Many science fiction movies, television series, and books were much enjoyed
by me. In most of these books and mo, people had spaceships that allowed
them to travel between different star systems, and on planets in these other
systems, intelligent creatures lived that somewhat looked like people, but
were different. We all know that reality is different from books. Physics
tells us that strange things happen when we travel with a speed, somewhat
close to the speed of light - and, if modern physics is correct, it is
impossible for humans to travel between star systems. If other creatures
live on other planets, then they have to face the same type of problems, so
it seems impossible for them to travel from their planets to ours. So, if
there are intelligent creatures living on planets in other star systems, it
seems, according to modern science, that we won't meet them.
But, are there planets with other living creatures in this universe? And if
so, are there intelligent creatures on other planets? Some people are
fascinated by the thought, and quite some effort is spent to try to see if
such creatures are there. For instance, there is the SETI at home project: a
project where one tries to see if in the some random noise coming from space
to earth, there is some pattern to be seen that comes from a civilization on
some other planet: SETI means: the search for extra-terrestial intelligence:
looking for intelligent beings not from this earth. One of the arguments for
the expeditions to the planet Mars that were given is that these may help to
search for life on Mars.
I do not understand why people make these types of efforts. If there is life
on other planets, how did it originate? I see three hypotheses:
1.. On the other planet, life started in the same way as the evolution
theory says that it started here. Apart from the fact that the evolution
theory is not the well-rounded and totally scientifically proven theory that
people want us to believe (I've written things elsewhere), in general,
followers of the theory tell that the chance of life starting on a planet is
rather small. A term used is sometimes: A magnificent accident. I believe
the probability is even smaller than they say, too small to assume that it
actually can have happened by accident, but even if you believe life on
earth was such a magnificent accident, the chances that this has happened
more than once are too small to assume that that can have happened.
2.. Life on different planets has a common origin. Say, some very
primitive form of life originated somewhere, and it then travels from there
also to some other planet, developping there to some intelligent form of
life too. There are quite a lot of questions to be asked to such a theory,
and, again, calculating the probabilities seems to make the theory unlikely.
3.. Life on earth has been created by God. Possibly, God also has created
life on other planets. If God has created life on earth, he may have created
life on other planets too. As far as I can tell, the Bible does not say
something about this, so this remains possible. If there are intelligent
beings on other planets, I would assume they would know God. Would they also
have a fall to sin, like the humans? Would we meet them in heaven? Would
there be atheists and religious extra-terrestials? We cannot know.
So, if there are extra-terrestial intelligent beings, or, even, other types
of life on planets outside our solar system, then to me, that would be a new
proof of the existence of God. But, I cannot understand atheists that
sincerely state they follow standard evolution theory and are at the same
moment on a search for intelligent life on other planets.
Finally, is there life on other planets in our solar system? Well, I guess,
yes: probably on Mars, there now will be bacteria brought to the planet from
earth by one of the Mars-expeditions that were recently carried out.
Hans Bodlaender, January 2004
http://people.cs.uu.nl/hansb/religion/lifeonotherplanets.html
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| User: "skddlbyp" |
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| Title: Re: Is there life on other planets? |
06 Aug 2007 05:31:38 PM |
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Finally, is there life on other planets in our solar system? Well, I
guess,
yes: probably on Mars, there now will be bacteria brought to the planet
from
earth by one of the Mars-expeditions that were recently carried out.
Charles Fort thought the planets are very close to the Earth, and that
the immense distances postulated for the sun and the stars - and even the
moon - are wrong. He doubted the accepted speed of light - sad to say, the
Poor Fool, he doubted Einstein, even before quantum theory.
Anyway, he discovered numerous reports of falls onto then Earth of life
forms that just might not have been the same species as those on Earth. If
the planets are close, perhaps species have somehow found their way from one
planet to another, and so maybe variations could develop. (Fort didn't say
this explicitly.) He speculated that there may also be a lot of land, and
water, between the planets, not necessarily in the form of asteroids.
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| User: "Docrodile" |
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| Title: Re: Is there life on other planets? |
07 Aug 2007 01:22:31 AM |
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"skddlbyp" <ghmvdj@fnp.aiu> wrote in message
news:13bf8a0l2golv91@corp.supernews.com...
Finally, is there life on other planets in our solar system? Well, I
guess,
yes: probably on Mars, there now will be bacteria brought to the planet
from
earth by one of the Mars-expeditions that were recently carried out.
Charles Fort thought the planets are very close to the Earth, and that
the immense distances postulated for the sun and the stars - and even
the
moon - are wrong. He doubted the accepted speed of light - sad to say,
the
Poor Fool, he doubted Einstein, even before quantum theory.
Anyway, he discovered numerous reports of falls onto then Earth of
life
forms that just might not have been the same species as those on Earth.
If
the planets are close, perhaps species have somehow found their way from
one
planet to another, and so maybe variations could develop. (Fort didn't
say
this explicitly.) He speculated that there may also be a lot of land,
and
water, between the planets, not necessarily in the form of asteroids.
Famed astronomer Percival Lowell believed Mars had an elaborate network of
intelligently-designed water canals, that Mars was either inhabited by an
intelligent species, or had once been.
Charles Fort believed a number of things that astrophysical science have
since disproven. In their day, decades ago, such theories held some sway
in certain quarters (while there was much skepticism coexisting, though),
but now are known to be erroneous speculation.
But, some of Fort's catalogued mysteries still perplex. There still are
unexplained phenomena.
And astronomers and astrophysicists still are exploring the universe,
looking for signs of intelligent life. None can rule out the mathematical
possibility that such life exists.
Our planetary system may have had intelligent life (other than Earth) at
some point, and no one can rule it out yet. Much exploration needs to be
done of Mars, Jupiter and Saturns' moons, etc. While remotely possible, it
seems more and more unlikely, though, as the evidence is gathered from
probes. Yet, there are some nagging mysteries, such as formations we've
found on Mars. Human exploration is probably necessary to help understand
what these 'anomalies' are.
Life could be in the form of elemental organisms, however, and that
possibility is more serviceable -- at this point, anyway.
Some of the tiny percentage of unexplained UFO reports over the millenia
might have actually been an alien visitation or manifestation. No one can
confidently rule out that possibility. No one that is open-minded. There
are perplexing pieces of evidence, much of it anecdotal, that indicate
some kind of higher intelligence, non-human, may have been here...or
possibly still is.
I think the argument that the vast distances between stars and their
planetary systems make the possibility that an alien intelligence found a
way to transverse such distances and had visited us highly unlikely has
essentially one fatal flaw. And that is, that we cannot know that a
greatly advanced technological intelligence didn't eventually find a way
to transverse such great distances with scientific knowledge (a
'breakthrough') we know nothing about in our physics or other sciences. It
is assumed by those who are skeptical about this possibility that human
beings know enough science at this point to make such a visit improbable.
Yet, no one can be sure we are missing knowledge at this point that'll be
discovered later...even if it is thousands of years later, or more.
Skeptics assume, too, that transversing such great distances is a purely
physical equation in a multi-dimensional reality we currently accept.
Might there be something discovered beyond our accepted reality later?
Well, if you have a truly open mind, and considering what could be a
relatively short period homo sapiens have been tinkering with science and
theorizing (compared to possible alien species millenia more advanced
technologically), then you are compelled to accept the possibility that we
don't know all there is to know, and someone 'out there' knows much more,
and has found answers to seeming impossibilities.
We do know there are unexplained phenomena in our physical world...UFOs
being one of them. Where there is a persistent percentage of something
unexplained, however small, an open-minded approach would be to consider
that some part of that percentage could represent a 'reality' formerly
thought highly unlikely or even impossible.
Doc :))~
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| User: "Werewolfy" |
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| Title: Re: Is there life on other planets? |
06 Aug 2007 08:31:29 AM |
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On Aug 6, 6:06?am, "mukyuk" <a...@b.com> wrote:
Hans Bodlaender, January 2004
http://people.cs.uu.nl/hansb/religion/lifeonotherplanets.html
Hans writes the usual posing of more questions without giving answers
Mondo. Bit like Steven!
Time isn't mentioned. This is a very large reason why alien contact is
unlikely. Not only must we, or they, be able to master impossible
distances, but we must also co-exist at the same time. Given the age
of the Universe, then look at our own mere 6 million years, reduce
that to the last hundred years when we thought of such things, and
contact becomes...well, becomes unlikely.
Life starting spontaneously is not a freak accident as the writer
suggests. It's simple Chemistry and, given the ingredients, must
occur.
I suppose God had to 'die' on every planet that supported life
intelligent enough to need to invent Him. Not much fun really, one
would think a 'God' had better things to do, things like, oh I don't
know, keeping the Universe in balance or something!
Stevie doesn't have anything 'better to do' though.
Werewolfy
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