Believe it, in a few years you all will be good muslims !
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16 Oct 2003 06:10:47 PM |
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(Osama Bin Laden junior) wrote in message news:<da636dc.0310160951.46187b76@posting.google.com>...
Believe it, in a few years you all will be good muslims !
And a few more, residents in a death camp!
LB
Holy war can be most unholy of all. Whether it be waged by Islamic
fundamentalists in the Middle East or Christian fundamentalists in
America.
Messianic Legacy 1986
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17 Oct 2003 01:17:28 AM |
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LB
Holy war can be most unholy of all. Whether it be waged by Islamic
fundamentalists in the Middle East or Christian fundamentalists in
America.
Quite true. The King of the East is portrayed as an enemy of
religion, but not really religion itself as much as sectarianism. He
is foe to both Christian and Muslim armies of force. Furthermore he
seeks to free people who have voluntarily enslaved themselves with
self-made blinders.
Signs of the Eastern King of France:
BIRTH:
On a Thursday
At night
During a cold winter
Day celebrated as holiday
Rising sign is one of the three water signs
Humble birth and obscure lineage
Signs in the sky
Birth in the eastern quarters of Asia "beyond Tartary" or "in the
quarters of Hind or Cina"
NAME:
Known by three names
Name given by three sisters after birth is "savage"
Surname is foreign to the French
Middle name means "ocean"
IMPORTANT DATES:
1999 -- 'Resuscitated' by 'King of Terror'
2003 -- He rises to power making clear N's prophecies
CHARACTERISTICS
A prophet
Very knowledgeable
Good speaker capable of both "ornate" and "wrathful" words
Handsome
In 30s or 40s when he ascends
Widely traveled
Served as a soldier
Of dusky hue (to a European)
Attentive to foreign women
ACTIONS
Reconstructs ancient blood line
Resurrects royal heritage
Takes that which was pledged to his ancestors, including claims to
thrones
Uses special ensignia
Causes wealth to be distributed
Delivers a great people from impositions
Frees people from voluntary slavery
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18 Oct 2003 04:22:35 AM |
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(loftydragon) wrote in message news:<13db0072.0310162217.2551fd24@posting.google.com>...
leigh8bee@optusnet.com.au (Leigh_Bee) wrote in message news:<39cd5fe.0310161510.65ac0568@posting.google.com>...
LB
Holy war can be most unholy of all. Whether it be waged by Islamic
fundamentalists in the Middle East or Christian fundamentalists in
America.
Quite true. The King of the East is portrayed as an enemy of
religion, but not really religion itself as much as sectarianism. He
is foe to both Christian and Muslim armies of force. Furthermore he
seeks to free people who have voluntarily enslaved themselves with
self-made blinders.
Where does it say that?
LB
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18 Oct 2003 11:13:31 AM |
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(Leigh_Bee) wrote in message news:<39cd5fe.0310180122.55100d5e@posting.google.com>...
loftydragon@hotmail.com (loftydragon) wrote in message news:<13db0072.0310162217.2551fd24@posting.google.com>...
(Leigh_Bee) wrote in message news:<39cd5fe.0310161510.65ac0568@posting.google.com>...
LB
Holy war can be most unholy of all. Whether it be waged by Islamic
fundamentalists in the Middle East or Christian fundamentalists in
America.
Quite true. The King of the East is portrayed as an enemy of
religion, but not really religion itself as much as sectarianism. He
is foe to both Christian and Muslim armies of force. Furthermore he
seeks to free people who have voluntarily enslaved themselves with
self-made blinders.
Where does it say that?
"... born of a branch long sterile one who will deliver the people of
the world from this benevolent slavery to which they had voluntary
submitted. He will put himself under the protection of Mars, stripping
Jupiter of all his honors and dignities, and establish himself in the
free city in another scant Mesopotamia."
I know you interpret this as Mushy freeing the world from debt
slavery. My humble view is that the benevolent slavery is that which
pretends to one's only possible way to heaven.
The branch long sterile indicates the "Hidden Warrior" whose lineage
is obscured.
C5:Q41
Born in the shadows and during a dark day,
He will be sovereign in realm and goodness:
He will cause his blood to rise again in the ancient urn,
Renewing the age of gold for that of brass.
"And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his
hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath
he hid me."
Isaiah 49:2
The saying "White flower, hidden bud" refers
to the sage king who remains out of view until
the accepted time. Only the paranormal adepts
are able to identify the hidden one of humble
background.
He will possess certain ensignia known by the
Javanese as pusaka that will aid in his
identification.
C8:Q61
Never by the revelation of daylight
will he attain the mark of the sceptre bearer.
Until all his sieges are at rest,
bringing to the ***** the gift of the armed legion.
C7:Q23
The Royal sceptre will be forced to take
that which his predecessors had pledged.
Because they will pretend not to know about the ring
when they come to sack the palace.
C2:Q73
The shore of Lake Garda to Lake Fucino,
Taken from the Lake of Geneva to the port of 'l'Orgion':
Born with three arms the predicted warlike image,
Through three crowns to the great Endymion.
When he is an adult the revelation will be made.
C8:Q57
From simple soldier he will attain to Empire,
from the short robe he will grow into the long.
Brave in arms, much worse towards the Church,
he vexes the priests as water fills a sponge.
C3:Q91
The tree which had long been dead and withered,
In one night it will come to grow green again:
The Cronian King sick, Prince with club foot,
Feared by his enemies he will make his sail bound.
Like Saturn and Cronus he ushers in the Golden Age,
but before that time Mars must reign for a short
period during a time of tribulation.
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18 Oct 2003 11:15:22 AM |
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On 18 Oct 2003 02:22:35 -0700, (Leigh_Bee)
either wrote or (if so marked) quoted:
The King of the East is portrayed as an enemy of
religion, but not really religion itself as much as sectarianism. He
is foe to both Christian and Muslim armies of force. Furthermore he
seeks to free people who have voluntarily enslaved themselves with
self-made blinders.
Where does it say that?
In any verse that he can twist to make it say so, presumably. :(
"I am holding the prophecies hostage and torturing them until they say
what I want them to say."
--
D Luzhenzov Granjur
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17 Oct 2003 05:43:37 AM |
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Having skipped an E.L.F. meeting to be here,
(loftydragon) scribbled:
Quite true. The King of the East is portrayed as an enemy of
religion, but not really religion itself as much as sectarianism.
Except for the small fact that Nostradamus DID NOT write about such a person.
You're as ridiculous as MacDonald.
To reply by email, remove the XYZ.
Lumber Cartel (tinlc) #2063. Spam this account at your own risk.
It's your SIG, say what you want to say....
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16 Oct 2003 05:39:32 PM |
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(Osama Bin Laden junior) wrote in message news:<da636dc.0310160951.46187b76@posting.google.com>...
Believe it, in a few years you all will be good muslims !
I just shat out this awesome looking tapeworm. I keep it in a jar on
my window sill and look at it for inspiration.
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17 Oct 2003 04:17:36 PM |
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(Osama Bin Laden junior) wrote in message news:<da636dc.0310160951.46187b76@posting.google.com>...
Believe it, in a few years you all will be good muslims !
Really mediocre attempt at trolling...I give it...two stars...
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18 Oct 2003 03:10:59 AM |
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On 17 Oct 2003 14:17:36 -0700, (Anon Ymous)
either wrote or (if so marked) quoted:
omar_lasolt@yahoo.com (Osama Bin Laden junior) wrote in message news:<da636dc.0310160951.46187b76@posting.google.com>...
Believe it, in a few years you all will be good muslims !
Really mediocre attempt at trolling...I give it...two stars...
No, no, a crescent moon, surely?! ;)
--
Peter
http://www.nostradamus500.com
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16 Oct 2003 04:10:37 PM |
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(Osama Bin Laden junior) wrote in message news:<da636dc.0310160951.46187b76@posting.google.com>...
Believe it, in a few years you all will be good muslims !
Well Heck, I didn't know that muslims even celebrated Christmas.
At least now we know who to send all of that fruit cake to...
Sonya
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16 Oct 2003 04:08:38 PM |
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(Osama Bin Laden junior) wrote in message news:<da636dc.0310160951.46187b76@posting.google.com>...
Believe it, in a few years you all will be good muslims !
eh, I didn't know that muslims even celebrated Christmas.
Well Heck, now we know who to send all of that fruit cake to...
Sonya
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19 Oct 2003 06:16:04 PM |
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"sonya" <tandym@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7bf6888e.0310161308.3b9a1fb0@posting.google.com...
omar_lasolt@yahoo.com (Osama Bin Laden junior) wrote in message
news:<da636dc.0310160951.46187b76@posting.google.com>...
Believe it, in a few years you all will be good muslims !
eh, I didn't know that muslims even celebrated Christmas.
Well Heck, now we know who to send all of that fruit cake to...
They don't. But they can have the fruitcake anyways ... it sucks.
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16 Oct 2003 10:06:44 PM |
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Jesus said that he was the Last Prophet~
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~Mohammed the Writer~to what end?
623 AD
=A0=A0~what was his life like and to what end his writing...............
~Jai Maharaj writes on this topic:
Prophet of Terror and the Religion of Peace--Part I Mohammed, Prophet of
Islam is known as the "Apostle of Peace" by Muslims. Nothing can be
further from the truth. This article is just one of a series that I will
be publishing regarding sadistic cruel nature of Prophet Mohammed. In
this article I will prove once again, that Mohammed was in fact a
terrorist, criminal and murderer whose entire life was based on
victimizing innocents and indulging in mindless violence, carnage and
massacre. He was a man who destroyed peace wherever he went, and in its
place brought terror, carnage and death.
When Mohammed first started screaming from the rooftops that he alone
had the divine word of God, the people of Mecca ignored him. However,
when he started insulting and defaming the religion of the peace loving
Meccans, they couldn't take it anymore and tried persuading him to stop.
Mohammed the coward was too scared of the growing hostility against him
and instead of calling upon his Allah to strike down the Meccans, he
crept out one night and fled for his life. Ever since that incident,
Mohammed was determined to take revenge on the Meccans. He escaped to
Medinah, which had a sizeable Jewish population, and started plotting
his revenge with a small gang of criminals. This was the beginning of
Mohammed's trail of violence, hatred and bloodshed that would soon
destroy the once flourishing culture of Arabia. The story has been
documented in detail by his biographers, - surprise raids on trade
caravans and tribal settlements, the use of plunder thus obtained for
recruiting an ever growing army of greedy desperados, assassinations of
opponents, blackmail, expulsion and massacre of the Jews of Medinah,
attack and enslavement of the Jews of Khayber, rape of women and
children, sale of these victims after rape, trickery, treachery and
bribery employed to their fullest extent to grow the numbers of his
religion Islam which ironically was supposed to mean "Peace"! He
organised no less than 86 expeditions, 26 of which he led himself. The
motives of the converts to Islam was never in any doubt. As D.S.
Margoliouth states in his book Muhammad and the rise of Islam "Of any
moralising or demoralising effect that Muhammad's teaching had upon his
followers we cannot say with precision. When he was at the head of the
Robber community, it is probable that the demoralising influence began
to be felt; it was then that men who had never broken an oath learnt
that they might evade their obligations, and that men to whom the blood
of their clan had been as their own, began to shed it with impunity in
the "cause of god". And that lying and treachery in the cause of Islam
received divine approval. It was then too that Moslems became
distinguished by the obscenity of their language. It was then too, that
the coveting of goods and wives possessed by Non-muslims was avowed
without discouragement from the Prophet...." The details of all his
criminal onslaughts in the form of battles and assasinations are
chronicled in this article in a chronological manner. One should note
that everytime the "Apostle of Peace" committed one of his criminal
onslaughts, he always justified the crimes by quickly claiming a "divine
revelation" which conveniently removed the blame from his bloodied
hands. These convenient Suras are detailed immediately below the
description of the incident.
1) Massacre of unarmed merchants during sacred month Date: Late
January(Rejeb), 623 A.D. Place: Nakhla Victims: 4 Merchants from Quraysh
tribe of Mecca, the Tribe to which Mohammed himself belonged Four
UNARMED merchants were travelling to Mecca to sell their goods
consisting of raisins, honey and animal skins. It was the holy month of
Rejeb which was considered sacred for trade in Arabia. It was a point of
honor that any form of warfare or violence was strictly forbidden in
this month. Mohammed's gang attacked the helpless men from behind and
stabbed two of them to death. They plundered all the goods as booty and
Mohammed got one fifths of the share.
This shows the utter lack of morals or scruples on Mohammed's part. The
Prophet of Islam did not possess a shred of pity or kindness, or the
slightest sense of justice. He cold-bloodedly murdered two innocent
people who had never done him any harm and did not even know him! All
this was done in a month that the Prophet himself declared was a sacred
month in which no warfare should take place. Mohammed was obviously
motivated by nothing but hatred and greed.
Conveniently divine revelations came down from Allah that absolved him
of all the guilt.
Koran 2:216
"Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may
happen that you hate a thing which is good for you and it may happen
that you love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, you knew
not."
Here Mohammed is completely removing all blame from himself, for having
started the fighting. The most insidious and devilish implication of
this verse is that Allah is completely justifying Mohammed's murder of
the innocent Meccans. Over and above this Mohammed is conveniently
implying that warfare is hateful to him, but he participated in it
because it was ordained by Allah! What sacrifices the "Apostle of Peace"
had to make!
Koran 2:217
"They question you (O Mohammed) with regard to warfare in the sacred
month. Say: Warfare therein is a great transgression but to turn men
from the way of Allah and to disbelive in Him and the inviolable place
of worship and to expel its people thence is a greater transgression,
for persecution is worse than killing"
Here Allah is clearly saying that to kill or create warfare in the
sacred month of Rejeb is a very grave offence, but to justify his own
violation of Allah's rules, Mohammed comes up with the idea that since
the people killed were unbelievers, it was perfectly okay! The reason
given for the horrific murder of the innocent Meccans, is the fact that
they did not believe in Mohammed's version of God. How much more
tolerant and kind could the "Great Prophet" be!
2) Slaughter of Meccans who came to defend their caravans Date: March
(Ramadan) 17, 623 A.D Place: The well of Badr Victims: 70 merchants from
Quraysh Tribe of Mecca, The Quraysh army which came to defend them The
merchandise being carried by this caravan was worth more than 50,000
Gold Dinars. Mohammed ganged up all the criminals of Medina and set out
to raid the caravan with 300 men. The Meccans got word of the raid and
sent out an army to protect the caravan. Throughout the entire battle
Mohammad cowered in a hut which his men made for him. There he cried and
prayed with feverish anxiety. At one point he came out of the hut and
threw pebbles in the enemy's direction, screaming "Let evil look on your
faces!" and "By him who holds my soul in his hands, anyone who fights
for me today will go to paradise!" The Muslims killed over two hundred
and took seventy prisoners. All seventy of the prisoners were ransomed,
and any prisoner who did not fetch a ransom had his head chopped off.
Mohammed was gratified at the sight of his murdered victims. After the
battle, he sent his followers to look for the corpse of Abu Jahal, one
of the Meccans who had criticised him openly. When his corpse was
found,they cut off the head and threw it down at Mohammed's feet. The
"Apostle of peace" cried out in delirious joy, "Rejoice! Here lies the
head of the enemy of Allah! Praise Allah, for there is no other but he!"
The Prophet then ordered a great pit to be dug for the bodies of the
innocents to be dumped. The Muslims then proceeded to hack the corpses
limbs into pieces. As the bloodied mass of bodies was being thrown into
the pit, a feverishly excited Mohammed shreiked, " O People of the Pit,
have you found that what Allah threatened is true now? For I have found
that what my Lord promised was true! Rejoice All Muslims!" One of the
prisoners taken was the defiant Al Nadr Ibn al Harith, who had earlier
taken Muhammad's challenge of telling better stories than him. Muhammad
ordered Ali to strike off Nadr's head in his presence, so he could watch
and exult in the pleasure of beheading the man who had insulted him.
Another prisoner Uqba ibn Abi Muait was decapitated in front of the
Prophet. Before being killed the prisoner cried out pitifully "O
Prophet, who will look after my children if I should die?" The "Great
Prophet of the Religion of Peace" coldly spat out "Hellfire", as the
blade came down and spattered his clothes with Uqba's blood. This time
Mohammed needed a revelation that would not only absolve him of all the
guilt for murdering so many innocent people, but also give him the
"divine" right to get a huge share of the plundered booty. Quite a few
revelations magically appeared after the battle of Badr. Koran 8:65 "O
Prophet exhort the believers to fight. If there be of you 20
steadfast,they will overcome 200 and if there be of you a 100, they
shall overcome a 1000, because the disbelievers are a folk without
intelligence"
This Sura clearly exposes Islam to be a religion that not only
encourages violence but actually makes it a sacred duty for Muslims to
kill anyone who does not believe in the Muslim version of religion. Not
only is the "All forgiving Allah" exhorting his followers to kill anyone
who is not Muslim, but he is also saying that all non-Muslims are so
stupid that they will be unable to defend themselves and therfore
deserve death!
Koran 8:67-68
"It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter
in the land. You desire the lure of this world and Allah desires for you
the hereafter and Allah is Mighty, Wise.. Now enjoy what you have won as
lawful and good and keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is forgiving,
merciful."
This verse is in reference to the prisoners that Mohammed held for
ransom after the battle. Allah the "Merciful" is saying that they should
all have been killed! In addition, Allah is conveniently commenting that
whatever loot Mohammed has plundered is "lawful and good" because it was
done in service to Allah. So murder, rape, plunder and destruction are
all perfectly fine with Allah as long as they are done in the name of
Islam! Mohammed is also insidiously making himself seem very kind for
having spared the lives of the prisoners, when in fact he only let them
live so he could get more money from the Ransom for them. In today's
world this is called "Terrorism" of the worst kind.
3) Assasination of poets who criticised Mohammed's murderous ways Date:
Late March-April, 623 A.D Place: Medinah Victims: Two of the most famous
poets of Medinah, who had the courage to criticise the murderous actions
of Mohammed and his gang After the battle of Badr, the people of Medinah
were horrified that they had given refuge to such a blatant criminal and
his followers in their city. Many began protesting the presence of such
violent and murderous people in their city. In a free society like
Pre-Islamic Arabia, the poets acted as society's conscience and were
free to criticise, satirize and examine the actions of people. The two
most famous poets of this kind were Abu 'Afak; an extremely old and
respected poet and Asma bint Marwan; a young mother with the gift of
superb verse. Muhammad was enraged at their criticism. When he heard the
verses composed by Asma Bint Marwan he was infuriated and screamed
aloud, "Will no one rid me of this daughter of Marwan!" That very night
a gang of Muslims set out to do the dirty deed. They broke into the
poets' house. She was lying in in her bedroom suckling her newborn
child, while her other small children slept nearby. The Muslims tore the
newborn infant off her breast and hacked it to pieces before her very
eyes. They then made her watch the murder of all four of her children,
before raping and then stabbing her repeatedly to death. After the
murder when the Muslims went to inform the Prophet, he said "You have
done a service to Allah and his Messenger, her life was not worth even
two goats!" A month later the distinguished and highly respected Abu
Afak, who was over a hundred years old and reknowned for his sense of
fairness, was killed brutally in the same manner as he slept. Once again
the Prophet had commented that morning "Who will avenge me on this
scoundrel!" This shows us exactly how much the tolerant and peace loving
Prophet respected life. Muslims claim that Mohammed was extremely gentle
and loved children. Indeed the horrifying way he had Asma Bint Marwan's
five infants slaughtered certainly attests to this "loving" side of the
Prophet.
4) The Siege of the Banu Qaynuqa
Date: April, 623 A.D
Place: Medinah
Victims: The Jewish Tribe of Banu Qaynuqa
In order to get full control of Medinah, Mohammed needed to get rid of
all his opponents. The strongest of these opponents was Abdallah Ibn
Ubayy, a powerful chief who was allied with the Jewish Tribe of Banu
Qaynuqa. This tribe was also the weakest, because they were made up of
craftsmen, in particular goldsmiths. By attacking them, Mohammed knew he
could plunder a huge amount of wealth and weaken Ibn Ubayy. Mohammed
needed an excuse to attack them so he made a girl married to one of his
followers, pretend that she had been teased by the Jews. The Muslims
blockaded the fort of the Banu Qaynuqa for fifteen days until the
starving Jews surrendered. Immediately, the Prophet was ready to kill
them all, but Ibn Ubayy seized hold of Mohammed and protested.
Mohammed's face became black with rage as he shouted "Let go of me", but
Ibn Ubayy was adamant and shouted back "No, by God, I will not let you
go until you deal kindly with my allies. 400 men without armour and 300
with, who have always supported me against enemies. And you want to slay
them all in one morning! By God, If I were in your place I would fear a
reversal of fortune"
At this threat, the cowardly Mohammed turned pale, as he realised that
all the people of Medinah were against him. He hit Ibn Ubayy on the face
and ordered that the Jews be kicked out of their own homes. All their
property was seized and looted, many of the prettiest women were taken
as prisoners to become sex-slaves. Mohammed kept one-fifths of the
enormous booty for himself. This is the way he repayed the kindness of
the Jews of Medina, who had given him shelter and a refuge, when
Mohammed had run away from Mecca in fear.
The revelations in the Eighth Sura of the Koran were clearly in
reference to the Banu Qaynuqa and anyone who opposed the Muslims. (Koran
8:55-57)
"Lo, the worst of beasts in Allah's sight are the ungrateful who will
not believe."
"Those of them with whom you made a treaty and then at every opportunity
they break their treaty and they keep not duty to Allah, If you come on
them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are
behind them, so that they may remember."
Here Mohammed's acts of planned terrorism against the Jewish Tribe is
justified by Allah, because according to the "Merciful" Allah,
Non-Muslims are the worst of BEASTS! So it is perfectly all right to
murder, rape, torture and pillage the non-believers! Not only that but
Allah is advising Mohammed and the Muslims that when anyone protests
against the injustices committed by Muslims, the Muslims should make
sure and deal with them with such violence, that it will strike fear
among anyone who may think of supporting dissent. This proves that the
Koran is nothing but a political manual for controlling people with
terror. Not even the fascist armies of Hitler engineered such devilish
ideas.
The above are just a few of the incidents that demonstrate the
intolerant and merciless nature of the inhuman acts committed by
Mohammed and the Muslims. Further articles in this series will reveal
more of Prophet Mohammed's heinous, sadistic and cruel crimes against
humanity.
Note: Works of Abdullah Yusuf Ali, Muhammed Marmaduke Pickthall,
Rodinson, Martin Lings have been used in this article. Back To Main Page
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18 Oct 2003 08:05:09 PM |
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Facts on terrorist writings of Mohammed.....no love poem~
Facts on terrorist Islam and Muslims
Group: alt.fan.jai-maharaj Date: Mon, Oct 6,
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Facts about terrorist Islam and Muslims
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate Hindu Holocaust Museum
http://www.mantra.com/holocaust
Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
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17 Oct 2003 02:16:21 PM |
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<jnn7@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:6974-3F8F5CC4-145@storefull-2172.public.lawson.webtv.net...
Jesus said that he was the Last Prophet~
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If what you say is so, then that means ol'
Nosty didn't have prophetic abilities after
all... then again, Jesus never called himself
a prophet. Perhaps you just imagined that...
Sid
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| Title: Re: Islam will ule the world! Mohammed the FalseProphet~Writer...623 |
21 Oct 2003 06:00:52 PM |
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"Sid See" <sidsee@nospam.cox.net> wrote in message news:<6iXjb.68$5c2.64@okepread03>...
<jnn7@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Jesus said that he was the Last Prophet~
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If what you say is so, then that means ol'
Nosty didn't have prophetic abilities after
all... then again, Jesus never called himself
a prophet. Perhaps you just imagined that...
Sid
Sid his problem is that he does not know history very well. It was not
Jesus who said that about being the last Prophet - it was all who were
connected to the Church. This idea was promoted by the medieval Popes
as defiance against the (Claimed) Newly Last Prophet Mohammad.
I'm afraid that this guy you are arguing with does not know much of
anything factual about history (He gets his stuff from others that he
thinks proves his point without investigating the facts).
For example, he thinks that Francis I was resuscitated back to health
(X. 72.) in 1525 when in fact, Francis had a history of near death
illnesses his whole life – he was resuscitated back to health at least
six times. Another example, he told the group that Nostradamus didn't
know that America existed. That is hard to grasp as the New World was
known by the beginning of the 16th Century. In addition, his own
king's father had colonial explorations to north-eastern America when
Nostradamus was a teenager.
There is numerous examples that of these falsifications of his. I'm
beginning to believe he has a learning disability, because after 30
years, all he can do is copy down others works (including
Nostrasdamus) and draw up some spurious history events to rationalize
his imaginations. That's pathetic…
Perhaps he just imagines what he thinks is history.
Anyway, the only problem here is that he promotes these false
histories here daily and does not respond to people who catch his
fabrications of facts; And others who he responds that show vitriolic
bad mouth to posters who want to discuss Nostradamus makes him look
bad to anyone who really reads what going on in here.
Yet that is his choice and I'm all for freedom of expression. It
really seems that the ones who cannot form rational thoughts or know
their history are the ones who join in his defense. i.e. the
uneducated.
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| User: "Peter Lemesurier" |
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| Title: Re: Islam will ule the world! Mohammed the FalseProphet~Writer...623 |
18 Oct 2003 03:11:00 AM |
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On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 12:16:21 -0700, "Sid See" <sidsee@nospam.cox.net>
either wrote or (if so marked) quoted:
<jnn7@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:6974-3F8F5CC4-145@storefull-2172.public.lawson.webtv.net...
Jesus said that he was the Last Prophet~
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If what you say is so, then that means ol'
Nosty didn't have prophetic abilities after
all... then again, Jesus never called himself
a prophet.
But then neither did Nosty. In fact he specifically denied it in print
on at least four occasions...
Still we can't possibly believe what HE said around here, can we?! ;)
--
Peter
http://www.nostradamus500.com
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| User: "Sid See" |
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| Title: Re: Islam will ule the world! Mohammed the FalseProphet~Writer...623 |
18 Oct 2003 12:50:35 PM |
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Peter Lemesurier <lemesur@bengalwipeyethisoutvillas.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 12:16:21 -0700, "Sid See" <sidsee@nospam.cox.net>
either wrote or (if so marked) quoted:
<jnn7@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:6974-3F8F5CC4-145@storefull-2172.public.lawson.webtv.net...
Jesus said that he was the Last Prophet~
~
If what you say is so, then that means ol'
Nosty didn't have prophetic abilities after
all... then again, Jesus never called himself
a prophet.
But then neither did Nosty. In fact he specifically denied it in print
on at least four occasions...
Yes... though a "Nosty" religion was not founded...
Still we can't possibly believe what HE said around here, can we?! ;)
If only we knew what he REALLY said... <sigh>
Sid
--
Peter
http://www.nostradamus500.com
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| User: "Peter Lemesurier" |
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| Title: Re: Islam will ule the world! Mohammed the FalseProphet~Writer...623 |
19 Oct 2003 03:21:27 AM |
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On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 10:50:35 -0700, "Sid See" <sidsee@nospam.cox.net>
either wrote or (if so marked) quoted:
If only we knew what he REALLY said... <sigh>
Well, we do have three of the original printed editions, together
with an original manuscript. See...
http://run.to/nostradamus (facsimiles of original editions)
http://www.propheties.it (huge amounts of information, facsimiles
etc.)
--
Peter
http://www.nostradamus500.com
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| User: "Sid See" |
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| Title: Re: Islam will ule the world! Mohammed the FalseProphet~Writer...623 |
19 Oct 2003 11:33:39 AM |
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Peter Lemesurier <lemesur@bengalwipeyethisoutvillas.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 10:50:35 -0700, "Sid See" <sidsee@nospam.cox.net>
either wrote or (if so marked) quoted:
If only we knew what he REALLY said... <sigh>
Well, we do have three of the original printed editions, together
with an original manuscript. See...
Indeed... but it seems Nosty went to great
lengths to disguise his meanings, ensuring
no one would understand precisely what
he was saying, until after the fact...
Sid
http://run.to/nostradamus (facsimiles of original editions)
http://www.propheties.it (huge amounts of information, facsimiles
etc.)
--
Peter
http://www.nostradamus500.com
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| User: "Peter Lemesurier" |
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| Title: Re: Islam will ule the world! Mohammed the FalseProphet~Writer...623 |
20 Oct 2003 03:02:54 AM |
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On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 09:33:39 -0700, "Sid See" <sidsee@nospam.cox.net>
either wrote or (if so marked) quoted:
Indeed... but it seems Nosty went to great
lengths to disguise his meanings, ensuring
no one would understand precisely what
he was saying, until after the fact...
That statement is in fact very difficult to justify. The only people
who don't in general understand what he was saying are those who don't
understand the French he was using, and the only people who think he
went to great lengths to disguise his meanings are -- with one or two
manic exceptions -- ones who, lacking any training in the subject,
have no idea what his French actually says in its 'undisguised' form.
That's not Nostradamus's fault: it's theirs!
--
Peter
http://www.nostradamus500.com
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| User: "Sid See" |
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| Title: Re: Islam will ule the world! Mohammed the FalseProphet~Writer...623 |
20 Oct 2003 04:01:25 PM |
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Peter Lemesurier <lemesur@bengaldeleteyethisvillas.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 09:33:39 -0700, "Sid See" <sidsee@nospam.cox.net>
either wrote or (if so marked) quoted:
Indeed... but it seems Nosty went to great
lengths to disguise his meanings, ensuring
no one would understand precisely what
he was saying, until after the fact...
That statement is in fact very difficult to justify. The only people
who don't in general understand what he was saying are those who don't
understand the French he was using, and the only people who think he
went to great lengths to disguise his meanings are -- with one or two
manic exceptions -- ones who, lacking any training in the subject,
have no idea what his French actually says in its 'undisguised' form.
That's not Nostradamus's fault: it's theirs!
That statement is in fact very difficult
to justify as well... not to mention self
aggrandizing.
It seems you have become so
comfortable with the words, you
seemingly resist the deep thinking
required to grasp their real meaning.
In your self-appointed superiority,
you choose to denounce any who
suggest that there are riddles. What
good is there in that?
Sid
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| User: "Peter Lemesurier" |
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| Title: Re: Islam will ule the world! Mohammed the FalseProphet~Writer...623 |
21 Oct 2003 03:13:53 AM |
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On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:01:25 -0700, "Sid See" <sidsee@nospam.cox.net>
either wrote or (if so marked) quoted:
Peter Lemesurier <lemesur@bengaldeleteyethisvillas.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:8e57pv4deqnin3aq8l95bfr3apqiapmbqe@4ax.com...
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 09:33:39 -0700, "Sid See" <sidsee@nospam.cox.net>
either wrote or (if so marked) quoted:
Indeed... but it seems Nosty went to great
lengths to disguise his meanings, ensuring
no one would understand precisely what
he was saying, until after the fact...
That statement is in fact very difficult to justify. The only people
who don't in general understand what he was saying are those who don't
understand the French he was using, and the only people who think he
went to great lengths to disguise his meanings are -- with one or two
manic exceptions -- ones who, lacking any training in the subject,
have no idea what his French actually says in its 'undisguised' form.
That's not Nostradamus's fault: it's theirs!
That statement is in fact very difficult
to justify as well... not to mention self
aggrandizing.
It seems you have become so
comfortable with the words, you
seemingly resist the deep thinking
required to grasp their real meaning.
All that is in fact needed to grasp their real meaning is a secure
grasp of the language, thorough knowledge of 16th-century French and a
wide-ranging study of ALL Nostradamus's available texts in the context
of his times.
Anybody rational who has all of those will know perfectly well that,
in most cases, no particularly deep thinking is required to grasp
their real meaning. Anybody who hasn't will naturally tend to think
there's something 'mysterious' or 'encoded' about them.
In your self-appointed superiority,
you choose to denounce any who
suggest that there are riddles. What
good is there in that?
I don't claim to be superior -- merely to have studied the facts. If
that makes you feel inferior, perhaps you should ask yourself why?
--
Peter
http://www.nostradamus500.com
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| User: "Claude Latremouille" |
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| Title: Worth framing? |
21 Oct 2003 05:03:30 PM |
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:13:53 +0100, Peter Lemesurier
<lemesur@bengal.demon.co.uk> quoted himself yet again:
*
The only people
who don't in general understand what he was saying are those who don't
understand the French he was using, and the only people who think he
went to great lengths to disguise his meanings are -- with one or two
manic exceptions -- ones who, lacking any training in the subject,
have no idea what his French actually says in its 'undisguised' form.
That's not Nostradamus's fault: it's theirs!
*
[...]
*
All that is in fact needed to grasp their real meaning is a secure
grasp of the language, thorough knowledge of 16th-century French and a
wide-ranging study of ALL Nostradamus's available texts in the context
of his times.
Anybody rational who has all of those will know perfectly well that,
in most cases, no particularly deep thinking is required to grasp
their real meaning. Anybody who hasn't will naturally tend to think
there's something 'mysterious' or 'encoded' about them.
*
[...]
*
I don't claim to be superior -- merely to have studied the facts. If
that makes you feel inferior, perhaps you should ask yourself why?
--
Peter
*
Happy 500th, Nosty!
*
Claude Latrémouille
*
=== ===
=== CLAUDE LATRÉMOUILLE ===
===========================
--
*** ** ***
C L A U D E L A T R E M O U I L L E
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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| User: "Sid See" |
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| Title: Re: Islam will ule the world! Mohammed the FalseProphet~Writer...623 |
21 Oct 2003 12:52:32 PM |
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Peter Lemesurier <lemesur@bengaldeleteyethisvillas.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:01:25 -0700, "Sid See" <sidsee@nospam.cox.net>
either wrote or (if so marked) quoted:
Peter Lemesurier <lemesur@bengaldeleteyethisvillas.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:8e57pv4deqnin3aq8l95bfr3apqiapmbqe@4ax.com...
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 09:33:39 -0700, "Sid See" <sidsee@nospam.cox.net>
either wrote or (if so marked) quoted:
Indeed... but it seems Nosty went to great
lengths to disguise his meanings, ensuring
no one would understand precisely what
he was saying, until after the fact...
That statement is in fact very difficult to justify. The only people
who don't in general understand what he was saying are those who don't
understand the French he was using, and the only people who think he
went to great lengths to disguise his meanings are -- with one or two
manic exceptions -- ones who, lacking any training in the subject,
have no idea what his French actually says in its 'undisguised' form.
That's not Nostradamus's fault: it's theirs!
That statement is in fact very difficult
to justify as well... not to mention self
aggrandizing.
It seems you have become so
comfortable with the words, you
seemingly resist the deep thinking
required to grasp their real meaning.
All that is in fact needed to grasp their real meaning is a secure
grasp of the language, thorough knowledge of 16th-century French and a
wide-ranging study of ALL Nostradamus's available texts in the context
of his times.
Yes, these attributes are necessary
indeed, but I disagree that these are
all that's required.
Your position is like saying; all that
an aeroplane needs to fly are wings,
ailerons, rudder, elevator, fuselage,
and an engine... yet without a pilot,
any flight would result in inevetible
failure.
Similarly, by denying the requirement
of depth of thought, you limit your
potential to accomplish your goals.
Anybody rational who has all of those will know perfectly well that,
in most cases, no particularly deep thinking is required to grasp
their real meaning. Anybody who hasn't will naturally tend to think
there's something 'mysterious' or 'encoded' about them.
Anybody rational would recognize
this as simply your opinion...
Intellectual pomposity serves only
to rob one of the opportunity to
accomplish something of real
substance. Closed-mindedness,
bias, and preconceptions are the
largest obstacles towards any
type of new discovery.
So, let's just agree to disagree
here, and let it go at that... :)
Sid
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| User: "Peter Lemesurier" |
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22 Oct 2003 03:15:35 AM |
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:52:32 -0700, "Sid See" <sidsee@nospam.cox.net>
either wrote or (if so marked) quoted:
Anybody rational who has all of those will know perfectly well that,
in most cases, no particularly deep thinking is required to grasp
their real meaning. Anybody who hasn't will naturally tend to think
there's something 'mysterious' or 'encoded' about them.
Anybody rational would recognize
this as simply your opinion...
Intellectual pomposity serves only
to rob one of the opportunity to
accomplish something of real
substance. Closed-mindedness,
bias, and preconceptions are the
largest obstacles towards any
type of new discovery.
.... preconceptions particularly, especially when based on limited
factual knowledge and a great deal of popular misinformation about
Nostradamus. This is no doubt why my own new discoveries that I share
with the Group are so often peremptorily dismissed by people around
here as if they were old ones. Which makes it rather surprising, I
suppose, that I bother to continue posting them at all...
So, let's just agree to disagree
here, and let it go at that... :)
Whatever you say, boss! ;)
--
Peter
http://www.nostradamus500.com
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| User: "Sid See" |
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| Title: Re: Islam will ule the world! Mohammed the FalseProphet~Writer...623 |
22 Oct 2003 05:52:18 PM |
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Peter Lemesurier <lemesur@bengaldeleteyethisvillas.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:rjecpv43tokkqq61mbjvp8o1719ic1176e@4ax.com...
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:52:32 -0700, "Sid See" <sidsee@nospam.cox.net>
either wrote or (if so marked) quoted:
Anybody rational who has all of those will know perfectly well that,
in most cases, no particularly deep thinking is required to grasp
their real meaning. Anybody who hasn't will naturally tend to think
there's something 'mysterious' or 'encoded' about them.
Anybody rational would recognize
this as simply your opinion...
Intellectual pomposity serves only
to rob one of the opportunity to
accomplish something of real
substance. Closed-mindedness,
bias, and preconceptions are the
largest obstacles towards any
type of new discovery.
... preconceptions particularly, especially when based on limited
factual knowledge and a great deal of popular misinformation about
Nostradamus.
No, no, no, Peter, that's not going
to work... I was referring to YOUR
preconceptions!
I mentioned this, as well as closed-
mindedness and bias, in an effort to
explain how they hinder the process
of discovery. Apparently, you're
unable to grasp the concept.
This is no doubt why my own new discoveries that I share
with the Group are so often peremptorily dismissed by people around
here as if they were old ones.
That comes as no surprise... the
intellectual dishonesty that you
have demonstrated in this thread,
appears to be your modus
operandi...
Which makes it rather surprising, I
suppose, that I bother to continue posting them at all...
Is someone at your computer,
holding a gun to your head -
forcing you to post that stuff?
I didn't think so...
Sid
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| User: "Peter Lemesurier" |
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| Title: Re: Islam will ule the world! Mohammed the FalseProphet~Writer...623 |
23 Oct 2003 03:46:18 AM |
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On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:52:18 -0700, "Sid See" <sidsee@nospam.cox.net>
either wrote or (if so marked) quoted:
Peter Lemesurier <lemesur@bengaldeleteyethisvillas.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:rjecpv43tokkqq61mbjvp8o1719ic1176e@4ax.com...
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:52:32 -0700, "Sid See" <sidsee@nospam.cox.net>
either wrote or (if so marked) quoted:
Anybody rational who has all of those will know perfectly well that,
in most cases, no particularly deep thinking is required to grasp
their real meaning. Anybody who hasn't will naturally tend to think
there's something 'mysterious' or 'encoded' about them.
Anybody rational would recognize
this as simply your opinion...
Intellectual pomposity serves only
to rob one of the opportunity to
accomplish something of real
substance. Closed-mindedness,
bias, and preconceptions are the
largest obstacles towards any
type of new discovery.
... preconceptions particularly, especially when based on limited
factual knowledge and a great deal of popular misinformation about
Nostradamus.
No, no, no, Peter, that's not going
to work... I was referring to YOUR
preconceptions!
I know you were. That's why I referred to the fact that you are
evidently unaware that you have plenty of your own (even though, to
judge by your last comment, you seem to be at least subliminally aware
of what they are). They're preconceptions because they are clearly not
ideas that you could possibly have got from a proper, informed,
wide-ranging study of Nostradamus himself in the light of the latest
evidence -- even though, of course, you are always welcome to use any
text whatever as a kind of 'crystal ball' in which to discover *your
own* insights.
Can't blame you for that -- but the thing to do now is obviously to...
undertake the study!
But will you?...
I mentioned this, as well as closed-
mindedness and bias, in an effort to
explain how they hinder the process
of discovery. Apparently, you're
unable to grasp the concept.
I know perfectly well what you mean. But possibly you haven't been
around long enough to know that I am constantly changing my views on
the subject, thanks to my open-mindedness to new evidence as it comes
in.
Are *you*?
In fact I used to believe in at least some of the same nonsense that
you apparently do -- until the facts came along that forced me to
change my mind. The difference is that I did ('intellectual honesty',
that's called, in case you were wondering!) -- but you will presumably
refuse to.
You may not realise it, but the discovery of new facts about
Nostradamus is one of the things that I'm criticised for most around
here -- mainly by people who find it disturbing, because (like you,
apparently) they need to continue to believe all the myths and Old
Wives' Tales about Nostradamus that have been circulating for
centuries, thanks largely to people's inability to distinguish (in
Arthur C Clarke's terms) between advanced technology and magic.
This is no doubt why my own new discoveries that I share
with the Group are so often peremptorily dismissed by people around
here as if they were old ones.
That comes as no surprise... the
intellectual dishonesty that you
have demonstrated in this thread,
appears to be your modus
operandi...
Dear me, we do have a passionate subjective commitment to the
irrational, don't we?! Once psychological projection of one's own
faults on to others cuts in, that's usually a pretty bad sign... :(
If you're going to continue insisting that Nostradamus's words have
deeper meanings than are apparent to any of the reputable scholars
(or, to use your own analogy, that the plane has a pilot who can make
it do what it was never designed for), then I'm afraid you're going to
have to demonstrate it in terms of those same words!
If you can't, then we shall all know how much importance to attach to
your views, shan't we?! :(
Which makes it rather surprising, I
suppose, that I bother to continue posting them at all...
Is someone at your computer,
holding a gun to your head -
forcing you to post that stuff?
I didn't think so...
Possibly his/her name is... Intellectual Honesty?
Dear me -- and there was I thinking that you wanted us simply to agree
to differ!
Take care, Sid See -- your true colours are starting to show! But then
that's a familiar old process, well enough known to everybody here...
;)
"Nostradamus means exactly what he says, except when he means what I
say he means."
--
X E Gite-Prétendu
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| User: "Sid See" |
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23 Oct 2003 12:27:36 PM |
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Peter Lemesurier <lemesur@bengaldeleteyethisvillas.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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[...]
If you're going to continue insisting that Nostradamus's words have
deeper meanings than are apparent to any of the reputable scholars
(or, to use your own analogy, that the plane has a pilot who can make
it do what it was never designed for), then I'm afraid you're going to
have to demonstrate it in terms of those same words!
I can demonstrate:
that you cannot even comprehend
what is written in your own native
language; English.
This is what I said in response to
your argument supporting the
position that no 'depth of thought'
was required to understand Nosty;
< "Your position is like saying; all that
< an aeroplane needs to fly are wings,
< ailerons, rudder, elevator, fuselage,
< and an engine... yet without a pilot,
< any flight would result in inevitable
< failure."
I made no inference whatsoever of
an aeroplane doing, as you say,
"what it was never designed for".
In my mind, this clearly illustrates
that you lack the 'depth of thought'
to comprehend even a simple
analogy...
I rest my case...
Dear me -- and there was I thinking that you wanted us simply to agree
to differ!
Dear you - perhaps you should have
considered that before you inferred I
was a fool in that other thread...
BTW, I though you had plonked me...
Sid
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22 Oct 2003 03:30:55 PM |
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~Suppose the word Prophet has many uses~
did not mean to start a Jesus vs. Nostradamus
discussion......no one would suppose that~
I'm sure Nostradamus woud not approve of that~
I am interested in the prophecies of Nostradamus...like in the film
version documentary by Orson Welles .....but not in the same way ...
When Jesus spoke of the false prophets that were to come who were
ravening wolves disguised as sheep as in Matthew who would
deceive.........he did not mean Nostradamus......sometimes it hurts me
to make others mad when I don't mean to....
I don't care that Mohammed was a playboy and gigolo~that is very
human~.......such is how writers are made......
~
jn.
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