It's sad to see, but Hizbollah is using these civilians as human
shields. I know you know this already, but I just have to make this
clear one more time, in case you forget. It's like some kind of win win
situation for the terrorists; 1) using civilians as shields might stop
an enemy from bombing, or 2) the enemy attacks anyway and the whole
world will go nuts when civilians become victims.
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30 Jul 2006 08:41:24 AM |
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It's sad to see that whenever Israel kills civilians, which it does at
a 10-1 ratio, that it's never on purpose, and always the other sides'
fault. Using civilians as shields, eh? Well they don't seem to be
very good shields now do they.
Even if Israel levels all the cities of Lebanon, stupid, ignorant
people led by the nose of Israeli propoganda, and racism will always
blame the victims.
Israel's day is over. Israel will have to stop the oppression, and
occupation, because fools like you, who always blame the victim are
becoming fewer, and fewer in number. More, and more the world sees
Israel as it is.
Styrbj=F6rn wrote:
It's sad to see, but Hizbollah is using these civilians as human
shields. I know you know this already, but I just have to make this
clear one more time, in case you forget. It's like some kind of win win
situation for the terrorists; 1) using civilians as shields might stop
an enemy from bombing, or 2) the enemy attacks anyway and the whole
world will go nuts when civilians become victims.
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| User: "Perseid" |
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30 Jul 2006 08:51:24 AM |
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"eric" <ericdavis500@gmail.com> Spat the Words
It's sad to see that whenever Israel kills civilians, which it does at
a 10-1 ratio, that it's never on purpose, and always the other sides'
fault.
Or, maybe it was on purpose and they weren't really civilians.
Using civilians as shields, eh? Well they don't seem to be
very good shields now do they.
Even if Israel levels all the cities of Lebanon, stupid, ignorant
people led by the nose of Israeli propoganda, and racism will always
blame the victims.
Israel's day is over. Israel will have to stop the oppression, and
occupation, because fools like you, who always blame the victim are
becoming fewer, and fewer in number. More, and more the world sees
Israel as it is.
Styrbjörn wrote:
It's sad to see, but Hizbollah is using these civilians as human
shields. I know you know this already, but I just have to make this
clear one more time, in case you forget. It's like some kind of win win
situation for the terrorists; 1) using civilians as shields might stop
an enemy from bombing, or 2) the enemy attacks anyway and the whole
world will go nuts when civilians become victims.
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| User: "eric" |
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| Title: Re: Israel bombs civilians, and blames the victims as usual |
30 Jul 2006 09:46:09 AM |
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You're half right. Of course it was on purpose, just as Israel
purposefully targetted the UN observers.
Perseid wrote:
"eric" <ericdavis500@gmail.com> Spat the Words
It's sad to see that whenever Israel kills civilians, which it does at
a 10-1 ratio, that it's never on purpose, and always the other sides'
fault.
Or, maybe it was on purpose and they weren't really civilians.
Using civilians as shields, eh? Well they don't seem to be
very good shields now do they.
Even if Israel levels all the cities of Lebanon, stupid, ignorant
people led by the nose of Israeli propoganda, and racism will always
blame the victims.
Israel's day is over. Israel will have to stop the oppression, and
occupation, because fools like you, who always blame the victim are
becoming fewer, and fewer in number. More, and more the world sees
Israel as it is.
Styrbj=F6rn wrote:
It's sad to see, but Hizbollah is using these civilians as human
shields. I know you know this already, but I just have to make this
clear one more time, in case you forget. It's like some kind of win win
situation for the terrorists; 1) using civilians as shields might stop
an enemy from bombing, or 2) the enemy attacks anyway and the whole
world will go nuts when civilians become victims.
=20
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| User: "Perseid" |
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| Title: Re: Israel bombs civilians, and blames the victims as usual |
30 Jul 2006 11:26:00 AM |
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"eric" <ericdavis500@gmail.com> Spat the Words
You're half right. Of course it was on purpose, just as Israel
purposefully targetted the UN observers.
During war a government will do anything necessary to achieve
its objectives, including killing civilians (we did lots of that
to Nazi Germany in WWII). Israel doesn't have any strategic
reason to kill UN observers, but the hezbolla would have a
strong incentive to make you believe that Israel did this on
purpose.
Perseid wrote:
"eric" <ericdavis500@gmail.com> Spat the Words
It's sad to see that whenever Israel kills civilians, which it does
at
a 10-1 ratio, that it's never on purpose, and always the other sides'
fault.
Or, maybe it was on purpose and they weren't really civilians.
Using civilians as shields, eh? Well they don't seem to be
very good shields now do they.
Even if Israel levels all the cities of Lebanon, stupid, ignorant
people led by the nose of Israeli propoganda, and racism will always
blame the victims.
Israel's day is over. Israel will have to stop the oppression, and
occupation, because fools like you, who always blame the victim are
becoming fewer, and fewer in number. More, and more the world sees
Israel as it is.
Styrbjörn wrote:
It's sad to see, but Hizbollah is using these civilians as human
shields. I know you know this already, but I just have to make this
clear one more time, in case you forget. It's like some kind of win
win
situation for the terrorists; 1) using civilians as shields might
stop
an enemy from bombing, or 2) the enemy attacks anyway and the whole
world will go nuts when civilians become victims.
.
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| User: "eric" |
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| Title: Re: Israel bombs civilians, and blames the victims as usual |
30 Jul 2006 12:23:45 PM |
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I didn't realize that you were privy to high-level Israeli cabinet
meetings. You're right that common sense would say that Israel has no
strategic interests in killing the UN observers, but since when did
common sense prevail in Israeli foreign policy? And for that matter
when was the last time common sense prevailed in the Bush
administration?
The fact is, that many Israelis resent the UN presence, and do not want
the UN there. The UN warned Israel 10 times it was shelling
dangerously close to it's position and finally it hit. That was
obviously on purpose at some level - either a rogue pilot, or it goes
higher up the chain of command. One could also say that the U.S. had
no strategic interest to ignore the Geneva Convention, or to call the
conventions "Quaint", but it did lead to widespread torture, and made
the war in Iraq unwinnable.
But the fact is, that Israel is chomping at the bit to strike at Iran
because of it's nuclear ambitions. The current chaos in lebanon is
ideal to draw in Syria, and then Iran. So soon Israel can have it's war
to end the Mideast as we know it. Problem is for Israel, it will end
Israel as we know it as well. I would say that Israel at the very
least is about to lose the Sheba farms, and the entirety of the Golan
Heights. It certainly can't hold on to this real estate forever.
Perseid wrote:
"eric" <ericdavis500@gmail.com> Spat the Words
You're half right. Of course it was on purpose, just as Israel
purposefully targetted the UN observers.
During war a government will do anything necessary to achieve
its objectives, including killing civilians (we did lots of that
to Nazi Germany in WWII). Israel doesn't have any strategic
reason to kill UN observers, but the hezbolla would have a
strong incentive to make you believe that Israel did this on
purpose.
Perseid wrote:
"eric" <ericdavis500@gmail.com> Spat the Words
It's sad to see that whenever Israel kills civilians, which it does
at
a 10-1 ratio, that it's never on purpose, and always the other sides'
fault.
Or, maybe it was on purpose and they weren't really civilians.
Using civilians as shields, eh? Well they don't seem to be
very good shields now do they.
Even if Israel levels all the cities of Lebanon, stupid, ignorant
people led by the nose of Israeli propoganda, and racism will always
blame the victims.
Israel's day is over. Israel will have to stop the oppression, and
occupation, because fools like you, who always blame the victim are
becoming fewer, and fewer in number. More, and more the world sees
Israel as it is.
Styrbj=F6rn wrote:
It's sad to see, but Hizbollah is using these civilians as human
shields. I know you know this already, but I just have to make this
clear one more time, in case you forget. It's like some kind of win
win
situation for the terrorists; 1) using civilians as shields might
stop
an enemy from bombing, or 2) the enemy attacks anyway and the whole
world will go nuts when civilians become victims.
=20
=20
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| User: "John Lemke" |
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30 Jul 2006 10:12:44 AM |
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You know, if someone were writing a scenario, planning a program of
gradually ramping up the kidnapping of 1 soldier into a regional holocaust
it couldn't have been done more artfully or intricately. Remake the Middle
East for whom?
"eric" <ericdavis500@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1154270769.532797.257830@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
You're half right. Of course it was on purpose, just as Israel
purposefully targetted the UN observers.
Perseid wrote:
"eric" <ericdavis500@gmail.com> Spat the Words
It's sad to see that whenever Israel kills civilians, which it does at
a 10-1 ratio, that it's never on purpose, and always the other sides'
fault.
Or, maybe it was on purpose and they weren't really civilians.
Using civilians as shields, eh? Well they don't seem to be
very good shields now do they.
Even if Israel levels all the cities of Lebanon, stupid, ignorant
people led by the nose of Israeli propoganda, and racism will always
blame the victims.
Israel's day is over. Israel will have to stop the oppression, and
occupation, because fools like you, who always blame the victim are
becoming fewer, and fewer in number. More, and more the world sees
Israel as it is.
Styrbjörn wrote:
It's sad to see, but Hizbollah is using these civilians as human
shields. I know you know this already, but I just have to make this
clear one more time, in case you forget. It's like some kind of win win
situation for the terrorists; 1) using civilians as shields might stop
an enemy from bombing, or 2) the enemy attacks anyway and the whole
world will go nuts when civilians become victims.
.
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| User: "eric" |
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| Title: Re: Israel bombs civilians, and blames the victims as usual |
30 Jul 2006 12:30:14 PM |
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Israel was very much behind and supportive of the Iraqi invasion. Iraq
is now a basket-case, embroiled in civil war. Isn't it obvious that
Israel is working towards the demise of the Syrian, and Iranian
leadership as well? Isn't it obvious that the U.S. is working towards
exactly the same goals? This is no secret. The Neocons, who are
joined at the hip with Israel have stated their agenda publicly for
years.
Now considering what's happening, and the stupendous failures of the
Bush administration, they're moving ahead towards that goal. I mean,
it's only because of the U.S. that the Security Council could not pass
a resolution to have all sides adhere to a cease fire.
John Lemke wrote:
You know, if someone were writing a scenario, planning a program of
gradually ramping up the kidnapping of 1 soldier into a regional holocaust
it couldn't have been done more artfully or intricately. Remake the Midd=
le
East for whom?
"eric" <ericdavis500@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1154270769.532797.257830@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
You're half right. Of course it was on purpose, just as Israel
purposefully targetted the UN observers.
Perseid wrote:
"eric" <ericdavis500@gmail.com> Spat the Words
It's sad to see that whenever Israel kills civilians, which it does at
a 10-1 ratio, that it's never on purpose, and always the other sides'
fault.
Or, maybe it was on purpose and they weren't really civilians.
Using civilians as shields, eh? Well they don't seem to be
very good shields now do they.
Even if Israel levels all the cities of Lebanon, stupid, ignorant
people led by the nose of Israeli propoganda, and racism will always
blame the victims.
Israel's day is over. Israel will have to stop the oppression, and
occupation, because fools like you, who always blame the victim are
becoming fewer, and fewer in number. More, and more the world sees
Israel as it is.
Styrbj=F6rn wrote:
It's sad to see, but Hizbollah is using these civilians as human
shields. I know you know this already, but I just have to make this
clear one more time, in case you forget. It's like some kind of win =
win
situation for the terrorists; 1) using civilians as shields might st=
op
an enemy from bombing, or 2) the enemy attacks anyway and the whole
world will go nuts when civilians become victims.
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| User: "Marvin The Paranoid Android" |
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| Title: Re: Israel bombs civilians, and blames the victims as usual |
30 Jul 2006 01:56:45 PM |
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eric wrote:
Israel was very much behind and supportive of the Iraqi invasion. Iraq
is now a basket-case, embroiled in civil war. Isn't it obvious that
Israel is working towards the demise of the Syrian, and Iranian
leadership as well? Isn't it obvious that the U.S. is working towards
exactly the same goals? This is no secret. The Neocons, who are
joined at the hip with Israel have stated their agenda publicly for
years.
Unfortunately, Syria and Iran are working towards Israel's demise as
well.
Now considering what's happening, and the stupendous failures of the
Bush administration, they're moving ahead towards that goal. I mean,
it's only because of the U.S. that the Security Council could not pass
a resolution to have all sides adhere to a cease fire.
Won't find any arguments here on Bush's failures.
My impression is Israel recognizes the almost complete lack of U.S.
clout currently in the M.E and has taken matters into their own hands.
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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| Title: Re: Israel bombs civilians, and blames the victims as usual |
30 Jul 2006 03:49:36 PM |
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On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 11:56:45 -0700, Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
eric wrote:
Israel was very much behind and supportive of the Iraqi invasion. Iraq
is now a basket-case, embroiled in civil war. Isn't it obvious that
Israel is working towards the demise of the Syrian, and Iranian
leadership as well? Isn't it obvious that the U.S. is working towards
exactly the same goals? This is no secret. The Neocons, who are
joined at the hip with Israel have stated their agenda publicly for
years.
Unfortunately, Syria and Iran are working towards Israel's demise as
well.
Now considering what's happening, and the stupendous failures of the
Bush administration, they're moving ahead towards that goal. I mean,
it's only because of the U.S. that the Security Council could not pass
a resolution to have all sides adhere to a cease fire.
Won't find any arguments here on Bush's failures.
My impression is Israel recognizes the almost complete lack of U.S.
clout currently in the M.E and has taken matters into their own hands.
I also think it scared the living bejeezus out of them that Hezbollah
(1)was successful in kidnapping Israeli soldiers and (2)is a lot better
equipped than Israel thought. Face it, they've had the best intelligence
agency in the world for years and get caught with their pants down, so to
speak - definitely not a good thing.
That said, I disagree with their actions and also think it will come back
to bite them.
Woods
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| User: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Styrbj=F6rn?=" |
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30 Jul 2006 03:58:36 PM |
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Woodswun wrote / skrev:
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 11:56:45 -0700, Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
eric wrote:
Israel was very much behind and supportive of the Iraqi invasion. Iraq
is now a basket-case, embroiled in civil war. Isn't it obvious that
Israel is working towards the demise of the Syrian, and Iranian
leadership as well? Isn't it obvious that the U.S. is working towards
exactly the same goals? This is no secret. The Neocons, who are
joined at the hip with Israel have stated their agenda publicly for
years.
Unfortunately, Syria and Iran are working towards Israel's demise as
well.
Now considering what's happening, and the stupendous failures of the
Bush administration, they're moving ahead towards that goal. I mean,
it's only because of the U.S. that the Security Council could not pass
a resolution to have all sides adhere to a cease fire.
Won't find any arguments here on Bush's failures.
My impression is Israel recognizes the almost complete lack of U.S.
clout currently in the M.E and has taken matters into their own hands.
I also think it scared the living bejeezus out of them that Hezbollah
(1)was successful in kidnapping Israeli soldiers and (2)is a lot better
equipped than Israel thought. Face it, they've had the best intelligence
agency in the world for years and get caught with their pants down, so to
speak - definitely not a good thing.
That said, I disagree with their actions and also think it will come back
to bite them.
Woods
No, Hizbollah was not better equipped than they thought. But a civilized
nation, like Israel, is holding back. You've got your pants down, man.
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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| Title: Re: Israel bombs civilians, and blames the victims as usual |
30 Jul 2006 04:20:13 PM |
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On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 20:58:36 +0000, Styrbjörn wrote:
Woodswun wrote / skrev:
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 11:56:45 -0700, Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
eric wrote:
Israel was very much behind and supportive of the Iraqi invasion. Iraq
is now a basket-case, embroiled in civil war. Isn't it obvious that
Israel is working towards the demise of the Syrian, and Iranian
leadership as well? Isn't it obvious that the U.S. is working towards
exactly the same goals? This is no secret. The Neocons, who are
joined at the hip with Israel have stated their agenda publicly for
years.
Unfortunately, Syria and Iran are working towards Israel's demise as
well.
Now considering what's happening, and the stupendous failures of the
Bush administration, they're moving ahead towards that goal. I mean,
it's only because of the U.S. that the Security Council could not pass
a resolution to have all sides adhere to a cease fire.
Won't find any arguments here on Bush's failures.
My impression is Israel recognizes the almost complete lack of U.S.
clout currently in the M.E and has taken matters into their own hands.
I also think it scared the living bejeezus out of them that Hezbollah
(1)was successful in kidnapping Israeli soldiers and (2)is a lot better
equipped than Israel thought. Face it, they've had the best intelligence
agency in the world for years and get caught with their pants down, so to
speak - definitely not a good thing.
That said, I disagree with their actions and also think it will come back
to bite them.
Woods
No, Hizbollah was not better equipped than they thought. But a civilized
nation, like Israel, is holding back. You've got your pants down, man.
Okay, thanks for the info. I'll take your word for it. I should know
better to listen to CNN 9_9. This past week their talking heads were
going on and on about how Hezbollah's missiles were going much further
than ever before, and how it caught Israel off guard .... but the closest
thing on their site, which says nothing like that, is this story:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/28/mideast.main/index.html
Now I remember why I stopped watching them, lol!
Woods
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| User: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Styrbj=F6rn?=" |
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30 Jul 2006 04:27:18 PM |
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Woodswun wrote / skrev:
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 20:58:36 +0000, Styrbjörn wrote:
Woodswun wrote / skrev:
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 11:56:45 -0700, Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
eric wrote:
Israel was very much behind and supportive of the Iraqi invasion. Iraq
is now a basket-case, embroiled in civil war. Isn't it obvious that
Israel is working towards the demise of the Syrian, and Iranian
leadership as well? Isn't it obvious that the U.S. is working towards
exactly the same goals? This is no secret. The Neocons, who are
joined at the hip with Israel have stated their agenda publicly for
years.
Unfortunately, Syria and Iran are working towards Israel's demise as
well.
Now considering what's happening, and the stupendous failures of the
Bush administration, they're moving ahead towards that goal. I mean,
it's only because of the U.S. that the Security Council could not pass
a resolution to have all sides adhere to a cease fire.
Won't find any arguments here on Bush's failures.
My impression is Israel recognizes the almost complete lack of U.S.
clout currently in the M.E and has taken matters into their own hands.
I also think it scared the living bejeezus out of them that Hezbollah
(1)was successful in kidnapping Israeli soldiers and (2)is a lot better
equipped than Israel thought. Face it, they've had the best intelligence
agency in the world for years and get caught with their pants down, so to
speak - definitely not a good thing.
That said, I disagree with their actions and also think it will come back
to bite them.
Woods
No, Hizbollah was not better equipped than they thought. But a civilized
nation, like Israel, is holding back. You've got your pants down, man.
Okay, thanks for the info. I'll take your word for it. I should know
better to listen to CNN 9_9. This past week their talking heads were
going on and on about how Hezbollah's missiles were going much further
than ever before, and how it caught Israel off guard .... but the closest
thing on their site, which says nothing like that, is this story:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/28/mideast.main/index.html
Now I remember why I stopped watching them, lol!
Woods
Woods, you ignorant *****, I don't care if you waste your time watching
CNN. Sorry. ROFL ROFL LOL ROFL LOL! Yeah?
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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| Title: Re: Israel bombs civilians, and blames the victims as usual |
30 Jul 2006 04:31:38 PM |
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On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:27:18 +0000, Styrbjörn wrote:
Woodswun wrote / skrev:
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 20:58:36 +0000, Styrbjörn wrote:
Woodswun wrote / skrev:
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 11:56:45 -0700, Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
eric wrote:
Israel was very much behind and supportive of the Iraqi invasion. Iraq
is now a basket-case, embroiled in civil war. Isn't it obvious that
Israel is working towards the demise of the Syrian, and Iranian
leadership as well? Isn't it obvious that the U.S. is working towards
exactly the same goals? This is no secret. The Neocons, who are
joined at the hip with Israel have stated their agenda publicly for
years.
Unfortunately, Syria and Iran are working towards Israel's demise as
well.
Now considering what's happening, and the stupendous failures of the
Bush administration, they're moving ahead towards that goal. I mean,
it's only because of the U.S. that the Security Council could not pass
a resolution to have all sides adhere to a cease fire.
Won't find any arguments here on Bush's failures.
My impression is Israel recognizes the almost complete lack of U.S.
clout currently in the M.E and has taken matters into their own hands.
I also think it scared the living bejeezus out of them that Hezbollah
(1)was successful in kidnapping Israeli soldiers and (2)is a lot better
equipped than Israel thought. Face it, they've had the best intelligence
agency in the world for years and get caught with their pants down, so to
speak - definitely not a good thing.
That said, I disagree with their actions and also think it will come back
to bite them.
Woods
No, Hizbollah was not better equipped than they thought. But a civilized
nation, like Israel, is holding back. You've got your pants down, man.
Okay, thanks for the info. I'll take your word for it. I should know
better to listen to CNN 9_9. This past week their talking heads were
going on and on about how Hezbollah's missiles were going much further
than ever before, and how it caught Israel off guard .... but the closest
thing on their site, which says nothing like that, is this story:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/28/mideast.main/index.html
Now I remember why I stopped watching them, lol!
Woods
Woods, you ignorant *****, I don't care if you waste your time watching
CNN. Sorry. ROFL ROFL LOL ROFL LOL! Yeah?
Heh, we need to change our names to Jane and Dan. ;-)
Woods
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| User: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Styrbj=F6rn?=" |
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30 Jul 2006 04:34:13 PM |
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Woodswun wrote / skrev:
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:27:18 +0000, Styrbjörn wrote:
Woodswun wrote / skrev:
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 20:58:36 +0000, Styrbjörn wrote:
Woodswun wrote / skrev:
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 11:56:45 -0700, Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
eric wrote:
Israel was very much behind and supportive of the Iraqi invasion. Iraq
is now a basket-case, embroiled in civil war. Isn't it obvious that
Israel is working towards the demise of the Syrian, and Iranian
leadership as well? Isn't it obvious that the U.S. is working towards
exactly the same goals? This is no secret. The Neocons, who are
joined at the hip with Israel have stated their agenda publicly for
years.
Unfortunately, Syria and Iran are working towards Israel's demise as
well.
Now considering what's happening, and the stupendous failures of the
Bush administration, they're moving ahead towards that goal. I mean,
it's only because of the U.S. that the Security Council could not pass
a resolution to have all sides adhere to a cease fire.
Won't find any arguments here on Bush's failures.
My impression is Israel recognizes the almost complete lack of U.S.
clout currently in the M.E and has taken matters into their own hands.
I also think it scared the living bejeezus out of them that Hezbollah
(1)was successful in kidnapping Israeli soldiers and (2)is a lot better
equipped than Israel thought. Face it, they've had the best intelligence
agency in the world for years and get caught with their pants down, so to
speak - definitely not a good thing.
That said, I disagree with their actions and also think it will come back
to bite them.
Woods
No, Hizbollah was not better equipped than they thought. But a civilized
nation, like Israel, is holding back. You've got your pants down, man.
Okay, thanks for the info. I'll take your word for it. I should know
better to listen to CNN 9_9. This past week their talking heads were
going on and on about how Hezbollah's missiles were going much further
than ever before, and how it caught Israel off guard .... but the closest
thing on their site, which says nothing like that, is this story:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/28/mideast.main/index.html
Now I remember why I stopped watching them, lol!
Woods
Woods, you ignorant *****, I don't care if you waste your time watching
CNN. Sorry. ROFL ROFL LOL ROFL LOL! Yeah?
Heh, we need to change our names to Jane and Dan. ;-)
Woods
Hey, I'm sorry. See another thread. ;-)
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30 Jul 2006 04:45:02 PM |
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On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:34:13 +0000, Styrbjörn wrote:
Woodswun wrote / skrev:
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:27:18 +0000, Styrbjörn wrote:
Woodswun wrote / skrev:
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 20:58:36 +0000, Styrbjörn wrote:
Woodswun wrote / skrev:
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 11:56:45 -0700, Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
eric wrote:
Israel was very much behind and supportive of the Iraqi invasion. Iraq
is now a basket-case, embroiled in civil war. Isn't it obvious that
Israel is working towards the demise of the Syrian, and Iranian
leadership as well? Isn't it obvious that the U.S. is working towards
exactly the same goals? This is no secret. The Neocons, who are
joined at the hip with Israel have stated their agenda publicly for
years.
Unfortunately, Syria and Iran are working towards Israel's demise as
well.
Now considering what's happening, and the stupendous failures of the
Bush administration, they're moving ahead towards that goal. I mean,
it's only because of the U.S. that the Security Council could not pass
a resolution to have all sides adhere to a cease fire.
Won't find any arguments here on Bush's failures.
My impression is Israel recognizes the almost complete lack of U.S.
clout currently in the M.E and has taken matters into their own hands.
I also think it scared the living bejeezus out of them that Hezbollah
(1)was successful in kidnapping Israeli soldiers and (2)is a lot better
equipped than Israel thought. Face it, they've had the best intelligence
agency in the world for years and get caught with their pants down, so to
speak - definitely not a good thing.
That said, I disagree with their actions and also think it will come back
to bite them.
Woods
No, Hizbollah was not better equipped than they thought. But a civilized
nation, like Israel, is holding back. You've got your pants down, man.
Okay, thanks for the info. I'll take your word for it. I should know
better to listen to CNN 9_9. This past week their talking heads were
going on and on about how Hezbollah's missiles were going much further
than ever before, and how it caught Israel off guard .... but the closest
thing on their site, which says nothing like that, is this story:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/28/mideast.main/index.html
Now I remember why I stopped watching them, lol!
Woods
Woods, you ignorant *****, I don't care if you waste your time watching
CNN. Sorry. ROFL ROFL LOL ROFL LOL! Yeah?
Heh, we need to change our names to Jane and Dan. ;-)
Woods
Hey, I'm sorry. See another thread. ;-)
Hey, no problem. Anyone who quotes classic SNL is okay (besides, I
thought it was funny). :-D
Woods
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30 Jul 2006 04:35:03 PM |
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Woodswun wrote / skrev:
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:27:18 +0000, Styrbjörn wrote:
Woodswun wrote / skrev:
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 20:58:36 +0000, Styrbjörn wrote:
Woodswun wrote / skrev:
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 11:56:45 -0700, Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
eric wrote:
Israel was very much behind and supportive of the Iraqi invasion. Iraq
is now a basket-case, embroiled in civil war. Isn't it obvious that
Israel is working towards the demise of the Syrian, and Iranian
leadership as well? Isn't it obvious that the U.S. is working towards
exactly the same goals? This is no secret. The Neocons, who are
joined at the hip with Israel have stated their agenda publicly for
years.
Unfortunately, Syria and Iran are working towards Israel's demise as
well.
Now considering what's happening, and the stupendous failures of the
Bush administration, they're moving ahead towards that goal. I mean,
it's only because of the U.S. that the Security Council could not pass
a resolution to have all sides adhere to a cease fire.
Won't find any arguments here on Bush's failures.
My impression is Israel recognizes the almost complete lack of U.S.
clout currently in the M.E and has taken matters into their own hands.
I also think it scared the living bejeezus out of them that Hezbollah
(1)was successful in kidnapping Israeli soldiers and (2)is a lot better
equipped than Israel thought. Face it, they've had the best intelligence
agency in the world for years and get caught with their pants down, so to
speak - definitely not a good thing.
That said, I disagree with their actions and also think it will come back
to bite them.
Woods
No, Hizbollah was not better equipped than they thought. But a civilized
nation, like Israel, is holding back. You've got your pants down, man.
Okay, thanks for the info. I'll take your word for it. I should know
better to listen to CNN 9_9. This past week their talking heads were
going on and on about how Hezbollah's missiles were going much further
than ever before, and how it caught Israel off guard .... but the closest
thing on their site, which says nothing like that, is this story:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/28/mideast.main/index.html
Now I remember why I stopped watching them, lol!
Woods
Woods, you ignorant *****, I don't care if you waste your time watching
CNN. Sorry. ROFL ROFL LOL ROFL LOL! Yeah?
Heh, we need to change our names to Jane and Dan. ;-)
Woods
Or "Jan & Dean" (Dead man's curve?) :-)
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30 Jul 2006 06:37:59 PM |
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Styrbj=F6rn wrote:
Woodswun wrote / skrev:
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 20:58:36 +0000, Styrbj=F6rn wrote:
Woodswun wrote / skrev:
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 11:56:45 -0700, Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
eric wrote:
Israel was very much behind and supportive of the Iraqi invasion. I=
raq
is now a basket-case, embroiled in civil war. Isn't it obvious that
Israel is working towards the demise of the Syrian, and Iranian
leadership as well? Isn't it obvious that the U.S. is working towar=
ds
exactly the same goals? This is no secret. The Neocons, who are
joined at the hip with Israel have stated their agenda publicly for
years.
Unfortunately, Syria and Iran are working towards Israel's demise as
well.
Now considering what's happening, and the stupendous failures of the
Bush administration, they're moving ahead towards that goal. I mean,
it's only because of the U.S. that the Security Council could not pa=
ss
a resolution to have all sides adhere to a cease fire.
Won't find any arguments here on Bush's failures.
My impression is Israel recognizes the almost complete lack of U.S.
clout currently in the M.E and has taken matters into their own hands.
I also think it scared the living bejeezus out of them that Hezbollah
(1)was successful in kidnapping Israeli soldiers and (2)is a lot better
equipped than Israel thought. Face it, they've had the best intellige=
nce
agency in the world for years and get caught with their pants down, so=
to
speak - definitely not a good thing.
That said, I disagree with their actions and also think it will come b=
ack
to bite them.
Woods
No, Hizbollah was not better equipped than they thought. But a civilized
nation, like Israel, is holding back. You've got your pants down, man.
Okay, thanks for the info. I'll take your word for it. I should know
better to listen to CNN 9_9. This past week their talking heads were
going on and on about how Hezbollah's missiles were going much further
than ever before, and how it caught Israel off guard .... but the close=
st
thing on their site, which says nothing like that, is this story:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/28/mideast.main/index.html
Now I remember why I stopped watching them, lol!
Woods
Woods, you ignorant *****, I don't care if you waste your time watching
CNN. Sorry. ROFL ROFL LOL ROFL LOL! Yeah?
Nice to see someone else called an ignorant ***** for a change, :)!
Jane
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30 Jul 2006 08:53:13 PM |
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"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> Spat the Words
Styrbjörn wrote:
Woodswun wrote / skrev:
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 20:58:36 +0000, Styrbjörn wrote:
Woodswun wrote / skrev:
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 11:56:45 -0700, Marvin The Paranoid Android
wrote:
eric wrote:
Israel was very much behind and supportive of the Iraqi invasion.
I
raq
is now a basket-case, embroiled in civil war. Isn't it obvious
that
Israel is working towards the demise of the Syrian, and Iranian
leadership as well? Isn't it obvious that the U.S. is working
towar
ds
exactly the same goals? This is no secret. The Neocons, who are
joined at the hip with Israel have stated their agenda publicly
for
years.
Unfortunately, Syria and Iran are working towards Israel's demise
as
well.
Now considering what's happening, and the stupendous failures of
the
Bush administration, they're moving ahead towards that goal. I
mean,
it's only because of the U.S. that the Security Council could not
pa
ss
a resolution to have all sides adhere to a cease fire.
Won't find any arguments here on Bush's failures.
My impression is Israel recognizes the almost complete lack of U.S.
clout currently in the M.E and has taken matters into their own
hands.
I also think it scared the living bejeezus out of them that
Hezbollah
(1)was successful in kidnapping Israeli soldiers and (2)is a lot
better
equipped than Israel thought. Face it, they've had the best
intellige
nce
agency in the world for years and get caught with their pants down,
so
to
speak - definitely not a good thing.
That said, I disagree with their actions and also think it will come
b
ack
to bite them.
Woods
No, Hizbollah was not better equipped than they thought. But a
civilized
nation, like Israel, is holding back. You've got your pants down,
man.
Okay, thanks for the info. I'll take your word for it. I should
know
better to listen to CNN 9_9. This past week their talking heads were
going on and on about how Hezbollah's missiles were going much
further
than ever before, and how it caught Israel off guard .... but the
close
st
thing on their site, which says nothing like that, is this story:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/28/mideast.main/index.html
Now I remember why I stopped watching them, lol!
Woods
Woods, you ignorant *****, I don't care if you waste your time watching
CNN. Sorry. ROFL ROFL LOL ROFL LOL! Yeah?
Nice to see someone else called an ignorant ***** for a change, :)!
Jane
Woods, you ignorant *****... It just doesn't have quite the same
ring, doesn't conjure the same images.
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30 Jul 2006 09:14:51 PM |
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"Perseid" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9810CA4D2E56Brrfkwrantispamattbic@216.196.97.136...
Woods, you ignorant *****... It just doesn't have quite the same
ring, doesn't conjure the same images.
Dan Aykroyd: Hello. I'm "Weekend Update" Station Manager Dan Aykroyd. This
week, the Shah of Iran declared martial law, in an attempt to put a stop to
the violent writing which has paralyzed his country. The Shah is the subject
of tonight's "Point/Counterpoint". Jane will take the Anti-Shah Point, and I
will take the Pro-Shah Counterpoint. Jane?
Jane Curtin: Dan, I know exactly what you're going to say: "Jane, you
ignorant *****! The Shah is our friend, he sent us oil during the 70's
re-embargo. He's a fighter against Communism." Maybe so, Dan, but what
happened to the human rights you scream about every time a Saranski gets
sentenced to some Soviet jail? Why is it wrong to torture a dissident and
freezing Siberian Goulag, but okay to wire a leftist student's genitals in a
baking Tehran dungeon? I only hope that someday someone wires your genitals,
Dan. Then you'll be singing a different tune!
Dan Aykroyd: Jane, you poor, misguided scrag! Sure, the Shah's a jerk, but
he's all we've got! Just look at the map. To the north, the Soviet Union; to
the east and west, Afghanistan and Iraq. Both leftist radical states; and in
the south, the Persian Gulf. Any idiot can see that Iran would be a prized
stepping stone in an eventual Soviet takeover of the world. And when that
happens, Jane, those Cossacks will be coming over here with their broom
handle, and we'll see how you'll feel then! Of course, you'd probably love
it, you ignorant *****!
Jane Curtin: That's the news. Good night, and have a pleasant tomorrow.
http://snltranscripts.jt.org/78/78eupdate.phtml
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30 Jul 2006 09:53:11 PM |
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"John Lemke" <jflemke@locallink.net> Spat the Words
"Perseid" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9810CA4D2E56Brrfkwrantispamattbic@216.196.97.136...
Woods, you ignorant *****... It just doesn't have quite the same
ring, doesn't conjure the same images.
Dan Aykroyd: Hello. I'm "Weekend Update" Station Manager Dan Aykroyd.
This week, the Shah of Iran declared martial law, in an attempt to put a
stop to the violent writing which has paralyzed his country. The Shah is
the subject of tonight's "Point/Counterpoint". Jane will take the
Anti-Shah Point, and I will take the Pro-Shah Counterpoint. Jane?
Jane Curtin: Dan, I know exactly what you're going to say: "Jane, you
ignorant *****! The Shah is our friend, he sent us oil during the 70's
re-embargo. He's a fighter against Communism." Maybe so, Dan, but what
happened to the human rights you scream about every time a Saranski gets
sentenced to some Soviet jail? Why is it wrong to torture a dissident
and freezing Siberian Goulag, but okay to wire a leftist student's
genitals in a baking Tehran dungeon? I only hope that someday someone
wires your genitals, Dan. Then you'll be singing a different tune!
Dan Aykroyd: Jane, you poor, misguided scrag! Sure, the Shah's a jerk,
Woods, you poor misguided scrag !
Woods, you intractable pig !
(sorry woods, just using you as a test case)
I wonder how many people here are young enough not to have ever
seen these count / pointer-count skits. The original Saturday
Night Live were the best.
but he's all we've got! Just look at the map. To the north, the Soviet
Union; to the east and west, Afghanistan and Iraq. Both leftist radical
states; and in the south, the Persian Gulf. Any idiot can see that Iran
would be a prized stepping stone in an eventual Soviet takeover of the
world. And when that happens, Jane, those Cossacks will be coming over
here with their broom handle, and we'll see how you'll feel then! Of
course, you'd probably love it, you ignorant *****!
Jane Curtin: That's the news. Good night, and have a pleasant tomorrow.
http://snltranscripts.jt.org/78/78eupdate.phtml
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31 Jul 2006 04:22:33 PM |
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On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:53:11 -0500, Perseid wrote:
"John Lemke" <jflemke@locallink.net> Spat the Words
"Perseid" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9810CA4D2E56Brrfkwrantispamattbic@216.196.97.136...
Woods, you ignorant *****... It just doesn't have quite the same
ring, doesn't conjure the same images.
Dan Aykroyd: Hello. I'm "Weekend Update" Station Manager Dan Aykroyd.
This week, the Shah of Iran declared martial law, in an attempt to put a
stop to the violent writing which has paralyzed his country. The Shah is
the subject of tonight's "Point/Counterpoint". Jane will take the
Anti-Shah Point, and I will take the Pro-Shah Counterpoint. Jane?
Jane Curtin: Dan, I know exactly what you're going to say: "Jane, you
ignorant *****! The Shah is our friend, he sent us oil during the 70's
re-embargo. He's a fighter against Communism." Maybe so, Dan, but what
happened to the human rights you scream about every time a Saranski gets
sentenced to some Soviet jail? Why is it wrong to torture a dissident
and freezing Siberian Goulag, but okay to wire a leftist student's
genitals in a baking Tehran dungeon? I only hope that someday someone
wires your genitals, Dan. Then you'll be singing a different tune!
Dan Aykroyd: Jane, you poor, misguided scrag! Sure, the Shah's a jerk,
Woods, you poor misguided scrag !
Woods, you intractable pig !
(sorry woods, just using you as a test case)
No problem. I think it works.
^_^
I wonder how many people here are young enough not to have ever
seen these count / pointer-count skits. The original Saturday
Night Live were the best.
Definitely.
Woods
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31 Jul 2006 04:21:28 PM |
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On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 20:53:13 -0500, Perseid wrote:
"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> Spat the Words
Styrbjörn wrote:
Woodswun wrote / skrev:
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 20:58:36 +0000, Styrbjörn wrote:
Woodswun wrote / skrev:
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 11:56:45 -0700, Marvin The Paranoid Android
wrote:
eric wrote:
Israel was very much behind and supportive of the Iraqi invasion.
I
raq
is now a basket-case, embroiled in civil war. Isn't it obvious
that
Israel is working towards the demise of the Syrian, and Iranian
leadership as well? Isn't it obvious that the U.S. is working
towar
ds
exactly the same goals? This is no secret. The Neocons, who are
joined at the hip with Israel have stated their agenda publicly
for
years.
Unfortunately, Syria and Iran are working towards Israel's demise
as
well.
Now considering what's happening, and the stupendous failures of
the
Bush administration, they're moving ahead towards that goal. I
mean,
it's only because of the U.S. that the Security Council could not
pa
ss
a resolution to have all sides adhere to a cease fire.
Won't find any arguments here on Bush's failures.
My impression is Israel recognizes the almost complete lack of U.S.
clout currently in the M.E and has taken matters into their own
hands.
I also think it scared the living bejeezus out of them that
Hezbollah
(1)was successful in kidnapping Israeli soldiers and (2)is a lot
better
equipped than Israel thought. Face it, they've had the best
intellige
nce
agency in the world for years and get caught with their pants down,
so
to
speak - definitely not a good thing.
That said, I disagree with their actions and also think it will come
b
ack
to bite them.
Woods
No, Hizbollah was not better equipped than they thought. But a
civilized
nation, like Israel, is holding back. You've got your pants down,
man.
Okay, thanks for the info. I'll take your word for it. I should
know
better to listen to CNN 9_9. This past week their talking heads were
going on and on about how Hezbollah's missiles were going much
further
than ever before, and how it caught Israel off guard .... but the
close
st
thing on their site, which says nothing like that, is this story:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/28/mideast.main/index.html
Now I remember why I stopped watching them, lol!
Woods
Woods, you ignorant *****, I don't care if you waste your time watching
CNN. Sorry. ROFL ROFL LOL ROFL LOL! Yeah?
Nice to see someone else called an ignorant ***** for a change, :)!
Jane
Woods, you ignorant *****... It just doesn't have quite the same
ring, doesn't conjure the same images.
I dunno, I think it has kind of a ring to it! :-D
Woods
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30 Jul 2006 03:56:06 PM |
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Woodswun wrote:
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 11:56:45 -0700, Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
eric wrote:
Israel was very much behind and supportive of the Iraqi invasion. Iraq
is now a basket-case, embroiled in civil war. Isn't it obvious that
Israel is working towards the demise of the Syrian, and Iranian
leadership as well? Isn't it obvious that the U.S. is working towards
exactly the same goals? This is no secret. The Neocons, who are
joined at the hip with Israel have stated their agenda publicly for
years.
Unfortunately, Syria and Iran are working towards Israel's demise as
well.
Now considering what's happening, and the stupendous failures of the
Bush administration, they're moving ahead towards that goal. I mean,
it's only because of the U.S. that the Security Council could not pass
a resolution to have all sides adhere to a cease fire.
Won't find any arguments here on Bush's failures.
My impression is Israel recognizes the almost complete lack of U.S.
clout currently in the M.E and has taken matters into their own hands.
I also think it scared the living bejeezus out of them that Hezbollah
(1)was successful in kidnapping Israeli soldiers and (2)is a lot better
equipped than Israel thought. Face it, they've had the best intelligence
agency in the world for years and get caught with their pants down, so to
speak - definitely not a good thing.
That said, I disagree with their actions and also think it will come back
to bite them.
Yes.
The response is insanely disproportionate.
They're destroying Lebanon.
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30 Jul 2006 04:19:18 PM |
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Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 11:56:45 -0700, Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
eric wrote:
Israel was very much behind and supportive of the Iraqi invasion. Iraq
is now a basket-case, embroiled in civil war. Isn't it obvious that
Israel is working towards the demise of the Syrian, and Iranian
leadership as well? Isn't it obvious that the U.S. is working towards
exactly the same goals? This is no secret. The Neocons, who are
joined at the hip with Israel have stated their agenda publicly for
years.
Unfortunately, Syria and Iran are working towards Israel's demise as
well.
Now considering what's happening, and the stupendous failures of the
Bush administration, they're moving ahead towards that goal. I mean,
it's only because of the U.S. that the Security Council could not pass
a resolution to have all sides adhere to a cease fire.
Won't find any arguments here on Bush's failures.
My impression is Israel recognizes the almost complete lack of U.S.
clout currently in the M.E and has taken matters into their own hands.
I also think it scared the living bejeezus out of them that Hezbollah
(1)was successful in kidnapping Israeli soldiers and (2)is a lot better
equipped than Israel thought. Face it, they've had the best intelligence
agency in the world for years and get caught with their pants down, so to
speak - definitely not a good thing.
That said, I disagree with their actions and also think it will come back
to bite them.
Yes.
The response is insanely disproportionate.
They're destroying Lebanon.
No, they're targeting Hezbollah infrastructure. They are not attacking
Lebanon indiscriminately as a whole. Meanwhile, the rockets keep
exploding in Israeli cities -- but no one cares about that, because the
people of Israel have built shelters for themselves. Only those who
don't get to a shelter are wounded by the anti-personnel ball bearings
that go flying everywhere when those rockets explode. I don't blame
Israel for doing whatever it takes to get those rocket sites shut down,
though I am truly sorry for the people of Lebanon who have been made to
suffer by the moronic terrorists who purposely hide themselves among
civilians. And by the way, Israel has warned all civilians in southern
Lebanon that they may be in danger if they stay there among the
terrorists who are firing those rockets -- those rockets that *some*
people don't seem to care are purposedly AIMED toward Israeli civilians.
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30 Jul 2006 04:28:42 PM |
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On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:19:18 -0700, Steven Douglas wrote:
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 11:56:45 -0700, Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
eric wrote:
Israel was very much behind and supportive of the Iraqi invasion. Iraq
is now a basket-case, embroiled in civil war. Isn't it obvious that
Israel is working towards the demise of the Syrian, and Iranian
leadership as well? Isn't it obvious that the U.S. is working towards
exactly the same goals? This is no secret. The Neocons, who are
joined at the hip with Israel have stated their agenda publicly for
years.
Unfortunately, Syria and Iran are working towards Israel's demise as
well.
Now considering what's happening, and the stupendous failures of the
Bush administration, they're moving ahead towards that goal. I mean,
it's only because of the U.S. that the Security Council could not pass
a resolution to have all sides adhere to a cease fire.
Won't find any arguments here on Bush's failures.
My impression is Israel recognizes the almost complete lack of U.S.
clout currently in the M.E and has taken matters into their own hands.
I also think it scared the living bejeezus out of them that Hezbollah
(1)was successful in kidnapping Israeli soldiers and (2)is a lot better
equipped than Israel thought. Face it, they've had the best intelligence
agency in the world for years and get caught with their pants down, so to
speak - definitely not a good thing.
That said, I disagree with their actions and also think it will come back
to bite them.
Yes.
The response is insanely disproportionate.
They're destroying Lebanon.
No, they're targeting Hezbollah infrastructure. They are not attacking
Lebanon indiscriminately as a whole.
They bombed all the roads, targeted any vehicles that were on any
roads, THEN leafleted the civilian population to get out.
Meanwhile, the rockets keep
exploding in Israeli cities -- but no one cares about that, because the
people of Israel have built shelters for themselves.
Wrong. People care, but they hold the police to a higher standard than
they do gangs. If YOU want to accept that Israel is a terrorist state and
hold them to that level of responsible behavior, that's entirely up to
you, but the rest of the civilized world expect a bit better from a
sovereign nation than what they've been doing.
Only those who
don't get to a shelter are wounded by the anti-personnel ball bearings
that go flying everywhere when those rockets explode. I don't blame
Israel for doing whatever it takes to get those rocket sites shut down,
though I am truly sorry for the people of Lebanon who have been made to
suffer by the moronic terrorists who purposely hide themselves among
civilians. And by the way, Israel has warned all civilians in southern
Lebanon that they may be in danger if they stay there among the
terrorists who are firing those rockets -- those rockets that *some*
people don't seem to care are purposedly AIMED toward Israeli civilians.
Israel bombed all the roads and started targeting all vehicles long
before warning civilians. I'd say removing their means of egress and then
telling them they're going to be in grave danger is a way of terrorizing
the civilian population
Woods
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30 Jul 2006 08:49:28 PM |
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Woodswun <woodswun@tepidmail.com> Spat the Words
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:19:18 -0700, Steven Douglas wrote:
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 11:56:45 -0700, Marvin The Paranoid Android
wrote:
eric wrote:
Israel was very much behind and supportive of the Iraqi invasion.
Iraq is now a basket-case, embroiled in civil war. Isn't it
obvious that Israel is working towards the demise of the Syrian,
and Iranian leadership as well? Isn't it obvious that the U.S.
is working towards exactly the same goals? This is no secret.
The Neocons, who are joined at the hip with Israel have stated
their agenda publicly for years.
Unfortunately, Syria and Iran are working towards Israel's demise
as well.
Now considering what's happening, and the stupendous failures of
the Bush administration, they're moving ahead towards that goal.
I mean, it's only because of the U.S. that the Security Council
could not pass a resolution to have all sides adhere to a cease
fire.
Won't find any arguments here on Bush's failures.
My impression is Israel recognizes the almost complete lack of
U.S. clout currently in the M.E and has taken matters into their
own hands.
I also think it scared the living bejeezus out of them that
Hezbollah (1)was successful in kidnapping Israeli soldiers and (2)is
a lot better equipped than Israel thought. Face it, they've had the
best intelligence agency in the world for years and get caught with
their pants down, so to speak - definitely not a good thing.
That said, I disagree with their actions and also think it will come
back to bite them.
Yes.
The response is insanely disproportionate.
They're destroying Lebanon.
No, they're targeting Hezbollah infrastructure. They are not attacking
Lebanon indiscriminately as a whole.
They bombed all the roads, targeted any vehicles that were on any
roads, THEN leafleted the civilian population to get out.
Meanwhile, the rockets keep
exploding in Israeli cities -- but no one cares about that, because the
people of Israel have built shelters for themselves.
Wrong. People care, but they hold the police to a higher standard than
they do gangs. If YOU want to accept that Israel is a terrorist state
and hold them to that level of responsible behavior, that's entirely up
to you, but the rest of the civilized world expect a bit better from a
sovereign nation than what they've been doing.
Only those who
don't get to a shelter are wounded by the anti-personnel ball bearings
that go flying everywhere when those rockets explode. I don't blame
Israel for doing whatever it takes to get those rocket sites shut down,
though I am truly sorry for the people of Lebanon who have been made to
suffer by the moronic terrorists who purposely hide themselves among
civilians. And by the way, Israel has warned all civilians in southern
Lebanon that they may be in danger if they stay there among the
terrorists who are firing those rockets -- those rockets that *some*
people don't seem to care are purposedly AIMED toward Israeli
civilians.
Israel bombed all the roads and started targeting all vehicles long
before warning civilians. I'd say removing their means of egress and
then telling them they're going to be in grave danger is a way of
terrorizing the civilian population
I saw the Israeli UN Ambassador this morning on one of the
Sunday politico shows. He said their air-force is only using
a very small percentage (under 10%) of the total fire-power
available to them, and I believe him. That means they are
doing very specific targeted attacks on towns containing
rocket launch sites, known hezbolla locations, highly
suspect vehicles (like its driving away from a rocket
launch site that just fired), etc.
On a different show I saw a map of Beirut and the areas
affected by bombings. Beirut is actually a pretty big
place, and those bomb sites are a tiny fraction of the
city. Lebanon isn't being demolished as some hezbolla
sympathizers may want us to believe.
Finally, from personal memory (the last couple weeks since
this all started) I recall about the 2nd or 3rd day it was
announced leaflets were being dropped advising civilians to
get out of the area (and probably giving instructions on
which way to go), so the leaflet dropping started very
early on. While Israel was bombing some roads in the first
hours, it has only been the last couple days the road
destruction has started on a larger scale.
I'm not really trying to apologise for Israel's actions,
since this is what it is, a large military action against
somewhat intractable enemy, but the IDF isn't quite as
evil as you make them out to be.
Woods
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Woodswun wrote:
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:19:18 -0700, Steven Douglas wrote:
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 11:56:45 -0700, Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
eric wrote:
Israel was very much behind and supportive of the Iraqi invasion. Iraq
is now a basket-case, embroiled in civil war. Isn't it obvious that
Israel is working towards the demise of the Syrian, and Iranian
leadership as well? Isn't it obvious that the U.S. is working towards
exactly the same goals? This is no secret. The Neocons, who are
joined at the hip with Israel have stated their agenda publicly for
years.
Unfortunately, Syria and Iran are working towards Israel's demise as
well.
Now considering what's happening, and the stupendous failures of the
Bush administration, they're moving ahead towards that goal. I mean,
it's only because of the U.S. that the Security Council could not pass
a resolution to have all sides adhere to a cease fire.
Won't find any arguments here on Bush's failures.
My impression is Israel recognizes the almost complete lack of U.S.
clout currently in the M.E and has taken matters into their own hands.
I also think it scared the living bejeezus out of them that Hezbollah
(1)was successful in kidnapping Israeli soldiers and (2)is a lot better
equipped than Israel thought. Face it, they've had the best intelligence
agency in the world for years and get caught with their pants down, so to
speak - definitely not a good thing.
That said, I disagree with their actions and also think it will come back
to bite them.
Yes.
The response is insanely disproportionate.
They're destroying Lebanon.
No, they're targeting Hezbollah infrastructure. They are not attacking
Lebanon indiscriminately as a whole.
They bombed all the roads, targeted any vehicles that were on any
roads, THEN leafleted the civilian population to get out.
Meanwhile, the rockets keep
exploding in Israeli cities -- but no one cares about that, because the
people of Israel have built shelters for themselves.
Wrong. People care,
Not enough.
but they hold the police to a higher standard than
they do gangs. If YOU want to accept that Israel is a terrorist state and
hold them to that level of responsible behavior, that's entirely up to
you, but the rest of the civilized world expect a bit better from a
sovereign nation than what they've been doing.
What, defending themselves? What other nation would allow itself to be
attacked by anti-personnel (ball bearing filled) rockets, and not do
whatever it took to STOP those rockets from being fired? It would be
irresponsible for a government to NOT take whatever action necessary to
get those rockets shut down. But all the world doesn't really care who
started this -- no, that's not important. And the fact Israeli citizens
are being attacked by those rockets is not important. The only thing
that is important is that Israel is defending itself from those rocket
attacks, and for that Israel must be condemned.
Only those who
don't get to a shelter are wounded by the anti-personnel ball bearings
that go flying everywhere when those rockets explode. I don't blame
Israel for doing whatever it takes to get those rocket sites shut down,
though I am truly sorry for the people of Lebanon who have been made to
suffer by the moronic terrorists who purposely hide themselves among
civilians. And by the way, Israel has warned all civilians in southern
Lebanon that they may be in danger if they stay there among the
terrorists who are firing those rockets -- those rockets that *some*
people don't seem to care are purposedly AIMED toward Israeli civilians.
Israel bombed all the roads and started targeting all vehicles long
before warning civilians. I'd say removing their means of egress and then
telling them they're going to be in grave danger is a way of terrorizing
the civilian population
If Israel really wanted to terrorize the civilian population, there
would be thousands dead instead of hundreds. And many of those
"civilian" deaths were likely complicit in the terrorist actions of
Hezbollah. And again, I'm sorry that any innocent person ever has to
die because of the actions of terrorists in their midst. If only the
terrorists would stop attacking Israel, there would be peace -- and the
world could stop blaming Israel for defending itself.
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30 Jul 2006 01:51:08 PM |
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On 30 Jul 2006 06:41:24 -0700, "eric" <ericdavis500@gmail.com> wrote:
It's sad to see that whenever Israel kills civilians,
Eric, you're still a moron, and no one believes anything you say.
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| User: "eric" |
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30 Jul 2006 03:36:54 PM |
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Now that's a convincing argument. Is that the best rejoinder you can
come up with?
The Kat wrote:
On 30 Jul 2006 06:41:24 -0700, "eric" <ericdavis500@gmail.com> wrote:
It's sad to see that whenever Israel kills civilians,
Eric, you're still a moron, and no one believes anything you say.
Lumber Cartel (tinlc) #2063. Spam this account at your own risk.
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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30 Jul 2006 03:24:34 PM |
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eric wrote:
It's sad to see that whenever Israel kills civilians, which it does at
a 10-1 ratio, that it's never on purpose, and always the other sides'
fault. Using civilians as shields, eh? Well they don't seem to be
very good shields now do they.
Even if Israel levels all the cities of Lebanon, stupid, ignorant
people led by the nose of Israeli propoganda, and racism will always
blame the victims.
Israel's day is over. Israel will have to stop the oppression, and
occupation, because fools like you, who always blame the victim are
becoming fewer, and fewer in number. More, and more the world sees
Israel as it is.
Why do you never see Israel as the victim, you closed minded racist?
You're so one way, it's incredible. There is no doubt who started the
conflict that has brought so much pain and suffering to the people of
Lebanon. Why don't you answer my question -- what good has Hezbollah
done for the people of Lebanon by starting this conflict with Israel?
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