Again, it was only a matter of time for the truth to come around. It's more
than just a few generals now. Cry me a river.
"Time For Rumsfeld to Go"
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/foreigndesk/detail?blogid=16&entry_id=10582
On Monday the Army Times, Navy Times, Air Force Times and Marine Corps Times
will run a joint editorial calling for the resignation or removal of the
defense secretary: "Rumsfeld has lost credibility with the uniformed
leadership, with the troops, with Congress and with the public at large. His
strategy has failed, and his ability to lead is compromised. And although
the blame for our failures in Iraq rests with the secretary, it will be the
troops who bear its brunt."
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John Lemke wrote:
Again, it was only a matter of time for the truth to come around. It's more
than just a few generals now. Cry me a river.
"Time For Rumsfeld to Go"
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/foreigndesk/detail?blogid=16&entry_id=10582
On Monday the Army Times, Navy Times, Air Force Times and Marine Corps Times
will run a joint editorial calling for the resignation or removal of the
defense secretary: "Rumsfeld has lost credibility with the uniformed
leadership, with the troops, with Congress and with the public at large. His
strategy has failed, and his ability to lead is compromised. And although
the blame for our failures in Iraq rests with the secretary, it will be the
troops who bear its brunt."
"It's mutiny Mr Christian, mutiny I say!"
"Kindly close your mouth Mr Bligh, and get into the boat."
"Disloyalty, plain and simple. It started with the strawberries..." >klik-klak<
Breaking News, CNN... Saddam found guilty of crimes against humanity, sentenced
to death by hanging. Sunnis in Tikrit swear vengance, Shiites in Baghdad dance
in the streets. Film at 11:00. That's Guilty, Guilty, Guilty! Now it's
definitely time to come home.
Charly
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<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Again, it was only a matter of time for the truth
to come around. It's more
<br>than just a few generals now. Cry me a river.
<p>"Time For Rumsfeld to Go"
<p><a href="http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/foreigndesk/detail?blogid=16&entry_id=10582">http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/foreigndesk/detail?blogid=16&entry_id=10582</a>
<p>On Monday the Army Times, Navy Times, Air Force Times and Marine Corps
Times
<br>will run a joint editorial calling for the resignation or removal of
the
<br>defense secretary: "Rumsfeld has lost credibility with the uniformed
<br>leadership, with the troops, with Congress and with the public at large.
His
<br>strategy has failed, and his ability to lead is compromised. And although
<br>the blame for our failures in Iraq rests with the secretary, it will
be the
<br>troops who bear its brunt."</blockquote>
<p><br>"It's mutiny Mr Christian, mutiny I say!"
<br>"Kindly close your mouth Mr Bligh, and get into the boat."
<p>"Disloyalty, plain and simple. It started with the strawberries..."
klik-klak<
<p>Breaking News, CNN... Saddam found guilty of crimes against humanity,
sentenced to death by hanging. Sunnis in Tikrit swear vengance, Shiites
in Baghdad dance in the streets. Film at 11:00. That's
Guilty, Guilty, Guilty! Now it's definitely time to come
home.
<p>Charly
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| User: "Perseid" |
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04 Nov 2006 06:26:37 PM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "John Lemke"
<jflemke@locallink.net> Spat the Words
Again, it was only a matter of time for the truth to come around. It's
more than just a few generals now. Cry me a river.
"Time For Rumsfeld to Go"
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/foreigndesk/detail?blogid=16&entry_id=105
82
On Monday the Army Times, Navy Times, Air Force Times and Marine Corps
Times will run a joint editorial calling for the resignation or removal
of the defense secretary: "Rumsfeld has lost credibility with the
uniformed leadership, with the troops, with Congress and with the public
at large. His strategy has failed, and his ability to lead is
compromised. And although the blame for our failures in Iraq rests with
the secretary, it will be the troops who bear its brunt."
.... but Bush has said that Rumsfeld will stay put in his position
regardless. Is Bush calling all the heads of the US military services
stupid ?
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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04 Nov 2006 07:56:23 PM |
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John Lemke wrote:
Again, it was only a matter of time for the truth to come around. It's more
than just a few generals now. Cry me a river.
"Time For Rumsfeld to Go"
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/foreigndesk/detail?blogid=16&entry_id=10582
On Monday the Army Times, Navy Times, Air Force Times and Marine Corps Times
will run a joint editorial calling for the resignation or removal of the
defense secretary:
Maybe you can enlighten me -- how many generals are on the editorial
board of the Army Times, Navy Times, Air Force Times and Marine Corps
Times? For that matter, how many military people of any rank are on the
entire staff of those newspapers? Please inform me. Thank you.
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| User: "eric" |
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05 Nov 2006 06:25:39 AM |
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Steven Douglas wrote:
John Lemke wrote:
Again, it was only a matter of time for the truth to come around. It's more
than just a few generals now. Cry me a river.
"Time For Rumsfeld to Go"
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/foreigndesk/detail?blogid=16&entry_id=10582
On Monday the Army Times, Navy Times, Air Force Times and Marine Corps Times
will run a joint editorial calling for the resignation or removal of the
defense secretary:
Maybe you can enlighten me -- how many generals are on the editorial
board of the Army Times, Navy Times, Air Force Times and Marine Corps
Times? For that matter, how many military people of any rank are on the
entire staff of those newspapers? Please inform me. Thank you.
Nobody's been able to enlighten you Steven. You've proven to be
impervious to facts. You ask to be informed, but first you have to
pull your head out of your arse.
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05 Nov 2006 09:19:43 AM |
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"eric" <ericdavis500@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162729539.313641.283130@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Nobody's been able to enlighten you Steven. You've proven to be
impervious to facts. You ask to be informed, but first you have to
pull your head out of your arse.
Did someone say there were military on board these magazines? Does one even
need to be military to recognize incompetence in a Sec Def?
Probably not. Obviously one doesn't need to be a neocon forebear to see
incompetence in a president either.
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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05 Nov 2006 09:55:08 PM |
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John Lemke wrote:
"eric" <ericdavis500@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162729539.313641.283130@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Nobody's been able to enlighten you Steven. You've proven to be
impervious to facts. You ask to be informed, but first you have to
pull your head out of your arse.
Did someone say there were military on board these magazines? Does one even
need to be military to recognize incompetence in a Sec Def?
Oh, I was going by the title you gave this thread, "It's More Than Just
a Few Generals Now." So what DID you mean? That it's now a few generals
AND a civilian editorial board of a civilian owned and operated
publication?
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| User: "Perseid" |
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07 Nov 2006 02:04:25 AM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
John Lemke wrote:
"eric" <ericdavis500@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162729539.313641.283130@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Nobody's been able to enlighten you Steven. You've proven to be
impervious to facts. You ask to be informed, but first you have to
pull your head out of your arse.
Did someone say there were military on board these magazines? Does one
even need to be military to recognize incompetence in a Sec Def?
Oh, I was going by the title you gave this thread, "It's More Than Just
a Few Generals Now." So what DID you mean?
He meant that previously it was just a few retired admirals
and generals speaking out against the Bush Ignorance (perhaps
a dozen or so). Now you've got the editors-in-chief of the
combined Military Times coming out and saying the same stuff.
Which part of this are you having difficulty with, Stephen ?
That it's now a few generals
AND a civilian editorial board of a civilian owned and operated
publication?
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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07 Nov 2006 08:51:01 AM |
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Perseid wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
John Lemke wrote:
"eric" <ericdavis500@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162729539.313641.283130@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Nobody's been able to enlighten you Steven. You've proven to be
impervious to facts. You ask to be informed, but first you have to
pull your head out of your arse.
Did someone say there were military on board these magazines? Does one
even need to be military to recognize incompetence in a Sec Def?
Oh, I was going by the title you gave this thread, "It's More Than Just
a Few Generals Now." So what DID you mean?
He meant that previously it was just a few retired admirals
and generals speaking out against the Bush Ignorance (perhaps
a dozen or so). Now you've got the editors-in-chief of the
combined Military Times coming out and saying the same stuff.
Which part of this are you having difficulty with, Stephen ?
I'm not. As I noted in my response to John (and now I'm asking you as
well), it's now a few generals AND a civilian editorial board of a
civilian owned and operated publication?
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| User: "Perseid" |
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09 Nov 2006 03:16:42 AM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
Perseid wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
John Lemke wrote:
"eric" <ericdavis500@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162729539.313641.283130@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Nobody's been able to enlighten you Steven. You've proven to be
impervious to facts. You ask to be informed, but first you have
to
pull your head out of your arse.
Did someone say there were military on board these magazines? Does
one
even need to be military to recognize incompetence in a Sec Def?
Oh, I was going by the title you gave this thread, "It's More Than
Just
a Few Generals Now." So what DID you mean?
He meant that previously it was just a few retired admirals
and generals speaking out against the Bush Ignorance (perhaps
a dozen or so). Now you've got the editors-in-chief of the
combined Military Times coming out and saying the same stuff.
Which part of this are you having difficulty with, Stephen ?
I'm not. As I noted in my response to John (and now I'm asking you as
well), it's now a few generals AND a civilian editorial board of a
civilian owned and operated publication?
.... and the entire 5 million person military is reading it.
You think those editors would've printed it if they thought
they wouldn't have a receptive audience?
It's waaayyyy more than just a few generals now.
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| User: "John Lemke" |
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09 Nov 2006 06:18:01 AM |
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"Perseid" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9876172D34A61rrfkwrantispamattbic@216.196.97.136...
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
Perseid wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
John Lemke wrote:
"eric" <ericdavis500@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162729539.313641.283130@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Nobody's been able to enlighten you Steven. You've proven to be
impervious to facts. You ask to be informed, but first you have
to
pull your head out of your arse.
Did someone say there were military on board these magazines? Does
one
even need to be military to recognize incompetence in a Sec Def?
Oh, I was going by the title you gave this thread, "It's More Than
Just
a Few Generals Now." So what DID you mean?
He meant that previously it was just a few retired admirals
and generals speaking out against the Bush Ignorance (perhaps
a dozen or so). Now you've got the editors-in-chief of the
combined Military Times coming out and saying the same stuff.
Which part of this are you having difficulty with, Stephen ?
I'm not. As I noted in my response to John (and now I'm asking you as
well), it's now a few generals AND a civilian editorial board of a
civilian owned and operated publication?
... and the entire 5 million person military is reading it.
You think those editors would've printed it if they thought
they wouldn't have a receptive audience?
It's waaayyyy more than just a few generals now.
Well, the list includes the president and Rumsfeld himself now.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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05 Nov 2006 10:13:59 PM |
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John Lemke wrote:
Did someone say there were military on board
these magazines? Does one even need to be
military to recognize incompetence in a Sec
Def?
You all do realize, of course, that no serving military
officer is allowed to criticise Rumsfeld. Rumsfeld is
their superior -- the Secretary of Defense, their boss --
and it would be insubordination for them to speak
out against him and his policies.
No serving officer is allowed to call for Rumsfeld's
resignation. It's against military regulations.
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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06 Nov 2006 10:04:57 PM |
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John Lemke wrote:
Again, it was only a matter of time for the truth to come around. It's more
than just a few generals now. Cry me a river.
Soldiers in Iraq Say Pullout Would Have Devastating Results
By Josh White
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, November 6, 2006
FORWARD OPERATING BASE SYKES, Iraq, Nov. 5 -- For the U.S. troops
fighting in Iraq, the war is alternately violent and hopeful, sometimes
very hot and sometimes very cold. It is dusty and muddy, calm and
chaotic, deafeningly loud and eerily quiet.
The one thing the war is not, however, is finished, dozens of soldiers
across the country said in interviews. And leaving Iraq now would have
devastating consequences, they said. [end excerpt]
Article:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/05/AR2006110500770.html
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07 Nov 2006 02:15:36 AM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
John Lemke wrote:
Again, it was only a matter of time for the truth to come around. It's
more than just a few generals now. Cry me a river.
Soldiers in Iraq Say Pullout Would Have Devastating Results
By Josh White
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, November 6, 2006
Here's another soldier that says the exact opposite. You've been
sold a pack of lies Stephen, by Joseph Goebbels, George Bush,
Adolph Hitler, ***** (Buckshot) Cheney, and the little Troll
Carl Rove.
Begin Quote............................................
This week, we asked our volunteers why they signed up to turn
out voters through Call for Change. We were especially struck
by Ginmar's story and asked her to share it with you. Ginmar
(who asked us not to use her real name) is a reservist in the
Army, but she's writing now only as a private citizen.
Dear fellow MoveOn member,
I believed the lie. As an Army reservist, I went to Iraq to
protect America from weapons of mass destruction. But when I
got there, I soon discovered there were no WMDs and no plan
for us to succeed. I endured 12 months of combat and barely
made it out alive.
We can't change the past. But in two days, we can change the
future. This Republican Congress must be fired because they
are still putting their own egos above the truth—and above
human lives.
This election is our last chance to show what happens when
politicians use fear and lies to start a war. If they get
away with it this time, they'll do it again. But if it costs
them their power, we can send a message to future politicians
in the only language they understand—and stop the next
unnecessary war before it begins. The choice is ours.
On the morning of September 11th, 2001, I watched the attack
on the World Trade Center with a special horror because the
people killed were all civilians without training, arms, or
defense. I called my unit that afternoon and begged, "Wherever
this came from, send me there."
But that's not where they sent me. They sent me to Iraq.
Around a month into my tour, my small unit was ambushed by
hundreds of insurgent fighters at a Coalition Provisional
Authority base. The local security force (hired by corporate
mercenaries) deserted immediately, taking guns and radios
with them.
We were besieged for 22 straight hours under a steady stream
of small arms fire and rocket propelled grenades. Forces from
multiple nations attempted rescues throughout the night. At
dawn, when morning prayers created a pause in the attack, we
managed to escape with our lives.
I spent the next 11 months doing convoys, writing reports, and
getting to know the real Iraq. I talked to hundreds of Iraqis;
many became true friends. I saw the rage after Abu Ghraib. And
I saw way too many innocent civilians die as the country slipped
further and further over the edge.
The troops I served with suffered from limited ammunition,
armor, resources, and staff. While we brushed our teeth in
dirty water recycled from the showers, Halliburton reps got
rich off contracts handed to them by their Republican friends
back in Washington.
Reservists like me risk our lives when Congress says we
must—and we need citizens like you to hold them accountable
when they betray that trust.
This Tuesday is our very last chance to do that. It's the
last chance for Americans to stand up and say we will not
forget, we will not excuse, and we will not let this
betrayal happen again.
For my fellow troops still in the field, for the thousands who
have yet to put on the uniform, and for the hopes we all have
for a peaceful world—it's time to Call for Change.
Respectfully,
–Ginmar, concerned citizen
Sunday, November 5th, 2006
End Quote..............................................
FORWARD OPERATING BASE SYKES, Iraq, Nov. 5 -- For the U.S. troops
fighting in Iraq, the war is alternately violent and hopeful, sometimes
very hot and sometimes very cold. It is dusty and muddy, calm and
chaotic, deafeningly loud and eerily quiet.
The one thing the war is not, however, is finished, dozens of soldiers
across the country said in interviews. And leaving Iraq now would have
devastating consequences, they said. [end excerpt]
Article:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-
dyn/content/article/2006/11/05/AR2006110
500770.html
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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07 Nov 2006 08:54:39 AM |
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Perseid wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
John Lemke wrote:
Again, it was only a matter of time for the truth to come around. It's
more than just a few generals now. Cry me a river.
Soldiers in Iraq Say Pullout Would Have Devastating Results
By Josh White
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, November 6, 2006
Here's another soldier that says the exact opposite.
I don't think it's news that you can find an occasional disgruntled
soldier who agrees with MoveOn's position.
You've been sold a pack of lies Stephen,
I quoted the Washington Post. You're accusing the Washington Post of
lying?
by Joseph Goebbels, George Bush,
Adolph Hitler, ***** (Buckshot) Cheney,
It was birdshot, dummy. There's a big difference, or didn't you know
that?
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| User: "Perseid" |
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09 Nov 2006 03:18:32 AM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
Perseid wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
John Lemke wrote:
Again, it was only a matter of time for the truth to come around. It's
more than just a few generals now. Cry me a river.
Soldiers in Iraq Say Pullout Would Have Devastating Results
By Josh White
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, November 6, 2006
Here's another soldier that says the exact opposite.
I don't think it's news that you can find an occasional disgruntled
soldier who agrees with MoveOn's position.
You also are able to find an occasional grunt who has been
completely brain-washed by the Bush propaganda, as evidenced
by the article you provided.
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04 Nov 2006 06:25:51 PM |
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On Sat, 04 Nov 2006 19:10:35 -0500, John Lemke wrote:
Again, it was only a matter of time for the truth to come around. It's more
than just a few generals now. Cry me a river.
"Time For Rumsfeld to Go"
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/foreigndesk/detail?blogid=16&entry_id=10582
On Monday the Army Times, Navy Times, Air Force Times and Marine Corps Times
will run a joint editorial calling for the resignation or removal of the
defense secretary: "Rumsfeld has lost credibility with the uniformed
leadership, with the troops, with Congress and with the public at large. His
strategy has failed, and his ability to lead is compromised. And although
the blame for our failures in Iraq rests with the secretary, it will be the
troops who bear its brunt."
The troops that have: had their veterans benefits cut; will only
receive a 2.2% pay raise; whose families qualify for WIC and
food stamps ... and the generals get an 8.7% raise instead.
Woods
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