"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.com> wrote in message
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"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message

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Here's a little conundrum for you - hurricanes draw energy from warm

water.

The warmer the water, the more powerful the hurricane. Now then, given

that

global warming is a stone-cold fact it seems reasonable to assume sea
temperatures are going to increase. Hos is this NOT going to lead to

more

powerful hurricanes in future?

Yes, Hurricanes do two things very well. They bleed off excessive heat

from the oceans and bring

nourishment from the sea bed. Think of them as huge refrigeration and

fertilizing units for the the

oceans and shoreline. We've seen patterns like this in the gulf before.

Hurricane history has shown

a cycle of activity occuring in spurts. I heard a hurricane expert discuss

the warm water issue. He

said the high gulf temps have been overly hyped. It's only the surface

temps that have been running

higher than average. Dig a little deeper, where hurricanes pull their

energy, and temps are only

marginally higher.

Hardly surprising, given convection. If the water really is significantly
warmer lower down then that represents one HELL of a lot of warming..

There's a lot of theories about why the earth is warming.

See, you are a gobal warming "believer" too.

Sun activity, release of methane from the sea bed, fossil fuel burning,

etc. I lean toward it being a natural occurance.

*IF* the "hockey stick" observation is correct (or significant) then it
appears the warming accelerated co-incidentally with widespread
industrialisation. I'm a long way from convinced - I lean towards it being
an effect of our polluting, if only because that would be erring on the side
of safety.

Still, I think clean and more efficent use of power is necessary. Say what

you want about America.

We started the whole idea of cleaner automobiles. For many years Euro cars

needed to be retrofitted

with smog controls before they could be registered here.

Yep, California was pretty much first with clean air acts, wasn't it?

If it weren't for a certain movie, we'd be heavy into nuclear power right

now. Clean and efficent. The new energy bill does reopen the whole

nuclear issue.

Indeed. It's sort of amusing to watch the Greens have to turn around and
start SUGGESTING nuclear power! Makes me very angry thogh - if the silly
luddites hadn't made such a fuss about it to begin with, we'd wouldn't have
the reliance on oil/coal fired power (and associtaed poluutants) that we
have now, and electricity woudl probably be produced so cheaply there'd be
no point metering it. I've mentioned it before, but over 'ere they have just
shut down a nuclear power station (which has never had even the slightest
incident) and to take up the load they're importing electricity. From teh
former DDR. Wher ethey generat power using brown coal, the single biggest
cause of acid rain in Europe.

I think the world as a whole needs to develop more fuel efficent vehicles

and ways to produce clear

power. The Kyoto treaty was a joke. It was a symbolic measure.

I agree that its main imporatnce was symbolism, or a jumping-off point for
dialogue.

The USA couldn't ever adopt such a treaty without destroying its economy.

While I'm not big on taxes, perhaps a higher user tax is in

order for gasoline. $4 per gallon seems to be the tipping point for most

people.

That's cheap! It's over 90 pence a litre in Britain right now.

It would force the auto companies into developing and building more

advanced hybrids and bring mass transit into play.

It's a balancing act here in America. We got a lot of land and we're

heavily industrialized. Trucks

remain the main stay for transit of goods. Higher fuel taxes would impact

heavily on prices for both

domestic and imported goods. That's not good for anybody, but something

has to get the market forces

into action and create a demand for more fuel efficency. Personally I'm

pleased to see these higher

fuel prices. It's about time we begin to face reality worldwide. The days

of cheap energy are over.

The key is to move more away from the consumption based western economy

that began after the war.

Conservation and better use of power won't do it alone. Western economies

need either an entirely

new form of energy or a complete collapse of what's in place now. The

consumption based economy is

competely unsustainable at today's pace.

Agree with pretty much all the above.

See, I believe in better use of energy for different reasons other than

the global warming hoax..

Hmm.. earlier you admitted that global warming existed, now you call it a
hoax! Interesting...

"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.com> wrote in message
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"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message
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Here's a little conundrum for you - hurricanes draw energy from warm
water.
The warmer the water, the more powerful the hurricane. Now then, given
that
global warming is a stone-cold fact it seems reasonable to assume sea
temperatures are going to increase. Hos is this NOT going to lead to

powerful hurricanes in future?

Yes, Hurricanes do two things very well. They bleed off excessive heat
from the oceans and bring nourishment from the sea bed. Think of them as
huge refrigeration and fertilizing units for the the oceans and

We've seen patterns like this in the gulf before. Hurricane history has
shown a cycle of activity occuring in spurts. I heard a hurricane expert
discuss the warm water issue. He said the high gulf temps have been

hyped. It's only the surface temps that have been running higher than
average. Dig a little deeper, where hurricanes pull their energy, and
temps are only marginally higher. There's a lot of theories about why

earth is warming. Sun activity, release of methane from the sea bed,
fossil fuel burning, etc. I lean toward it being a natural occurance.
Still, I think clean and more efficent use of power is necessary. Say

you want about America. We started the whole idea of cleaner

For many years Euro cars needed to be retrofitted with smog controls
before they could be registered here. If it weren't for a certain movie,
we'd be heavy into nuclear power right now. Clean and efficent. The new
energy bill does reopen the whole nuclear issue.

I think the world as a whole needs to develop more fuel efficent

and ways to produce clear power. The Kyoto treaty was a joke. It was a
symbolic measure. The USA couldn't ever adopt such a treaty without
destroying its economy. While I'm not big on taxes, perhaps a higher

tax is in order for gasoline. $4 per gallon seems to be the tipping

for most people. It would force the auto companies into developing and
building more advanced hybrids and bring mass transit into play. It's a
balancing act here in America. We got a lot of land and we're heavily
industrialized. Trucks remain the main stay for transit of goods. Higher
fuel taxes would impact heavily on prices for both domestic and imported
goods. That's not good for anybody, but something has to get the market
forces into action and create a demand for more fuel efficency.

I'm pleased to see these higher fuel prices. It's about time we begin to
face reality worldwide. The days of cheap energy are over.

The key is to move more away from the consumption based western economy
that began after the war. Conservation and better use of power won't do

alone. Western economies need either an entirely new form of energy or a
complete collapse of what's in place now. The consumption based economy

competely unsustainable at today's pace.

See, I believe in better use of energy for different reasons other than
the global warming hoax..

Very good post, dreamwalker.

Jane