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User:	"TonyZ2001"
Date:	10 Feb 2004 07:32:54 AM
Object:	Kerry Photo Shocker: Candidate Teamed Up With 'Hanoi' Jane Fonda

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/2/9/134218.shtml
Monday, Feb. 9, 2004 1:45 p.m. EST
Kerry Photo Shocker: Candidate Teamed Up With 'Hanoi' Jane Fonda
Jane Fonda and John Kerry at an anti-war rally in Valley Forge, Pa. (Corbis
Images)
A photo seemingly showing Democratic presidential front-runner John Kerry
protesting the Vietnam War with anti-American actress "Hanoi Jane" Fonda - the
photo Dems fear most - exists, and has been obtained by NewsMax.com.
On Labor Day weekend 1970, Kerry - then a rising star with Vietnam Veteran
Against the War - teamed up with Fonda as the two headlined an ugly anti-war in
rally in Valley Forge, Pa., railing against U.S. policy in Southeast Asia from
the back of the same flatbed truck.
The photo shows "Hanoi Jane" listening raptly as speakers denounced American
soldiers for committing "genocide" in Vietnam and accusing the U.S. of
"international racism."
Three rows behind 'Hanoi Jane" sits a man who bears a striking resemblance to
the Democratic presidential front-runner.
According to Corbis Images, which owns the image, the photo was taken at the
same 1970 Valley Forge protest that turned Sen. Kerry into an anti-war star.
Douglas Brinkley's biography "Tour of Duty" chronicles Kerry's exploits at
Valley Forge, where he reportedly followed Fonda onto the back of that pick-up
truck to deliver his own diatribe against the war in Vietnam.
"We are here because we above all others have earned the right to criticize the
war on Southeast Asia," Kerry shouted into the microphone, as Fonda and the
crowd cheered wildly.
"By the time [Kerry] hopped off that pick-up truck to thunderous applause,"
writes Brinkley, "he was the new leader of the VVAW by popular default."
The Massachusetts Democrat's speech also cemented his alliance with Fonda, and
the two traveled to Detroit to organize a January 1971 event they called the
"Winter Soldier Investigation."
At a Detroit motel, Kerry and Fonda assembled a myriad of disgruntled witnesses
claiming to be Vietnam vets, each with his own story of American atrocities.
According to Jug Burkett, whose landmark Vietnam war history "Stolen Valor"
chronicles some of Kerry's anti-war misadventures, Fonda played a key role at
the Detroit event.
"There's no doubt that Jane Fonda financed the Winter Soldier hearings,"
Burkett told NewsMax on Monday.
He said that several of the witnesses who testified at the protest's "hearings"
later turned out to be complete impostors.
The event prompted "Hanoi Jane" to "adopt" Kerry's group "as her leading
cause," writes Brinkley. It was at Kerry's Winter Soldier protest that the
anti-American actress met her future husband, Students for a Democratic Society
radical Tom Hayden.
The next year Fonda was off to Hanoi, where she mounted an anti-aircraft
battery and pretended to shoot down American pilots.
Of Kerry, Burkett told NewsMax, "Any Vietnam veteran who knows what Kerry did
after he came home from Vietnam is definitely not a fan of John Kerry."
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User: "Absolute Zero"
Title: Re: Kerry Photo Shocker: Candidate Teamed Up With 'Hanoi' Jane Fonda	17 Feb 2004 01:52:47 PM

"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message news:20040210083254.24620.00001696@mb-m13.aol.com...

Quelle surprise n'est pas, the photo's a fraud. A real shocker,
NewsMax strikes again.
-A
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User: "no"
Title: Re: Kerry Photo Shocker: Candidate Teamed Up With 'Hanoi' Jane Fonda	17 Feb 2004 06:32:37 PM

(Absolute Zero) wrote in message news:<ad960a96.0402171152.473eadf6@posting.google.com>...

"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message news:20040210083254.24620.00001696@mb-m13.aol.com...

Quelle surprise n'est pas, the photo's a fraud. A real shocker,
NewsMax strikes again.

You mean photos can be faked? That's terrible. That means Batboy
doesn't really exist. That means so many of the celebrity photos on
tabloid covers could be faked. Thew world isn't safe anymore.

-A

User: "sUSAn B Anthony"
Title: Re: Kerry Photo Shocker: Candidate Teamed Up With 'Hanoi' JaneFonda	17 Feb 2004 07:58:50 PM

No wrote:
You mean photos can be faked? That's
terrible.

Photos, orgasms, proof of WMD,
b(o(O)bs that jump out at you.
It's the age of TECH-NO-TERRORISM!

That means Batboy doesn't
really exist. That means so many of the
celebrity photos on tabloid covers could
be faked.
Thew world isn't safe anymore.

Thay it ithn't tho!
sUSAn
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User: "TonyZ2001"
Title: Re: Kerry Photo Shocker: Candidate Teamed Up With 'Hanoi' Jane Fonda	19 Feb 2004 06:41:42 AM

AmyCaton@GoFree.indigo.ie

wrote:

Quelle surprise n'est pas, the photo's a >fraud.

LOL!!!
Only in your very vivid imagination.
Tony
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User: "sUSAn B Anthony"
Title: Re: Kerry Photo Shocker: Candidate Teamed Up With 'Hanoi' JaneFonda	19 Feb 2004 07:25:00 AM

It is real.
http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/kerry.asp
but.....
Jane Fonda had this to say about the picture:
My reaction is that the American people have had it with the big lie.
Any attempt to link Kerry to me and make him look bad with that
connection is completely false.
We were at a rally for veterans at the same time. I spoke, Donald
Sutherland spoke, John Kerry spoke at the end. I don't even think we
shook hands. And they're also saying this organization, the Vietnam
Veterans Against the War, was a Communist organization. This was an
organization of men who risked their lives in Vietnam, who considered
themselves totally patriotic. So anyone who slams that organization and
slams Kerry for being part of it is doing an injustice to veterans.
How can you impugn, how can you even suggest, that anyone like Kerry or
any of these veterans were not patriotic? He was a hero there.
(A similar but fabricated image has since surfaced on the Internet.)
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User: "Jack Nichols"
Title: Re: Kerry Photo Shocker: Candidate Teamed Up With 'Hanoi' Jane Fonda	17 Feb 2004 04:21:03 PM

How do you defend yourself against absurd charges when exculpatory
evidence is destroyed?
http://www.geocities.com/botenth/murder.htm
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User: "Leigh_Bee"
Title: Re: Kerry Photo Shocker: Candidate Teamed Up With 'Hanoi' Jane Fonda	12 Feb 2004 04:50:21 PM

(TonyZ2001) wrote in message news:<20040210083254.24620.00001696@mb-m13.aol.com>...

Yes but when you think about it, there are 3 major memories of Vietnam
1) Jane Fonda shows true "artiste" and goes to Hanoi.
2) William Calley and Mi Lai.
3) Carpet bombing and use of defoliants.
If one was an Oz; Tet and Nui Dat, Long tan
We were free then!
LB
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User: "Woodswun"
Title: Re: Kerry Photo Shocker: Candidate Teamed Up With 'Hanoi' Jane Fonda	12 Feb 2004 05:02:48 PM

In article <39cd5fe.0402121450.18c287ef@posting.google.com>,

(Leigh_Bee) wrote:

tonyz2001@aol.com (TonyZ2001) wrote in message
news:<20040210083254.24620.00001696@mb-m13.aol.com>...

the

photo Dems fear most - exists, and has been obtained by NewsMax.com.

On Labor Day weekend 1970, Kerry - then a rising star with Vietnam Veteran
Against the War - teamed up with Fonda as the two headlined an ugly anti-war

rally in Valley Forge, Pa., railing against U.S. policy in Southeast Asia

from

the back of the same flatbed truck.

The photo shows "Hanoi Jane" listening raptly as speakers denounced American
soldiers for committing "genocide" in Vietnam and accusing the U.S. of
"international racism."

SNIP

Yes but when you think about it, there are 3 major memories of Vietnam
1) Jane Fonda shows true "artiste" and goes to Hanoi.

I honestly didn't remember that at all.

2) William Calley and Mi Lai.

Yup, remembered that. < cringe >

3) Carpet bombing and use of defoliants.

You forgot the use of napalm on villages full of old men, women and children,
and illegally using Laos to stage attacks.
Woods
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User: "sUSAn B Anthony"
Title: Re: Kerry Photo Shocker: Candidate Teamed Up With 'Hanoi' JaneFonda	14 Feb 2004 11:56:35 PM

tonyz2001@aol.com (TonyZ2001) wrote:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/2/9/134218.shtml
Hey look directly behind Kerry! Isn't that Forrest Gump?

Kerry Photo Shocker: Candidate Teamed
Up With 'Hanoi' Jane Fonda

User: "bollogs"
Title: Re: Kerry Photo Shocker: Candidate Teamed Up With 'Hanoi' Jane Fonda	15 Feb 2004 07:39:49 AM

(sUSAn B Anthony) wrote in message news:<3908-402F0A13-147@storefull-3214.bay.webtv.net>...

tonyz2001@aol.com (TonyZ2001) wrote:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/2/9/134218.shtml

Hey look directly behind Kerry! Isn't that Forrest Gump?

Forrest Gump, Jane Fonda, Mickey Mouse...who gives a toss who was in
the picture with him? If you seppo's refuse to vote for him because he
was in a photo with Jane Fonda, and vote back the monkey instead, then
my worst fears will be proved right...that you really are a bunch of
fuckin' eejits!
Lucky pantyboy, the one who posted this crap, isin't running for
president. I wonder what the seppo's would make of his newsgroup
scouring trying desperately to get his 8incher into some poor girl's
mouth.
He should take up backgammon :-)
WH
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User: "sUSAn B Anthony"
Title: Re: Kerry Photo Shocker: Candidate Teamed Up With 'Hanoi' JaneFonda	15 Feb 2004 11:34:40 PM

WH wrote:

sUSAn wrote:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/2/9/134218.shtml

Hey look directly behind Kerry! Isn't that
Forrest Gump?

Jeezus ChrisT! Getta hold of yourself man!
What exactly was in MY POST that set you off?
In the movie "Forrest Gump" thru trick photography, they put Forrest
Gump's picture in with notable historical scenes like with JFK, Nixon,
etc....
Get it? ;)
If you ask me? This photo is not damaging AT ALL to Kerry.
Maybe next they will super-impose John Kerry over Jane Fonda's body
posing with Viet-Cong.
Expect much of the same BS for the next 8 months. It just shows they are
desperate and scared.
Remember! Either you're with Bush.....or not!
sUSAn

User: "Saint Isidore of Laytonville"
Title: Re: Kerry Photo Shocker: Candidate Teamed Up With 'Hanoi' Jane Fonda	10 Feb 2004 02:25:46 PM

He's got my vote!
The Psychedelick Pope
Saint Isidore of Laytonville
^�^ Patron Saint of the Internet ^�^
��^�^ ��
http://apple2.org.za/gswv/me

AOXOMOXOA and ENESSA QUA ONNICA
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User: "Saint Isidore of Laytonville"
Title: Re: Kerry Photo Shocker: Candidate Teamed Up With 'Hanoi' Jane Fonda	10 Feb 2004 02:29:27 PM

I just discovered that *newsmax.com/*
is owned by the bush family.
The Psychedelick Pope
Saint Isidore of Laytonville
^�^ Patron Saint of the Internet ^�^
��^�^ ��
http://apple2.org.za/gswv/me

AOXOMOXOA and ENESSA QUA ONNICA
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User: "Woodswun"
Title: Re: Kerry Photo Shocker: Candidate Teamed Up With 'Hanoi' Jane Fonda	10 Feb 2004 04:35:17 PM

In article <20040210083254.24620.00001696@mb-m13.aol.com>,

(TonyZ2001) wrote:

Um .... so? I think everyone is now agreed that our involvement in Viet Nam was
the wrong thing to do. Just shows he was right 34 years ago.
Woods
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User: "Ex."
Title: Re: Kerry Photo Shocker: Candidate Teamed Up With 'Hanoi' Jane Fonda	10 Feb 2004 08:28:41 PM

"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:F0dWb.57639$%72.16607@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
: In article <20040210083254.24620.00001696@mb-m13.aol.com>,
tonyz2001@aol.com (TonyZ2001) wrote:
: >http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/2/9/134218.shtml
: >
: >Monday, Feb. 9, 2004 1:45 p.m. EST
: >Kerry Photo Shocker: Candidate Teamed Up With 'Hanoi' Jane Fonda
: >
: >Jane Fonda and John Kerry at an anti-war rally in Valley Forge, Pa.
(Corbis
: >Images)
: >
: >A photo seemingly showing Democratic presidential front-runner John Kerry
: >protesting the Vietnam War with anti-American actress "Hanoi Jane"
Fonda - the
: >photo Dems fear most - exists, and has been obtained by NewsMax.com.
: >
: >On Labor Day weekend 1970, Kerry - then a rising star with Vietnam
Veteran
: >Against the War - teamed up with Fonda as the two headlined an ugly
anti-war in
: >rally in Valley Forge, Pa., railing against U.S. policy in Southeast Asia
from
: >the back of the same flatbed truck.
:
: Um .... so? I think everyone is now agreed that our involvement in Viet
Nam was
: the wrong thing to do. Just shows he was right 34 years ago.
yes ... but I still would've preferred that they had at least sent Dubya ...
.

User: "TonyZ2001"
Title: Re: Kerry Photo Shocker: Candidate Teamed Up With 'Hanoi' Jane Fonda	11 Feb 2004 04:31:39 AM

woodswun@tepidmail.com

wrote:

tonyz2001@aol.com (TonyZ2001) wrote:

the

rally in Valley Forge, Pa., railing against U.S. policy in Southeast Asia

from

the back of the same flatbed truck.

Um .... so? I think everyone is now agreed that our involvement in Viet Nam
was
the wrong thing to do. Just shows he was right 34 years ago.

Woods

What are you talking about?
Treason is never right, Hanoi Jane went to visit the enemy and to comfort them
during a time of war.
Vietnam Vet's hate this woman with a passion, and if it is shown that Kerry was
an associate of her's, it will bring him down.
Tony
.

User: "Woodswun"
Title: Re: Kerry Photo Shocker: Candidate Teamed Up With 'Hanoi' Jane Fonda	11 Feb 2004 05:41:12 PM

In article <20040211053139.19352.00001067@mb-m26.aol.com>,

(TonyZ2001) wrote:

woodswun@tepidmail.com

wrote:

(TonyZ2001) wrote:

the

rally in Valley Forge, Pa., railing against U.S. policy in Southeast Asia

from

the back of the same flatbed truck.

Um .... so? I think everyone is now agreed that our involvement in Viet Nam
was
the wrong thing to do. Just shows he was right 34 years ago.

Woods

What are you talking about?

Treason is never right, Hanoi Jane went to visit the enemy and to comfort them
during a time of war.

Vietnam Vet's hate this woman with a passion, and if it is shown that Kerry was
an associate of her's, it will bring him down.

We weren't talking about Jane, we were talking about Kerry. (Besides, Jane
visited Hanoi well after the photo was taken, so he had no idea what she would
eventually be doing, assuming it was ever considered "treason". If you'd read
the article, you'd know that.)
Woods
.

User: "Cardinal Chunder"
Title: Re: Kerry Photo Shocker: Candidate Teamed Up With 'Hanoi' Jane Fonda	11 Feb 2004 02:02:59 PM

TonyZ2001 wrote:

What are you talking about?

Treason is never right, Hanoi Jane went to visit the enemy and to comfort them
during a time of war.

And Kerry is involved how?
Oh yes, someone who may or may not have been him was in the same frame
as her in a picture taken at a mass rally a year before she went to
North Vietnam. And Kerry, being a veteran was opposed to the war so
therefore he must have agreed with everything Jana Fonda said before,
during or after!
Such damning logic!

Vietnam Vet's hate this woman with a passion, and if it is shown that Kerry was
an associate of her's, it will bring him down.

Assuming your blanket statement to be true (which it obviously isn't
unless you're saying Kerry hates her with a passion), this feeble
article will not bring him down in the slightest. Of course it wouldn't
the first time you've contradicted yourself, so maybe you did count
Kerry as one of the Vietname vets who hate her?
Besides, I wonder what veterans think in general of George 'mission
accomplished' Bush's impressive military record compared to a highly
decorated veteran like Kerry. It seems to me that he has far less to
worry about than some Ivy Leaguer who went AWOL for an entire year from
a cushy home defence role that daddy got for him.
In fact, I predict (since this is apn) that words like chickenhawk,
coward and AWOL will fly thick and fast towards Bush & cronies if Kerry
becomes the Democratic candidate. Unlike Clinton, Kerry has nothing to
be concerned about in that regard.
.

User: "Steven Douglas"
Title: Re: Kerry Photo Shocker: Candidate Teamed Up With 'Hanoi' Jane Fonda	11 Feb 2004 11:08:46 PM

Cardinal Chunder <cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote in message news:<c0e1pj01h8d@enews2.newsguy.com>...

TonyZ2001 wrote:

What are you talking about?

Treason is never right, Hanoi Jane went to visit the enemy and to comfort them
during a time of war.

And Kerry is involved how?

Oh yes, someone who may or may not have been him was in the same frame
as her in a picture taken at a mass rally a year before she went to
North Vietnam. And Kerry, being a veteran was opposed to the war so
therefore he must have agreed with everything Jana Fonda said before,
during or after!

Such damning logic!

Vietnam Vet's hate this woman with a passion, and if it is shown that Kerry was
an associate of her's, it will bring him down.

Assuming your blanket statement to be true (which it obviously isn't
unless you're saying Kerry hates her with a passion), this feeble
article will not bring him down in the slightest. Of course it wouldn't
the first time you've contradicted yourself, so maybe you did count
Kerry as one of the Vietname vets who hate her?

Besides, I wonder what veterans think in general of George 'mission
accomplished' Bush's impressive military record compared to a highly
decorated veteran like Kerry. It seems to me that he has far less to
worry about than some Ivy Leaguer who went AWOL for an entire year from
a cushy home defence role that daddy got for him.

Kerry is an Ivy Leaguer too. And Bush was released from his cushy home
defense role with an Honorable Discharge. I assure you, they don't
give Honorable Discharges to anyone who went AWOL for a year -- no
matter WHO their daddy is. And by the way, daddy was a little known
Congressman back then.

In fact, I predict (since this is apn) that words like chickenhawk,
coward and AWOL will fly thick and fast towards Bush & cronies if Kerry
becomes the Democratic candidate. Unlike Clinton, Kerry has nothing to
be concerned about in that regard.

Here's what Kerry has to say on this topic:
"I am saddened by the fact that Vietnam has yet again been inserted
into the campaign, and that it has been inserted in what I feel to be
the worst possible way. By that I mean that yesterday, during this
presidential campaign, and even throughout recent times, Vietnam has
been discussed and written about without an adequate statement of its
full meaning.
"What is ignored is the way in which our experience during that period
reflected in part a positive affirmation of American values and
history, not simply the more obvious negatives of loss and confusion.
"What is missing is a recognition that there exists today a generation
that has come into its own with powerful lessons learned, with a voice
that has been grounded in experiences both of those who went to
Vietnam and those who did not.
"What is missing and what cries out to be said is that neither one
group nor the other from that difficult period of time has cornered
the market on virtue or rectitude or love of country.
"What saddens me most is that Democrats, above all those who shared
the agonies of that generation, should now be refighting the many
conflicts of Vietnam in order to win the current political conflict of
a presidential primary.
�
"The race for the White House should be about leadership, and
leadership requires that one help heal the wounds of Vietnam, not
reopen them; that one help identify the positive things that we
learned about ourselves and about our nation, not play to the
divisions and differences of that crucible of our generation.
"We do not need to divide America over who served and how. I have
personally always believed that many served in many different ways.
Someone who was deeply against the war in 1969 or 1970 may well have
served their country with equal passion and patriotism by opposing the
war as by fighting in it. Are we now, 20 years or 30 years later, to
forget the difficulties of that time, of families that were literally
torn apart, of brothers who ceased to talk to brothers, of fathers who
disowned their sons, of people who felt compelled to leave the country
and forget their own future and turn against the will of their own
aspirations?
"Are we now to descend, like latter-day Spiro Agnews, and play, as he
did, to the worst instincts of divisiveness and reaction that still
haunt America? Are we now going to create a new scarlet letter in the
context of Vietnam?
"Certainly, those who went to Vietnam suffered greatly. I have argued
for years, since I returned myself in 1969, that they do deserve
special affection and gratitude for service. And, indeed, I think
everything I have tried to do since then has been to fight for their
rights and recognition.
"But while those who served are owed special recognition, that
recognition should not come at the expense of others; nor does it
require that others be victimized or criticized or said to have
settled for a lesser standard. To divide our party or our country over
this issue today, in 1992, simply does not do justice to what all of
us went through during that tragic and turbulent time.
�
"I would like to make a simple and straightforward appeal, an appeal
from my heart, as well as from my head. To all those currently
pursuing the presidency in both parties, I would plead that they
simply look at America. We are a nation crying out for leadership, for
someone who will bring us together and raise our sights. We are a
nation looking for someone who will lift our spirits and give us
confidence that together we can grow out of this recession and conquer
the myriad of social ills we have at home.
"We do not need more division. We certainly do not need something as
complex and emotional as Vietnam reduced to simple campaign rhetoric.
What has been said has been said, Mr. President, but I hope and pray
we will put it behind us and go forward in a constructive spirit for
the good of our party and the good of our country."
From the editorial page of the WSJ (Feb. 5, 2004):
Sen. Kerry delivered this speech on the Senate floor Feb. 27, 1992.
The previous day, Sen. Bob Kerrey, a Vietnam veteran and candidate for
the Democratic presidential nomination, spoke in Atlanta, where he
criticized fellow candidate Bill Clinton for his lack of military
service during Vietnam.)
.

User: "Cardinal Chunder"
Title: Re: Kerry Photo Shocker: Candidate Teamed Up With 'Hanoi' Jane Fonda	12 Feb 2004 01:29:45 PM

Steven Douglas wrote:

Cardinal Chunder <cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote in message news:<c0e1pj01h8d@enews2.newsguy.com>...

TonyZ2001 wrote:

What are you talking about?

Treason is never right, Hanoi Jane went to visit the enemy and to comfort them
during a time of war.

And Kerry is involved how?

Oh yes, someone who may or may not have been him was in the same frame
as her in a picture taken at a mass rally a year before she went to
North Vietnam. And Kerry, being a veteran was opposed to the war so
therefore he must have agreed with everything Jana Fonda said before,
during or after!

Such damning logic!

Vietnam Vet's hate this woman with a passion, and if it is shown that Kerry was
an associate of her's, it will bring him down.

Assuming your blanket statement to be true (which it obviously isn't
unless you're saying Kerry hates her with a passion), this feeble
article will not bring him down in the slightest. Of course it wouldn't
the first time you've contradicted yourself, so maybe you did count
Kerry as one of the Vietname vets who hate her?

Besides, I wonder what veterans think in general of George 'mission
accomplished' Bush's impressive military record compared to a highly
decorated veteran like Kerry. It seems to me that he has far less to
worry about than some Ivy Leaguer who went AWOL for an entire year from
a cushy home defence role that daddy got for him.

Kerry is an Ivy Leaguer too.

Not one who used his status or background to weasel out of active service.

And Bush was released from his cushy home
defense role with an Honorable Discharge. I assure you, they don't
give Honorable Discharges to anyone who went AWOL for a year -- no
matter WHO their daddy is. And by the way, daddy was a little known
Congressman back then.

Well some people disagree with you:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,13918,1146191,00.html?=rss

Here's what Kerry has to say on this topic:

In 1992. I'm sure this concilliatory tone had much to do with Clinton's
less than stellar background, but the tables have turned now. Rightly
not, Bush is going to be hauled across the coals this time around. He's
gotten one free pass but not this time I think, especially if he goes up
against a genuine veteran.
.

User: "Steven Douglas"
Title: Re: Kerry Photo Shocker: Candidate Teamed Up With 'Hanoi' Jane Fonda	12 Feb 2004 11:06:22 PM

Cardinal Chunder <cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote in message news:<c0gk7801a6n@enews4.newsguy.com>...

Steven Douglas wrote:

Well some people disagree with you:

Daddy was a freshman congressman at the time. Freshman congressmen are
hardly influential, since they are required in their first 2 year term
to be seen and not heard (for the most part). No one outside of one
small part of Texas probably even knew of Congressman Bush at that
time. There are over 400 members of the House of Representatives, and
most are not well known beyond their own district -- especially those
who are in their first term.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,13918,1146191,00.html?=rss

[quoting the article] "He did not use political influence. He did all
the things required," insists Walter Staudt, a retired National Guard
colonel who was Bush's commanding officer. "I interviewed all the
kids, and if I thought they had promise, sent them through the chain,"
Staudt says. [end quote]

Here's what Kerry has to say on this topic:

I'm the first to commend Senator Kerry's valor. But before you think
all veterans are going to rush to his side, you should keep in mind
that many veterans are not happy with some of his post-service
activities.
.

User: "Woodswun"
Title: Re: Kerry Photo Shocker: Candidate Teamed Up With 'Hanoi' Jane Fonda	12 Feb 2004 05:00:45 PM

In article <c0gk7801a6n@enews4.newsguy.com>, c_chunder_S_P_@A_M.foiler.yahoo.co.uk wrote:

Steven Douglas wrote:

Cardinal Chunder <cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote in message

news:<c0e1pj01h8d@enews2.newsguy.com>...

TonyZ2001 wrote:

What are you talking about?

Treason is never right, Hanoi Jane went to visit the enemy and to comfort

them

during a time of war.

And Kerry is involved how?

Oh yes, someone who may or may not have been him was in the same frame
as her in a picture taken at a mass rally a year before she went to
North Vietnam. And Kerry, being a veteran was opposed to the war so
therefore he must have agreed with everything Jana Fonda said before,
during or after!

Such damning logic!

Vietnam Vet's hate this woman with a passion, and if it is shown that Kerry

was

an associate of her's, it will bring him down.

Assuming your blanket statement to be true (which it obviously isn't
unless you're saying Kerry hates her with a passion), this feeble
article will not bring him down in the slightest. Of course it wouldn't
the first time you've contradicted yourself, so maybe you did count
Kerry as one of the Vietname vets who hate her?

Besides, I wonder what veterans think in general of George 'mission
accomplished' Bush's impressive military record compared to a highly
decorated veteran like Kerry. It seems to me that he has far less to
worry about than some Ivy Leaguer who went AWOL for an entire year from
a cushy home defence role that daddy got for him.

Kerry is an Ivy Leaguer too.

Not one who used his status or background to weasel out of active service.

It was pretty common for everyone to use any means possible to get out of
serving in Nam. I see no reason whatsoever to hold his use of position and
connections to accomplish that end against him.
Don't like him misrepresenting his service record, but that's an integrity
issue, not a 'weasel out of active service' issue.

Well some people disagree with you:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,13918,1146191,00.html?=rss

Here's what Kerry has to say on this topic:

Depends on the audience. I'd hazard a guess that most Boomers who are honest
with themselves would just accept past drug use and/or avoiding military service
in a Presidential candidate - just don't be a darned hypocrite about them.
Woods
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User: "Gerald"
Title: Re: Kerry Photo Shocker: Candidate Teamed Up With 'Hanoi' Jane Fonda	14 Feb 2004 09:55:06 PM

In article <20040210083254.24620.00001696@mb-m13.aol.com>, TonyZ2001 says...

I only have two comments on this.
I participated in a peace march protesting the Vietnam war in 1968. Afterward
there was a nice live music presentation in the park. Two things stick in my
memory; the heavy police presence with long clubs hanging from their belts and
the seeming omnipresence of men in black and dark grey suits taking our pictures
from the initial assembly place until we reached the park. Therefore two
questions. Was the photo of Jane and John a government (FBI) photo and if so
how was it obtained? I've heard it said that photographic evidence is no longer
trustworthy because photos can be doctored so well. Is this convenient photo
with Jane and John a doctored picture?
The above merely concerns the usual scurrilous dirty tricks which the
Republicans excel at. My real attitude is: so what? Who in their right mind
was not against that corrupt pathetic war, a war that so dishonored America? I
am certainly not sorry regarding my own protest participation or any of the
futile letters i wrote concerning it. The people who thougt the war was a good
idea, such as bii, are the ones who ought to be ashamed. Especially if they
signed on for soft duty to escape it and even then may not have complied with
the easy requirements of the Guard.
May we all be alert for Republican lies in the campaign.
Gerald
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User: "Grantland"
Title: Re: Kerry Photo Shocker: Candidate Teamed Up With 'Hanoi' Jane Fonda	14 Feb 2004 10:46:09 PM

Gerald <Gerald_member@newsguy.com> wrote:

I only have two comments on this.

I participated in a peace march protesting the Vietnam war in 1968. Afterward
there was a nice live music presentation in the park. Two things stick in my
memory; the heavy police presence with long clubs hanging from their belts and
the seeming omnipresence of men in black and dark grey suits taking our pictures
from the initial assembly place until we reached the park. Therefore two
questions. Was the photo of Jane and John a government (FBI) photo and if so
how was it obtained? I've heard it said that photographic evidence is no longer
trustworthy because photos can be doctored so well. Is this convenient photo
with Jane and John a doctored picture?

The above merely concerns the usual scurrilous dirty tricks which the
Republicans excel at. My real attitude is: so what? Who in their right mind
was not against that corrupt pathetic war, a war that so dishonored America? I
am certainly not sorry regarding my own protest participation or any of the
futile letters i wrote concerning it. The people who thougt the war was a good
idea, such as bii, are the ones who ought to be ashamed. Especially if they
signed on for soft duty to escape it and even then may not have complied with
the easy requirements of the Guard.

May we all be alert for Republican lies in the campaign.

Gerald

Halleluliah! brother. Halleluliah! This is nothing less than a
mortal struggle between the forces of Good and the foul, malevolent
evil of the lying war-mongers. Bring it on!
Grantland
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User: "Cardinal Chunder"
Title: Re: Kerry Photo Shocker: Candidate Teamed Up With 'Hanoi' Jane Fonda	10 Feb 2004 01:06:29 PM

TonyZ2001 wrote:

This must rank as one of the most feeble attempts ever to smear someone.
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User: "jha_amin"
Title: Re: Kerry Photo Shocker: Candidate Teamed Up With 'Hanoi' Jane Fonda	10 Feb 2004 06:03:04 PM

Cardinal Chunder <cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote in message news:<c0ba3v0gk1@enews4.newsguy.com>...

TonyZ2001 wrote:

This must rank as one of the most feeble attempts ever to smear someone.

Yep.....kerry sounds good to me.
If these christians are real, the whole damn nation should be anti-war.
Er, that is, if they really know what jesus was supposed to have taught.
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User: "Steven Douglas"
Title: Re: Kerry Photo Shocker: Candidate Teamed Up With 'Hanoi' Jane Fonda	11 Feb 2004 01:05:24 AM

(jha_amin) wrote in message news:<33b7880.0402101603.44361349@posting.google.com>...

Yep.....kerry sounds good to me.
If these christians are real, the whole damn nation should be anti-war.

Just curious, do you think the war against Hitler was justified?

Er, that is, if they really know what jesus was supposed to have taught.

Jesus instructed soldiers who professed faith in him, but he made no
mention that they must change professions (Matthew 8: 5-13, Luke
3:14).
Jesus also said this: "Greater love has no man than this, that a man
lay down his life for his friends." (John 15: 13)

God bless them all.
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User: "jha_amin"
Title: Re: Kerry Photo Shocker: Candidate Teamed Up With 'Hanoi' Jane Fonda	11 Feb 2004 08:12:43 PM

(Steven Douglas) wrote in message news:<a2b35e99.0402102305.5e8a055@posting.google.com>...

jha_amin@yahoo.com (jha_amin) wrote in message news:<33b7880.0402101603.44361349@posting.google.com>...

Yep.....kerry sounds good to me.
If these christians are real, the whole damn nation should be anti-war.

Just curious, do you think the war against Hitler was justified?

Er, that is, if they really know what jesus was supposed to have taught.

Jesus instructed soldiers who professed faith in him, but he made no
mention that they must change professions (Matthew 8: 5-13, Luke
3:14).

Jesus also said this: "Greater love has no man than this, that a man
lay down his life for his friends." (John 15: 13)

God bless them all.

Hey, Steven. Sorry, i'm usually an easy going type of guy. Just got
a little carried away and was a little hard on ya. ;) don't take it
personally, ok.
.

User: "jha_amin"
Title: Re: Kerry Photo Shocker: Candidate Teamed Up With 'Hanoi' Jane Fonda	11 Feb 2004 05:01:53 PM

(Steven Douglas) wrote in message news:<a2b35e99.0402102305.5e8a055@posting.google.com>...

jha_amin@yahoo.com (jha_amin) wrote in message news:<33b7880.0402101603.44361349@posting.google.com>...

Yep.....kerry sounds good to me.
If these christians are real, the whole damn nation should be anti-war.

Just curious, do you think the war against Hitler was justified?

Sometimes it is necessary to refuse to be dominated and there
appeared to be no other way than to fight fire with fire.
The real Jesus did it with his [unlimited] knowledge which he knew is
the core of ALL existence. Knowledge provides protection from all
forms of negativity when properly used.

Er, that is, if they really know what jesus was supposed to have taught.

Jesus instructed soldiers who professed faith in him, but he made no
mention that they must change professions (Matthew 8: 5-13, Luke
3:14).

That decision would have been up to them. The real Jesus did not
violate free will nor did he show much respect for secular authorities
such as the roman legions.

Jesus also said this: "Greater love has no man than this, that a man
lay down his life for his friends." (John 15: 13)

Now that is a bit of a reach!! I don't think i have ever heard that
verse used to justify killing. A very good example of how the
scriptures are distorted to arrive at incorrect conclusions. Maybe i
am looking at it wrong.
What do you think this verse means?

God bless them all.

What does this mean, "God bless them all."?
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User: "Steven Douglas"
Title: Re: Kerry Photo Shocker: Candidate Teamed Up With 'Hanoi' Jane Fonda	11 Feb 2004 10:42:44 PM

(jha_amin) wrote in message news:<33b7880.0402111501.777cfef7@posting.google.com>...

dsteven@flashmail.com (Steven Douglas) wrote in message news:<a2b35e99.0402102305.5e8a055@posting.google.com>...

(jha_amin) wrote in message news:<33b7880.0402101603.44361349@posting.google.com>...

Yep.....kerry sounds good to me.
If these christians are real, the whole damn nation should be anti-war.

Just curious, do you think the war against Hitler was justified?

Yes. But I don't think Jesus expected his disciples to sit passively
in the face of danger. Just before Jesus was arrested, he and his
disciples were threatened by angry mobs. Jesus instructed those
disciples who had no sword to sell their cloak and buy a sword (Luke
22: 36-38).
By instructing them to buy swords, I believe Jesus intended for his
disciples to have the ability to defend themselves after he was gone
-- because he stopped them from using their swords when they tried to
defend HIM during his arrest (Luke 22: 47-51).

Er, that is, if they really know what jesus was supposed to have taught.

Jesus instructed soldiers who professed faith in him, but he made no
mention that they must change professions (Matthew 8: 5-13, Luke
3:14).

That decision would have been up to them. The real Jesus did not
violate free will nor did he show much respect for secular authorities
such as the roman legions.

Those were soldiers who professed their faith in him. If he had
thought it was necessary for them to renounce their military
affiliations in order to be true believers, he would have told them
that.
Jesus taught many high ideals, but he also understood the reality of
this world.

Jesus also said this: "Greater love has no man than this, that a man
lay down his life for his friends." (John 15: 13)

I think it means there are times when it is necessary to defend one's
friends (or family, or nation) with his life.

God bless them all.

What does this mean, "God bless them all."?

It is my tribute to those who have fought and died to protect the
world from maniacal despots.

Hey, Steven. Sorry, i'm usually an easy going type of guy.
Just got a little carried away and was a little hard on ya. ;)
don't take it personally, ok.

I didn't. I enjoy a spirited discussion.
.

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