GEOSTRATEGY-DIRECT INTELLIGENCE BRIEF
'Kill the ideology' of Islamists"
Expert calls terror war 'fight between moderate Muslims and extremists'
The war against al-Qaida and Islamist terrorism must be waged ideologically as
well as through military and intelligence means, a Singapore-based
counterterrorism specialist says.
Rohan Gunaratna, Singapore-based counterterrorism specialist
"If you really want to destroy [terrorism], you must kill the ideology" of the
Islamists who have misinterpreted the Quran, said Rohan Gunaratna, author of
"Inside al-Qaida: Global Network of Terror."
"This is a fight between moderate Muslims and extremists [Muslims], not the
West and Islam."
He called on Western nations to work with moderate Muslims and concentrate on
people-to-people relations – financing educational institutions and other
groups – rather than relying too much on government-to-government relations
as in the past.
Gunaratna said the world is in a state of conflict because of the ongoing
terrorist attacks. The United States has launched a security crackdown
following Sept. 11, but other nations have not done enough. Fighting terrorism
must be a "daily feature" of life, he said.
Gunaratna told a conference last week in Hawaii that he believes terrorists in
Iraq will continue attacks until power is turned over to Iraqis.
Gunaratna said the United States does not have the necessary intelligence
capabilities to halt the attacks in Iraq because of its location in the middle
of hostile nations like Iran and Syria.
"Iraq is very clearly now the land of jihad," said Gunaratna, associate
professor at the Institute of Defense and Strategic Studies in Singapore.
"There's very little we can do. ... We will continue to suffer losses as long
as we stay."
Regarding al-Qaida, Gunaratna said the terrorist group is training and
financing smaller local terrorist organizations to conduct attacks in Asia,
Africa, the Middle East and Europe as part of a shift in targets. Gunaratna
says al-Qaida has been weakened from the U.S.-led war on terrorism but is still
dangerous and able to conduct attacks in those places rather than in United
States, Western Europe and Australia, which has tightened security against
attacks and stepped up intelligence-sharing.
The hardening of targets has forced al-Qaida to shift to less-defended targets,
such as business and population centers and in countries that are friends and
allies of the U.S.
The bombings in Turkey were an example of the shift, he said.
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| User: "Mark Tyme" |
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12 Dec 2003 09:35:43 AM |
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Does your "loving God" command you to kill those who you don't agree
with, Tony? What makes you think that God would need your help, if
that is the case. The power that created 100 billion galaxies surely
could route out a few terrorist cells, if that were God's will,
without needing the US Army.
On 12 Dec 2003 11:03:26 GMT, (TonyZ2001) wrote:
GEOSTRATEGY-DIRECT INTELLIGENCE BRIEF
'Kill the ideology' of Islamists"
Expert calls terror war 'fight between moderate Muslims and extremists'
The war against al-Qaida and Islamist terrorism must be waged ideologically as
well as through military and intelligence means, a Singapore-based
counterterrorism specialist says.
Rohan Gunaratna, Singapore-based counterterrorism specialist
"If you really want to destroy [terrorism], you must kill the ideology" of the
Islamists who have misinterpreted the Quran, said Rohan Gunaratna, author of
"Inside al-Qaida: Global Network of Terror."
"This is a fight between moderate Muslims and extremists [Muslims], not the
West and Islam."
He called on Western nations to work with moderate Muslims and concentrate on
people-to-people relations – financing educational institutions and other
groups – rather than relying too much on government-to-government relations
as in the past.
Gunaratna said the world is in a state of conflict because of the ongoing
terrorist attacks. The United States has launched a security crackdown
following Sept. 11, but other nations have not done enough. Fighting terrorism
must be a "daily feature" of life, he said.
Gunaratna told a conference last week in Hawaii that he believes terrorists in
Iraq will continue attacks until power is turned over to Iraqis.
Gunaratna said the United States does not have the necessary intelligence
capabilities to halt the attacks in Iraq because of its location in the middle
of hostile nations like Iran and Syria.
"Iraq is very clearly now the land of jihad," said Gunaratna, associate
professor at the Institute of Defense and Strategic Studies in Singapore.
"There's very little we can do. ... We will continue to suffer losses as long
as we stay."
Regarding al-Qaida, Gunaratna said the terrorist group is training and
financing smaller local terrorist organizations to conduct attacks in Asia,
Africa, the Middle East and Europe as part of a shift in targets. Gunaratna
says al-Qaida has been weakened from the U.S.-led war on terrorism but is still
dangerous and able to conduct attacks in those places rather than in United
States, Western Europe and Australia, which has tightened security against
attacks and stepped up intelligence-sharing.
The hardening of targets has forced al-Qaida to shift to less-defended targets,
such as business and population centers and in countries that are friends and
allies of the U.S.
The bombings in Turkey were an example of the shift, he said.
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13 Dec 2003 07:19:58 AM |
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Mark Tyme
wrote:
Does your "loving God" command you to >kill those who you don't agree
with, Tony?
Hey Stupid,
The article was about the fight within Islam.
Tony
"Sometimes we don't need History at all."
Dani
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| User: "Jean Guernon" |
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12 Dec 2003 06:20:42 PM |
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Mark Tyme a écrit:
Does your "loving God" command you to kill those who you don't agree
with, Tony? What makes you think that God would need your help, if
that is the case. The power that created 100 billion galaxies surely
could route out a few terrorist cells, if that were God's will,
without needing the US Army.
It doesn't work like that. Even if God wants them dead, they won't go
out just like that by themselves (unless they blow themselves by
accident of course, this ius indeed what just happened in Palestine,
losers blew themselves in their cave LOL... God has a sense of humor).
Nah, usually, in the real world, it takes someone to accomplish the will
of God, and eliminate the trash thanks to the USA. It goes as the saying
says, that God helps those who help themselves... But yes, sometimes,
rarely, the Almighty makes a wink at humanity, like these losers who
blew themselves before they could harm innocents, it is the cherry on
top, a little velvet for those who do acomplish His will (i.e. U-S-A U-S-A).
:-)
J.
On 12 Dec 2003 11:03:26 GMT, (TonyZ2001) wrote:
GEOSTRATEGY-DIRECT INTELLIGENCE BRIEF
'Kill the ideology' of Islamists"
Expert calls terror war 'fight between moderate Muslims and extremists'
The war against al-Qaida and Islamist terrorism must be waged ideologically as
well as through military and intelligence means, a Singapore-based
counterterrorism specialist says.
Rohan Gunaratna, Singapore-based counterterrorism specialist
"If you really want to destroy [terrorism], you must kill the ideology" of the
Islamists who have misinterpreted the Quran, said Rohan Gunaratna, author of
"Inside al-Qaida: Global Network of Terror."
"This is a fight between moderate Muslims and extremists [Muslims], not the
West and Islam."
He called on Western nations to work with moderate Muslims and concentrate on
people-to-people relations – financing educational institutions and other
groups – rather than relying too much on government-to-government relations
as in the past.
Gunaratna said the world is in a state of conflict because of the ongoing
terrorist attacks. The United States has launched a security crackdown
following Sept. 11, but other nations have not done enough. Fighting terrorism
must be a "daily feature" of life, he said.
Gunaratna told a conference last week in Hawaii that he believes terrorists in
Iraq will continue attacks until power is turned over to Iraqis.
Gunaratna said the United States does not have the necessary intelligence
capabilities to halt the attacks in Iraq because of its location in the middle
of hostile nations like Iran and Syria.
"Iraq is very clearly now the land of jihad," said Gunaratna, associate
professor at the Institute of Defense and Strategic Studies in Singapore.
"There's very little we can do. ... We will continue to suffer losses as long
as we stay."
Regarding al-Qaida, Gunaratna said the terrorist group is training and
financing smaller local terrorist organizations to conduct attacks in Asia,
Africa, the Middle East and Europe as part of a shift in targets. Gunaratna
says al-Qaida has been weakened from the U.S.-led war on terrorism but is still
dangerous and able to conduct attacks in those places rather than in United
States, Western Europe and Australia, which has tightened security against
attacks and stepped up intelligence-sharing.
The hardening of targets has forced al-Qaida to shift to less-defended targets,
such as business and population centers and in countries that are friends and
allies of the U.S.
The bombings in Turkey were an example of the shift, he said.
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13 Dec 2003 04:20:37 AM |
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"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> skrev i meddelandet
news:uXsCb.2916309$Id.453921@news.easynews.com...
Mark Tyme a écrit:
Does your "loving God" command you to kill those who you don't agree
with, Tony? What makes you think that God would need your help, if
that is the case. The power that created 100 billion galaxies surely
could route out a few terrorist cells, if that were God's will,
without needing the US Army.
It doesn't work like that. Even if God wants them dead, they won't go
out just like that by themselves (unless they blow themselves by
accident of course, this ius indeed what just happened in Palestine,
losers blew themselves in their cave LOL... God has a sense of humor).
Nah, usually, in the real world, it takes someone to accomplish the will
of God, and eliminate the trash thanks to the USA. It goes as the saying
says, that God helps those who help themselves... But yes, sometimes,
rarely, the Almighty makes a wink at humanity, like these losers who
blew themselves before they could harm innocents, it is the cherry on
top, a little velvet for those who do acomplish His will (i.e. U-S-A
U-S-A).
:-)
J.
You are such a ***** guernon...really! Canada must be totally ashamed
of you.
WH
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14 Dec 2003 03:26:01 PM |
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WH a écrit:
"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> skrev i meddelandet
news:uXsCb.2916309$Id.453921@news.easynews.com...
Mark Tyme a écrit:
Does your "loving God" command you to kill those who you don't agree
with, Tony? What makes you think that God would need your help, if
that is the case. The power that created 100 billion galaxies surely
could route out a few terrorist cells, if that were God's will,
without needing the US Army.
It doesn't work like that. Even if God wants them dead, they won't go
out just like that by themselves (unless they blow themselves by
accident of course, this ius indeed what just happened in Palestine,
losers blew themselves in their cave LOL... God has a sense of humor).
Nah, usually, in the real world, it takes someone to accomplish the will
of God, and eliminate the trash thanks to the USA. It goes as the saying
says, that God helps those who help themselves... But yes, sometimes,
rarely, the Almighty makes a wink at humanity, like these losers who
blew themselves before they could harm innocents, it is the cherry on
top, a little velvet for those who do acomplish His will (i.e. U-S-A
U-S-A).
:-)
J.
You are such a ***** guernon...really!
Not as much as you. Me I don't suck up to anybody, I see the interest of
the world.
Canada must be totally ashamed
of you.
Not as much as I am ashamed of Canada (for not supporting 1441).
J.
WH
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| User: "Little Helper" |
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13 Dec 2003 08:18:47 AM |
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It is not easy to notice that everything is in balance. There is just as
much chaos as there is order, down to the degree. There is extreme chaos
(terrorism) because there is strict control (forces like USA and Israel
forcing control on others). The only way to eliminate one extreme is to
eliminate its counterpart. In other words, they need to be brought closer
together to cancel each other out. If anyone believes that forcing control
over others will ever prevail then they have never felt what it is like to
be oppressed. You WILL want to resist.
Jim
"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:uXsCb.2916309$Id.453921@news.easynews.com...
Mark Tyme a écrit:
Does your "loving God" command you to kill those who you don't agree
with, Tony? What makes you think that God would need your help, if
that is the case. The power that created 100 billion galaxies surely
could route out a few terrorist cells, if that were God's will,
without needing the US Army.
It doesn't work like that. Even if God wants them dead, they won't go
out just like that by themselves (unless they blow themselves by
accident of course, this ius indeed what just happened in Palestine,
losers blew themselves in their cave LOL... God has a sense of humor).
Nah, usually, in the real world, it takes someone to accomplish the will
of God, and eliminate the trash thanks to the USA. It goes as the saying
says, that God helps those who help themselves... But yes, sometimes,
rarely, the Almighty makes a wink at humanity, like these losers who
blew themselves before they could harm innocents, it is the cherry on
top, a little velvet for those who do acomplish His will (i.e. U-S-A
U-S-A).
:-)
J.
On 12 Dec 2003 11:03:26 GMT, (TonyZ2001) wrote:
GEOSTRATEGY-DIRECT INTELLIGENCE BRIEF
'Kill the ideology' of Islamists"
Expert calls terror war 'fight between moderate Muslims and extremists'
The war against al-Qaida and Islamist terrorism must be waged
ideologically as
well as through military and intelligence means, a Singapore-based
counterterrorism specialist says.
Rohan Gunaratna, Singapore-based counterterrorism specialist
"If you really want to destroy [terrorism], you must kill the ideology"
of the
Islamists who have misinterpreted the Quran, said Rohan Gunaratna,
author of
"Inside al-Qaida: Global Network of Terror."
"This is a fight between moderate Muslims and extremists [Muslims], not
the
West and Islam."
He called on Western nations to work with moderate Muslims and
concentrate on
people-to-people relations – financing educational institutions and
other
groups – rather than relying too much on government-to-government
relations
as in the past.
Gunaratna said the world is in a state of conflict because of the
ongoing
terrorist attacks. The United States has launched a security crackdown
following Sept. 11, but other nations have not done enough. Fighting
terrorism
must be a "daily feature" of life, he said.
Gunaratna told a conference last week in Hawaii that he believes
terrorists in
Iraq will continue attacks until power is turned over to Iraqis.
Gunaratna said the United States does not have the necessary
intelligence
capabilities to halt the attacks in Iraq because of its location in the
middle
of hostile nations like Iran and Syria.
"Iraq is very clearly now the land of jihad," said Gunaratna, associate
professor at the Institute of Defense and Strategic Studies in
Singapore.
"There's very little we can do. ... We will continue to suffer losses as
long
as we stay."
Regarding al-Qaida, Gunaratna said the terrorist group is training and
financing smaller local terrorist organizations to conduct attacks in
Asia,
Africa, the Middle East and Europe as part of a shift in targets.
Gunaratna
says al-Qaida has been weakened from the U.S.-led war on terrorism but
is still
dangerous and able to conduct attacks in those places rather than in
United
States, Western Europe and Australia, which has tightened security
against
attacks and stepped up intelligence-sharing.
The hardening of targets has forced al-Qaida to shift to less-defended
targets,
such as business and population centers and in countries that are
friends and
allies of the U.S.
The bombings in Turkey were an example of the shift, he said.
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13 Dec 2003 08:57:19 AM |
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"Little Helper" <canwebe@one.god> skrev i meddelandet
news:bdFCb.135466$Eq1.57724@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
It is not easy to notice that everything is in balance. There is just as
much chaos as there is order, down to the degree. There is extreme chaos
(terrorism) because there is strict control (forces like USA and Israel
forcing control on others). The only way to eliminate one extreme is to
eliminate its counterpart. In other words, they need to be brought closer
together to cancel each other out. If anyone believes that forcing control
over others will ever prevail then they have never felt what it is like to
be oppressed. You WILL want to resist.
Jim
Here Here!
WH
--
The word duplicitous was evented for people like Sandy
Pantyboy Tony
Spam bait:
tshabalala2@zwallet.com
Nicole_755_Williams_2@hotmail.com
bunmoscar@rt.nl
musa_bakuba01@zappo.com
euros_esp@yahoo.com
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13 Dec 2003 03:31:26 PM |
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"Little Helper" <canwebe@one.god> wrote in message news:<bdFCb.135466$Eq1.57724@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>...
It is not easy to notice that everything is in balance. There is just as
much chaos as there is order, down to the degree. There is extreme chaos
(terrorism) because there is strict control (forces like USA and Israel
forcing control on others). The only way to eliminate one extreme is to
eliminate its counterpart. In other words, they need to be brought closer
together to cancel each other out. If anyone believes that forcing control
over others will ever prevail then they have never felt what it is like to
be oppressed. You WILL want to resist.
Jim
"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:uXsCb.2916309$Id.453921@news.easynews.com...
Mark Tyme a écrit:
Does your "loving God" command you to kill those who you don't agree
with, Tony? What makes you think that God would need your help, if
that is the case. The power that created 100 billion galaxies surely
could route out a few terrorist cells, if that were God's will,
without needing the US Army.
Tony's good Christmas angels seek to kill off two thirds of the
world's population, for being so evil and attacking Israel (Zech and
Revelation). Sheesh, most people have no interest in attacking Israel.
Maybe two thirds of the world's population (4 billion people) will
become so evil that they worship Halliburton. The damn stuff was
created by one stupid biased tradition and spread because of the
vengence and bile and murder in that tradition. It lives oh yes even
in these advanced times, when tech is advanced but humans are not at
all. We only think we are as a species. Cavemen essentially. Ho ho ho.
......................
It doesn't work like that. Even if God wants them dead, they won't go
out just like that by themselves (unless they blow themselves by
accident of course, this ius indeed what just happened in Palestine,
losers blew themselves in their cave LOL... God has a sense of humor).
Nah, usually, in the real world, it takes someone to accomplish the will
of God, and eliminate the trash thanks to the USA. It goes as the saying
says, that God helps those who help themselves... But yes, sometimes,
rarely, the Almighty makes a wink at humanity, like these losers who
blew themselves before they could harm innocents, it is the cherry on
top, a little velvet for those who do acomplish His will (i.e. U-S-A
U-S-A).
:-)
J.
On 12 Dec 2003 11:03:26 GMT, (TonyZ2001) wrote:
GEOSTRATEGY-DIRECT INTELLIGENCE BRIEF
'Kill the ideology' of Islamists"
Expert calls terror war 'fight between moderate Muslims and extremists'
The war against al-Qaida and Islamist terrorism must be waged
ideologically as
well as through military and intelligence means, a Singapore-based
counterterrorism specialist says.
Rohan Gunaratna, Singapore-based counterterrorism specialist
"If you really want to destroy [terrorism], you must kill the ideology"
of the
Islamists who have misinterpreted the Quran, said Rohan Gunaratna,
author of
"Inside al-Qaida: Global Network of Terror."
"This is a fight between moderate Muslims and extremists [Muslims], not
the
West and Islam."
He called on Western nations to work with moderate Muslims and
concentrate on
people-to-people relations ? financing educational institutions and
other
groups ? rather than relying too much on government-to-government
relations
as in the past.
Gunaratna said the world is in a state of conflict because of the
ongoing
terrorist attacks. The United States has launched a security crackdown
following Sept. 11, but other nations have not done enough. Fighting
terrorism
must be a "daily feature" of life, he said.
Gunaratna told a conference last week in Hawaii that he believes
terrorists in
Iraq will continue attacks until power is turned over to Iraqis.
Gunaratna said the United States does not have the necessary
intelligence
capabilities to halt the attacks in Iraq because of its location in the
middle
of hostile nations like Iran and Syria.
"Iraq is very clearly now the land of jihad," said Gunaratna, associate
professor at the Institute of Defense and Strategic Studies in
Singapore.
"There's very little we can do. ... We will continue to suffer losses as
long
as we stay."
Regarding al-Qaida, Gunaratna said the terrorist group is training and
financing smaller local terrorist organizations to conduct attacks in
Asia,
Africa, the Middle East and Europe as part of a shift in targets.
Gunaratna
says al-Qaida has been weakened from the U.S.-led war on terrorism but
is still
dangerous and able to conduct attacks in those places rather than in
United
States, Western Europe and Australia, which has tightened security
against
attacks and stepped up intelligence-sharing.
The hardening of targets has forced al-Qaida to shift to less-defended
targets,
such as business and population centers and in countries that are
friends and
allies of the U.S.
The bombings in Turkey were an example of the shift, he said.
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14 Dec 2003 03:26:47 PM |
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Little Helper a écrit:
It is not easy to notice that everything is in balance. There is just as
much chaos as there is order, down to the degree. There is extreme chaos
(terrorism) because there is strict control (forces like USA and Israel
forcing control on others). The only way to eliminate one extreme is to
eliminate its counterpart. In other words, they need to be brought closer
together to cancel each other out. If anyone believes that forcing control
over others will ever prevail then they have never felt what it is like to
be oppressed. You WILL want to resist.
Jim
Only in your dreams.
J.
"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:uXsCb.2916309$Id.453921@news.easynews.com...
Mark Tyme a écrit:
Does your "loving God" command you to kill those who you don't agree
with, Tony? What makes you think that God would need your help, if
that is the case. The power that created 100 billion galaxies surely
could route out a few terrorist cells, if that were God's will,
without needing the US Army.
It doesn't work like that. Even if God wants them dead, they won't go
out just like that by themselves (unless they blow themselves by
accident of course, this ius indeed what just happened in Palestine,
losers blew themselves in their cave LOL... God has a sense of humor).
Nah, usually, in the real world, it takes someone to accomplish the will
of God, and eliminate the trash thanks to the USA. It goes as the saying
says, that God helps those who help themselves... But yes, sometimes,
rarely, the Almighty makes a wink at humanity, like these losers who
blew themselves before they could harm innocents, it is the cherry on
top, a little velvet for those who do acomplish His will (i.e. U-S-A
U-S-A).
:-)
J.
On 12 Dec 2003 11:03:26 GMT, (TonyZ2001) wrote:
GEOSTRATEGY-DIRECT INTELLIGENCE BRIEF
'Kill the ideology' of Islamists"
Expert calls terror war 'fight between moderate Muslims and extremists'
The war against al-Qaida and Islamist terrorism must be waged
ideologically as
well as through military and intelligence means, a Singapore-based
counterterrorism specialist says.
Rohan Gunaratna, Singapore-based counterterrorism specialist
"If you really want to destroy [terrorism], you must kill the ideology"
of the
Islamists who have misinterpreted the Quran, said Rohan Gunaratna,
author of
"Inside al-Qaida: Global Network of Terror."
"This is a fight between moderate Muslims and extremists [Muslims], not
the
West and Islam."
He called on Western nations to work with moderate Muslims and
concentrate on
people-to-people relations – financing educational institutions and
other
groups – rather than relying too much on government-to-government
relations
as in the past.
Gunaratna said the world is in a state of conflict because of the
ongoing
terrorist attacks. The United States has launched a security crackdown
following Sept. 11, but other nations have not done enough. Fighting
terrorism
must be a "daily feature" of life, he said.
Gunaratna told a conference last week in Hawaii that he believes
terrorists in
Iraq will continue attacks until power is turned over to Iraqis.
Gunaratna said the United States does not have the necessary
intelligence
capabilities to halt the attacks in Iraq because of its location in the
middle
of hostile nations like Iran and Syria.
"Iraq is very clearly now the land of jihad," said Gunaratna, associate
professor at the Institute of Defense and Strategic Studies in
Singapore.
"There's very little we can do. ... We will continue to suffer losses as
long
as we stay."
Regarding al-Qaida, Gunaratna said the terrorist group is training and
financing smaller local terrorist organizations to conduct attacks in
Asia,
Africa, the Middle East and Europe as part of a shift in targets.
Gunaratna
says al-Qaida has been weakened from the U.S.-led war on terrorism but
is still
dangerous and able to conduct attacks in those places rather than in
United
States, Western Europe and Australia, which has tightened security
against
attacks and stepped up intelligence-sharing.
The hardening of targets has forced al-Qaida to shift to less-defended
targets,
such as business and population centers and in countries that are
friends and
allies of the U.S.
The bombings in Turkey were an example of the shift, he said.
.
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15 Dec 2003 05:06:56 AM |
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"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:rA4Db.3090871$Id.482049@news.easynews.com...
Little Helper a écrit:
It is not easy to notice that everything is in balance. There is just as
much chaos as there is order, down to the degree. There is extreme chaos
(terrorism) because there is strict control (forces like USA and Israel
forcing control on others). The only way to eliminate one extreme is to
eliminate its counterpart. In other words, they need to be brought
closer
together to cancel each other out. If anyone believes that forcing
control
over others will ever prevail then they have never felt what it is like
to
be oppressed. You WILL want to resist.
Jim
Only in your dreams.
J.
I'm sorry for assuming that you would want to resist if you were oppressed.
You are probably oppressed now and enjoy it.
--
Jim Scannell
jscannell@wi.rr.com
http://home.wi.rr.com/jscannell/
(Your link on things that are truly important)
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16 Dec 2003 09:09:37 PM |
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"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
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Little Helper a écrit:
It is not easy to notice that everything is in balance. There is just as
much chaos as there is order, down to the degree. There is extreme chaos
(terrorism) because there is strict control (forces like USA and Israel
forcing control on others). The only way to eliminate one extreme is to
eliminate its counterpart. In other words, they need to be brought
closer
together to cancel each other out. If anyone believes that forcing
control
over others will ever prevail then they have never felt what it is like
to
be oppressed. You WILL want to resist.
Jim
Only in your dreams.
J.
I'm sorry for assuming that you would want to resist if you were oppressed.
You are probably oppressed now and enjoy it.
In your dreams again.
THe oppressors were the old regime.
90% of Iraqis are elated to see Saddam in custody. The other Arabs (and
the rest of the world that didn'T support 1441) have been told by the
actual Iraqi rulers that they should be ashamed for not doing so.
I am talking to you about Iraqis, you are talking to me about the
bandits that kept them like animals.
Kiss their ***** all you want, it doesn't change that they are liberated
from them, and that anyone who didn't support the implementation of 1441
can do the same to mine.
J.
--
Jim Scannell
jscannell@wi.rr.com
http://home.wi.rr.com/jscannell/
(Your link on things that are truly important)
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16 Dec 2003 10:51:42 PM |
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"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:RNPDb.3291219$Id.522489@news.easynews.com...
Not Important a écrit:
"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:rA4Db.3090871$Id.482049@news.easynews.com...
Little Helper a écrit:
It is not easy to notice that everything is in balance. There is just
as
much chaos as there is order, down to the degree. There is extreme
chaos
(terrorism) because there is strict control (forces like USA and Israel
forcing control on others). The only way to eliminate one extreme is to
eliminate its counterpart. In other words, they need to be brought
closer
together to cancel each other out. If anyone believes that forcing
control
over others will ever prevail then they have never felt what it is like
to
be oppressed. You WILL want to resist.
Jim
Only in your dreams.
J.
I'm sorry for assuming that you would want to resist if you were
oppressed.
You are probably oppressed now and enjoy it.
In your dreams again.
THe oppressors were the old regime.
90% of Iraqis are elated to see Saddam in custody. The other Arabs (and
the rest of the world that didn'T support 1441) have been told by the
actual Iraqi rulers that they should be ashamed for not doing so.
I am talking to you about Iraqis, you are talking to me about the
bandits that kept them like animals.
Kiss their ***** all you want, it doesn't change that they are liberated
from them, and that anyone who didn't support the implementation of 1441
can do the same to mine.
I was talking about AMERICA!
--
Jim Scannell
jscannell@wi.rr.com
http://home.wi.rr.com/jscannell/
(Your link on things that are truly important)
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| User: "Jean Guernon" |
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| Title: Re: "Kill the ideology' of Islamists" -> "of islamist radicals" (murdererswho hijack religion) |
17 Dec 2003 07:28:44 PM |
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Not Important a écrit:
"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:RNPDb.3291219$Id.522489@news.easynews.com...
Not Important a écrit:
"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:rA4Db.3090871$Id.482049@news.easynews.com...
Little Helper a écrit:
It is not easy to notice that everything is in balance. There is just
as
much chaos as there is order, down to the degree. There is extreme
chaos
(terrorism) because there is strict control (forces like USA and Israel
forcing control on others). The only way to eliminate one extreme is to
eliminate its counterpart. In other words, they need to be brought
closer
together to cancel each other out. If anyone believes that forcing
control
over others will ever prevail then they have never felt what it is like
to
be oppressed. You WILL want to resist.
Jim
Only in your dreams.
J.
I'm sorry for assuming that you would want to resist if you were
oppressed.
You are probably oppressed now and enjoy it.
In your dreams again.
THe oppressors were the old regime.
90% of Iraqis are elated to see Saddam in custody. The other Arabs (and
the rest of the world that didn'T support 1441) have been told by the
actual Iraqi rulers that they should be ashamed for not doing so.
I am talking to you about Iraqis, you are talking to me about the
bandits that kept them like animals.
Kiss their ***** all you want, it doesn't change that they are liberated
from them, and that anyone who didn't support the implementation of 1441
can do the same to mine.
I was talking about AMERICA!
--
You are saying to resist America (what? with terrorism?) because you say
it is an oppressor? LOL
Islam is 100 times more oppressive than America.
It is really because America is NOT oppressive that terrorists want to
resist it.
You fool many people with your pretense?
J.
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| Title: Re: "Kill the ideology' of Islamists" -> "of islamist radicals" (murderers who hijack religion) |
17 Dec 2003 09:02:56 PM |
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"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:fp7Eb.3442526$Of.537884@news.easynews.com...
Not Important a écrit:
"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:RNPDb.3291219$Id.522489@news.easynews.com...
Not Important a écrit:
"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:rA4Db.3090871$Id.482049@news.easynews.com...
Little Helper a écrit:
It is not easy to notice that everything is in balance. There is just
as
much chaos as there is order, down to the degree. There is extreme
chaos
(terrorism) because there is strict control (forces like USA and
Israel
forcing control on others). The only way to eliminate one extreme is
to
eliminate its counterpart. In other words, they need to be brought
closer
together to cancel each other out. If anyone believes that forcing
control
over others will ever prevail then they have never felt what it is
like
to
be oppressed. You WILL want to resist.
Jim
Only in your dreams.
J.
I'm sorry for assuming that you would want to resist if you were
oppressed.
You are probably oppressed now and enjoy it.
In your dreams again.
THe oppressors were the old regime.
90% of Iraqis are elated to see Saddam in custody. The other Arabs (and
the rest of the world that didn'T support 1441) have been told by the
actual Iraqi rulers that they should be ashamed for not doing so.
I am talking to you about Iraqis, you are talking to me about the
bandits that kept them like animals.
Kiss their ***** all you want, it doesn't change that they are liberated
from them, and that anyone who didn't support the implementation of 1441
can do the same to mine.
I was talking about AMERICA!
--
You are saying to resist America (what? with terrorism?) because you say
it is an oppressor? LOL
Islam is 100 times more oppressive than America.
It is really because America is NOT oppressive that terrorists want to
resist it.
You fool many people with your pretense?
I said everything is in balance. Islamic nations are very chaotic. They do
NOT practice Islam. The U.S. is becoming the complete opposite: fascist.
BOTH are oppressive. One is at the whim of warlords, the other through laws
that give the government absolute authority (no need for warrants, detention
without charges, etc.)
--
Jim Scannell
jscannell@wi.rr.com
http://home.wi.rr.com/jscannell/
(Your link on things that are truly important)
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| User: "Jean Guernon" |
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| Title: Re: "Kill the ideology' of Islamists" -> "of islamist radicals" (murdererswho hijack religion) |
18 Dec 2003 10:04:35 PM |
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Not Important a écrit:
"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:fp7Eb.3442526$Of.537884@news.easynews.com...
[snip]
I said everything is in balance. Islamic nations are very chaotic. They do
NOT practice Islam. The U.S. is becoming the complete opposite: fascist.
BOTH are oppressive. One is at the whim of warlords, the other through laws
that give the government absolute authority (no need for warrants, detention
without charges, etc.)
There is no such a thing. Yes, there are broader powers, since (and
because of) the Muslim terrorists. But people held up in Guantanamo Bay,
although not charged, were caught fighting against coalition forces in a
war zone. There are legal grounds for their detention until the end of
the conflict, according to the Geneva convention.
And war is one thing that was brought to us, the 9-11 event is an
extraordinary circumstance hence the necessity to invoke the
extraordinary war powers acts. These have all legal precedents.
Me, I have still a hard time with the fact that the Saudi royal family
representative recalled when their citizens were last attacked, whence
they said that a poll taken the same week showed that 60% of Arabs (the
majority of you) wanted Bin Laden as their leader. Crazier than that,
one dies. THIS shows the justification for being careful with the lots
of you. Me I stop seeing it the way Rumsfeld described it from then on,
i.e. as just a few crazies. There are a LOT of insane people in your gang.
Anyway, besides the consequence of the war brought on by Muslim
terrorists, all based on international law, me, I'd be curious to see
even one thing that is more repressive in the US than in your beloved
Muslim countries. Not some generalization. One thing.
Or shut your pie hole if you can only find that the repression is
contrasted only by the royal treatment of terrorists in countries like
Iran by contrast with how they are treated in America or other civilized
countries.
J.
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| User: "Not Important" |
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| Title: Re: "Kill the ideology' of Islamists" -> "of islamist radicals" (murderers who hijack religion) |
19 Dec 2003 02:51:14 AM |
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How about the 3% incarceration of the American population being the highest
incarceration rate in the world? The fact that (3) million man concentration
camps have been built so they can raise that to 4%. There will be no
convincing someone (you) who will not even check the proof behind 9/11. It
was perpetrated by the Bush administration, CIA, and military to get defense
and intelligence spending and take away rights of U.S. citizens, plain and
simple. They did $10 Billion in damage and got over $100 Billion from
congress. There were supposed to be over 30,000 people in the WTC when it
went down, but because of warnings there were only 3,000. Everyone in the
neighborhood knew in advance that the WTC was coming down on 9/11, it was an
"urban myth." Wake up.
--
Jim Scannell
jscannell@wi.rr.com
http://home.wi.rr.com/jscannell/
(Your link on things that are truly important)
"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:nNuEb.3524197$Of.548982@news.easynews.com...
Not Important a écrit:
"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:fp7Eb.3442526$Of.537884@news.easynews.com...
[snip]
I said everything is in balance. Islamic nations are very chaotic. They
do
NOT practice Islam. The U.S. is becoming the complete opposite: fascist.
BOTH are oppressive. One is at the whim of warlords, the other through
laws
that give the government absolute authority (no need for warrants,
detention
without charges, etc.)
There is no such a thing. Yes, there are broader powers, since (and
because of) the Muslim terrorists. But people held up in Guantanamo Bay,
although not charged, were caught fighting against coalition forces in a
war zone. There are legal grounds for their detention until the end of
the conflict, according to the Geneva convention.
And war is one thing that was brought to us, the 9-11 event is an
extraordinary circumstance hence the necessity to invoke the
extraordinary war powers acts. These have all legal precedents.
Me, I have still a hard time with the fact that the Saudi royal family
representative recalled when their citizens were last attacked, whence
they said that a poll taken the same week showed that 60% of Arabs (the
majority of you) wanted Bin Laden as their leader. Crazier than that,
one dies. THIS shows the justification for being careful with the lots
of you. Me I stop seeing it the way Rumsfeld described it from then on,
i.e. as just a few crazies. There are a LOT of insane people in your gang.
Anyway, besides the consequence of the war brought on by Muslim
terrorists, all based on international law, me, I'd be curious to see
even one thing that is more repressive in the US than in your beloved
Muslim countries. Not some generalization. One thing.
Or shut your pie hole if you can only find that the repression is
contrasted only by the royal treatment of terrorists in countries like
Iran by contrast with how they are treated in America or other civilized
countries.
J.
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| User: "Jean Guernon" |
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| Title: Re: "Kill the ideology' of Islamists" -> "of islamist radicals" (murdererswho hijack religion) |
20 Dec 2003 11:03:40 PM |
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Not Important a écrit:
How about the 3% incarceration of the American population being the highest
incarceration rate in the world? The fact that (3) million man concentration
camps have been built so they can raise that to 4%. There will be no
convincing someone (you) who will not even check the proof behind 9/11. It
was perpetrated by the Bush administration, CIA, and military to get defense
and intelligence spending and take away rights of U.S. citizens, plain and
simple. They did $10 Billion in damage and got over $100 Billion from
congress. There were supposed to be over 30,000 people in the WTC when it
went down, but because of warnings there were only 3,000. Everyone in the
neighborhood knew in advance that the WTC was coming down on 9/11, it was an
"urban myth." Wake up.
Only in your dreams. You, wake up.
J.
--
Jim Scannell
jscannell@wi.rr.com
http://home.wi.rr.com/jscannell/
(Your link on things that are truly important)
"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:nNuEb.3524197$Of.548982@news.easynews.com...
Not Important a écrit:
"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:fp7Eb.3442526$Of.537884@news.easynews.com...
[snip]
I said everything is in balance. Islamic nations are very chaotic. They
do
NOT practice Islam. The U.S. is becoming the complete opposite: fascist.
BOTH are oppressive. One is at the whim of warlords, the other through
laws
that give the government absolute authority (no need for warrants,
detention
without charges, etc.)
There is no such a thing. Yes, there are broader powers, since (and
because of) the Muslim terrorists. But people held up in Guantanamo Bay,
although not charged, were caught fighting against coalition forces in a
war zone. There are legal grounds for their detention until the end of
the conflict, according to the Geneva convention.
And war is one thing that was brought to us, the 9-11 event is an
extraordinary circumstance hence the necessity to invoke the
extraordinary war powers acts. These have all legal precedents.
Me, I have still a hard time with the fact that the Saudi royal family
representative recalled when their citizens were last attacked, whence
they said that a poll taken the same week showed that 60% of Arabs (the
majority of you) wanted Bin Laden as their leader. Crazier than that,
one dies. THIS shows the justification for being careful with the lots
of you. Me I stop seeing it the way Rumsfeld described it from then on,
i.e. as just a few crazies. There are a LOT of insane people in your gang.
Anyway, besides the consequence of the war brought on by Muslim
terrorists, all based on international law, me, I'd be curious to see
even one thing that is more repressive in the US than in your beloved
Muslim countries. Not some generalization. One thing.
Or shut your pie hole if you can only find that the repression is
contrasted only by the royal treatment of terrorists in countries like
Iran by contrast with how they are treated in America or other civilized
countries.
J.
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21 Dec 2003 08:59:04 AM |
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"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:MQ9Fb.3667418$Of.574932@news.easynews.com...
Not Important a écrit:
How about the 3% incarceration of the American population being the
highest
incarceration rate in the world? The fact that (3) million man
concentration
camps have been built so they can raise that to 4%. There will be no
convincing someone (you) who will not even check the proof behind 9/11.
It
was perpetrated by the Bush administration, CIA, and military to get
defense
and intelligence spending and take away rights of U.S. citizens, plain
and
simple. They did $10 Billion in damage and got over $100 Billion from
congress. There were supposed to be over 30,000 people in the WTC when
it
went down, but because of warnings there were only 3,000. Everyone in
the
neighborhood knew in advance that the WTC was coming down on 9/11, it
was an
"urban myth." Wake up.
Only in your dreams. You, wake up.
Deny truth all you want. Point out any falsehood from my statement. Go
ahead. Let's see what you disagree with and where your ignorance and denial
lie.
--
Jim Scannell
jscannell@wi.rr.com
http://home.wi.rr.com/jscannell/
(Your link on things that are truly important)
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21 Dec 2003 06:17:44 AM |
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On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 05:03:40 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
Not Important a écrit:
How about the 3% incarceration of the American population being the highest
incarceration rate in the world? The fact that (3) million man concentration
camps have been built so they can raise that to 4%. There will be no
convincing someone (you) who will not even check the proof behind 9/11. It
was perpetrated by the Bush administration, CIA, and military to get defense
and intelligence spending and take away rights of U.S. citizens, plain and
simple. They did $10 Billion in damage and got over $100 Billion from
congress. There were supposed to be over 30,000 people in the WTC when it
went down, but because of warnings there were only 3,000. Everyone in the
neighborhood knew in advance that the WTC was coming down on 9/11, it was an
"urban myth." Wake up.
Only in your dreams. You, wake up.
J.
Idiot FROG. Go back to your crack pipe there fur ball.
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21 Dec 2003 06:20:35 PM |
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Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message news:<nNuEb.3524197$Of.548982@news.easynews.com>...
Not Important a écrit:
"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:fp7Eb.3442526$Of.537884@news.easynews.com...
[snip]
I said everything is in balance. Islamic nations are very chaotic. They do
NOT practice Islam.
Sure they do! What planet do you live on?
The U.S. is becoming the complete opposite: fascist.
Wrong! Where is your proof? I do not see speeches from the president
saying racist things?
BOTH are oppressive. One is at the whim of warlords, the other through laws
that give the government absolute authority
This is only because of war on terror - just like WWII, things got
restrictive in freedom, but after the war U.S. went back to normal
– Freedom in society.
(no need for warrants, detention
without charges, etc. ->
wrong again.
WWII Japanese camps!
There is no such a thing. Yes, there are broader powers, since (and
because of) the Muslim terrorists. But people held up in Guantanamo Bay,
although not charged, were caught fighting against coalition forces in a
war zone. There are legal grounds for their detention until the end of
the conflict, according to the Geneva convention.
Thank you for telling us this Jean - most do not have a clue.
And war is one thing that was brought to us, the 9-11 event is an
extraordinary circumstance hence the necessity to invoke the
extraordinary war powers acts. These have all legal precedents.
Me, I have still a hard time with the fact that the Saudi royal family
representative recalled when their citizens were last attacked, whence
they said that a poll taken the same week showed that 60% of Arabs (the
majority of you) wanted Bin Laden as their leader. Crazier than that,
one dies. THIS shows the justification for being careful with the lots
of you. Me I stop seeing it the way Rumsfeld described it from then on,
i.e. as just a few crazies. There are a LOT of insane people in your gang.
Anyway, besides the consequence of the war brought on by Muslim
terrorists, all based on international law, me, I'd be curious to see
even one thing that is more repressive in the US than in your beloved
Muslim countries. Not some generalization. One thing.
Or shut your pie hole if you can only find that the repression is
contrasted only by the royal treatment of terrorists in countries like
Iran by contrast with how they are treated in America or other civilized
countries.
J.
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22 Dec 2003 02:38:45 PM |
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"Michael Johnathan McDonald" <abookoflife@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:dd3256f0.0312211620.2bca02d5@posting.google.com...
Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:<nNuEb.3524197$Of.548982@news.easynews.com>...
Not Important a écrit:
"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:fp7Eb.3442526$Of.537884@news.easynews.com...
[snip]
I said everything is in balance. Islamic nations are very chaotic.
They do
NOT practice Islam.
Sure they do! What planet do you live on?
Read the Koran. They only THINK they practice Islam. All people who actually
practice what the Koran says KNOW that they do not. Well, I should have
qualified my statements. I consider Saudi Arabia to be a nation that DOES
practice Islaam, and perhaps Egypt and several others, but Iraq and
Afganistan clearly DID NOT.
The U.S. is becoming the complete opposite: fascist.
Wrong! Where is your proof? I do not see speeches from the president
saying racist things?
Of course not fool. Look at the legislature. Look at the Patriot Act. Look
at the Patriot Act 2 that is being put in piece by piece in the legislature
being passed now because the Patriot Act 2 was not approved in it's
entirety.
BOTH are oppressive. One is at the whim of warlords, the other through
laws
that give the government absolute authority
This is only because of war on terror - just like WWII, things got
restrictive in freedom, but after the war U.S. went back to normal
– Freedom in society.
Like concentration camps for Japanese in America? Who are they going to put
in the three they just built?
(no need for warrants, detention
without charges, etc. ->
wrong again.
WWII Japanese camps!
You call me wrong then prove me right? How am I misunderstanding you?
There is no such a thing. Yes, there are broader powers, since (and
because of) the Muslim terrorists. But people held up in Guantanamo Bay,
although not charged, were caught fighting against coalition forces in a
war zone. There are legal grounds for their detention until the end of
the conflict, according to the Geneva convention.
Thank you for telling us this Jean - most do not have a clue.
It is an assumption to believe that no one is being detained indefinately
without charges merely out of suspicion that they are involved in terrorist
activities. I agree that the people at Guantanamo Bay surrendered and had
guns, and that it is unlikely that anyone is being detained anywere for
being tied to terrorism who weren't. I don't think it will be long before
people that would never aid terrorists are arrested merely for talking about
terrorism with a terrorist in a newsgroup even though they didn't know the
person was a terrorist.
--
Jim Scannell
jscannell@wi.rr.com
http://home.wi.rr.com/jscannell/
(Your link on things that are truly important)
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| User: "WH" |
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22 Dec 2003 02:46:56 PM |
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Looked at your homepage...what a bunch of bollocks!
WH
"Not Important" <someone@here.yea> skrev i meddelandet
news:nDIFb.183675$M02.158910@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
"Michael Johnathan McDonald" <abookoflife@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:dd3256f0.0312211620.2bca02d5@posting.google.com...
Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:<nNuEb.3524197$Of.548982@news.easynews.com>...
Not Important a écrit:
"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:fp7Eb.3442526$Of.537884@news.easynews.com...
[snip]
I said everything is in balance. Islamic nations are very chaotic.
They do
NOT practice Islam.
Sure they do! What planet do you live on?
Read the Koran. They only THINK they practice Islam. All people who
actually
practice what the Koran says KNOW that they do not. Well, I should have
qualified my statements. I consider Saudi Arabia to be a nation that DOES
practice Islaam, and perhaps Egypt and several others, but Iraq and
Afganistan clearly DID NOT.
The U.S. is becoming the complete opposite: fascist.
Wrong! Where is your proof? I do not see speeches from the president
saying racist things?
Of course not fool. Look at the legislature. Look at the Patriot Act. Look
at the Patriot Act 2 that is being put in piece by piece in the
legislature
being passed now because the Patriot Act 2 was not approved in it's
entirety.
BOTH are oppressive. One is at the whim of warlords, the other
through
laws
that give the government absolute authority
This is only because of war on terror - just like WWII, things got
restrictive in freedom, but after the war U.S. went back to normal
– Freedom in society.
Like concentration camps for Japanese in America? Who are they going to
put
in the three they just built?
(no need for warrants, detention
without charges, etc. ->
wrong again.
WWII Japanese camps!
You call me wrong then prove me right? How am I misunderstanding you?
There is no such a thing. Yes, there are broader powers, since (and
because of) the Muslim terrorists. But people held up in Guantanamo
Bay,
although not charged, were caught fighting against coalition forces in
a
war zone. There are legal grounds for their detention until the end of
the conflict, according to the Geneva convention.
Thank you for telling us this Jean - most do not have a clue.
It is an assumption to believe that no one is being detained indefinately
without charges merely out of suspicion that they are involved in
terrorist
activities. I agree that the people at Guantanamo Bay surrendered and had
guns, and that it is unlikely that anyone is being detained anywere for
being tied to terrorism who weren't. I don't think it will be long before
people that would never aid terrorists are arrested merely for talking
about
terrorism with a terrorist in a newsgroup even though they didn't know the
person was a terrorist.
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Jim Scannell
jscannell@wi.rr.com
http://home.wi.rr.com/jscannell/
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"WH" <bollogs@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Looked at your homepage...what a bunch of bollocks!
Yes, everyone look. Your beliefs do not affect me when you consider how much
they affect yourself. I do pity you.
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Jim Scannell
jscannell@wi.rr.com
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22 Dec 2003 04:37:49 PM |
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"Not Important" <someone@here.yea> skrev i meddelandet
news:maKFb.183697$M02.101465@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
"WH" <bollogs@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bs7lat$e2h$1@green.tninet.se...
Looked at your homepage...what a bunch of bollocks!
Yes, everyone look. Your beliefs do not affect me when you consider how
much
they affect yourself. I do pity you.
You "pity" me LOL!
Jim Scannell
jscannell@wi.rr.com
http://home.wi.rr.com/jscannell/
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22 Dec 2003 04:42:54 PM |
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"WH" <bollogs@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bs7rqo$pg6$1@green.tninet.se...
"Not Important" <someone@here.yea> skrev i meddelandet
news:maKFb.183697$M02.101465@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
"WH" <bollogs@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bs7lat$e2h$1@green.tninet.se...
Looked at your homepage...what a bunch of bollocks!
Yes, everyone look. Your beliefs do not affect me when you consider how
much
they affect yourself. I do pity you.
You "pity" me LOL!
It may take you a hundred thousand years and hundreds of lives to figure out
why.
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Jim Scannell
jscannell@wi.rr.com
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22 Dec 2003 02:50:46 PM |
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While still snuggled in a 'spider hole', "Not Important" <someone@here.yea>
scribbled:
Read the Koran. They only THINK they practice Islam.
Read the Bible.
Jews and Christians only THINK they're following what is written there.
But in the end, that's probably just as well.
To reply by email, remove the XYZ.
Lumber Cartel (tinlc) #2063. Spam this account at your own risk.
It's your SIG, say what you want to say....
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22 Dec 2003 04:30:08 PM |
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"Never anonymous Bud" <newskat@katxyzkave.net> wrote in message
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While still snuggled in a 'spider hole', "Not Important"
<someone@here.yea>
scribbled:
Read the Koran. They only THINK they practice Islam.
Read the Bible.
Jews and Christians only THINK they're following what is written there.
So sadly true.
But in the end, that's probably just as well.
I wonder. There is a lot in those two sacred books that were directed at
savages that cause spiritual regression instead of growth today so perhaps
you are right.
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Jim Scannell
jscannell@wi.rr.com
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23 Dec 2003 03:40:48 AM |
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Never anonymous Bud <newskat@katxyzkave.net> wrote in message news:<g7meuvc9ljj942u531hrpj0m2rihkpdtfs@4ax.com>...
While still snuggled in a 'spider hole', "Not Important" <someone@here.yea>
scribbled:
Read the Koran. They only THINK they practice Islam.
Read the Bible.
Jews and Christians only THINK they're following what is written there.
But in the end, that's probably just as well.
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Oh no, no, no. Mr Not important is a being of such mystical learning
that he KNOWS everything there is to understand in life. We are
honoured indeed to be graced with his insight.
It's with a deep gratitude to Mr Not Important that I write. My
cellers and garages are now fully stocked with soya beans and cabbages
as he suggested. I've saved on all sorts of medical insurance by
employing an old lady who tells me she is good at 'laying on hands'.
There is so much more to be grateful to him for...but as I can't quite
come to terms with his re-incarnation explanation,I'll leave all of
that; due to lack of centuries in which to write it all down.
I hope the old lady lives up to her claims though. I had a similar
offer of 'laying on of hands' from a pretty young girl, but saved my
immortal soul by rejecting her application in case she meant something
other than a practice approved of by Mr Not Important.
Gosh but he's well named.
Ricky
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23 Dec 2003 07:01:36 AM |
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"Werewolfy" <RickyColeclough@aol.com> wrote in message
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Oh no, no, no. Mr Not important is a being of such mystical learning
that he KNOWS everything there is to understand in life. We are
honoured indeed to be graced with his insight.
It's with a deep gratitude to Mr Not Important that I write. My
cellers and garages are now fully stocked with soya beans and cabbages
as he suggested. I've saved on all sorts of medical insurance by
employing an old lady who tells me she is good at 'laying on hands'.
There is so much more to be grateful to him for...but as I can't quite
come to terms with his re-incarnation explanation,I'll leave all of
that; due to lack of centuries in which to write it all down.
I hope the old lady lives up to her claims though. I had a similar
offer of 'laying on of hands' from a pretty young girl, but saved my
immortal soul by rejecting her application in case she meant something
other than a practice approved of by Mr Not Important.
Gosh but he's well named.
Ricky
1. I never claimed to know everything and I will proclaim right now that my
knowledge is not significantly higher than anyone else's when compared to
the amount of knowledge that there is. You will notice that I don't talk
about things that I know nothing about as some people do. Perhaps that gives
the impression that I think I know it all since I am confident I know what
I'm talking about when I do talk.
2. Soy beans are ok, but cabbage has a short shelf-life unless frozen
(yuk!). Wheat and honey are the two foods known to never expire.
3. "Laying on hands" healing is very slow. You need someone who does
spiritual healing. Neither will help you much if you have an accident. Keep
the insurance.
3. No one should seek the approval of others. They should do what's right:
help others. Often this means doing what they do NOT want you to do.
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Jim Scannell
jscannell@wi.rr.com
http://home.wi.rr.com/jscannell/
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23 Dec 2003 01:01:43 PM |
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"Not Important" <someone@here.yea> wrote in message news:<Q0XFb.185380$Eq1.82936@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>...
"They should do what's right: help others. Often this means doing what
they do NOT want you to do."
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Not fair Jim. That's the first post from you that doesn't contain (to
my mind at least) a sackful of pomposity.
Keep that up and I may have to look elsewhere for a 'target' ;)
Umm.. That last remark about 'doing right', even when the other party
does not want you to do it. I can't resist thinking about an old lady
being suffocated by a 'friend' who supports euthanasia, whilst the old
lady vainly chokes into the cushion over her face, sobbing, "No No, I
don't want to die yet"
But that's just an aside. It's Christmas (I loath Christmas...but that
won't suprise you) and I've been chasing you around far more than I
should perhaps.
A truce for now? Seems a good idea.
;)
Ricky.....who never takes anything seriously.
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