Healthy Living: Microchips For People
'You’ve heard of implantable chips to track your pets, but now people
are getting them for medical purposes. In this Healthy Living report
learn why some believe they could save lives. It sounds like science
fiction, but Nick Minicucci is getting a microchip implanted in his
arm ... The chip is smaller than a thumbnail, but allows doctors
access to his entire medical records with only the swipe of a scan.
“There are days I forget I even have it. It's part of me, like taking
insulin,” said Molly Phillips who suffers from diabetes.'
LAMBS TO THE SLAUGHTER
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On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 07:44:55 -0500, wrote:
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'You’ve heard of implantable chips to track your pets,
No, you can NOT 'track' anyone with these chips,
you can ONLY identify someone that you are within inches of.
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31 Dec 2005 04:40:30 PM |
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"Never anonymous Bud" <newskat@katxyzkave.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 07:44:55 -0500, wrote:
Healthy Living: Microchips For People
'You've heard of implantable chips to track your pets,
No, you can NOT 'track' anyone with these chips,
you can ONLY identify someone that you are within inches of.
hey, what does it matter if the chips are tracking devices or not when
you've got a bunch of extremist paranoids in national office, in the
military and law enforement, using countless other devices and techniques
to track the private lives of citizens. they can just as easily add a
tracking chip. it's within current technology.
i wonder how you'd feel with a tracking chip rammed up your ***** to monitor
the foods, drink, and drugs you consume by monitoring the contents of your
stinky bowels?
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31 Dec 2005 05:20:01 PM |
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On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:40:30 -0800, "yunobushstinx"
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hey, what does it matter if the chips are tracking devices
Because dumbasses like CLAIM they are, but they aren't.
You're a really uselessly confrontational idiot.
plonk
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31 Dec 2005 05:58:41 PM |
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"Never anonymous Bud" <newskat@katxyzkave.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:40:30 -0800, "yunobushstinx"
<sendatApeback2dazoo@woowoo.net> wrote:
hey, what does it matter if the chips are tracking devices
Because dumbasses like CLAIM they are, but they aren't.
You're a really uselessly confrontational idiot.
plonk
once again, stupid, i have to illuminate you to the fact that tracking
chips are now a reality. they're even used to track lost pets via
gps...and many more applications with various cutting edge
high-technologies. it's simple to include more technology to convert any
non-tracking device to a tracking device. now, if i was a naive turd like
yourself, trusting that the stated application is ALL that it does, and
the corporate and goverment world were respectful of privacy and not
hiding any ulteriour motive, i'd come to the same fart-headed conclusion
you've come to regarding this particular kind of chip. thankfully, i'm not
as blissfully ignorant as you. but, since so many in our paranoid society
already are tracking innocent citizens, converting seemingly innocent
devices to covert tracking devices, and snooping into private lives via
other technologies and techniques, your point is totally moot. for
example, sniper noodles, your posts and everyone elses' on the net can so
easily be monitored by government or private industry. what you think you
gain by easy communication and entertainment (read: killing your boring
hours), is being used by someone surreptiously for info gathering. maybe
you don't give a flying ***** about massive snooping, but many others do.
and they're not as prosaic about their constitutional liberties being
trashed for profit and power as you are.
you fucking turd. you rarely start a thread here, but love to pick away at
others' . your behavior smacks of an individual that hasn't the guts to
take an initial stand on any issue, but get your rocks off chipping away
at others who have the guts.you pick away at what you THINK are those
posters that have less intelligence than you, elevating yourself in your
own delusions. but, you're a dumb egotistical fucker, and a
pathologically nitpicking psycho. now, is that enough "uselessly
confrontational" ***** for ya? or would you like some more, mister
i've-got-my-head-up-my-***** pseudo-intelluctual? your useless argumentative
existence here negates your accusation that i have no purpose here. suck
some more aggression-causing micro-brew down your neocon gullet for new
years' day to help ease your personality problems and a pervasive feeling
you've come out short on the stick as a worthwhile human being.
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01 Jan 2006 09:35:08 AM |
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On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:58:41 -0800, "yunobushstinx"
<sendatApeback2dazoo@woowoo.net> wrote:
"Never anonymous Bud" <newskat@katxyzkave.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:40:30 -0800, "yunobushstinx"
<sendatApeback2dazoo@woowoo.net> wrote:
hey, what does it matter if the chips are tracking devices
Because dumbasses like CLAIM they are, but they aren't.
You're a really uselessly confrontational idiot.
plonk
once again, stupid, i have to illuminate you to the fact that tracking
chips are now a reality. they're even used to track lost pets via
gps...and many more applications with various cutting edge
high-technologies. it's simple to include more technology to convert any
non-tracking device to a tracking device. now, if i was a naive turd like
yourself, trusting that the stated application is ALL that it does, and
the corporate and goverment world were respectful of privacy and not
hiding any ulteriour motive, i'd come to the same fart-headed conclusion
you've come to regarding this particular kind of chip. thankfully, i'm not
as blissfully ignorant as you. but, since so many in our paranoid society
already are tracking innocent citizens, converting seemingly innocent
devices to covert tracking devices, and snooping into private lives via
other technologies and techniques, your point is totally moot. for
example, sniper noodles, your posts and everyone elses' on the net can so
easily be monitored by government or private industry. what you think you
gain by easy communication and entertainment (read: killing your boring
hours), is being used by someone surreptiously for info gathering. maybe
you don't give a flying ***** about massive snooping, but many others do.
and they're not as prosaic about their constitutional liberties being
trashed for profit and power as you are.
you fucking turd. you rarely start a thread here, but love to pick away at
others' . your behavior smacks of an individual that hasn't the guts to
take an initial stand on any issue, but get your rocks off chipping away
at others who have the guts.you pick away at what you THINK are those
posters that have less intelligence than you, elevating yourself in your
own delusions. but, you're a dumb egotistical fucker, and a
pathologically nitpicking psycho. now, is that enough "uselessly
confrontational" ***** for ya? or would you like some more, mister
i've-got-my-head-up-my-***** pseudo-intelluctual? your useless argumentative
existence here negates your accusation that i have no purpose here. suck
some more aggression-causing micro-brew down your neocon gullet for new
years' day to help ease your personality problems and a pervasive feeling
you've come out short on the stick as a worthwhile human being.
ROFLMFAO!!!! Well said. But I'm sure Bud the Dud will have his
typical response and call you stupid once again.
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On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 20:24:52 GMT, Never anonymous Bud
<newskat@katxyzkave.net> wrote:
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 07:44:55 -0500, wrote:
Healthy Living: Microchips For People
'You’ve heard of implantable chips to track your pets,
No, you can NOT 'track' anyone with these chips,
you can ONLY identify someone that you are within inches of.
Hahahah, you IDIOT. Ever hear of GPS? Why waste my time on un-educated
buffoons like you, Bud the Dud.Hahahahahahah
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02 Jan 2006 11:29:42 AM |
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On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 20:24:52 GMT, Never anonymous Bud
<newskat@katxyzkave.net> wrote:
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 07:44:55 -0500, wrote:
Healthy Living: Microchips For People
'You've heard of implantable chips to track your pets,
No, you can NOT 'track' anyone with these chips,
you can ONLY identify someone that you are within inches of.
Hahahah, you IDIOT. Ever hear of GPS? Why waste my time on un-educated
buffoons like you, Bud the Dud.Hahahahahahah
hoohoohoohooo....bud, the ever lurking snap turtle of useless
confrontations.
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03 Jan 2006 05:21:47 AM |
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On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 09:29:42 -0800, "yunobushstinx"
<sendatApeback2dazoo@woowoo.net> wrote:
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On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 20:24:52 GMT, Never anonymous Bud
<newskat@katxyzkave.net> wrote:
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 07:44:55 -0500, wrote:
Healthy Living: Microchips For People
'You've heard of implantable chips to track your pets,
No, you can NOT 'track' anyone with these chips,
you can ONLY identify someone that you are within inches of.
Hahahah, you IDIOT. Ever hear of GPS? Why waste my time on un-educated
buffoons like you, Bud the Dud.Hahahahahahah
hoohoohoohooo....bud, the ever lurking snap turtle of useless
confrontations.
Notice Bud the Dud has nothing else to say? Hahahahah
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| User: "The CO" |
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14 Jan 2006 08:54:10 AM |
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On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 20:24:52 GMT, Never anonymous Bud
<newskat@katxyzkave.net> wrote:
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 07:44:55 -0500, wrote:
Healthy Living: Microchips For People
'You’ve heard of implantable chips to track your pets,
No, you can NOT 'track' anyone with these chips,
you can ONLY identify someone that you are within inches of.
Hahahah, you IDIOT. Ever hear of GPS?
Yes, and apparently, unlike you, I know how it works.
Specifically, I know what is needed for it to pick up
the necessary satellites. Unless someone repealed the laws
of physics while I wasn't looking, your 'tracking chip' would
require things that can't built into something small enough
to embedd under the skin - even assuming you could get power to
run it...
It would need, at a minimum:-
1) A decent antenna system resonant at the frequency used by the GPS
satellite constellation. The frequecy they use is almost unaffected by
attenuation by water vapour (clouds/fog).
2) A powered preamp to bring the incredibly weak signal far enough above
the thermal noise floor for a receiver to be able to decode the time
stamped data and ephemeris information. It would of course require a
power source.
3) The receiver itself - which of course also requires a power source.
4) A CPU and firmware package that can
a) Decode and store the ephemeris information (so the unit 'knows'
where each sat is in its orbit. This requires flash memory for the
firmware and RAM for volatile storage. It also requires power - quite a
bit.
b) Run the necessary spherical geometry calculations to work out
where it is in reference to each satellite. A 2 dimensional fix
requires the unit to be able to receive at least 3 satellites (2D - no
altitude information) a 3D fix (giving altitude above the geoid (Mean
Sea Level) requires at least 4 satellites.
5) Some method - presumable a transmitter - to send this information to
whatever is tracking it. This would require respectable amounts of power.
Now, lets look at an RFID chip. What is it exactly?
It has no embedded gps - in fact it has *no idea* where it is.
What it DOES have is a code stored in non volatile ram and a very
tiny antenna in the microwave range connected to a rectifier filter
arrangement that when fed enough RF at a particular frequency from the
scanner head can prduce (barely) enough energy to power an incredibly
low powered transmitter. The chip cannot work on it's own. You need to
pass a scanner head literaly within *inches* of it, the flea power
transmitter (which likewise has a range measured in inches) then sends
the encoded serial number to the scanner head.
It does NOT allow you to *track* anyone unless they stand within
literally inches of the scanner head every time they move - it doesn't
know how to use GPS or anything else. It can't.
It can't send position data to anything or anyone.
Now it's obviously possible to build a system around a gps and
transmitter that can indeed send position code to a remote site.
This has been doable for years.
What IS NOT possible with current technology is to build it all into a
1mm square chip that can be embedded subcutaneously.
There are systems in use now and they have been around for some years,
they are often built into vehicle fleets so dispatchers can track where
there drivers are REALLY going - but that's quite easy with current
technology, but you are talking about a box about 6" around and an inch
deep that runs off the vehicle electrical systems.
Now I'm just guessing, but I'd probably notice if someone tried to embed
something that big in my arm.
Consider this:
A miniature gps receiver can be as small as an inch or so and can run on
about 3vdc. I have quite a nice one, made by Sony, and another somewhat
older and larger made by Motorola that needs 5v. BOTH require a
separate antenna (several inches long and about an inch in diameter)
AND an external preamp - which must also be powered. The Sony will
flatten a pair of AA alkalines in about 24 hours, and that's without ANY
ability to transmit data, the Moto will drain 3 of them in about the
same time.
Your idea that it would fit under the skin is clearly impossible.
So lets look at the side of it. You don't define what
or how your supposed 'tracking chip' actually sends its data to.
So we can make a couple of assumptions.
1) Direct to a satellite somewhere
2) To the cellular network (which is what most of the commercial vehicle
systems do.)
3) To a network of specialised receivers situated somewhere..
Let's look at the first.
Direct transmission to a satellite even in LEO requires significant
amounts of power - sat phones are bulky because they have relatively
high powered transmitters and physically large antennas to give as much
transmit and receive gain as possible - even then the sat has highly
sensiitive receivers and high gain antennas and ultra low noise preamps.
If you are trying to do this from a 1mm square chip you are going to
have two problems. One is that the person is going to notice when it's
sending because the amount of power needed would be enough to make such
a small device burn a hole in their skin - this assumes that there is
some way for it to get enough power from within a human (or animal) body
to actually run it in the first place. The most advanced medical
devices we have aren't yet able to generat enough power from chemical or
thermal differentials in the body to generate enough power to run a
pacemaker without a device significantly larger than 1mm square.
Making the device smaller certainly makes the amount of power it needs
much less - but it also makes the amount of power it can use and
dissipate the waste heat from (no transmitter is anything like 100%
efficient) To generate enough power to reach a sat in orbit would
require significant levels of power - particularly when the antenna
system must also be included in your supposed 1mm square chip.
So lets go to the cell phone idea.
This is slightly more realistic but only slightly - again the amount of
power a cell phone generates to create a (mostly) reliable link is
orders of magnitude what could be generated in a device that size with
no external power sources. It's quite possible to embed a GPS in a cell
phone - indeed I understand that such phones are now being made in the
US. This is a long way from a 'tracking chip' that will fit under your
skin.
So how about the specialised receiver network. Perhaps more possible
from a purely physics viewpoint - but completely impractical - you'd
need a national network of these things literally every few feet to be
able to track someone by the chip id. The most you could do would be to
put them at the entrance to a sensitive area and 'ident' them as they
pass through the portal. That would be possible, but it doesn't require
or use a gps. I would suspect that in the future government or military
installations might well have such 'smart doors' - if they don't already.
So quite frankly your 'track via GPS' notion is quite nonsensical for a
subcutaneous single chip device small enough to put under someones skin.
One of the biggest problems would be the power required.
Put it this way - if you figure out a way to do this with a single chip
device small enough to embed - run, don't walk to your nearest major
electronics manufacturer (HP, Sony, Motorla et al) with a working
prototype. You'll be a millionaire in a week when they buy the patent.
This assumes you can solve the problem of how to power it, that alone
would make you incredibly wealthy - it's possible to generate VERY SMALL
amounts of power within the body using various methodologies, but enough
to do what you claim would be quite impossible with present technology.
Oh, one more thing, normal GPS devices don't *transmit* anything to the
satellite - or anything else - to locate their position.
To grossly oversimplify the process - they listen to the different time
stamped codestreams(the sats have an extremely accurate atomic clock
(actually 2, one cesium, one rubidium) having downloaded the ephemeris,
which is also embedded in the codestream (it tells the unit where the
sat is in orbit at any given instant) the receiver sychronisses it's
onboard clock with the sats and then measures the delay between the
transmission of the time stanped position code signal and the time it
receives it - the delay time can then be calculated into a distance to
the satellite - using the known constant of the speed of light.
It's not quite that simple of course - the math it uses to get the
initial time 'hack' is basically brute force - but once it has a time
fix, the rest is relatively easy.
Once it has a distance the receiver 'knows' it is effectively somehwere
on the surface of an imaginary sphere with the sat at the centre.
Repeat this for several sats, which are all in different orbits, and you
can calculate a single point where the delay from all the sats fits the
received timestamps and apply this to a model of the earths surface -
which gives you your location.
I'm not going to go into the intricacies of speed and direction
calculations, but it's quite simple if you can update the postion
constantly. 3 sats will give you a position 'line' that will correspond
to a single point on the geoid - but it will be unable to distinguish
the altitude without a 4th fix - the 4th sat then allows your receiver
to calculate an altitude.
Military and civil GPS systems use slightly different postion codes -
the civil version is slighly less accurate - roughly a CEP of around
30ft on average - though it is usually rather more accurate.
The satellite geometry - where the sats are in relation to each other
and the gps receiver - also affects the accuracy and the receiver can
calculate an accuracy weighting. In general, sats spaced well apart
give a better quality fix. Naturally the more sats you can get a fix
from the smaller the area of uncertainty gets. Most modern GPS
receivers have 12 or even 16 separate receivers that can track that many
sats simultaneously. The information derived can be output as postion
code, usually in the NMEA protocol originally created for marine
navigation equipment like LORAN and autopilots etc.
Amateur radio operators do a form of this, google on APRS and you will
be able to download software that will track the location of various
radio amateurs who are running APRS beacons - but they are most
definitely not embedded under their skin - they are using standard off
the shelf or home built radio equipment and commercial gps receivers.
Much of the data is accessible via the internet - you can see the
positions of hams all over - including on ships and yachts etc at sea.
Why waste my time on un-educated
buffoons like you, Bud the Dud.Hahahahahahah
Now Zak, do you think I'm 'uneducated' too?
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14 Jan 2006 09:04:36 AM |
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"Now Zak, do you think I'm 'uneducated' too?"
The CO
Gosh. That seems to be an awfully long and detailed essay just to make
a point.
It's well made, but somehow the effort appears to be disproportionate
to the satisfaction achieved.
Congratulations anyway.
Werewolfy
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24 Jan 2006 02:20:12 AM |
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Werewolfy wrote:
"Now Zak, do you think I'm 'uneducated' too?"
The CO
Gosh. That seems to be an awfully long and detailed essay just to make
a point.
Not just to make a point. Someone, somewhere may read it be
enlightened. If anything, it was designed to dispel some of the FUD
with the cold light of an appraisal of how they work. Too many people
simply see a black box and wonder how it works, often getting the wrong
idea. For instance, many people seem to think that a handheld GPS is
engaged in a two way dialogue with the sat constellation to work out
where it it is. This is of course not the case.
It's well made, but somehow the effort appears to be disproportionate
to the satisfaction achieved.
Imparting knowledge is never a disproportionate effort.
Congratulations anyway.
Thanks.
Cheers
The CO
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01 Jan 2006 01:45:09 PM |
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On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 10:17:48 -0500, wrote:
Hahahah, you IDIOT. Ever hear of GPS? Why waste my time on un-educated
buffoons like you, Bud the Dud.Hahahahahahah
The implantable chips have NOTHING to do with GPS,
and it's ONLY you that continually embarrass yourself here.
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02 Jan 2006 10:29:22 AM |
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On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 10:17:48 -0500, wrote:
Hahahah, you IDIOT. Ever hear of GPS? Why waste my time on un-educated
buffoons like you, Bud the Dud.Hahahahahahah
The implantable chips have NOTHING to do with GPS,
and it's ONLY you that continually embarrass yourself here.
haha@you. you've pooped your pants here so many times with your inane
utterances it's pathetic!!!
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On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 10:17:48 -0500, wrote:
Hahahah, you IDIOT. Ever hear of GPS? Why waste my time on un-educated
buffoons like you, Bud the Dud.Hahahahahahah
The implantable chips have NOTHING to do with GPS,
and it's ONLY you that continually embarrass yourself here.
haha@you. you've pooped your pants here so many times with your inane
utterances it's pathetic!!!
woops! i meant ha-ha at bud, not you, zak. bud must have an awfully
swollen ***** sack every day. all that vitriolity towards nearly everyone.
i bet every time he sits down, people around him can hear the *****
gurgling inside him!!! he needs an immediate operation to relieve his
backed-up urine or else he may explode at any moment, drowning innocent
people in a urinal flood of biblical proportions!!!
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02 Jan 2006 05:00:36 AM |
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On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 19:45:09 GMT, Never anonymous Bud
<newskat@katxyzkave.net> wrote:
On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 10:17:48 -0500, wrote:
Hahahah, you IDIOT. Ever hear of GPS? Why waste my time on un-educated
buffoons like you, Bud the Dud.Hahahahahahah
The implantable chips have NOTHING to do with GPS,
and it's ONLY you that continually embarrass yourself here.
Come on NORTON,why do you think GPS was invented anyway, to help you
find your way? Hahahaha you are the one embarassing yourself there Bud
the Dud, as for me i really don't give a flying ***** what you or
anyone else says, I will continue my goal.
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