Apparently, the student didn't have the "proper identification" on him,
and told the police not to touch him - so they tasered him. 3 times.
Those cops are on the wrong side of the bars, IMHO.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g7zlJx9u2E
Woods
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16 Nov 2006 05:51:33 PM |
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On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 23:33:32 GMT, Woodswun <woodswun@tepidmail.com>
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Apparently, the student didn't have the "proper identification" on him,
and told the police not to touch him - so they tasered him. 3 times.
Those cops are on the wrong side of the bars, IMHO.
Perhaps you are right, but that guy was also a 'mad man'. I've been
bothered by cops more than once for being in the wrong place at the
wrong time. Did I act like that?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g7zlJx9u2E
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16 Nov 2006 06:08:33 PM |
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On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 23:51:33 +0000, a wrote:
On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 23:33:32 GMT, Woodswun <woodswun@tepidmail.com>
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Apparently, the student didn't have the "proper identification" on him,
and told the police not to touch him - so they tasered him. 3 times.
Those cops are on the wrong side of the bars, IMHO.
Perhaps you are right, but that guy was also a 'mad man'. I've been
bothered by cops more than once for being in the wrong place at the
wrong time. Did I act like that?
What do you mean, "mad man"? His hands were cuffed behind his back!!
Wouldn't you be screaming if someone electrocuted you while your hands
were cuffed behind your back?!?
Woods
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g7zlJx9u2E
Woods
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16 Nov 2006 07:19:44 PM |
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On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 00:08:33 GMT, Woodswun <woodswun@tepidmail.com>
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On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 23:51:33 +0000, a wrote:
On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 23:33:32 GMT, Woodswun <woodswun@tepidmail.com>
wrote:
Apparently, the student didn't have the "proper identification" on him,
and told the police not to touch him - so they tasered him. 3 times.
Those cops are on the wrong side of the bars, IMHO.
Perhaps you are right, but that guy was also a 'mad man'. I've been
bothered by cops more than once for being in the wrong place at the
wrong time. Did I act like that?
What do you mean, "mad man"? His hands were cuffed behind his back!!
Wouldn't you be screaming if someone electrocuted you while your hands
were cuffed behind your back?!?
Woods
I think, an innocent person has nothing to gain, but everything to
loose by that kind of behaviour. I'm not saying that I always trust
police officers, but what would be the point fighting with cops?
That's not a scenario where I expect I can win.
I think its better to be passive; don't antagonize them. If it were
not in a classroom where there were many witnesses, the guy might have
behaved differently. Would police behave that inaprobriately with
slew of witnesses all around? The video did not give the complete
story.
But then again, if I felt innocent, it would certainly make me angry,
but I'm not sure what I would do. I've tried to be confrontational
with cops once before and it didn't work. I don't think I would want
to try it that way again...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g7zlJx9u2E
Woods
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16 Nov 2006 07:30:14 PM |
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The video did not give the complete story.
Exactly a...etc. Far from the complete story. Woodsy, I've no idea
where you arrived at the 'wouldn't show identification as he left the
library' bit. It's not in the video.
Actually, I thought the Police were too restrained. How many times do
they have to tell him to 'get up'? I would have dragged him off by his
hair.
I rather liked this video,. Seems quite accurate to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2FV3297tq4&NR
Werewolfy
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16 Nov 2006 08:48:22 PM |
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On 16 Nov 2006 17:30:14 -0800, "Werewolfy" <Werewolfy1@yahoo.co.uk>
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a...@b.com wrote:
The video did not give the complete story.
Exactly a...etc.
It's 'mondo'. You usually pick up right away but didn't catch me this
time. We agree on something again.
I think that guy was absolutely nuts!!! A lot worse could have
happened to him than be 'dragged off by his hair' as you suggested.
He looked like an attention seeker to me (and I'm not saying that I
agree with the "Patriot Act). Why would a 'sane' person try to be
confrontational with police who posses weapons when they don't have
one themselves? Tha seems kind of stupid!!!
I wondered whether all the other people in the video knew him or
understood the situation. I'm not sure, but I suspect not. It looked
like he was trying to attract quite a crowd. There really are too
many unknowns.
If the guy was some sort of political activist trying to prove a point
by making a scene and attracting lots of attention, then he succeeded!
In that case, I would be more understanding But I think he was just
plain just nuts!!
I noticed a few people in the crowd stood up for him by asking the
officers for identification, I admired that about them. There was
just something I found noble and touching about their gesture.
Far from the complete story. Woodsy, I've no idea
where you arrived at the 'wouldn't show identification as he left the
library' bit. It's not in the video.
Actually, I thought the Police were too restrained. How many times do
they have to tell him to 'get up'? I would have dragged him off by his
hair.
I rather liked this video,. Seems quite accurate to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2FV3297tq4&NR
Werewolfy
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17 Nov 2006 04:14:01 AM |
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It's 'mondo'. You usually pick up right away but didn't catch me this
time. We agree on something again.
Ah! I didn't...but I'm never all that suprised when I we are of one
mind, Mondo. Most of the finer relationships and friendships seem to
start in dissent, progress through understanding and end in mutual
respect.
I'll buy the coffee....;)
Ricky
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16 Nov 2006 06:25:48 PM |
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Woodswun wrote:
What do you mean, "mad man"? His hands were cuffed behind his back!!
Wouldn't you be screaming if someone electrocuted you while your hands
were cuffed behind your back?!?
Ummm. A little premature in condemnation, Woodsy. What happened BEFORE
is very important. Having decided to restrain the person, it's obvious
the student..or whatever he was..acted un-cooperatively and appears to
be one of those 'difficult' individuals.
To restrain under such circumstances with just a Tasar is humane
enough. Better than shooting him, or, in the UK, kicking his head in.
It's by no means clear if the Police were acting unreasonably in this
video. Despite that, you have convicted them.
Sorry Woodsy. Police don't have 'super powers', nor the ability to
remain detached when being attacked. We too react to a situation, and
the reasons for that are simply known as 'human nature'. If you demand
a Police Force that acts with dignity when assaulted or spat upon, you
had better start making robots.
Werewolfy
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16 Nov 2006 06:40:08 PM |
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On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 16:25:48 -0800, Werewolfy wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
What do you mean, "mad man"? His hands were cuffed behind his back!!
Wouldn't you be screaming if someone electrocuted you while your hands
were cuffed behind your back?!?
Ummm. A little premature in condemnation, Woodsy. What happened BEFORE
is very important. Having decided to restrain the person, it's obvious
the student..or whatever he was..acted un-cooperatively and appears to
be one of those 'difficult' individuals.
He failed to show ID and wouldn't leave the library, so the library
called the police. Certainly wrong on his part, and a charge of
trespassing may be called for. There is no evidence that the individual
made any threatening moves whatsoever. He certainly made no threatening
moves during the course of the video.
To restrain under such circumstances with just a Tasar is humane
enough. Better than shooting him, or, in the UK, kicking his head in.
It's by no means clear if the Police were acting unreasonably in this
video. Despite that, you have convicted them.
I don't know under what circumstances police in the UK have authority to
use tasers, but in the U.S. they are to be used only if the officer(s)
are in danger. Police departments are given them as an alternative to
using deadly force - but they are for the exact same situations where an
officer would be justified in shooting someone. A handcuffed individual,
regardless of what transpired earlier, never fits into that category.
Sorry Woodsy. Police don't have 'super powers', nor the ability to
remain detached when being attacked. We too react to a situation, and
the reasons for that are simply known as 'human nature'. If you demand a
Police Force that acts with dignity when assaulted or spat upon, you had
better start making robots.
I certainly do not expect anyone to use a potentially lethal weapons
simply for being yelled at, let alone police who are dealing with a
handcuffed individual. As far as I'm concerned, those "police officers"
belong in jail, and a loss of all benefits (including pensions) not on a
police force.
Woods
Werewolfy
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21 Nov 2006 08:46:29 AM |
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PLOCEI IS SIEK I DONT KLIKE PROLICE
Woodswun wrote:
Apparently, the student didn't have the "proper identification" on him,
and told the police not to touch him - so they tasered him. 3 times.
Those cops are on the wrong side of the bars, IMHO.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g7zlJx9u2E
Woods
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Very interesting, Sandy !
But did Nostradamus foresee this ?!?!
HOOROO
UNCLE WALLY
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Woodswun wrote:
Apparently, the student didn't have the "proper identification" on him,
and told the police not to touch him - so they tasered him. 3 times.
Those cops are on the wrong side of the bars, IMHO.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g7zlJx9u2E
Woods
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17 Nov 2006 07:03:44 AM |
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Woodswun wrote:
Apparently, the student didn't have the "proper identification" on him,
and told the police not to touch him - so they tasered him. 3 times.
Those cops are on the wrong side of the bars, IMHO.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g7zlJx9u2E
Woods
Just business as usual for LAPD. I have yet to meet a cop that isn't a
bully with a badge. I'm beginning to think that police acadamies sift out
the ones that show any shred of compassion in the first few weeks of
training. The kid's lucky that they didn't cap his ***** out of hand.
Charly
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17 Nov 2006 09:58:48 AM |
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Charly the ***** wrote:
"I have yet to meet a cop that isn't a bully with a badge. I'm
beginning to think that police acadamies sift out the ones that show
any shred of compassion"
It's a natural reaction amongst many to rebel against authority and to
use words such as, 'a bully with a badge' in an effort to disguise the
basic fact that people do not like being told what to do.
The situations and dangers to which a Police Officer is exposed will
quickly refute the 'bully' character assassination. Oh yes, a few are
over-zealous and enjoy their authority. These never last too long
though.
Your description might well change rather quickly..should you have
sudden need of a Police Officer to defend you. He won't be a 'bully
with a badge' under those circumstances...would he?
Compassion..along with becoming involved in your work...is a dangerous
attribute. If one wishes to hold on to ones sanity, then NEVER become
involved and always perform your work without fear or favour. It's a
demanding job. Bullies never stay the course and are rooted out by
their colleagues.
Spend a few weeks picking up dead bodies, being attacked by drunks or
any of the unwholesome tasks Society expects a Police Officer to
perform. Your opinion might well change. Never forget that Police are
human..if you need law-enfocers devoid of emotion, build some robots or
something.
Werewolfy
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17 Nov 2006 01:12:16 PM |
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Werewolfy wrote:
Charly the ***** wrote:
"I have yet to meet a cop that isn't a bully with a badge. I'm
beginning to think that police acadamies sift out the ones that show
any shred of compassion"
It's a natural reaction amongst many to rebel against authority and to
use words such as, 'a bully with a badge' in an effort to disguise the
basic fact that people do not like being told what to do.
The situations and dangers to which a Police Officer is exposed will
quickly refute the 'bully' character assassination. Oh yes, a few are
over-zealous and enjoy their authority. These never last too long
though.
Your description might well change rather quickly..should you have
sudden need of a Police Officer to defend you. He won't be a 'bully
with a badge' under those circumstances...would he?
Compassion..along with becoming involved in your work...is a dangerous
attribute. If one wishes to hold on to ones sanity, then NEVER become
involved and always perform your work without fear or favour. It's a
demanding job. Bullies never stay the course and are rooted out by
their colleagues.
Spend a few weeks picking up dead bodies, being attacked by drunks or
any of the unwholesome tasks Society expects a Police Officer to
perform. Your opinion might well change. Never forget that Police are
human..if you need law-enfocers devoid of emotion, build some robots or
something.
Werewolfy
I don't need police protection, I'm thoroughly capable of protecting myself
and my family. I keep my '2nd Amendment' close to hand at all times. I have
gun control; that being a three-inch group at fifty feet. What I need is
protection from the police, given the latest crop of repressive Fascist
usurpations of my Constitutional Rights and Liberties passed by the Shrub
administration and the rubberstamp Congrease. I don't buy the 'if you've
done nothing wrong, you've nothing to fear' line. Once legislation is on
the book, it applies to everyone. I've seen too many instances of selective
enforcement to believe in the system. What we have here now is a case of
'the finest Justice that money can buy'. If you don't have any money, you
can't buy any Justice. You're from the UK, right? It's different over
here. Cops shoot first and don't bother to ask questions, it takes less
paperwork. I'm more worried about getting shot out of hand by some
overzealous rookie cop than I am about ANYTHING some turbaned Terrorist
might do. At least with RoboCop, there's a program running under the shell
that isn't open to 'interpretation' in the field. BTW, I've seen enough
deaders to last three lifetimes. The Interstate is a dangerous place. Torn
to shreds, burned to a crackly crunch, splattered like a bug on the
windshield, tumbled into hamburger, you name it. Momentum is a harsh and
unforgiving mistress.
Charly
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17 Nov 2006 08:31:46 PM |
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I don't need police protection, I'm thoroughly capable of protecting myself
and my family. I keep my '2nd Amendment' close to hand at all times. I have
gun control; that being a three-inch group at fifty feet. What I need is
protection from the police, given the latest crop of repressive Fascist
usurpations of my Constitutional Rights and Liberties passed by the Shrub
administration and the rubberstamp Congrease. I don't buy the 'if you've
done nothing wrong, you've nothing to fear' line. Once legislation is on
the book, it applies to everyone. I've seen too many instances of selective
enforcement to believe in the system. What we have here now is a case of
'the finest Justice that money can buy'. If you don't have any money, you
can't buy any Justice. You're from the UK, right? It's different over
here. Cops shoot first and don't bother to ask questions, it takes less
paperwork. I'm more worried about getting shot out of hand by some
overzealous rookie cop than I am about ANYTHING some turbaned Terrorist
might do. At least with RoboCop, there's a program running under the shell
that isn't open to 'interpretation' in the field. BTW, I've seen enough
deaders to last three lifetimes. The Interstate is a dangerous place. Torn
to shreds, burned to a crackly crunch, splattered like a bug on the
windshield, tumbled into hamburger, you name it. Momentum is a harsh and
unforgiving mistress.
Charly
I can see both your points. The type of neighbourhood one lives, age,
race, dress, affluence and situation can be some of many factors that
determine people's impression of the police.
For instance, where I live the cops are often a menace. They are
usually looking for a druggie, or thief. It's easy to get in the
middle of something, just by being in the wrong place at the wrong
time. Cops are seldom friendly or polite when they stop you. I am
often afraid and cautious of them. But still, they leave you alone
once they find out you are not a criminal and you have the proper ID.
But still, it's a menace.
/regardubg the Police, the US handles that they way they handle many
other problems. They 'fix' problems rather than prevent them. That's
their philosophy about a lot of things. They spend lots trying 'fix'
problems, but they won't spend a penny to try and figure what makes
them materialize in the first place.
If you go to a doctor in the States, he can tell you all sorts of
scientific wonders as to what you can do to 'cure' yourself. If
however you go to ask how to prevent a problem from happening, they
usually can't tell you much!!!
That's what keeps the system 'functioning' while everyone suffers.
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18 Nov 2006 04:24:40 AM |
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"The type of neighbourhood one lives, age race, dress, affluence and
situation can be some of many factors that determine people's
impression of the police."
That's very true, Mondo. Mind, these are also the factors that
determine how the Police view you!
"Cops are seldom friendly or polite when they stop you. I am
often afraid and cautious of them. But still, they leave you alone
once they find out you are not a criminal and you have the proper ID.
But still, it's a menace."
Confidence helps. I never have a problem in any (well I'll come to that
later) Country with Police. Act nervously and it's not too suprising
that suspicions are aroused, even if your concerns are based simply on
the fear of authority...and it's suprising how many people feel like
that too!
It's always a question of a snap judgement of the individual you are
stopping that dictates the way an interview will go. Some people
dislike 'friendliness' from Authority, others are ignorant bastards to
whom politeness is an alien subject. So, in general, I was rarely
polite or impolite, friendly or scourning. Just asking that which I
felt needed to be asked. The dialogue would then either become less
formal, or more aggresive, depending upon the responses
A few Countries, Kenya and Nepal spring to mind, have 'Police' that are
poorly paid, untrained and love to display their authority over others.
I consider these places to not really have a Police Service, more of a
Dictators personal bodyguard than a guardian of the law.
That said, I know Police Offices in dozens of lands..from Australia,
the Far East, through to America and Canada. There is a common bond and
appreciation of one-another, so I suppose I'm not really in any
position to see matters from a 'man in the street's' viewpoint.
My objection to 'Charley's' post stemmed from his assertion that all
Police were 'badge carrying bullies'. That's exactly the sort of
attitude which will bring out the darker side of an individual, and a
Police Officer is human. No, treat your interrogator with respect..and
respect will...well, should be returned. Argue, rant or resort to
threats/ violence is a certain way of losing. Whether Charley likes it
or not, a Policeman is doing a job and if he cares to make the
performance of that work more awkward by argumentative means, expect
swift reaction.
" the US handles that they way they handle many other problems. They
'fix' problems rather than prevent them. That's their philosophy about
a lot of things. They spend lots trying 'fix'problems, but they won't
spend a penny to try and figure what makes them materialize in the
first place."
Yes. UK Police are always involved with the Community, examining the
root cause of a problem, and prevention of crime is a high priority.
Perhaps American Officers could sell a few of their guns to fund such a
project?
The most urgent reform in American criminal law..from a prevention
standpoint..is the immediate removal of any right for the public to
possess a gun. Americans will bleat about their ridiculous
'Constitution' and ignore the simple matter that this was written when
the Land was young, and a very different place to as it is now. Charley
can show you all the way..He can make a start by going down to his
Police Station and surrendering all of his weaponry. A lengthy course
of rehabilitation, where the subject matter is 'How not to brag about
your ability to kill people' should follow..and be compulsory for all
US Citizens.
I suspect my 'popularity rating' has fallen quite a bit now...;)
Werewolfy
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18 Nov 2006 09:27:46 AM |
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Werewolfy wrote:
The most urgent reform in American criminal law..from a prevention
standpoint..is the immediate removal of any right for the public to
possess a gun.
Take that right away, and the only members of the public who will
possess guns will be the criminal element -- because they don't abide
by the law as it stands now. For instance, it is already illegal for
members of the criminal element to murder someone with a gun, but it
happens everyday.
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18 Nov 2006 10:45:47 AM |
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Steven Douglas wrote:
Take that right away, and the only members of the public who will
possess guns will be the criminal element -- because they don't abide
by the law as it stands now. For instance, it is already illegal for
members of the criminal element to murder someone with a gun, but it
happens everyday.
Of course Steven. That's obvious.
It's the law in the UK...and possesion of a gun attracts lengthy
sentences. Those elements who wish to murder, will always manage to
obtain a firearm. That said, it isn't all that easy a thing to do,
certainly not simple as America allows.
Compare UK gun crime/population statistics alongside American gun
crime/population statistics.
I do believe that will show you the flaw in your arguement. Guns are
everywhere in America. A burglar may pick up a few dozen as he busies
himself at night. Ban the things.
Werewolfy
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18 Nov 2006 04:17:57 PM |
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Werewolfy wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Take that right away, and the only members of the public who will
possess guns will be the criminal element -- because they don't abide
by the law as it stands now. For instance, it is already illegal for
members of the criminal element to murder someone with a gun, but it
happens everyday.
Of course Steven. That's obvious.
It's the law in the UK...and possesion of a gun attracts lengthy
sentences. Those elements who wish to murder, will always manage to
obtain a firearm. That said, it isn't all that easy a thing to do,
certainly not simple as America allows.
Compare UK gun crime/population statistics alongside American gun
crime/population statistics.
I do believe that will show you the flaw in your arguement. Guns are
everywhere in America.
Yet they're really only a major problem in certain inner city areas,
just as in your country:
[excerpt] Speaking on Radio Five Live, Tory leader Iain Duncan Smith
said some inner city areas were almost "lawless" following the growth
of a gangs and guns culture.
And he said the rise in gun crime was linked to "the huge increase in
the drugs culture that's taking place in the cities that's literally
ripping apart the inner cities, breaking this fabric down". [end
excerpt]
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2640817.stm
In my neighborhood, I don't really know which of my neighbors does or
does not own a gun. And that's the way it should be. Guns can be a
deterent if criminals are not sure who or what they might encounter
when committing their crimes. But if all law abiding citizens are
somehow disarmed by some government fiat, that will only comfort and
embolden criminals.
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18 Nov 2006 08:06:52 PM |
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On 18 Nov 2006 14:17:57 -0800, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote:
[excerpt] Speaking on Radio Five Live, Tory leader Iain Duncan Smith
said some inner city areas were almost "lawless" following the growth
of a gangs and guns culture.
And he said the rise in gun crime was linked to "the huge increase in
the drugs culture that's taking place in the cities that's literally
ripping apart the inner cities, breaking this fabric down". [end
excerpt]
The twisted thing is that there is also a *HUGE* demand for drugs and
prostitution by some of the more affluent 'elements' our society. It's
a huge underworld that no one talks about much. It's not just the
inner cities. The drug problem should be tackled there first because
that's the engine keeping the thing rolling. They seldom get much of
the 'rap' though. Money can obscure almost anything, as always.
Many people in the inner cities are stuck there because of poverty,
lack of opportunity and lots of environmental factors. They don't have
all the "options" that you seem to think they do. No amount of
policing will fix that, because that's not where the problem starts.
They are not the ones at the top of the 'food chain'. They are
actually at the bottom.
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| Title: Re: LAPD Tasers UCLA Student 3 x (twice for "not standing up") |
19 Nov 2006 12:59:06 AM |
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wrote:
On 18 Nov 2006 14:17:57 -0800, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote:
[excerpt] Speaking on Radio Five Live, Tory leader Iain Duncan Smith
said some inner city areas were almost "lawless" following the growth
of a gangs and guns culture.
And he said the rise in gun crime was linked to "the huge increase in
the drugs culture that's taking place in the cities that's literally
ripping apart the inner cities, breaking this fabric down". [end
excerpt]
The twisted thing is that there is also a *HUGE* demand for drugs and
prostitution by some of the more affluent 'elements' our society. It's
a huge underworld that no one talks about much. It's not just the
inner cities. The drug problem should be tackled there first because
that's the engine keeping the thing rolling. They seldom get much of
the 'rap' though. Money can obscure almost anything, as always.
Many people in the inner cities are stuck there because of poverty,
lack of opportunity and lots of environmental factors. They don't have
all the "options" that you seem to think they do.
Actually, I thought I mentioned that inner city crime has a detrimental
effect on opportunities in the inner city, because businesses will move
to lower crime areas and take those jobs with them. My point was to say
"crime causes poverty" ...
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: LAPD Tasers UCLA Student 3 x (twice for "not standing up") |
19 Nov 2006 02:39:48 AM |
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On 18 Nov 2006 22:59:06 -0800, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote:
a@b.com wrote:
On 18 Nov 2006 14:17:57 -0800, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote:
[excerpt] Speaking on Radio Five Live, Tory leader Iain Duncan Smith
said some inner city areas were almost "lawless" following the growth
of a gangs and guns culture.
And he said the rise in gun crime was linked to "the huge increase in
the drugs culture that's taking place in the cities that's literally
ripping apart the inner cities, breaking this fabric down". [end
excerpt]
The twisted thing is that there is also a *HUGE* demand for drugs and
prostitution by some of the more affluent 'elements' our society. It's
a huge underworld that no one talks about much. It's not just the
inner cities. The drug problem should be tackled there first because
that's the engine keeping the thing rolling. They seldom get much of
the 'rap' though. Money can obscure almost anything, as always.
Many people in the inner cities are stuck there because of poverty,
lack of opportunity and lots of environmental factors. They don't have
all the "options" that you seem to think they do.
Actually, I thought I mentioned that inner city crime has a detrimental
effect on opportunities in the inner city, because businesses will move
to lower crime areas and take those jobs with them.
My point was to say"crime causes poverty" ...
And what about that Christian, crystal-head that just recently got
exposed for his drug use and homosexual activity. Was he poor?
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: LAPD Tasers UCLA Student 3 x (twice for "not standing up") |
19 Nov 2006 04:21:56 PM |
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wrote:
On 18 Nov 2006 22:59:06 -0800, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote:
wrote:
On 18 Nov 2006 14:17:57 -0800, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote:
[excerpt] Speaking on Radio Five Live, Tory leader Iain Duncan Smith
said some inner city areas were almost "lawless" following the growth
of a gangs and guns culture.
And he said the rise in gun crime was linked to "the huge increase in
the drugs culture that's taking place in the cities that's literally
ripping apart the inner cities, breaking this fabric down". [end
excerpt]
The twisted thing is that there is also a *HUGE* demand for drugs and
prostitution by some of the more affluent 'elements' our society. It's
a huge underworld that no one talks about much. It's not just the
inner cities. The drug problem should be tackled there first because
that's the engine keeping the thing rolling. They seldom get much of
the 'rap' though. Money can obscure almost anything, as always.
Many people in the inner cities are stuck there because of poverty,
lack of opportunity and lots of environmental factors. They don't have
all the "options" that you seem to think they do.
Actually, I thought I mentioned that inner city crime has a detrimental
effect on opportunities in the inner city, because businesses will move
to lower crime areas and take those jobs with them.
My point was to say"crime causes poverty" ...
And what about that Christian, crystal-head that just recently got
exposed for his drug use and homosexual activity. Was he poor?
What was his crime? And if he wasn't poor, what was his reason for
committing his crime?
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: LAPD Tasers UCLA Student 3 x (twice for "not standing up") |
19 Nov 2006 11:13:15 PM |
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And what about that Christian, crystal-head that just recently got
exposed for his drug use and homosexual activity. Was he poor?
What was his crime?
If I were Jesus, and I was making the judgment, I would say that his
greatest crime was that he bore false witness of me. In my books
that's worse than the drugs or the prostitution.
The guy admitted to being a deceptive liar. I need no additional
proof of anything. His *word* is not trustworthy!! Did he lie about
the 'greatness' of Jesus also?
By having others believe things that he apparently did not genuinely
believe himself, he tainted the Christ image and that of all of
Christ's followers.
And if he wasn't poor, what was his reason for
committing his crime?
Why he lied and bore false witness of the Christ?
I do not know!!! You should ask him that.... not me!!
But the way it looks to me is that most Christians are criminals.
They are liars that because they carry a false witness of a Christ
which they cannot possibly know, or prove.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: LAPD Tasers UCLA Student 3 x (twice for "not standing up") |
19 Nov 2006 02:56:16 AM |
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On 18 Nov 2006 22:59:06 -0800, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote:
a@b.com wrote:
On 18 Nov 2006 14:17:57 -0800, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote:
[excerpt] Speaking on Radio Five Live, Tory leader Iain Duncan Smith
said some inner city areas were almost "lawless" following the growth
of a gangs and guns culture.
And he said the rise in gun crime was linked to "the huge increase in
the drugs culture that's taking place in the cities that's literally
ripping apart the inner cities, breaking this fabric down". [end
excerpt]
The twisted thing is that there is also a *HUGE* demand for drugs and
prostitution by some of the more affluent 'elements' our society. It's
a huge underworld that no one talks about much. It's not just the
inner cities. The drug problem should be tackled there first because
that's the engine keeping the thing rolling. They seldom get much of
the 'rap' though. Money can obscure almost anything, as always.
Many people in the inner cities are stuck there because of poverty,
lack of opportunity and lots of environmental factors. They don't have
all the "options" that you seem to think they do.
Actually, I thought I mentioned that inner city crime has a detrimental
effect on opportunities in the inner city, because businesses will move
to lower crime areas and take those jobs with them.
My point was to say"crime causes poverty" ...
.... and what about those poor starving souls in India that I heard
wouldn't so much as kill a fly (or cow). How did they get poor?
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| User: "Werewolfy" |
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| Title: Re: LAPD Tasers UCLA Student 3 x (twice for "not standing up") |
19 Nov 2006 04:06:10 AM |
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wrote:
On 18 Nov 2006 22:59:06 -0800, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote:
wrote:
On 18 Nov 2006 14:17:57 -0800, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote:
[excerpt] Speaking on Radio Five Live, Tory leader Iain Duncan Smith
said some inner city areas were almost "lawless" following the growth
of a gangs and guns culture.
And he said the rise in gun crime was linked to "the huge increase in
the drugs culture that's taking place in the cities that's literally
ripping apart the inner cities, breaking this fabric down". [end
excerpt]
The twisted thing is that there is also a *HUGE* demand for drugs and
prostitution by some of the more affluent 'elements' our society. It's
a huge underworld that no one talks about much. It's not just the
inner cities. The drug problem should be tackled there first because
that's the engine keeping the thing rolling. They seldom get much of
the 'rap' though. Money can obscure almost anything, as always.
Many people in the inner cities are stuck there because of poverty,
lack of opportunity and lots of environmental factors. They don't have
all the "options" that you seem to think they do.
Actually, I thought I mentioned that inner city crime has a detrimental
effect on opportunities in the inner city, because businesses will move
to lower crime areas and take those jobs with them.
My point was to say"crime causes poverty" ...
... and what about those poor starving souls in India that I heard
wouldn't so much as kill a fly (or cow). How did they get poor?
I like the emphasis you put on the root causes, Mondo. Very accurate.
Actually, drugs and prostitution requirements are not simply a problem
for the 'inner cities'. So many affluent people buy the
'poducts'...that's where the bulk of the cash in that trade comes from.
The demand is from Bishops and Doctors, Accountants and..of course,
politicians!
I can't believe Steven. He lives in another world. He went to the
trouble to highlight statistics...but when you look at them, you see
they were commisioned by;
(sic) "The research, commissioned by the Countryside Alliance's
Campaign for
Shooting, has concluded that existing laws are targeting legitimate
users of firearms rather than criminals."
That's about as biased as you can get. It's like compiling similar
statistics commisioned by the Texas hunting society.
It's all wrong. Only the poor and inadequate of Society are dealt with
on a firm basis. I should like to see more arrests of affluent
respected members of the land who use prostitutes and drugs with
impunity from the law..no one is really chasing them. The poor are so
much easier to catch. Remove the widespread use and demand for drugs
made by that class, and the 'market' will fall dramatically.
Much as in your Prohibition days, drug suppliers are simply meeting the
demands of the public..especially the public who can afford to buy
their 'services'
Werewolfy.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: LAPD Tasers UCLA Student 3 x (twice for "not standing up") |
19 Nov 2006 12:04:13 PM |
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I like the emphasis you put on the root causes, Mondo. Very accurate.
Actually, drugs and prostitution requirements are not simply a problem
for the 'inner cities'. So many affluent people buy the
'poducts'...that's where the bulk of the cash in that trade comes from.
The demand is from Bishops and Doctors, Accountants and..of course,
politicians!
I can't believe Steven. He lives in another world. He went to the
trouble to highlight statistics...but when you look at them, you see
they were commisioned by;
(sic) "The research, commissioned by the Countryside Alliance's
Campaign for
Shooting, has concluded that existing laws are targeting legitimate
users of firearms rather than criminals."
That's about as biased as you can get. It's like compiling similar
statistics commisioned by the Texas hunting society.
It's all wrong. Only the poor and inadequate of Society are dealt with
on a firm basis. I should like to see more arrests of affluent
respected members of the land who use prostitutes and drugs with
impunity from the law..no one is really chasing them. The poor are so
much easier to catch. Remove the widespread use and demand for drugs
made by that class, and the 'market' will fall dramatically.
Much as in your Prohibition days, drug suppliers are simply meeting the
demands of the public..especially the public who can afford to buy
their 'services'
People like Steven like to believe such things because it spares them
of the responsibility of caring for the needy 'brothers". How very
"Christian"!!!''
Werewolfy.
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: LAPD Tasers UCLA Student 3 x (twice for "not standing up") |
19 Nov 2006 04:50:36 PM |
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wrote:
I like the emphasis you put on the root causes, Mondo. Very accurate.
Actually, drugs and prostitution requirements are not simply a problem
for the 'inner cities'. So many affluent people buy the
'poducts'...that's where the bulk of the cash in that trade comes from.
The demand is from Bishops and Doctors, Accountants and..of course,
politicians!
I can't believe Steven. He lives in another world. He went to the
trouble to highlight statistics...but when you look at them, you see
they were commisioned by;
(sic) "The research, commissioned by the Countryside Alliance's
Campaign for
Shooting, has concluded that existing laws are targeting legitimate
users of firearms rather than criminals."
That's about as biased as you can get. It's like compiling similar
statistics commisioned by the Texas hunting society.
It's all wrong. Only the poor and inadequate of Society are dealt with
on a firm basis. I should like to see more arrests of affluent
respected members of the land who use prostitutes and drugs with
impunity from the law..no one is really chasing them. The poor are so
much easier to catch. Remove the widespread use and demand for drugs
made by that class, and the 'market' will fall dramatically.
Much as in your Prohibition days, drug suppliers are simply meeting the
demands of the public..especially the public who can afford to buy
their 'services'
People like Steven like to believe such things because it spares them
of the responsibility of caring for the needy 'brothers". How very
"Christian"!!!''
You know nothing about me, yet you feel free to judge me based on a
*false* conclusion you have decided upon, and with which you have
decided to *falsely* define me. It's your privelege to judge me all you
want, but it has absolutely no bearing on who I am. Clear enough,
little buddy?
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| User: "mukyuk" |
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| Title: Re: LAPD Tasers UCLA Student 3 x (twice for "not standing up") |
21 Nov 2006 04:55:34 AM |
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"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1163976635.954380.136910@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
a@b.com wrote:
I like the emphasis you put on the root causes, Mondo. Very accurate.
Actually, drugs and prostitution requirements are not simply a problem
for the 'inner cities'. So many affluent people buy the
'poducts'...that's where the bulk of the cash in that trade comes from.
The demand is from Bishops and Doctors, Accountants and..of course,
politicians!
I can't believe Steven. He lives in another world. He went to the
trouble to highlight statistics...but when you look at them, you see
they were commisioned by;
(sic) "The research, commissioned by the Countryside Alliance's
Campaign for
Shooting, has concluded that existing laws are targeting legitimate
users of firearms rather than criminals."
That's about as biased as you can get. It's like compiling similar
statistics commisioned by the Texas hunting society.
It's all wrong. Only the poor and inadequate of Society are dealt with
on a firm basis. I should like to see more arrests of affluent
respected members of the land who use prostitutes and drugs with
impunity from the law..no one is really chasing them. The poor are so
much easier to catch. Remove the widespread use and demand for drugs
made by that class, and the 'market' will fall dramatically.
Much as in your Prohibition days, drug suppliers are simply meeting the
demands of the public..especially the public who can afford to buy
their 'services'
People like Steven like to believe such things because it spares them
of the responsibility of caring for the needy 'brothers". How very
"Christian"!!!''
You know nothing about me, yet you feel free to judge me based on a
*false* conclusion you have decided upon, and with which you have
decided to *falsely* define me. It's your privelege to judge me all you
want, but it has absolutely no bearing on who I am. Clear enough,
little buddy?
Did you give 10% or more of your income to the poor as Jesus suggested? I
mean not including, taxes because those are payments to the rich and
powerfull.
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| User: "mukyuk" |
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| Title: Re: LAPD Tasers UCLA Student 3 x (twice for "not standing up") |
21 Nov 2006 04:57:18 AM |
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Did you give 10% or more of your income to the poor as Jesus suggested? I
mean not including, taxes because those are payments to the rich and
powerfull.
And if not, why?
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: LAPD Tasers UCLA Student 3 x (twice for "not standing up") |
21 Nov 2006 11:36:44 PM |
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mukyuk wrote:
Did you give 10% or more of your income to the poor as Jesus suggested? I
mean not including, taxes because those are payments to the rich and
powerfull.
And if not, why?
You have chosen to jump to a *false* conclusion about me with no
evidence. What qualifies you to judge me when you know nothing about me?
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