"Perseid" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message
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"John Lemke" <jflemke@locallink.net> Spat the Words

"Bye" <3@4.com> wrote in message news:hkIBg.332584$IK3.38694@pd7tw1no...

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Thanks, Mondo.

I think I could have done a better job of asking my question tho. So to
supplement: Does anyone know how much of the oil produced from this
operation goes overseas (Asia) and how much comes to the U.S.?

I heard a figure when this was announced last night. It said
the shortfall represents 2% of US consumption. I'm not sure what
that figure represents. It could be interpreted at least a couple
different ways.

Exxon will "interpret:" it as a $.30 per gallon rise at the pump. :-)

Perseid wrote:

"John Lemke" <jflemke@locallink.net> Spat the Words

"Bye" <3@4.com> wrote in message news:hkIBg.332584$IK3.38694@pd7tw1no...

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Thanks, Mondo.

I think I could have done a better job of asking my question tho. So to
supplement: Does anyone know how much of the oil produced from this
operation goes overseas (Asia) and how much comes to the U.S.?

I heard a figure when this was announced last night. It said
the shortfall represents 2% of US consumption. I'm not sure what
that figure represents. It could be interpreted at least a couple
different ways.

400,000 barrels (42 gallons per) a day, that's what came out of the BP
operation, or roughly 2/3rds of the output of the Pipe currently. The latest
is that BP is going to have to replace some 16 miles of plumbing, which
doesn't sound like all that much until you realize that pipe comes in 40 foot
lengths, or 132 sections per mile which have to be welded together, inspected,
then pressure tested for leaks before they can carry 'product' with any
reliability. You can usually get eight to ten lengths on a flatbed trailer,
depending on the diameter of the pipe. It's not all that warm on the North
Slope, even in summer, and winter comes early. Steel behaves in funny ways
when the temp drops below 0. Welds crystalize, stress cracks form next to the
welds from the rapid heating and cooling, all kinds of fun stuff like that. I
don't expect work to be complete before next spring. Expect the price of fuel
to go up at least 20% in the interim. That's four bucks a gallon, folks. Happy
motoring. Aren't you glad you bought that 10 mpg Hummer?

Charly

Perseid wrote:

"John Lemke" <jflemke@locallink.net> Spat the Words

"Bye" <3@4.com> wrote in message
news:hkIBg.332584$IK3.38694@pd7tw1no...

8%

Thanks, Mondo.

I think I could have done a better job of asking my question tho. So
to
supplement: Does anyone know how much of the oil produced from this
operation goes overseas (Asia) and how much comes to the U.S.?

I heard a figure when this was announced last night. It said
the shortfall represents 2% of US consumption. I'm not sure what
that figure represents. It could be interpreted at least a couple
different ways.

400,000 barrels (42 gallons per) a day, that's what came out of the BP
operation, or roughly 2/3rds of the output of the Pipe currently. The
latest
is that BP is going to have to replace some 16 miles of plumbing, which
doesn't sound like all that much until you realize that pipe comes in 40
foot
lengths, or 132 sections per mile which have to be welded together,
inspected,
then pressure tested for leaks before they can carry 'product' with any
reliability. You can usually get eight to ten lengths on a flatbed
trailer,
depending on the diameter of the pipe. It's not all that warm on the
North
Slope, even in summer, and winter comes early. Steel behaves in funny ways
when the temp drops below 0. Welds crystalize, stress cracks form next to
the
welds from the rapid heating and cooling, all kinds of fun stuff like
that. I
don't expect work to be complete before next spring. Expect the price of
fuel
to go up at least 20% in the interim. That's four bucks a gallon, folks.
Happy
motoring. Aren't you glad you bought that 10 mpg Hummer?

Charly

Perseid wrote:

"John Lemke" <jflemke@locallink.net> Spat the Words

"Bye" <3@4.com> wrote in message
news:hkIBg.332584$IK3.38694@pd7tw1no...

8%

Thanks, Mondo.

I think I could have done a better job of asking my question tho. So
to supplement: Does anyone know how much of the oil produced from
this operation goes overseas (Asia) and how much comes to the U.S.?

I heard a figure when this was announced last night. It said
the shortfall represents 2% of US consumption. I'm not sure what
that figure represents. It could be interpreted at least a couple
different ways.

400,000 barrels (42 gallons per) a day, that's what came out of the BP
operation, or roughly 2/3rds of the output of the Pipe currently. The
latest is that BP is going to have to replace some 16 miles of plumbing,
which doesn't sound like all that much until you realize that pipe comes
in 40 foot lengths, or 132 sections per mile which have to be welded
together, inspected, then pressure tested for leaks before they can
carry 'product' with any reliability. You can usually get eight to ten
lengths on a flatbed trailer, depending on the diameter of the pipe.
It's not all that warm on the North Slope, even in summer, and winter
comes early. Steel behaves in funny ways when the temp drops below 0.
Welds crystalize, stress cracks form next to the welds from the rapid
heating and cooling, all kinds of fun stuff like that. I don't expect
work to be complete before next spring. Expect the price of fuel to go
up at least 20% in the interim. That's four bucks a gallon, folks. Happy
motoring. Aren't you glad you bought that 10 mpg Hummer?

Charly

"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
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I tried to look for that info, but didn't see it, but the other half found
this ->
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002245699_export17m.html
(well, energy is his biz, after all ;-)

While looking, I came across this rather disturbing bit of info:

http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/Usa/Oil.html

(read down a bit - Alaska hit peak oil some years ago, we're becoming
increasingly independent on imported oil, not less so).

But imported by whom? Who's really controling all of this? A diminishing
number of companies (monopoly) that don't invest their massive profits in
new refining capacity giving them the ability to control scarcity? There
hasn't been a new refinery built on American soil in 30 years. What's been
done to actually encourage competition in the oil industry other than to
hear the same propaganda you hear in the drug and banking industries ?
"Consolidation into larger companies will promote competition". Right.

Who are we really dependant on? Companies that are now earning record
profits and providing their top execs with $400 million retirement packages?
Not to mention what our politicians are getting in terms of retirement
packages.

What kind of relationships do we have with the oil producing countries? Is
our standing with Iraq growing more secure? Iran, Venezuela? Is continued
control and coerecion in foreign lands going to build the proper business
relationships? If the past is prologue then n places like the Caspian Basin
we're in big trouble.

Given the degree of ineptitude and corruption you see in the world I have
trouble believing anyone's reporting or policy. Given the "new" reserves
coming online, eventual access to Libyan reserves, Iraq eventually (a
country that's only 25% explored) and the Caspian Basin I've got a tough
time giving a lot of credence to
"peak oil" and general shortage.

The challenges are more in the areas of geopolitics and the corporate and
political monkeys managing those challenges.

We should be ramping up for biodiesel, IMHO.

I'm with you there a 100%, Woods Dump fossile fuels, save the planet from
polution and war and keep the fat cats out of it. Like there's a chance of
that happening.

Thanks............

Woodswun wrote:

On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 18:39:52 -0400, John Lemke wrote:

"Bye" <3@4.com> wrote in message news:hkIBg.332584$IK3.38694@pd7tw1no...

8%

Thanks, Mondo.

I think I could have done a better job of asking my question tho. So to
supplement: Does anyone know how much of the oil produced from this
operation goes overseas (Asia) and how much comes to the U.S.?

I tried to look for that info, but didn't see it, but the other half found
this ->
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002245699_export17m.html
(well, energy is his biz, after all ;-)

While looking, I came across this rather disturbing bit of info:

http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/Usa/Oil.html

(read down a bit - Alaska hit peak oil some years ago, we're becoming
increasingly independent on imported oil, not less so).

I've read quite a bit on peak oil. My understanding is that the US as
a whole hit its peak in the early 70s...the peak for the world as a
whole is believed to be imminent, but there is no way of knowing for
sure until after the fact.

We should be ramping up for biodiesel, IMHO.

Indeed...any and all alternates we can find. Once you look into it, it
is amazing how much of everything we do or make relies on petroleum.
It's more a question of "what doesn't need petroleum?"

Jane

Woods