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"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
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"cesar" <cesar@no.email> wrote in message

<snipped cesar's patented idiot rhetoricals that ignore the noble side
of human nature in favor of falsely attacking and judging Americans>

What is so NOBLE about indiscriminately dropping bombs on people?

What is

so noble about destroying a country at the cost of billions and asking

the

rest of the world for troops to help with the killing and money to help

pay

for it?

Hey dumbo, what is noble is liberating this country from the grip of a

dictator

that the world had already given conditions for behaving.

Don't go there. It was the CIA who put him there in the first place,

like they put other brutal dictators in power. Whatever you say about
Saddam, the situation was under control when the U.N. was handling it.

it's not. Now, the entire region and the world are going to be dragged

war.

You don't go there, if you have no clue.

or get a clue. Saddam didn't say a word about the anthrax until one day

the invasion.

With the German Blix there there was no chance the WMD part of the

would be implemented.

But Iraq had breached the resolution in other ways, it had threatened

stolen from Kuwait its archives and never given back its POWs as the

required,. That was not for Blix to decide, thank God. It was a breach

last chance to comply which consequences had to be implemented. And then

was the international terrorism financing.

You, get a clue. Read the resolutions.

Read what motivated the invasion. It was always the breach of its many
conditions. The UN was only handling it because it made a resolution for

to abide by, and he didn't and the UN needed to implement them.

Your propaganda doesn't change the truth. Most of the Iraqis, and their
neighbors are 1000 times better off.

Are they? They're on the brink of civil war and you're saying they're
better off? How many more U.S. troops do you think it will take and for

much longer? If they were really better off, where is the

"Mission Accomplished" was over a year ago. Why do they need more

not less?

Yes.

Despite the continual lies from Al Jazirah and all the Arabs.

You think videos of maimed kids were staged? There has to be tremendous
hate brewing among those Arabs watching AJ but like it says in the

"Who can make war against the Beast"? Who can stand up to America

suffering the same fate? The whole world is watching his horror show.
People are getting killed, Jean. Young American soldiers too. It's
insanity with no end in sight. Everyone is bracing for more horror.

sure, this is going to end in Armageddon.

Yes, well, they don't show what Saddam did, they don't show even how an

dies. What they say and show is fan the hatred against the ;liberators

lies, like you do.

True there is killings, but by supporters of the tyranny, or of the

the liberation is done by the Americans, and the Arabs all promote more

WHICH THEY ARE ALSO RESPONSIBLE FOR by encouraging them and never say the

Yes there are heroes who fight them off.

The horror is not only on AlJazirah, it is AlJazirah.

The authorization for the use of force was from the UN. It doesn't

the

lies you, or all the cowards of the world, say. The murderer was Saddam.

Who

killed nearly half a million Iraqis in his mass graves.

If the U.N. had authorized it, it wouldn't be called Coalition of the
Willing.

You are an idiot. Did you read the resolutions at least, do you read what

The coalition of the willing is called "the allies of Kuwait" in the

They are the ones who are empowered to implement the resolution, (...).

The cease-fire was between them and Iraq, and they are the ones to lift it

Saddam refused to comply to UN demands.

As I showed you, he refused. It was automatic, it had always been, but

waited all the time, after 1441 it was the last chance o comply. Still

breached Kuwaiti sovereignty, encouraged international terrorism. THE

OF THE WILLING had to implement 687 and 1441. THis was not mere lies about

WMD. Who knows what he did with the WMD, we still don't know.

Maybe he shipped them to Kuwait or hide or destroyed them right until one

before the invasion, when he made a statement about the anthrax which is
probably the origin of the attack of 911 BTW.

You don't know he didn't have it. You just know he lied and refused total

it until one day before the invasion and Blix didn't want to implement the
resolution. Germany had his head too far up Saddam's *****.

The murderer Saddam started a war against Iran at the request of
America,

You are an idiot. I don't, know where you read such lies, but stop going

Hezbollah or ALJazirah propaganda links.

This is a total lie, doesn'T have a shred of any kind of truth. You are

even suggest it.

who did it in retaliation of the removal of the Shah and the U.S
embassy hostage taking.

Hahahahaha SO you are an idiot who buys propaganda lies from terrorists
supporters, big deal. The problem is that you can't even read history

lick the ***** OF THESE MURDERERS..

In early 1974 heavy fighting erupted in northern Iraq between government

and Kurdish nationalists, who rejected as inadequate a new Kurdish

based on the 1970 agreement. The Kurds, led by Mustafa al-Barzani

received arms and other supplies from Iran. After Iraq agreed in early

make major concessions to Iran in settling their border disputes, Iran

aid to the Kurds, and the revolt was dealt a severe blow. In July 1979

Bakr was succeeded by General Saddam Hussein, who immediately rounded up

of officials on charges of treason.

Tension between Iraq and the revolutionary regime in Iran increased during

when unrest among Iranian Kurds spilled over into Iraq. Sectarian

animosities exacerbated the differences. In September 1980 Iraq declared

1975 agreement with Iran, which President Hussein had negotiated, null and

and claimed authority over the entire disputed Shatt al-Arab estuary. The
quarrel flared into a full-scale war. Iraq quickly overran a large part of

Arab-populated province of Khuzistan and destroyed the Abadan refinery.

This had to do with Iran's overthrow of the Shah, only for the fact that

were more religious fanatics that hated Iraq.

Millions died. What do you expect when you put a
pschopathic murderer as your puppet governor of a client country?

You are insane, Saddam was not put there. You have no clue about history.

you can do is buy lies.

First of all Saddam was on the side of the Soviets. He never was put

staged a coup, killed the precedent government certainly not with the help

any American. This is insane. You are crazy, you cannot not know these are
outrageous lies. You are an idiot but more brainwashed than that, one

The only things the US did after the Iran hostage talking, when they had

weapons to Iran, is to even the score by giving satellite intelligence to

Otherwise it would have been unfair. They never did more. USSR on the

provided everything military to Iraq.

Funny you never mention that. Why? Because your propaganda sources stem

Arabs who hate the US and love the Soviets who supported the anti-Semites.

Pol Pot did worst. Rwanda was also a mass-acre. But the world did

nothing.

Right. And where was American indignation. Where were the U.S.

eh? The Canadian general's request for reinforcement was ignored and he
went into a deep depression, feeling personal guilt for the deaths of
800,000 people. Did Clinton give a *****? So don't give us your double
standard, Jean.

Well, they tried to do something against polpot, remember vietnam?

You can't
have it both way.

Now, about the African Genocide, Dallaire was in communication with the

the US, show me where the US had a say in Rwanda.

But the point is that Iraq was the one who invaded his neighbor and used

again this own and that they had a resolution implementing force if Saddam

on being noncompliance.

There was no resolution authorizing force in the other cases, which is why

failed.

Don't you listen, why do you repeat what I just said? You think you are a

alec by blaming the US for everything from the weather to the color of

underwears?

These are the true victims, that assholes like give their benediction

and

when there is one single resolution that allows force, agasint

non-compliance,

it takes 12 years, and a last cahngce resoltuion and still losers like

you,. or

France, or tions of other assholes, still whines like pigs but them

becasue they

ge kickbacks. You, simply because you are an idiot who can'T read a

resolution.

It is black on white.

You are the one who kisses the ***** of an assassin.

When the liberation takes one tenth of the lives of the thugs of Saddam

who took

them, it still will be a great day for Iraq.

Saddam was not going to live forever.

Idiot comment, his sons would have taken over.

The weapons inspection program was
working.

Again lie.

There is no peace in Iraq now and doesn't look like one is near.
In fact, a wider war is looming, thanks to the misguided adventure of

Bush Administration. In their twisted minds, they probably think a

war is exactly what's needed to downsize the world's population and to

rid of Islam once and for all.

You don't know that, there was a threat to kuwait every single day. The

the UN would have left it would have been the same ***** all over, same

with the WMD, and everything else, all he was waiting for was for the UN

to restart everything, and we still; have to find what he did with what he
probably had, we don't know yet, .

Didn't Bush use the word "Crusade" in the
beginning until his handlers told him to shut up? Now, he's saying

"Change the World". Didn't his father keep muttering, "New World

Look beyond Iraq, Jean. They have plans to destroy 2/3 of the world and
they think that's good for America. What do you say to that?

You are an idiot, the word crusade didn't have any religious overtone,

it is a word used every day. Again you are reading from propaganda lies.

terrorism after 9-11 is a crusade against terror. Nothing to do with the

ge crusade, look in the fucking dictionary dumbo.

As for the rest, it is even more crazy.

I don't know where you ge stupidities like that, plans to destroy 2/3 of

world, you re insane cesar, no wonder you changed your name and have no

about the Seer. You are crazy, or else you are an enraged rabid

Is suspect you take bits of Nostradamus stuff you can find that are

so that you can claim some kind of legitimacy in order to spread your

on this NG.

Canadian troops are serving everywhere except Iraq and their lives

are on

the line too.

Bah,m that was a screw up by Chretien. He was sure another resolution

coming

from the Americans, which was to change the actual resolution from

anhihilation to regime change, the consequences were stil there, just

as

heavy, and he made a commitment to go as soon as it was adopted.

Wrong. He preempted being asked to go to Iraq by committing most of our
troops to Afghanistan, where it is more of a patrol duty than a killing
field. (Most of them were already killed by the AC daisy cutters.)

Ha, true, he also had the excuse of not having enough troops. True, it was

a matter of not being able to spread thinner.

Thanks for reminding us, for a moment there I was making it sound like we

want to go for other reasons.

Thank you Cesar. :-)

Thyey still; are implementing it today, this week in fact, they have

realized

that they had to do it, even if it wasn't adopted, they are now making
provisions for the members of the old Baath party, which was the

resolution they

wanted to propose.

The resoltun that was there and had to be applied was for the total

anhihilation

of the regime.

Chretien should never have commited to act only if&when the other was to

be

adopted, it was a betrayal of the coalition.

Chretien and Martin are much wiser than you think. Besides, strategy,
there is an issue of Morality that overrides politics. They have souls

you know.

Yes, I'm sure they would want the resolution implemented, but they do not

very many troops.

Thanks for reminding us.

You would rather let armies of killers attack and kill their neighbors

without

the UN acting on it. Yes, that is very nice, to stay home and let the

killing go

on. Hitler would be proud of idiots like you.

Saddam was emasculated. He had no WMDs.

hahahahaha yeah, that is why we found 25 WMD programs. You have no clue

why don't you stick to your propaganda groups with your lies.

He wasn't committing any genocide
that warranted immediate invasion.

Yes he was, he killed all the POW of Kuwait despite the resolution, and

told what was happening with them. He had gone there to eradicate Kuwait.

didn't give back their national archives so that he could keep track of

single citizen. What the ***** planet do you live on?

He also was threatening to reannex them all the time. All that AFTER his

chance to comply with 687e which prohibited him all that. Don't you read

write? Are you like all the others here who can only write their leis and

look at why they are lies?

Don't compare him to Hitler as
justification.

Oh but he was, he was promoting murderers, serial killers against Jews,

because they were Jews. He WAS.

How long did the League of Nations let Hitler carry on and
never acted? How many turned a blind eye to the plight of the Jews?

same blind eye is now turned toward the Muslims of the region. If the

stood still as Hitler did his slaughter, the world is standing still now

America is embarking on a worse slaughter of unprecedented proportions.
Understand what Nostradamus wrote.

No, the world was going to let another Hitler get away with it another

despite its principle based on a resolution, and the UN still promotes
anti-semitism every chance they get.

Your lies is typical of those who dump their guilt on their victims. It

"the new Babylon, miserable daughter
enlarged by the abomination of the first holocaust..."

...which lasted exactly 73 years seven months
(http://www.michelnostradamus.org/henri2.html#BM47 )

This is communism dumbo, the length of state Communism was 1917-1991.

Nostradamus can predict exactly to the month the duration of this and

exegete in the world knows that.

Yet it is not surprising that you would ignore it and make up that those

free the world from this evil are the evil.

You dump the guilt of the murderers of the victims or those who do fight

evil. It is not a coincidence that you kiss the ***** of communists, which

who have support all the Arab anti-semitism.

But you fool no one here.

Let's try to explain it slowly, oppen your ears, take pout the peanut

butter in

them, and listen:

The UN did address trhe killionng of Saddam and stiopped it, And made

go

back, and instead of desteroying him, imposed him conditions that he

have

to abide by in order to avoid regime destruction.

He agreed, but he then went on and broke all these conditions. The UN,

remain

credible with threats to world peace, had to implement the lifting of

cease

fire between the coaliton (allies of Kuwait) and Iraq, that the breach

these

conditons had implied so many times before as consequences, but was

unavoidable

once the last cahnce resolution was voted. Ot else the UN would have

been

able to enforce anything agasint thugs, and more Rwanda, more Polpot,

Saddam mass gfrave would have been sure to happen without any

of

stopping them ever. This is black on white. If you are concerned like

say,

stop playing the prima donna, "oh we don't want soldier we want peace"

realize that i f a country would do that, doing that means that rogue

regime

would just invade and take over. Without opposition. But the UN preents

that,

yet trhere ae many regimes that are abusing but it is very rare that

are

resolutions authorizing force, only with Iraq, and with Afghanistan. I

have

shown you trhe resolutiosn,. Stop beign a baby and ignore them as if it

would

make the problem they address go away. Are you an idiot?

That's your spin and it's old news. Deal with the situation today and

to forecast what will happen next given that situation today.

Bah we can only deal with he truth. All we can predict is that the next

war by the Islamists assholes will begin in less than 20 years. The rest

cannot know for sure but when it will occur.

Only the present is the truth. The best way to deal with the truth is

all the lies by Al Jazirah. And ask assholes like you who promote them to

up and wake the *****.

This is the price to keep order and avoid mroe killings. There are muchj

less

killing going on during war time there, than there was under Saddam in

peace

time, when he woulod repress the Chiites or his own Sunni people. And
Afgahanistan was even worse the continual wars by the warlord.

You must be joking! Maybe America should destroy the whole world since
there are so many regional wars everywhere, eh?

All this becasue
of the Wahabism... which had brought 9-11.

Another fantasy. Wahabism is only the scapegoat.

In your dreams.

Those AQ recruits were
only pawns.

They were brainwashed fanatics.

We don't even know who actually were on those planes.

Oh, you are also insane about the 9-11 conspiracy theory... I

Yes dumbo, we KNOW who they were.

There are
accounts of police officers hearing a series of detonations as they
approached the buildings.

Yeah, and there re UFOs too.

We have the tapes that are shown every single day and you still; maintain
idiocies like that.

Engineers say one planeload of jet fuel that
spews black smoke don't melt steel all the way down 110 storeys into the
basement within an hour. Those buildings were more than likely

It was an "inside" job. The people who schemed it have the same

as you: What's the sacrifice of a few thousand people compared to the

of owning the second largest oil field in the world, now that the Saudis
can't be trusted. Oh, yea, let's make it look like the Saudi fanatics

it, to get the Saudis to stamp out the brewing fundamentalism in that
country... Let's create "Terrorism" and declare war against it in any
country we find it!

Jeez, even the culprit Bin Laden who was explaining how he did it on his

says he didn't expect the structure to melt.

This is for all to see. And it is documented.

But I see it is not any reason to speak with a brainwashed loser. You

listen to the truth, you hide your eyes from the truth and lick the ***** of

who destroy the truth.

This guy who sacrificed millions and
his life to defend his country is a hero.

Defend the U.S. from Iraqi WMDs that its ***** population are sure

use against the U.S. now?

You tell us, are a you lopette who would refuse to stop murderers

Saddam or

other thugs from rogue nations who kill hundreds of thousands?

Don't know what a "lopette" is but I'll take it as non-derogatory if it
means speaking out against politicians who think nothing of killing
thousands and hundreds of thousands and millions to come of innocent

women and children, let alone sending his nation's troops in harm's way

foreign lands to serve his special private interests.

Those who kill, dumbo, are ONLY the terrorists assholes.

To defend the world from them is not killing. Get a brush on the Geneva
convention and stop listening to the liars of your propaganda links

Or else go drown yourself.

Would you really vote against action to stop them (in the unlikely

eventuality

you were bright enough to be in public office and have a say in a vote

the

UN) as you claim to do becaue you are some kind of purist?

The U.N., unfortunately has very little power and what power it has, is
voided by the Veto power of certain permanent members of the Security
Council. Yet, it is a forum and I was very impressed and moved by the
speech of Dominic de Villepin and the reaction of the diplomats who

protocol by applauding his speech. That was a proud moment for France.
Even if it doesn't accomplish anything in terms of action on the ground,
people should speak out in indignation without worrying about diplomacy

ruffling feathers. You can't stop a superpower from doing whatever it

to do. But you can speak out against it.
What is wrong is wrong. Silence is tantamount to consent.

Yeah we know France are traitors.

We even change the words in indignation... Freedom fries!

I hope they get to pay for it. The US should sever all ties with France.

they won't, they are too good.

I tell you, 9-11 showed madness to the world, and that it was time to

the

madness because otherwise it would never stop.

And suppose 911 was a conspiracy that has nothing to do with Islam but a
conspiracy designed to destroy Islam and Muslims by framing them as the
scapegoat?

Yeah suppose you re an idiot that doesn't believe what Bin Laden admitted
himself because you have your head so far up the terrorists *****.

Idiot. Not even Bin Laden says otherwise anymore since he was debunked,.

tried at first to dump their guilt on others, like you still do. You are

idiot. All this is documented, we know the details.

And all the NG can see you for who you are, an agent of the terrorists.

This guy heeded the call. You don't even come close to his heel.

If you think a ***** like you is in danger, you are also an idiot.

I consider speaking out to be dangerous and if it gets me killed, I am
willing to pay that price for the sake of Righteousness.

cesar

You are not dangerous, you are stupid. Your lies do not fly here.

Terrorists who put these lies in feeble idiotic mind like yours will be

You, you are too dumb to even get that any of it is pure propaganda.

You will only be "dealt with" if you try to physically harm people because

these lies. Do you intend to?

J.

cesar a écrit:

"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
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I consider speaking out to be dangerous and if it gets me killed, I am
willing to pay that price for the sake of Righteousness.

cesar

You are not dangerous, you are stupid. Your lies do not fly here.

Terrorists who put these lies in feeble idiotic mind like yours will be

You, you are too dumb to even get that any of it is pure propaganda.

You will only be "dealt with" if you try to physically harm people because

these lies. Do you intend to?