Three years have passed since the horrific, devastating, earth
shaking, world changing catastrophic events of 9/11. The day all my
belief in the goodness of mankind in general was destroyed. I saw
pure evil for the very first time. My sense of security and safety
that I always felt comfortable having was no longer an emotion I
possessed. Only utter vulnerabilty.
The fright I experianced was nothing I've ever felt (ie when is the
next one coming) and nothing that I can adequately put into words.
And being that I was 21 years old when 9/11 happened - I also had the
disadvantage of never witnessing terrorist attacks; wars - suicide
bombers, Jihad - the fact that we (America) are considered "infidels"
and the like. This was all brand new to me.
And to have it on American soil; in New York.. and to have the planes
that were hijacked taked from Logon in Boston, the planes I've used
all my life - that was another oh-so-close-to home absolute mind
blower for me.
What happened on 9/11 was humanity at it's worst. To think of the
people jumping to their deaths from the Towers--My God :( ..can you
even imagine what was running through their minds: "either I stay in
this burning building hoping to somehow be saved - or I jump as a
flight or fight instinct. Imagine what it took for them to jump.
The desperation.
And the fearless fire fighters who were running *into* the buildings
while everyone else was running out. Yes, they are fire-fighters;
that is their profession.. but they are still *human* beings
underneath that uniform. Human beings just like us. Human beings
with a family at home that depend on them. And they still put all the
inherant fears and rationale we as humans possess as a whole aside and
with amazing COURAGE did what they were meant to do. True heroes.
And speaking of heroes - the men who took down the hijacked plane in
Pennsylvania saving God knows how many more lives were incredible and
amazing. Shining examples of the human spirit; and shining examples
of not knowing exactly how much we are capable of doing when we are
faced with overwhelming obstacles. Heroes.
If any of you want to add a few of your thoughts about 9/11 it would
be nice to dedicate this thread to it. Please: no political
riff-raff; no "sides" - no debate. Let's focus on the destruction; an
most of all.. the victims and their families.
Dani
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12 Sep 2004 07:51:50 AM |
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In article <66f7k0563ed7rg09r3il1sq9kvhvs7g3tr@4ax.com>, Dani <dani7200@hotmail.com> wrote:
Three years have passed since the horrific, devastating, earth
shaking, world changing catastrophic events of 9/11. The day all my
belief in the goodness of mankind in general was destroyed. I saw
pure evil for the very first time. My sense of security and safety
that I always felt comfortable having was no longer an emotion I
possessed. Only utter vulnerabilty.
The fright I experianced was nothing I've ever felt (ie when is the
next one coming) and nothing that I can adequately put into words.
And being that I was 21 years old when 9/11 happened - I also had the
disadvantage of never witnessing terrorist attacks; wars - suicide
bombers, Jihad - the fact that we (America) are considered "infidels"
and the like. This was all brand new to me.
And to have it on American soil; in New York.. and to have the planes
that were hijacked taked from Logon in Boston, the planes I've used
all my life - that was another oh-so-close-to home absolute mind
blower for me.
What happened on 9/11 was humanity at it's worst. To think of the
people jumping to their deaths from the Towers--My God :( ..can you
even imagine what was running through their minds: "either I stay in
this burning building hoping to somehow be saved - or I jump as a
flight or fight instinct. Imagine what it took for them to jump.
The desperation.
And the fearless fire fighters who were running *into* the buildings
while everyone else was running out. Yes, they are fire-fighters;
that is their profession.. but they are still *human* beings
underneath that uniform. Human beings just like us. Human beings
with a family at home that depend on them. And they still put all the
inherant fears and rationale we as humans possess as a whole aside and
with amazing COURAGE did what they were meant to do. True heroes.
And speaking of heroes - the men who took down the hijacked plane in
Pennsylvania saving God knows how many more lives were incredible and
amazing. Shining examples of the human spirit; and shining examples
of not knowing exactly how much we are capable of doing when we are
faced with overwhelming obstacles. Heroes.
If any of you want to add a few of your thoughts about 9/11 it would
be nice to dedicate this thread to it. Please: no political
riff-raff; no "sides" - no debate. Let's focus on the destruction; an
most of all.. the victims and their families.
We have seen the best and the worst of mankind's potential. Those who continue
to feel that being the aggressor, for whatever reason, is the "best" part of
mankind need only to think back on their perception of those who used planes to
kill innocent men, women and children. If we follow their example, we are no
better.
Woods
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12 Sep 2004 02:47:48 PM |
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Woodswun a écrit:
In article <66f7k0563ed7rg09r3il1sq9kvhvs7g3tr@4ax.com>, Dani <dani7200@hotmail.com> wrote:
Three years have passed since the horrific, devastating, earth
shaking, world changing catastrophic events of 9/11. The day all my
belief in the goodness of mankind in general was destroyed. I saw
pure evil for the very first time. My sense of security and safety
that I always felt comfortable having was no longer an emotion I
possessed. Only utter vulnerabilty.
The fright I experianced was nothing I've ever felt (ie when is the
next one coming) and nothing that I can adequately put into words.
And being that I was 21 years old when 9/11 happened - I also had the
disadvantage of never witnessing terrorist attacks; wars - suicide
bombers, Jihad - the fact that we (America) are considered "infidels"
and the like. This was all brand new to me.
And to have it on American soil; in New York.. and to have the planes
that were hijacked taked from Logon in Boston, the planes I've used
all my life - that was another oh-so-close-to home absolute mind
blower for me.
What happened on 9/11 was humanity at it's worst. To think of the
people jumping to their deaths from the Towers--My God :( ..can you
even imagine what was running through their minds: "either I stay in
this burning building hoping to somehow be saved - or I jump as a
flight or fight instinct. Imagine what it took for them to jump.
The desperation.
And the fearless fire fighters who were running *into* the buildings
while everyone else was running out. Yes, they are fire-fighters;
that is their profession.. but they are still *human* beings
underneath that uniform. Human beings just like us. Human beings
with a family at home that depend on them. And they still put all the
inherant fears and rationale we as humans possess as a whole aside and
with amazing COURAGE did what they were meant to do. True heroes.
And speaking of heroes - the men who took down the hijacked plane in
Pennsylvania saving God knows how many more lives were incredible and
amazing. Shining examples of the human spirit; and shining examples
of not knowing exactly how much we are capable of doing when we are
faced with overwhelming obstacles. Heroes.
If any of you want to add a few of your thoughts about 9/11 it would
be nice to dedicate this thread to it. Please: no political
riff-raff; no "sides" - no debate. Let's focus on the destruction; an
most of all.. the victims and their families.
We have seen the best and the worst of mankind's potential. Those who continue
to feel that being the aggressor, for whatever reason, is the "best" part of
mankind
Gee you mean the terrorists think that?
need only to think back on their perception of those who used planes to
kill innocent men, women and children. If we follow their example, we are no
better.
Follow their example? Yes, we all hope that the normal people who take
the plane and don't appreciate the bad service from the downgrading
resulting from the attacks, don't take it out on the pilots. LOL
Still, the only way to address this problem, like in Palestine, if the
Muslims won't address it themselves, is to get the aggressors. Until
they do.
First step in any road map, whether it be there or that of the future.
J.
Woods
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12 Sep 2004 07:52:34 PM |
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The topic is let us not forget.
We will never forget thirteen thousand innocent Iraqis killed by the American
invaders.
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12 Sep 2004 08:28:35 PM |
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someoneNasty@hotmails.com (AK)
wrote:
The topic is let us not forget.
We will never forget thirteen thousand
innocent Iraqis killed by the American
invaders.
The American soldiers are just doing the job they were commanded to do.
Kill or be killed.
Their commander in chief is who you never want to forget.
If it were up to me they wouldn't be there and you could have your dust
bowl of a country back just the way you like it with Mr. Sadsac Sandman
running it.
SuZanne
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13 Sep 2004 04:39:38 AM |
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Su Zanadu a écrit:
someoneNasty@hotmails.com (AK)
wrote:
The topic is let us not forget.
We will never forget thirteen thousand
innocent Iraqis killed by the American
invaders.
The American soldiers are just doing the job they were commanded to do.
Kill or be killed.
http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/36096.htm
QUESTION: Some critics of the war, especially over the last week when we
hit the mark of going above 1,000 casualties, have done some comparisons
to Vietnam. Do you ever see shades of Vietnam in what is happening in
Iraq now?
SECRETARY POWELL: No, and everybody always tries to take some past
experience and make a parallel with a current experience. Vietnam was 35
years ago, and I served two years in Vietnam, and I know a bit about it.
And we also lost something like 58,000 troops in Vietnam, so this is not
comparable to Vietnam.
We have lost 1,000 troops in the course of the year. I mourn for every
one of them. I mourn for their families. I have lost men and women in
combat myself. I know what it's like to send individuals into combat,
knowing that some will be lost. The only comfort we can get from this is
that they are fighting and giving up their lives or have been injured in
a good cause, a cause of bringing peace and freedom to 55 million people
in both Iraq and in Afghanistan. And that's noble work.
We have to stay with it. This is not the time for us to get faint, to
get weary, to say, well, you know, this is too hard, let's walk away. We
haven't done that in the past and we're not going to do it now.
Their commander in chief is who you never want to forget.
http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/36097.htm
MR. WALLACE: But wait, the President said he did under or miscalculate
the difficulty.
SECRETARY POWELL: We did miscalculate the difficulty, but we're not
miscalculating the challenge we're facing now. And that's why Secretary
Rumsfeld has left a larger force there than we expected to be leaving
there a few months ago. When the situation changes, you adjust to the
situation. The solution here is to make sure that we keep a strong
coalition force there and we build up Iraqi forces as quickly as
possible to bring this insurgency under control.
If it were up to me they wouldn't be there and you could have your dust
bowl of a country back just the way you like it with Mr. Sadsac Sandman
running it.
SuZanne
http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/36098.htm
SECRETARY POWELL: The Iraqi army was soundly defeated last year, as an
organized force. And it was a very successful military campaign. But
many of those individuals with their weapons or with access to other
weapons have now formed insurgencies, insurgent units, and what we have
to do now is defeat them once again, make sure that they are not
successful.
We have to keep clearly in mind that these are individuals who do not
want to see democracy, peace and freedom in Iraq. They want to take Iraq
back to the days of Saddam Hussein. The Iraqi people do not want to go
back to the days of Saddam Hussein. There is now an Iraqi Interim
Government consisting of very brave and dedicated men and women who get
up every day to try to move this country forward, and neither they,
their forces, nor the coalition forces are going to allow the insurgents
to take us back into the past.
(N.B. All this is merely a gist of each Sunday interviews with Powell on
yesterday's 3 main networks.)
J.
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13 Sep 2004 06:47:30 AM |
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Jean Guernon a écrit:
Su Zanadu a écrit:
someoneNasty@hotmails.com (AK)
wrote:
The topic is let us not forget.
We will never forget thirteen thousand
innocent Iraqis killed by the American
invaders.
The American soldiers are just doing the job they were commanded to do.
Kill or be killed.
http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/36096.htm
QUESTION: Some critics of the war, especially over the last week when we
hit the mark of going above 1,000 casualties, have done some comparisons
to Vietnam. Do you ever see shades of Vietnam in what is happening in
Iraq now?
SECRETARY POWELL: No, and everybody always tries to take some past
experience and make a parallel with a current experience. Vietnam was 35
years ago, and I served two years in Vietnam, and I know a bit about it.
And we also lost something like 58,000 troops in Vietnam, so this is not
comparable to Vietnam.
We have lost 1,000 troops in the course of the year. I mourn for every
one of them. I mourn for their families. I have lost men and women in
combat myself. I know what it's like to send individuals into combat,
knowing that some will be lost. The only comfort we can get from this is
that they are fighting and giving up their lives or have been injured in
a good cause, a cause of bringing peace and freedom to 55 million people
in both Iraq and in Afghanistan. And that's noble work.
We have to stay with it. This is not the time for us to get faint, to
get weary, to say, well, you know, this is too hard, let's walk away. We
haven't done that in the past and we're not going to do it now.
Their commander in chief is who you never want to forget.
http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/36097.htm
MR. WALLACE: But wait, the President said he did under or miscalculate
the difficulty.
SECRETARY POWELL: We did miscalculate the difficulty, but we're not
miscalculating the challenge we're facing now. And that's why Secretary
Rumsfeld has left a larger force there than we expected to be leaving
there a few months ago. When the situation changes, you adjust to the
situation. The solution here is to make sure that we keep a strong
coalition force there and we build up Iraqi forces as quickly as
possible to bring this insurgency under control.
If it were up to me they wouldn't be there and you could have your dust
bowl of a country back just the way you like it with Mr. Sadsac Sandman
running it.
SuZanne
http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/36098.htm
SECRETARY POWELL: The Iraqi army was soundly defeated last year, as an
organized force. And it was a very successful military campaign. But
many of those individuals with their weapons or with access to other
weapons have now formed insurgencies, insurgent units, and what we have
to do now is defeat them once again, make sure that they are not
successful.
We have to keep clearly in mind that these are individuals who do not
want to see democracy, peace and freedom in Iraq. They want to take Iraq
back to the days of Saddam Hussein. The Iraqi people do not want to go
back to the days of Saddam Hussein. There is now an Iraqi Interim
Government consisting of very brave and dedicated men and women who get
up every day to try to move this country forward, and neither they,
their forces, nor the coalition forces are going to allow the insurgents
to take us back into the past.
(N.B. All this is merely a gist of each Sunday interviews with Powell on
yesterday's 3 main networks.)
(Oups, my mistake, I thought one of the link was NBC (&CNN) meet the
press, but no, two are the same media here in these three. Sorry for the
hasty error.)
J.
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13 Sep 2004 06:23:22 AM |
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On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 09:39:38 GMT, Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net>
wrote:
SECRETARY POWELL: No, and everybody always tries to take some past
experience and make a parallel with a current experience. Vietnam was 35
years ago, and I served two years in Vietnam, and I know a bit about it.
And we also lost something like 58,000 troops in Vietnam, so this is not
comparable to Vietnam.
It's not relevant how many were killed in Iraq compared to Vietnam. Vietnam war
lasted many more years. Only thing relevant is that the Vietnamese like the
Iraqis are resisting the foreign invaders. Most Iraqis want the illegal invaders
to withdraw. That's the only parallel with Vietnam that matters.
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13 Sep 2004 06:54:19 AM |
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AK a écrit:
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 09:39:38 GMT, Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net>
wrote:
SECRETARY POWELL: No, and everybody always tries to take some past
experience and make a parallel with a current experience. Vietnam was 35
years ago, and I served two years in Vietnam, and I know a bit about it.
And we also lost something like 58,000 troops in Vietnam, so this is not
comparable to Vietnam.
It's not relevant how many were killed in Iraq compared to Vietnam. Vietnam war
lasted many more years. Only thing relevant is that the Vietnamese like the
Iraqis are resisting the foreign invaders. Most Iraqis want the illegal invaders
to withdraw. That's the only parallel with Vietnam that matters.
Bah, dream on of a civil war in Iraq, along with your terrorists
insurgents butt buddies, Cuan.
As Powell said on Meet the Press yesterday:
http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/36100.htm
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SECRETARY POWELL: It's always a possibility, but I don't think it's
going to happen. We have leaders in the Interim Government who represent
every element of Iraqi society. We have Kurds, Shia, Sunnis, they're all
working together. What are they working together for? To end the
insurgency, to build up Iraqi security forces so they can take care of
their own security, and to get ready for an election with the help of
the coalition and the help of the UN.
These are dedicated men and women who get up every day in order to keep
their country together, to work for a political outcome that reflects
the will of the Iraqi people when they're being attacked by insurgents.
And so, it is a difficult time. There is an insurgency that has to be
put down, and when that insurgency is put down, what the people of the
world will see are Iraqis in charge of their own destiny moving forward
toward an election that will provide for a representative form of
government, the creation of a constitution, the ratification of a
constitution, and it's going to be something that we will be able to be
proud of.
And so, this is a difficult time, as this insurgency still rages and as
we work to bring it under control, but it will be brought under control.
It's not an impossible task. And when it has been brought under control,
you will find that the forces that keep Iraq together are stronger than
the forces that would pull it apart.
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J.
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13 Sep 2004 02:54:14 AM |
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AK a écrit:
The topic is let us not forget.
We will never forget thirteen thousand innocent Iraqis killed by the American
invaders.
Innocents were never killed by Americans on purpose. In the civilians
that were, many were killed by subversive elements, and most of the rest
that were, were subversive elements.
You can wallow in your fartitude all you want, repeat your lies over and
over again, You cannot change that fact.
J.
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13 Sep 2004 04:27:26 AM |
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On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 07:54:14 GMT, Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net>
wrote:
We will never forget thirteen thousand innocent Iraqis killed by the American
invaders.
Innocents were never killed by Americans on purpose.
Since the US invaded Iraq by lying about WMD to install a friendly puppet
government to control the oil, the US is responsible.
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13 Sep 2004 06:35:07 AM |
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AK a écrit:
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 07:54:14 GMT, Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net>
wrote:
We will never forget thirteen thousand innocent Iraqis killed by the American
invaders.
Innocents were never killed by Americans on purpose.
Since the US invaded Iraq by lying about WMD to install a friendly puppet
government to control the oil, the US is responsible.
Terrorists are ALWAYS Responsible for the innocent victims that they
make or those that are collateral damage while going after them.
Anyway, SINCE the US never lied an never went to Iraq for that also
otherwise false purpose, IT COMES TO REASON THAT the US is not.
Thank you very much.
J.
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13 Sep 2004 04:59:31 PM |
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On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 00:52:34 GMT, AK <someoneNasty@hotmails.com>
wrote:
The topic is let us not forget.
The topic is Let us never forget which was written on the three year
anniversary of 9/11 and dedicated *only* to that.
We will never forget thirteen thousand innocent Iraqis killed by the American
invaders.
Then start a new thread that is dedicated to that.
Dani
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13 Sep 2004 10:35:22 PM |
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Dani <dani7200@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<386ck0desio4n37gt9nndigpvb22aecral@4ax.com>...
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 00:52:34 GMT, AK <someoneNasty@hotmails.com>
wrote:
The topic is let us not forget.
The topic is Let us never forget which was written on the three year
anniversary of 9/11 and dedicated *only* to that.
We will never forget thirteen thousand innocent Iraqis killed by the American
invaders.
Then start a new thread that is dedicated to that.
Dani
Dani, sorry I joined in the debate you didn't want in this thread. I
like everything you wrote when you started this thread, and I agree
with you. But this AK person supports terrorism -- and I don't think
he's noticed that any support he thought he had in this group has
pretty much evaporated.
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20 Sep 2004 12:33:14 AM |
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On 13 Sep 2004 20:35:22 -0700, (Steven Douglas)
wrote:
Dani, sorry I joined in the debate you didn't want in this thread.
No problem.
I
like everything you wrote when you started this thread, and I agree
with you.
Thank you.
But this AK person supports terrorism -- and I don't think
he's noticed that any support he thought he had in this group has
pretty much evaporated.
I rarely read his posts (I've basically been skimming lately..) but he
reminds me of someone who used to post here - can't quite put my
finger on it yet.
Dani
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14 Sep 2004 02:11:56 AM |
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On 13 Sep 2004 20:35:22 -0700, (Steven Douglas) wrote:
But this AK person supports terrorism --
This Steven character supports the invasion of sovereign countries by lying
about WMD.
and I don't think
he's noticed that any support he thought he had in this group has
pretty much evaporated.
Ha ha ha ha ha
Do you think I care about "support" I had in this or any group? What's your IQ?
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14 Sep 2004 07:25:37 AM |
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AK a écrit:
On 13 Sep 2004 20:35:22 -0700, (Steven Douglas) wrote:
But this AK person supports terrorism --
This Steven character supports the invasion of sovereign countries by lying
about WMD.
No, he supports the legitimacy of the UN that made an ultimatum after 12
years of breach, which was ignored. The weasels, especially France, are
the betrayers of he world.
and I don't think
he's noticed that any support he thought he had in this group has
pretty much evaporated.
Ha ha ha ha ha
Do you think I care about "support" I had in this or any group? What's your IQ?
Of course not, you are a parasite here.
J.
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14 Sep 2004 04:51:28 PM |
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On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 12:25:37 GMT, Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net>
wrote:
No, he supports the legitimacy of the UN that made an ultimatum after 12
years of breach,
That argument has shown to be inconsistent. Israel violated the UN resolution
for far more than 12 years.
----------- begin quote ------------------
UNSC 452, July 20, 1979
United Nations Security Council Resolution 452 (1979)
20 July 1979
The Security Council,
[...]
Considering that the policy of Israel in establishing settlements in the
occupied Arab territories has no legal validity and constitutes a violation of
the Fourth Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in
Time of War of 12 August 1949,
Deeply concerned by the practices of the Israeli authorities in implementing
that settlements policy in the occupied Arab territories, including Jerusalem,
and its consequences for the local Arab and Palestinian population,
Emphasizing the need for confronting the issue of the existing settlements and
the need to consider measures to safeguard the impartial protection of property
seized,
Bearing in mind the specific status of Jerusalem, and reconfirming pertinent
Security Council resolutions concerning Jerusalem and in particular the need to
protect and preserve the unique spiritual and religious dimension of the Holy
Places in that city,
Drawing attention to the grave consequences which the settlements policy is
bound to have on any attempt to reach a peaceful solution in the Middle East,
1. Commends the work done by the Commission in preparing the report on the
establishment of Israeli settlements in the Arab territories occupied since
1967, including Jerusalem;
2. Accepts the recommendations contained in the above-mentioned report of the
Commission;
3. Calls upon the Government and people of Israel to cease, on an urgent basis,
the establishment, construction and planning of settlements in the Arab
territories occupied since 1967, including Jerusalem;
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15 Sep 2004 08:39:13 AM |
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AK a écrit:
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 12:25:37 GMT, Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net>
wrote:
No, he supports the legitimacy of the UN that made an ultimatum after 12
years of breach,
That argument has shown to be inconsistent. Israel violated the UN resolution
for far more than 12 years.
Not relevant.
J.
----------- begin quote ------------------
UNSC 452, July 20, 1979
United Nations Security Council Resolution 452 (1979)
20 July 1979
The Security Council,
[...]
Considering that the policy of Israel in establishing settlements in the
occupied Arab territories has no legal validity and constitutes a violation of
the Fourth Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in
Time of War of 12 August 1949,
Deeply concerned by the practices of the Israeli authorities in implementing
that settlements policy in the occupied Arab territories, including Jerusalem,
and its consequences for the local Arab and Palestinian population,
Emphasizing the need for confronting the issue of the existing settlements and
the need to consider measures to safeguard the impartial protection of property
seized,
Bearing in mind the specific status of Jerusalem, and reconfirming pertinent
Security Council resolutions concerning Jerusalem and in particular the need to
protect and preserve the unique spiritual and religious dimension of the Holy
Places in that city,
Drawing attention to the grave consequences which the settlements policy is
bound to have on any attempt to reach a peaceful solution in the Middle East,
1. Commends the work done by the Commission in preparing the report on the
establishment of Israeli settlements in the Arab territories occupied since
1967, including Jerusalem;
2. Accepts the recommendations contained in the above-mentioned report of the
Commission;
3. Calls upon the Government and people of Israel to cease, on an urgent basis,
the establishment, construction and planning of settlements in the Arab
territories occupied since 1967, including Jerusalem;
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: Let us never forget.. |
14 Sep 2004 10:04:11 AM |
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In article
<886dk016mds1k8i3hiiddj4rt4nk0seq1k@4ax.com, AK
<someoneNasty@hotmails.com> wrote:
Do you think I care about "support" I had in this or any group?
Obviously not. As with the Chechen/Al Qaeda terrorists, who target and
murder innocent CHILDREN (with your approval), you are heartless and
repulsive. As with the terrorists, you've done a masterful job of
alienating everyone -- even those who initially argued on your behalf.
It seems the more you reveal of yourself, the more you hurt your own
cause. You're an idiot.
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| User: "Michael Johnathan McDonald" |
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| Title: Re: Let us never forget.. |
14 Sep 2004 09:38:32 PM |
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(Steven Douglas) wrote in message news:<a2b35e99.0409140704.bd81179@posting.google.com>...
In article
<886dk016mds1k8i3hiiddj4rt4nk0seq1k@4ax.com, AK
<someoneNasty@hotmails.com> wrote:
Do you think I care about "support" I had in this or any group?
Obviously not. As with the Chechen/Al Qaeda terrorists, who target and
murder innocent CHILDREN (with your approval), you are heartless and
repulsive. As with the terrorists, you've done a masterful job of
alienating everyone -- even those who initially argued on your behalf.
It seems the more you reveal of yourself, the more you hurt your own
cause. You're an idiot.
Not only that the AK Chickenshit who stole my name and email and
posted it all over perverted websites in an effort to discredit me
cannot argue - so he has to commit crimes against me to justify
his/hers self worthlessness.
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| User: "AK" |
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| Title: Re: Let us never forget.. |
15 Sep 2004 12:38:41 AM |
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On 14 Sep 2004 19:38:32 -0700, (Michael Johnathan
McDonald) wrote:
Not only that the AK Chickenshit who stole my name and email and
posted it all over perverted websites in an effort to discredit me
Prove it.
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| User: "Michael Johnathan McDonald" |
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| Title: Re: Let us never forget.. |
15 Sep 2004 12:29:49 PM |
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AK <someoneNasty@hotmails.com> wrote in message news:<oblfk059bliuk3u8kh21vc9n71cjd8c043@4ax.com>...
On 14 Sep 2004 19:38:32 -0700, (Michael Johnathan
McDonald) wrote:
Not only that the AK Chickenshit who stole my name and email and
posted it all over perverted websites in an effort to discredit me
Prove it.
Going around in circles again Mr. Chickenshit?
I already did. Although it is nice to see that you keep running away
from the proof like a little chickenshit that you are ;)
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| User: "AK" |
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14 Sep 2004 04:59:44 PM |
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On 14 Sep 2004 08:04:11 -0700, (Steven Douglas) wrote:
Do you think I care about "support" I had in this or any group?
Obviously not. As with the Chechen/Al Qaeda terrorists, who target and
murder innocent CHILDREN (with your approval),
Just as Russians rape women in Chechnya with your approval, and the US invades
sovereign countries by lying about WMD, and rapes children in prisons (with your
approval).
you are heartless and repulsive.
Just like you
It seems the more you reveal of yourself, the more you hurt your own
cause. You're an idiot.
My "cause" is to ***** slap idiots. Did I hurt my "cause"? Only in your
terrorist dreams.
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| User: "Jean Guernon" |
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15 Sep 2004 08:39:58 AM |
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AK a écrit:
On 14 Sep 2004 08:04:11 -0700, (Steven Douglas) wrote:
Do you think I care about "support" I had in this or any group?
Obviously not. As with the Chechen/Al Qaeda terrorists, who target and
murder innocent CHILDREN (with your approval),
Just as Russians rape women in Chechnya with your approval, and the US invades
sovereign countries by lying about WMD, and rapes children in prisons (with your
approval).
Not true.
J.
you are heartless and repulsive.
Just like you
It seems the more you reveal of yourself, the more you hurt your own
cause. You're an idiot.
My "cause" is to ***** slap idiots. Did I hurt my "cause"? Only in your
terrorist dreams.
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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14 Sep 2004 10:48:30 PM |
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In article <r0qek0hn8ja35jir3ungejgkd7uiv94rjp@4ax.com>, AK
<someoneNasty@hotmails.com> wrote:
On 14 Sep 2004 08:04:11 -0700, (Steven Douglas) wrote:
Do you think I care about "support" I had in this or any group?
Obviously not. As with the Chechen/Al Qaeda terrorists, who target and
murder innocent CHILDREN (with your approval),
Just as Russians rape women in Chechnya with your approval,
Wrong. You have absolutely NO basis on which to make that statement --
yet in making your false claim, you are simultaneously attempting to
justify the *targeting* and *murder* of CHILDREN.
and the US invades sovereign countries by lying about WMD, and rapes
children in prisons (with your approval).
Wrong again. I have always said I want the abuses at Abu Ghraib
prosecuted. Once again, you have absolutely no basis to make the claim
I approve of ANY abuse. Yet you DO approve of the MURDER of CHILDREN
in Russia.
you are heartless and repulsive.
Just like you
No, just you (and since you didn't renounce that point about yourself,
I'll assume you accept it) -- while your attempt to include me in your
miserable state of mind is just one more attempt on your part to
justify your own approval of the MURDER and MAIMING of hundreds of
CHILDREN, you are truly heartless and repulsive.
It seems the more you reveal of yourself, the more you hurt your own
cause. You're an idiot.
My "cause" is to ***** slap idiots. Did I hurt my "cause"?
Without a doubt.
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| User: "AK" |
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15 Sep 2004 12:45:53 AM |
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On 14 Sep 2004 20:48:30 -0700, (Steven Douglas) wrote:
and the US invades sovereign countries by lying about WMD, and rapes
children in prisons (with your approval).
Wrong again. I have always said I want the abuses at Abu Ghraib
prosecuted. Once again, you have absolutely no basis to make the claim
I approve of ANY abuse. Yet you DO approve of the MURDER of CHILDREN
in Russia.
You justified the illegal invasion of a sovereign nation based on a lie (WMD)
that killed thousands of innocent Iraqis and rapes of children in prisons. If
you can justify that, then whine about me?
you are heartless and repulsive.
Just like you
No, just you (and since you didn't renounce that point about yourself,
I'll assume you accept it) -- while your attempt to include me in your
miserable state of mind is just one more attempt on your part to
justify your own approval of the MURDER and MAIMING of hundreds of
CHILDREN, you are truly heartless and repulsive.
You are welcome.
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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15 Sep 2004 07:54:35 AM |
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AK <someoneNasty@hotmails.com> wrote in message news:<3elfk0hgcieujkf0u4dmvq6vtrton4jcca@4ax.com>...
On 14 Sep 2004 20:48:30 -0700, (Steven Douglas) wrote:
and the US invades sovereign countries by lying about WMD, and rapes
children in prisons (with your approval).
Wrong again. I have always said I want the abuses at Abu Ghraib
prosecuted. Once again, you have absolutely no basis to make the claim
I approve of ANY abuse. Yet you DO approve of the MURDER of CHILDREN
in Russia.
You justified the illegal invasion of a sovereign nation
It was not illegal. Saddam Hussein refused to abide by the cease fire
agreement he signed at the end of the first Gulf War. His refusal to
abide by the cease fire agreement (which he willingly signed) gave the
coalition the right to remove him from power.
based on a lie (WMD)
Based on the consensus of all Western intelligence agencies.
that killed thousands of innocent Iraqis and rapes of children in prisons. If
you can justify that, then whine about me?
It is the insurgency (which you support) that is purposely targeting
civilians. Coalition forces do not purposely target civilians, and the
"rapes of children in prisons" (if true) was an isolated incident. I
denounce ANY abuse, and I want whoever did that (if true) put in jail
for the rest of his life.
Meanwhile, you support an insurgency that is trying to kill as many
Iraqi civilians as possible. Just yesterday the insurgents killed
about 60 innocent Iraqis. I denounce that. You support that. How cruel
can one human be? Your support for the murder of children is already
known, but now it is also known that you supported the murders of 60
Iraqi civilians yesterday. You are pathetic.
From Human Rights Watch:
[excerpt] Iraq: Insurgents Must Stop Targeting Civilians
(New York, August 6, 2004) -- The targeting of civilians by armed
insurgents in Iraq is a cruel and unjustifiable breach of the most
basic principles of humanity, Human Rights Watch said today.
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2004/08/05/iraq9195.htm
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| User: "AK" |
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| Title: Re: Let us never forget.. |
15 Sep 2004 06:03:40 PM |
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On 15 Sep 2004 05:54:35 -0700, (Steven Douglas) wrote:
It was not illegal. Saddam Hussein refused to abide by the cease fire
agreement he signed at the end of the first Gulf War.
Given the US openly announced that their policy is to remove Saddam and install
a puppet regime, I don't see why Saddam should have abided by any agreement. If
the Chinese government announces publicly that their policy is to overthrow Bush
regime, do you expect the US government to abide by "agreements" with China
after that?
based on a lie (WMD)
Based on the consensus of all Western intelligence agencies.
The "Western intelligence agencies" cooperate with each other. The false
"intelligence" about WMD was based on lies spread by Chalabi and his so-called
"defectors." The US propagated these liars (paid them millions).
that killed thousands of innocent Iraqis and rapes of children in prisons. If
you can justify that, then whine about me?
It is the insurgency (which you support) that is purposely targeting
civilians.
"Insurgency" is not monolithic. Many different groups are fighting the
Americans. Some of them are targeting the invaders. Others are also targeting
anyone who collaborates with the invaders. Then there are common criminals who
are kidnapping ordinary Iraqis to make money. The US created this mess by
illegally invading a sovereign country. You can't blame the insurgency. Iraqis
have the right to resist the invaders by any means possible.
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: Let us never forget.. |
16 Sep 2004 01:39:53 AM |
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AK <someoneNasty@hotmails.com> wrote in message news:<t4hhk0haoefe5trabsehghkrt27kbgou8n@4ax.com>...
On 15 Sep 2004 05:54:35 -0700, (Steven Douglas) wrote:
It was not illegal. Saddam Hussein refused to abide by the cease fire
agreement he signed at the end of the first Gulf War.
Given the US openly announced that their policy is to remove Saddam and install
a puppet regime, I don't see why Saddam should have abided by any agreement.
You've got that backwards. It was because Saddam wasn't abiding by the
agreement that President Clinton and the US Congress initiated the
regime change policy, not the other way around.
If the Chinese government announces publicly that their policy is to
overthrow Bush regime, do you expect the US government to abide
by "agreements" with China after that?
That is a ridiculous comparison, and has no basis in reality. Saddam
willingly signed a cease fire agreement at the end of the Gulf War in
1991. The cease fire agreement was contingent on Saddam abiding by its
terms or face the possibility of renewed hostilities. The US and China
have no such agreement.
based on a lie (WMD)
Based on the consensus of all Western intelligence agencies.
The "Western intelligence agencies" cooperate with each other. The false
"intelligence" about WMD was based on lies spread by Chalabi and his so-called
"defectors." The US propagated these liars (paid them millions).
I figured you for a conspiracy kook. You're a perfect candidate for
the modern Democratic Party. That statement above could have qualified
you for a seat of honor at the Democratic National Convention a few
weeks ago. You could have sat in the Presidential Box between Michael
Moore and President Carter.
that killed thousands of innocent Iraqis and rapes of children in prisons. If
you can justify that, then whine about me?
It is the insurgency (which you support) that is purposely targeting
civilians.
"Insurgency" is not monolithic. Many different groups are fighting the
Americans. Some of them are targeting the invaders. Others are also targeting
anyone who collaborates with the invaders.
Of course you approve of the slaughter of innocent Iraqi civilians by
a minority of terrorists. They don't care who collaborates. They
killed 60 people the other day. Do you think they really cared WHO
they killed with their car bombs?
Then there are common criminals who are kidnapping ordinary Iraqis to
make money. The US created this mess by illegally invading a sovereign
country. You can't blame the insurgency. Iraqis have the right to
resist the invaders by any means possible.
You don't care what the majority of Iraqis want. A small minority of
terrorists do NOT have the right to kill innocent Iraqi civilians,
since the majority of Iraqis want to live in peace. If the small
minority of terrorists have their way, they'd love to once again
enslave the Iraqi people under a totalitarian regime. And you support
that. It is the terrorists who are targeting civilians. If they would
immediately stop their illegal insurgency, the killing of civilians
would also stop -- immediately.
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| User: "AK" |
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16 Sep 2004 02:28:04 AM |
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On 15 Sep 2004 23:39:53 -0700, (Steven Douglas) wrote:
Given the US openly announced that their policy is to remove Saddam and install
a puppet regime, I don't see why Saddam should have abided by any agreement.
You've got that backwards. It was because Saddam wasn't abiding by the
agreement that President Clinton and the US Congress initiated the
regime change policy, not the other way around.
No, this was US policy even before Clinton.
May 20, 1991: James Baker, Secretary of State: "We are not interested in seeing
a relaxation of sanctions as long as Saddam Hussein is in power."
If the Chinese government announces publicly that their policy is to
overthrow Bush regime, do you expect the US government to abide
by "agreements" with China after that?
That is a ridiculous comparison, and has no basis in reality. Saddam
willingly signed a cease fire agreement at the end of the Gulf War in
1991. The cease fire agreement was contingent on Saddam abiding by its
terms or face the possibility of renewed hostilities. The US and China
have no such agreement.
And the US declared that their policy is to keep the sanctions till Saddam is in
power. My argument still stands.
By the way, given Iraq didn't have any WMD, what terms of cease fire Saddam was
violating in 2003 when the US invaded Iraq?
based on a lie (WMD)
Based on the consensus of all Western intelligence agencies.
The "Western intelligence agencies" cooperate with each other. The false
"intelligence" about WMD was based on lies spread by Chalabi and his so-called
"defectors." The US propagated these liars (paid them millions).
I figured you for a conspiracy kook. You're a perfect candidate for
the modern Democratic Party.
Post an argument that refutes the logic in what I said above. Empty babblings
and insults do not impress or bother me.
that killed thousands of innocent Iraqis and rapes of children in prisons. If
you can justify that, then whine about me?
It is the insurgency (which you support) that is purposely targeting
civilians.
"Insurgency" is not monolithic. Many different groups are fighting the
Americans. Some of them are targeting the invaders. Others are also targeting
anyone who collaborates with the invaders.
Of course you approve of the slaughter of innocent Iraqi civilians by
a minority of terrorists. They don't care who collaborates. They
killed 60 people the other day. Do you think they really cared WHO
they killed with their car bombs?
These "Iraqis" were collaborating with the illegal foreign invaders. If China
invades the US and installs a puppet government, would there be any Americans
who would kill people collaborating with the invaders?
Then there are common criminals who are kidnapping ordinary Iraqis to
make money. The US created this mess by illegally invading a sovereign
country. You can't blame the insurgency. Iraqis have the right to
resist the invaders by any means possible.
You don't care what the majority of Iraqis want.
Well, majority of Iraqis consider you illegal invaders and want you out of their
country.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5217874/site/newsweek/
If you don't care about that (and oil-theft is more important for you), why
whine about me?
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