SATURN COMES OUT OF BONDAGE,
FRENCH TERRITORY INUNDATED
The recent destruction of New Orleans by the powerful hurricane named
Katrina is a national tragedy, which also struck me personally. Though
I'd only been to the city once as a child, it was where my parents
met, and many family members lived there, some just returned from a
visit; those who survive are sure their homes are lost, others may not
have made it. Many of those who remained have been said to have
"chosen" to do so, while in fact they were trapped since public
transportation was unavailable a couple days before the storm struck,
and poverty was widespread. The response seems hampered by lack of
local National Guards and rescue equipment. Anarchy has marked the
aftermath, and the flood waters are certain to be toxic (due in part to
oil refineries in the area). Relating the calamity to some verse seems
particularly futile if it leads nowhere, but demonstrating this
historic catastrophe is part of the prophecies seems obligatory after
my other post-mortems.
Drawing up a chart using 2am Monday CDT 29 August 2005 showed the Moon
with Vesta at the Ascendant, but this relied on 2am precisely, which
was somewhat arbitrary: the levee failure occurred after the storm
passed the city. Neptune in retrograde is still in the midst of
Aquarius, a condition related to II.78 for the Sumatran Tsunami, but
this event does not fit that quatrain (Neptune will remain in Aquarius
for a few more years). Whether VI.90's stinking disgrace associated
with Neptune has been fulfilled is doubtful.
Neither could this tragedy comprise the unhappy hour or bad time of
IV.72, which bears the encoded chronology of 19 February. And it is
unlikely to have anything to do with the Adriatic wreckage of II.86 I
projected after the Egyptian bombings. The swamp reference of IX.29
may not fit for the bayou wetlands, calling for "new fire" which is
not a clever enough phrase for the global warming many suspect gave
Katrina more power via 90-degree water in the Gulf of Mexico.
Then I considered something more simple, like III.51 line 3 -
Ceux d'Orleans voudront leur chef remettre
Those of Orleans will want to replace their chief
Dropping the "New" identification, this could name the city, and
encapsulate the argument many have been making that the project to
strengthen the levees was underfunded by the Bush administration,
citing the Iraq war and tax cuts. It is very difficult to relate the
rest of this verse to the incident however: except that 29 August is
the feastday of St. Sabina of Troyes, a town mentioned in the
following, final line.
Shaped like a crescent, New Orleans was nicknamed the Crescent City,
though mentions of a crescent in Nostradamian verse are usually related
to a lunar phase or Islamic symbolism. X.95's relowering of the
crescent thus appeared a possibility, with its final line (about those
of Friday-the Muslim Sabbath--having their wings clipped) maybe even
relating to the subsequent stampede of Shi'ite pilgrims in Iraq off a
bridge which killed nearly a thousand (apparently instigated by
security forces shouting about bombs and terrorists to move the crowd
along, akin to yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater). This
interpretation requires Katrina to be the powerful "King"
subjugating the South (Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi), which seems
belied by the feminine nomenclature.
The major saintly commemoration of 29 August is for the beheading of
St. John the Baptist; along with Troyes, a connection can be made with
Autun, a town which also figures in the quatrains, but not in an
appropriate context.
Finally, V.87 came to mind, with its prediction of flooding -
L'an que Saturne hors de servage
Au franc terroir sera d'eau inond=E9;
De sang Troyen sera son marriage,
Et sera s=FBr d'Espagnols circund=E9.
The year that Saturn is out of bondage
French territory will be by water inundated;
Of Troyen blood will be his marriage,
And by Westerners will be safely barricaded.
I kept "Troyen" as is, rather than convert it to Trojan, to show
similarity with Troyes.
New Orleans was part of the Louisiana purchase of territory belonging
to France, and remained under Napoleonic code.
It should be noted that Saturn entered Leo 16 July 2005, leaving its
"bondage" or servitude under Cancer (which the ringed planet had
entered in June 2003). This Saturn transition was only about six weeks
before the flooding of New Orleans. Line 3 notes the marriage of the
flooding and the Saturn transition will be marked by something
"Troyen," i.e., the feastday of St. Sabina of Troyes. Sabina was
the sister of St. Sabinian: she sought her missing brother in Troyes,
France, but he was already dead and being venerated - she died soon
after, c. 275.
Without hinting towards another event on the horizon, the verse
concludes by declaring the people of the Western land where this occurs
will simply surround the area for safety, suggesting New Orleans will
remain lost rather than being rebuilt, as it was below sea level
between three large bodies of water, relying on pumps for drainage.
Eagal
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| User: "Eagal" |
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03 Sep 2005 03:43:50 AM |
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I realize that Hogue is renowned as a Nostradamus expert, but this 1998
prediction, however accurate, apparently was not derived from any
quatrain. There was a simulation shortly before Katrina hit that
showed precisely the devastation New Orleans is undergoing. Hurricanes
get stronger in warmer water, global warming obviously means bigger
hurricanes. The timing appears to have been an assumption. I only
have Leoni's book, but I've posted before about problems I've had with
Hogue's quatrain interpretations after listening to his radio
interviews. Like I said, I don't follow any experts, I start from
scratch with a firm foundation. So what is your point, that Hogue made
a correct prediction thereby swindling his readers? Or that this
article settles the entire issue of what Nostradamus has to say about
the event, since it clearly doesn't?
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| User: "" |
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03 Sep 2005 07:02:52 AM |
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On 3 Sep 2005 01:43:50 -0700, "Eagal" <cjspub@cnmnetwork.com> wrote:
I realize that Hogue is renowned as a Nostradamus expert, but this 1998
prediction, however accurate, apparently was not derived from any
quatrain. There was a simulation shortly before Katrina hit that
showed precisely the devastation New Orleans is undergoing. Hurricanes
get stronger in warmer water, global warming obviously means bigger
hurricanes. The timing appears to have been an assumption. I only
have Leoni's book, but I've posted before about problems I've had with
Hogue's quatrain interpretations after listening to his radio
interviews. Like I said, I don't follow any experts, I start from
scratch with a firm foundation. So what is your point, that Hogue made
a correct prediction thereby swindling his readers? Or that this
article settles the entire issue of what Nostradamus has to say about
the event, since it clearly doesn't?
My apologies. I guess we got off on the wrong foot. Perhaps we can
discuss the issues in the future.
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| User: "Eagal" |
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| Title: Re: Louisiana's Other Orleans; Katrina |
03 Sep 2005 05:34:15 AM |
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Thanks, I appreciate that.
I am happy to discuss these writings with anyone who remains cordial
and rational.
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| User: "" |
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03 Sep 2005 04:17:08 AM |
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On 2 Sep 2005 18:19:33 -0700, "Eagal" <cjspub@cnmnetwork.com> wrote:
DaarkSyde@Bushsucks.ca wrote:
Hahahah, I somehow knew someone would twist a quacktrain around to
suit the N.O. disaster
Yes, I read your "challenge," but I only respond to messages on threads
I start. Show me how I "twisted" something around. It is common
knowledge that what looks like Spain in the verses actually means a
western land.
Doing post-mortems and postulations is what I've always done on this
ng.
Some of my results have exceeded coincidence: you might try searching
for my article "Major Occurrences Reviewed Esoterically."
BTW, Claude uses anagrams & Jean considers most of the fulfillments in
the past.
I've read your posts, and, like most of the offerings on this ng, I
think they are better suited to the political ngs, of which there are
many. Why are you even posting on the Nostradamian ng if your only
interest is in debunking things you apparently don't comprehend?
Of course a major event like this *should* be included in the
prophecies, and I have shown several ways in which it could be; all you
have done is express disbelief without erudition. And Dr Turi DID
publicly announce there would be a major evacuation in the US circa 29
August weeks before anyone was talking about Katrina and New Orleans.
Does it disturb you that some people can know about future events of
which you are ignorant? I see it as an opportunity to learn more, not
deride the concept.
What's the matter.? You must be in the process of writing a book. I
have read a lot on prophecy, in fact it intrigues me to no end. I just
think that Nostracrapas was just another book peddlar only out to make
a buck in his time.People have manipulated his quacktrains for years
here, and i have been coming back time and again to see if anything
has changed, it hasn't. So if you can't beatem, join em. we now live
in the present so lets give em what they want.
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| User: "Eagal" |
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03 Sep 2005 03:34:12 AM |
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You haven't made any case against any point I made.
And you should see from V.87 there was no indication this year of
Saturn transition would be the one intended, and that warning people
about each feastday of a saint of Troyes after each Saturn transition
would have been pointless, even if one determined that the French
territory of the western land involved New Orleans. But it does set up
part of an aforementioned scenario by cross referencing correctly with
some of the quatrains I soft-pedalled in the initial post; I usually
mention things once, then remind people after it happens.
My technique has never been used by anyone else (converting towns to
saintly feastdays for calendric dates), and it was derived from
reverse-hypothesizing detailed post-mortems, and has been confirmed on
numerous occasions.
My theories are offered here for free, as a public service, usually as
soon as I conceive of them.
If this endeavour annoys your cynical, skeptical mind so much, just
don't read anything I write.
If you want me to promise I'll never publish anything about these
theories, I would respond that many people have been quite successful
selling books on the topic without my track record. Even people who
are always wrong have a right to survive in a capitalist society, but
apparently you draw the line at anybody who knows what they're talking
about profiting from their work.
As far as your disdain for Nostradamus, I would ask again why you post
here, since you are acting out of contempt.
You cannot explain how I've used these writings to make postulations
that have been correct, you have zero credibility with me, and probably
cannot carry out a decent conversation on this topic.
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| User: "" |
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03 Sep 2005 07:01:15 AM |
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On 3 Sep 2005 01:34:12 -0700, "Eagal" <cjspub@cnmnetwork.com> wrote:
If this endeavour annoys your cynical, skeptical mind so much, just
don't read anything I write.
Had no intention until you mentioned it, definetly won't now.
If you want me to promise I'll never publish anything about these
theories, I would respond that many people have been quite successful
selling books on the topic without my track record. Even people who
are always wrong have a right to survive in a capitalist society, but
apparently you draw the line at anybody who knows what they're talking
about profiting from their work.
You have a point. I just dont like people publishing trash and taking
advantage of the feeble minded and easily led.We all have a right to
make a living, but to dupe people into believing something for a
profit is sick.We are living in very troubled times and people are
looking for something to believe in.
As far as your disdain for Nostradamus, I would ask again why you post
here, since you are acting out of contempt.
You cannot explain how I've used these writings to make postulations
that have been correct, you have zero credibility with me, and probably
cannot carry out a decent conversation on this topic.
I used to think Nostradamus was interesting, and to tell you the truth
that was my initial reason for coming to this group. But it has gone
downhill over the years, so if you can't beatem, join em. This group
is now current events with the odd trickle of Nosty, when and if it
reverts back to just Nosty, I will gladly start discussing the subject
on topic. But until I see a dramatic turnaround., What you see is what
you get.
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| User: "Jane" |
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| Title: Re: Louisiana's Other Orleans; Katrina |
03 Sep 2005 06:14:30 AM |
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<DaarkSyde@wherever.ca> wrote in message
news:fj3jh19guth8vbj806snd1g7vt2jr2ibf0@4ax.com...
On 3 Sep 2005 01:34:12 -0700, "Eagal" <cjspub@cnmnetwork.com> wrote:
If this endeavour annoys your cynical, skeptical mind so much, just
don't read anything I write.
Had no intention until you mentioned it, definetly won't now.
If you want me to promise I'll never publish anything about these
theories, I would respond that many people have been quite successful
selling books on the topic without my track record. Even people who
are always wrong have a right to survive in a capitalist society, but
apparently you draw the line at anybody who knows what they're talking
about profiting from their work.
You have a point. I just dont like people publishing trash and taking
advantage of the feeble minded and easily led.
You should talk, Mr chemtrails...illuminati...9-11 was staged, etc.
There have been some interesting articles among the dreck the past few days,
so I'll give credit where due.
Jane
We all have a right to
make a living, but to dupe people into believing something for a
profit is sick.We are living in very troubled times and people are
looking for something to believe in.
As far as your disdain for Nostradamus, I would ask again why you post
here, since you are acting out of contempt.
You cannot explain how I've used these writings to make postulations
that have been correct, you have zero credibility with me, and probably
cannot carry out a decent conversation on this topic.
I used to think Nostradamus was interesting, and to tell you the truth
that was my initial reason for coming to this group. But it has gone
downhill over the years, so if you can't beatem, join em. This group
is now current events with the odd trickle of Nosty, when and if it
reverts back to just Nosty, I will gladly start discussing the subject
on topic. But until I see a dramatic turnaround., What you see is what
you get.
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| User: "" |
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03 Sep 2005 09:54:38 AM |
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On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 07:14:30 -0400, "Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com>
wrote:
<DaarkSyde@wherever.ca> wrote in message
news:fj3jh19guth8vbj806snd1g7vt2jr2ibf0@4ax.com...
On 3 Sep 2005 01:34:12 -0700, "Eagal" <cjspub@cnmnetwork.com> wrote:
You should talk, Mr chemtrails...illuminati...9-11 was staged, etc.
Not to worry there janeypo, since you brought it up, perhaps another
round of this is just what you need
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| User: "The CO" |
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03 Sep 2005 09:09:41 PM |
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wrote:
Not to worry there janeypo, since you brought it up, perhaps another
round of this is just what you need
Don't try and make feeble attemtps to make others responsible to flood
newsgroups with your lying kookfroth, dimwit.
Everything you post is *****, in the hopes of deceiving gullible
people. No one that matters believes any part of your kookfroth and no
one that matters ever will.
The only difficulty here is deciding which particular kookfetish of the
several that your feeble intellect is demented enough to believe in the
kookiest. So far the fantasy that a condensation trail is some kooky
global kookspiracy seems to be a starter.
What say we post some followups to alt.usenet.kooks with a nomination
for the Victor Von Frankenstein Wierd Science Award for that particular
slab of nonsensical keyboard dysentery for a start.
Start working on your acceptance speech kookboi.
Now are you one of Zak the kooks sockpuppets by any chance or are you
just his butt buddy?
--
The CO
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| User: "" |
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04 Sep 2005 06:31:11 AM |
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On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 11:39:41 +0930, The CO <the_xo@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:
DaarkSyde@wherever.ca wrote:
Start working on your acceptance speech kookboi.
Now are you one of Zak the kooks sockpuppets by any chance or are you
just his butt buddy?
One and the same there slimeball, you will be eating your words in
October.
Zak
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| User: "Dani" |
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05 Sep 2005 11:44:30 PM |
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On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 11:39:41 +0930, The CO <the_xo@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:lab of nonsensical keyboard dysentery for a start.
Now are you one of Zak the kooks sockpuppets by any chance or are you
just his butt buddy?
It's the same person - DaarkSyde and Zak.
He brings back DaarkSyde when we upset him.. LOL!
Dani
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| User: "" |
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04 Sep 2005 06:32:43 AM |
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On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 00:44:30 -0400, Dani <dani7200@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 11:39:41 +0930, The CO <the_xo@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:lab of nonsensical keyboard dysentery for a start.
Now are you one of Zak the kooks sockpuppets by any chance or are you
just his butt buddy?
It's the same person - DaarkSyde and Zak.
He brings back DaarkSyde when we upset him.. LOL!
Dani
Now,now dimmi, now is not the time to start another flame war. You
Americans have enough trouble on your hands...and about to get REAL
bad.
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| User: "Dani" |
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06 Sep 2005 12:55:13 AM |
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On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 04:32:43 -0700, wrote:
On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 00:44:30 -0400, Dani <dani7200@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 11:39:41 +0930, The CO <the_xo@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:lab of nonsensical keyboard dysentery for a start.
Now are you one of Zak the kooks sockpuppets by any chance or are you
just his butt buddy?
It's the same person - DaarkSyde and Zak.
He brings back DaarkSyde when we upset him.. LOL!
Now,now dimmi, now is not the time to start another flame war.
Now, Shyte - I'm not starting a "flame war" ..you yourself have
admitted that you flood this group with dozens upon dozens
(upon dozens!) of posts because someone upset you and that's
your recourse. lol.
Didn't you tell Krib once that you were going to post the entire Koran
here if he didn't get off your case? LOL!
You
Americans have enough trouble on your hands...
and about to get REAL bad.
And it sounds like you *really* want that!
Dani
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| User: "" |
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06 Sep 2005 10:11:33 AM |
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On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 01:55:13 -0400, Dani <dani7200@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 04:32:43 -0700, wrote:
On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 00:44:30 -0400, Dani <dani7200@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 11:39:41 +0930, The CO <the_xo@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:lab of nonsensical keyboard dysentery for a start.
Now are you one of Zak the kooks sockpuppets by any chance or are you
just his butt buddy?
It's the same person - DaarkSyde and Zak.
He brings back DaarkSyde when we upset him.. LOL!
Now,now dimmi, now is not the time to start another flame war.
Now, Shyte - I'm not starting a "flame war" ..you yourself have
admitted that you flood this group with dozens upon dozens
(upon dozens!) of posts because someone upset you and that's
your recourse. lol.
Didn't you tell Krib once that you were going to post the entire Koran
here if he didn't get off your case? LOL!
You
Americans have enough trouble on your hands...
and about to get REAL bad.
And it sounds like you *really* want that!
Dani
All I want is the government out. This bunch of assholes are bringing
on horrors like you can't imagine, well before their staging of 9/11
among other things. Krib is an *****, like a lot of aothers here. I
don't want to start any flame wars, so from now on as soon as the name
calling starts I will either ignore or killfile. Which list would you
like to be on?
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| User: "Dani" |
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08 Sep 2005 08:11:14 PM |
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On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 08:11:33 -0700, wrote:
On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 01:55:13 -0400, Dani <dani7200@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 04:32:43 -0700, wrote:
On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 00:44:30 -0400, Dani <dani7200@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 11:39:41 +0930, The CO <the_xo@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:lab of nonsensical keyboard dysentery for a start.
Now are you one of Zak the kooks sockpuppets by any chance or are you
just his butt buddy?
It's the same person - DaarkSyde and Zak.
He brings back DaarkSyde when we upset him.. LOL!
Now,now dimmi, now is not the time to start another flame war.
Now, Shyte - I'm not starting a "flame war" ..you yourself have
admitted that you flood this group with dozens upon dozens
(upon dozens!) of posts because someone upset you and that's
your recourse. lol.
Didn't you tell Krib once that you were going to post the entire Koran
here if he didn't get off your case? LOL!
You
Americans have enough trouble on your hands...
and about to get REAL bad.
And it sounds like you *really* want that!
All I want is the government out. This bunch of assholes are bringing
on horrors like you can't imagine, well before their staging of 9/11
among other things.
And you hope to actually achieve their removal by posting to apn?
Krib is an *****,
Why? Because he shows you up for the irrational fool that you are?
like a lot of aothers here. I
don't want to start any flame wars, so from now on as soon as the name
calling starts I will either ignore or killfile. Which list would you
like to be on?
You're pretending that I'm kill-filed because you know that
I'll keep asking you who the three people on this group are
that are being paid (lol) as "disinformation agents" to go
against you.
Dani
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| User: "Eagal" |
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03 Sep 2005 05:48:55 AM |
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Looking for something to believe in is only bad if people find the
wrong things, which seems the case too often.
I offer theories on prophetic writings, and usually the only responses
I receive are much like your initial reaction, even when I bring up a
conjecture proven correct by subsequent events. After something
horrible happens the last thing people want to hear is that it was
predicted long ago and anticipated recently.
I would caution you that this particular collection of prophecies is a
complex interwoven tapestry of codes and riddles that very few people
would approach properly: you should not expect a majority of posters to
be providing insightful material.
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| User: "" |
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03 Sep 2005 09:52:54 AM |
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On 3 Sep 2005 03:48:55 -0700, "Eagal" <cjspub@cnmnetwork.com> wrote:
Looking for something to believe in is only bad if people find the
wrong things, which seems the case too often.
I offer theories on prophetic writings, and usually the only responses
I receive are much like your initial reaction, even when I bring up a
conjecture proven correct by subsequent events. After something
horrible happens the last thing people want to hear is that it was
predicted long ago and anticipated recently.
I would caution you that this particular collection of prophecies is a
complex interwoven tapestry of codes and riddles that very few people
would approach properly: you should not expect a majority of posters to
be providing insightful material.
In Here? Not anymore. But I would be willing to discuss in the future,
got to set a few people straight here first.
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| User: "Eagal" |
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02 Sep 2005 08:38:48 PM |
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Here's a link to that article I mentioned, in case you don't have time
to do a search with all your postings:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.prophecies.nostradamus/msg/c821f67270dd60ea?hl=en&
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| User: "" |
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03 Sep 2005 04:21:15 AM |
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On 2 Sep 2005 18:38:48 -0700, "Eagal" <cjspub@cnmnetwork.com> wrote:
Here's a link to that article I mentioned, in case you don't have time
to do a search with all your postings:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.prophecies.nostradamus/msg/c821f67270dd60ea?hl=en&
Thanks, I will read it when I have time.
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