Jean Guernon

wrote:

The fact is that anti-christs will
not be Christians they will go after >Christians.

Gee, I wonder who they might be?

Tony

Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message news:<zsCnd.4802875$ic1.455578@news.easynews.com>...

Rick a écrit:

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So a Christian cleric thinks that the revelation chapters where Iraq
(Babylon) is effectively embargoed, and then free, has to do with
Operation Freedom.

Still doesn't have anything to do with your loony conspiracy theories of
a New World Order. No more than it has to do with oil.

It has to do with the UN resolutions. And the name itself is clear
enough, it is to free the Iraqi people from an aggressor who subjugated
them and their neighbors. How it correlates with the bible remains to be
seen. It will take a long time before history can assess this claim.

J.

Rick a écrit:

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Rick a écrit:

Never anonymous Bud <newskat@katxyzkave.net> wrote in message news:<i1kkp0pbjrhmcs2h755dgcjslvlkd28h9b@4ax.com>...

Trying to steal the thunder from Arnold,

It is not about you or me. It is about the use of prophecy for
empowerment by the NWO

Right, sure, OK, uh-huh, of course, absolutely, no doubt.

"Right, sure, OK, uh-huh, of course, absolutely, no doubt."

Well, thanks for agreeing with me. See ya.

He is agreeing with you like someone would agree with a schizophrenic
paranoid loser just so that he goes away. LOL

Sure Nazi have used Nostradamus prophecies, but people don't get fooled
anymore now that there are legion of wannabe interpreters and very
little real exegetes. Politics is not using prophecies as one can see
looking at every single ad, even the worst ones by the 527 groups, of
the past campaign. Not a single one of them related to prophecies. No
one would buy that stuff. Sure, Christian do believe, according to their
own denomination, their own sets of interpretation from the bible
prophecies, but you don't see that used by the politicians. It would
make them look a little too fanatic and they would be obsolete, just
like you look yourself about your NWO and your loony conspiracy theories.

"Right, sure, OK, uh-huh, of course, absolutely, no doubt." really means
"Bye bye, no use arguing with a quack, don't hurt me". LOL

Get a clue.

J.

Jean -

So, you admit to possible empowerment of the New World Order through
the use of prophecy : "Christian do believe, according to their own
denomination, their own sets of interpretation from the bible
prophecies". Thus, President Bush is an Evangelical Christian who
"may believe, according to his own denomination, his own sets of
interpretation from the bible prophecies".

Here is clue, Jean, albeit it anecdotal.

The father of 'Christian soldier' Sgt Ben Isengard who died in Iraq
claims the Iraqi war is "predestined "; a "spiritual war":

To my email Group:

IMO, it is mostly that prophecy will be directed by
the architects of a New World Order for the purposes
of empowerment, self-service and control. Prophecy is
not self-fulfilling as Ben Isenberg's father would
have us believe: "This war is not about Iraqis and
Americans, oil. This was a spiritual war. And people
who don't understand that, they need to just dig into
their Bible and read about it. It's predicted. It's
predestined."

National Public Radio
National Public Radio
Morning Edition
September 27, 2004
Profile: Sergeant Ben Isenberg who was killed in Iraq
Edition: 11:00 AM-12:00 Noon
Estimated printed pages: 3

Article Text:

RENEE MONTAGNE, host:

A memorial service has been held in Oregon for
27-year-old Sergeant Ben Isenberg. He died in Iraq on
September 13th after the Humvee he was driving hit a
home-made bomb that was buried in the road. Ben
Isenberg lived in Sheridan, a small town tucked in
between the vineyards of the Willamette Valley. After
graduating from high school, he joined the Oregon
National Guard in 1995 then attended the Western
Oregon University. Kristian Foden-Vencil of Oregon
Public Broadcasting visited Sergeant Isenberg's family
and has this remembrance.

KRISTIAN FODEN-VENCIL reporting:

The Adamson Funeral Home is Sheridan is a converted
one-level house on the road that runs through town.
Inside, a slide presentation shows pictures of
Isenberg as a baby at his birthday parties and
squeezed into a soccer uniform. Laid out on tables
under dim lighting is the paraphernalia of his life: a
large, black cowboy hat, a bag of rocks! he excavated
during his geology studies and a green jacket with a
padded shoulder for his marksmen competitions.

Isenberg's mother, Deanne, says the family has a long
military history and a tradition of patriotism and
service to the community.

DEANNE (Ben Isenberg's Mother): He loved playing
soldier and being an Army man. That was just part of
his growing up.

FODEN-VENCIL: After graduating from university,
Isenberg worked for the Oregon Department of Forestry
fighting fires in the summer and maintaining trails in
the winter. He met his wife Rachel over the Internet
on a Christian chat page. He was looking for someone
to hike the Pacific Crest Trail. She was looking for a
pen pal.

RACHEL (Ben Isenberg's Widow): He didn't know I was a
girl at first. But we started writing back and forth,
got to know each other through letters and didn't
exchange pictures until several months later. I felt
that I got to know him very well, and I didn't judge!
him by how he looked, which when I got his picture, I
kind of laughed because his picture was kind of fuzzy,
but his dog sure looked good.

FODEN-VENCIL: Ben was a devout Christian, as is the
whole family. Mom Deanne and dad Robert says it has
helped them deal with Ben's death.

DEANNE: I never would have worried about Ben. I knew
that God was taking care of him, and God's plan wasn't
my plan. I expected God to bring him home, but evil is
everywhere. Accidents happen. I know they're in God's
hand, so I have a peace.

ROBERT (Ben Isenberg's Father): This war is not about
Iraqis and Americans, oil. This was a spiritual war.
And people who don't understand that, they need to
just dig into their Bible and read about it. It's
predicted. It's predestined.

FODEN-VENCIL: Isenberg's father says the nay-saying
about the war and its costs bothered his son.

ROBERT: Because Benjamin understood that this was a
spiritual war and he understands that our current
serving president is a very devout Christian also, B!
en understood the calling was to go because the
president had the knowledge and understood what was
going on. And it's far deeper than we, as a people,
will ever really know. We don't get the information
that the president gets.

FODEN-VENCIL: Isenberg had planned to go back to
university to get his teaching credentials and teach
high school science. He leaves behind his parents, a
wife, two sons, age four and two, a sister and two
brothers.

For NPR News, I'm Kristian Foden-Vencil in Portland.

MONTAGNE: The time is 21 minutes before the hour.

Copyright ©2004 National Public Radio®

Control, power, wealth and secrecy comprise the modus operandi of the
New World Order. There is nothing looney about this geopolitical
scenario. The purpose of the New World Order agenda is to serve
itself by any means in these historical times in which globalization
has replaced the Cold War. We are also passing through the Millennium.
The significance of this passage, IMO, is the foment of agendas ie
more people feel that it is their time to act. So, IMO, the likelihood
increases of someone reading prophecy or prophecy interpretations and
then using these interpretations to manifest agenda for their own
empowerment such as propaganda (Al Qaeda Cult and the Battle of Badr)
or assassination (eg of Mahmoud Abbas as the Mabus). I try to link the
use of prophecy with geopolitical trends ie hypothetical scenarios
such as the putative Christian march toward a Spiritual War (the
Evangelicals and their predestined Revelation's War of Heaven and
Earth). The bottom line is that I think prophecy manifest is forced by
human beings ie it is not self-fulfilling. One way to force the
Spiritual War would to make the Anti-Christ a CIA operation just as it
is plausible that the Bush Administration used Osama bin Laden and his
pre-election message to promote the fear factor and win the election.
The anti-New World Order agenda is, IMO, Carter Center-style and UN
peacebuilding in which the People are served ie the Carter Center
uses (and the UN follows) nonpartisanship and mediation: they help
people to help themselves toward their own peace and prosperity;
health and happiness.

Bah, the world always has a renewed order, doesn't make it any kind of
conspiratorial "New World Order" as if it could be ruled with some kind
of Western dictatorship, look at how much of Europe reacted to the US
implementing the UN resolutions.

As for prophecies, while it is true that the US has the moral high
ground as per 4,50, it didn't help any. Prophecies of the bible may be
misinterpreted because of their vagueness, and have been for centuries.
But the Seer's prophecies cannot be (unless of course, like the Germans
did last WW, and like Latremouille does all the time, they are rewritten
with other words. But there can't be any question that the AC will be in
the future, the very first AC precursors signs being unmistakable and
not having occurred yet, so demonizing the CIA or whatever else scheme
losers have in mind cannot be done. The fact is that anti-christs will
not be Christians they will go after Christians. Well, the last one is
not that obvious, but it remains to be seen how the world will be
geographically designed by then, in several centuries.

J.

Jean -

"The world always has a renewed order"

Thanks for agreeing with me (of the "schizophrenic" and "looney")

"But there can't be any question that the AC will be in the future"

Thanks for agreeing with me (of the "schizophrenic" and "looney")

Thanks dropping the descriptors and thanks for the discussion.

Like you say:

"it remains to be seen..."