Greetings fellow Doomed ones
OK question 1
how seriously should I try and read old Nosty?
I mean
do the "centuries" relate to the centuries in TIME since MN or is that
some mad word game
2
can i find the great fire of london in the Cs and Qs
and will that give me a start to "time" the follow Prophesies
sorry for me wanting to seek some kind of logic here
but if I am going to be skeptical enought to question Claudes
interpretation than I need to apply the same eye to MN himself
he was certainly very diplomatic when it came to kissing Henrys royal
posterior
is there a logical FAQ page somewhere or am i being too optimistic ?
Can i presume on the human kindness of those resolved to their fate
or should I just carry on building my 4x4 submarine
ps - does he say if batteries / electrics will still work or should i
go full on mechanical
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| User: "" |
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19 Sep 2007 05:01:08 PM |
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On Sep 20, 7:22 am, wrote:
Greetings fellow Doomed ones,
And to you!
OK question 1
how seriously should I try and read old Nosty?
Following the poor scholarship branch not seriously at all, but give
them one thing even they get elements right.
I mean
do the "centuries" relate to the centuries in TIME since MN or is that
some mad word game
Well there is the norm for those folk, who at that time put their
works together in a similar manner, and went for balanced texts, now
on prophecy Nost adds a little word play because old Nost is covering
centuries but probably about 5 given there are 1000 or so rhymes 2 per
year gives 500, though they do not work that way they fall into
categories like Battle and outcome War and outcome person and
outcome.
2
can i find the great fire of london in the Cs and Qs
and will that give me a start to "time" the follow Prophesies
sorry for me wanting to seek some kind of logic here
Don't apologise it's a wonder thou hast not been swamped with mensa
boys.
but if I am going to be skeptical enought to question Claudes
interpretation than I need to apply the same eye to MN himself
So were you labelled a cretin for daring to?
he was certainly very diplomatic when it came to kissing Henrys royal
posterior
Cheeky that paragraph giving Henry a bum licking but consider Nost by
giving that letter to Henry protects the document as a state document.
is there a logical FAQ page somewhere or am i being too optimistic ?
PLM used to give one but again + logic not all is Gospel.
Can i presume on the human kindness of those resolved to their fate
or should I just carry on building my 4x4 submarine
ps - does he say if batteries / electrics will still work or should i
go full on mechanical
Pedal power, the Doom thou expecteth is not the Doom that thou
awaiteth.
LB
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| User: "Phil Gristle" |
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| Title: Re: newby |
19 Sep 2007 05:53:18 PM |
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On 20 Sep, 10:01, "leigh8...@optusnet.com.au"
<leigh8...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
On Sep 20, 7:22 am, wrote:
Greetings fellow Doomed ones,
And to you!
Cheers - I think...
Following the poor scholarship branch not seriously at all, but give
them one thing even they get elements right.
Elements
events ?
players?
planets?
do the "centuries" relate to the centuries in TIME since MN or is that
some mad word game
Well there is the norm for those folk, who at that time put their
works together in a similar manner, and went for balanced texts,
"balanced texts" ?
now
on prophecy Nost adds a little word play because old Nost is covering
centuries but probably about 5 given there are 1000 or so rhymes 2 per
year gives 500,
but not in order -
so if one Quantrain refered to london burning how would we know if it
were the great fire or a nuke in WW3 ?
do we cross reference with astro planetary positions in an ephemeris ?
though they do not work that way they fall into
categories like Battle and outcome War and outcome person and
outcome.
so no way of really telling ww1 from ww2 from ww3 ?
europe battle fire
turks in ww1 = muslims in ww3 ? ? ?
Don't apologise it's a wonder thou hast not been swamped with mensa
boys.
ok - i must be wearing my mensa boy protection amulet and underwear
today
So were you labelled a cretin for daring to?
time will tell
Cheeky that paragraph giving Henry a bum licking but consider Nost by
giving that letter to Henry protects the document as a state document.
good call -
Pedal power, the Doom thou expecteth is not the Doom that thou
awaiteth.
but don't buy stock's in raliegh 0r shimano
the clarity i wisheth for is not yet the clarity i getteth
early days
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| User: "" |
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20 Sep 2007 05:27:32 AM |
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On Sep 20, 8:53 am, Phil Gristle <> wrote:
On 20 Sep, 10:01, "leigh8...@optusnet.com.au"
<leigh8...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
On Sep 20, 7:22 am, wrote:
Greetings fellow Doomed ones,
And to you!
Cheers - I think...
Following the poor scholarship branch not seriously at all, but give
them one thing even they get elements right.
Elements
Well to me Nostradamus' story is somewhat complicated if a commentator
can pick one of six facets he has an element of the story, but not the
whole story.
events ?
players?
planets?
do the "centuries" relate to the centuries in TIME since MN or is that
some mad word game
Well there is the norm for those folk, who at that time put their
works together in a similar manner, and went for balanced texts,
"balanced texts" ?
Consider Nosty is at the cutting edge of French as a written language
and is there basically at it's inception so he can contribute to
language.
The Mediavelists were into balance
now
on prophecy Nost adds a little word play because old Nost is covering
centuries but probably about 5 given there are 1000 or so rhymes 2 per
year gives 500,
but not in order -
so if one Quantrain refered to london burning how would we know if it
were the great fire or a nuke in WW3 ?
Nukes have a certain qualifier and WW3 is still at least 2 wars away
do we cross reference with astro planetary positions in an ephemeris ?
Nosty was a hopeless astrologer, his rhymes read better if planets are
countries and Astro houses are people.
though they do not work that way they fall into
categories like Battle and outcome War and outcome person and
outcome.
so no way of really telling ww1 from ww2 from ww3 ?
players identifies war.
europe battle fire
turks in ww1 = muslims in ww3 ? ? ?
Don't apologise it's a wonder thou hast not been swamped with mensa
boys.
ok - i must be wearing my mensa boy protection amulet and underwear
today
So were you labelled a cretin for daring to?
Branded more like, for continuous confronting of BS!
time will tell
Cheeky that paragraph giving Henry a bum licking but consider Nost by
giving that letter to Henry protects the document as a state document.
good call -
Pedal power, the Doom thou expecteth is not the Doom that thou
awaiteth.
but don't buy stock's in raliegh 0r shimano
Don't buy stocks.
the clarity i wisheth for is not yet the clarity i getteth
early days
Ahoy
LB
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| User: "Phil Gristle" |
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20 Sep 2007 07:46:43 AM |
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On 20 Sep, 22:27, "leigh8...@optusnet.com.au"
<leigh8...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
Well to me Nostradamus' story is somewhat complicated if a commentator
can pick one of six facets he has an element of the story, but not the
whole story.
ok
Consider Nosty is at the cutting edge of French as a written language
and is there basically at it's inception so he can contribute to
language.
cool - i seem to remember a similar tale about shakespearean english
The Mediavelists were into balance
western version of yin/yang - cause and effect - middle way -
everything in its season
i think we lost something when we went decimal - the abiity to think
fluidly in other bases
pascal's wager is just an exploration of 4 options
ok so look out for that as it was "fashionable" and they don't mind a
bit of embellishment - well the "charming" prose to the king ...
Nukes have a certain qualifier and WW3 is still at least 2 wars away
i can afford to put my feet up
;p
do we cross reference with astro planetary positions in an ephemeris ?
Nosty was a hopeless astrologer, his rhymes read better if planets are
countries and Astro houses are people.
worth watching out for...
so no way of really telling ww1 from ww2 from ww3 ?
players identifies war.
cool
Branded more like, for continuous confronting of BS!
the curse of the intelligent is that the unintelligent love cunning
hmm - maybe i could work that into hryme
Don't buy stocks.
a farm - a papal dispension...
Ahoy
LB
cheers for the heads up...
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| User: "" |
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20 Sep 2007 05:01:38 PM |
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On Sep 20, 10:46 pm, Phil Gristle <philgris...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 20 Sep, 22:27, "leigh8...@optusnet.com.au"
<leigh8...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
Well to me Nostradamus' story is somewhat complicated if a commentator
can pick one of six facets he has an element of the story, but not the
whole story.
ok
Consider Nosty is at the cutting edge of French as a written language
and is there basically at it's inception so he can contribute to
language.
cool - i seem to remember a similar tale about shakespearean english
Very similar in some regards only 50 years apart but similar use of
tone allegory and understatement etc, the thing that catches most
commentators is Context, most follow the Biblical read by Miller and
his ilk.
The Mediavelists were into balance
western version of yin/yang - cause and effect - middle way -
everything in its season
Sort of let me see should be able to dig a post I made here some time
ago
2005
http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.prophecies.nostradamus/browse_frm/thread/b0399da87e9e02c3/d28944d04b3aa0d8?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=Joan+helm&rnum=1#d28944d04b3aa0d8
Knights of the times table BY Robert Cockburn The Australian
Edition WED 25 JUL 2001,
www.theaustrallan.com.au/highered
Brisbane scholar's interpretation of Camelot has caused an uproar in
the
world of medieval literature, reports Robert Cockburn
Unassuming University of Queensland scholar seems to have scooped the
academic world with a discovery about the legends of King Arthur and
his
court. Joan Helm believes she has unearthed a secret subtext that has
remained hidden for 800 years. Original Arthurian romances, the tales
of
Camelot, King Arthur, his queen Guinevere, Lancelot and the story of
the
holy grail, were written by a Frenchman d Chretien De Troyes in the
12th
century. Scholars have always been baffled by some of the more bizarre
episodes described in the stories: Chretien's 'fits of madness, for
instance, strange number puzzles or the Arthurian coronation robes
emblazoned with symbols of geometry, arithmetic, music and astronomy.
For
eight centuries no manuscript analyst had been able to work out what
they
all meant. a down-to-earth UQ scholar. Like many people when they
reach
midlife and their children have left home, Helm wanted an intellectual
challenge. She enrolled in an English literature course at UQ and one
of her
course books happened to be Chretien's Arthurian Romances, translated
into
English. I read them I became irritated by the way Lancelot and others
swooned into madness at the sight of Guinevere's golden hair," she
says.---I
am a mum and a grandma and I know what teenage boys are like. Lancelot
is so
excessive that I knew there had to be another explanation. There had
to be
some deeper meaning is ridiculous behaviour. I suspected that Chretien
was
trying to convey something else, but for some reason was disguising
his
meaning." a latter-day Miss Marple. Helm began a quest that was to
take her
along an academic road that was as exciting as it was fraught. she
taught
herself Old French so she could follow the legends in the original.
Then she
applied her mathematical brain (she has a phenomenal aptitude for
hers, of
which she was virtually unaware until she began this investigation) to
the
words and discovered a remarkable sequence of numbers that provided a
to
unlocking some of the legends' mysteries. : all good detective
stories, the
clue that was to unravel the secret lay in a small detail. Sorting
photocopies of the manuscript's pages on her living-room, Helm saw a
huge
grid system unfolding in its precisely numbered lines. Unexplained
ornate
capitals and events are written at line numbers that correspond to
Greek
mathematical ratios. two most famous legends are Lancelot, or the
Knight of
the Cart and The Story of the Grail, which is not called the holy
grail in
the original. Lancelot is the of a knight torn between his love and
his
honour. As Arthur's most trusted warrior, he falls in love with
Guinevere.
Choosing love over honour, Lancelot ends into madness and becomes an
outcast -- a parallel with those who defied the church to follow
Platonic
philosophy. following Chretien's clues, Helm found examples of
classical
structural and narrative patterns inspired by Greek, Arab and Jewish
learning being rediscovered in Christian Europe at the time. Chretien
was
writing for Henry 11 and Eleanor of Aquitaine in the 12th century, an
age of
crusades and tumultuous change. tales mirror their passions and power
games
but also -- according to Helm the scientific and philosophical
discoveries
that would shape the Western world. Such learning was condemned as
heresy by
the church. which was swift to excommunicate overt writers such as
Abelard
(of Abelard and Heloise fame). Helm's discovery suggest Chretien was
being
deliberately covert to avoid the Christian Church's threat of eternal
damnation?
Academics will probably argue about it for the next eight centuries.
One of
Helm's theories concerns an ornate, painted capital E appears for no
particular reason in the middle of the manuscript telling the story of
Lancelot. (No one, including Helm, has a theory as to why it is an E
as
opposed to any other letter.)
She argues that the E is at line 4401. By dividing the total line
count of
the story, 7118, by 4401, you arrive at the Greek golden mean, 1618 or
pi.
This is the sacred geometry Plato said the gods used to create the
universe.
It shapes the spiral of the nautilus shell and the face of the
sunflower,
and gives the proportions of the Parthenon and Europe's gothic
cathedrals.
"It sounds strange today, but the medieval mind was obsessed with the
mystical power of Greek numbers and geometry," says Helm. "These new
numerals were thought of as something evil because they had come from
the
pagan world this was enough to get them banned.
"When I saw the geometric pattern emerging, I thought: 'Bingo.' Here
is an
explanation for some of the characters' absurd behaviour. It made me
very
happy. "I saw that knights went into trances with golden hair at line
numbers corresponding with those golden ratios in Lancelot. Through-
out
Arthurian Romances you get these apparently absurd scenes that you
feel must
have some concealed meaning. They did not seem to have any Intelligent
or
logical explanation. When Lancelot finds the golden hairs of Guinevere
in a
comb, for example, he swoons Into a trance of rapture that goes on and
on
and on. Why do you find a grown man swooning into some trance just
because
he found a hair in a comb?
"As Lancelot praises his forbidden love for the king's wife, he says:
'He
who obeys Love's command is uplifted and all shall be forgiven him. 'I
think
Chretien is also expressing here a love for the forbidden Platonic
philosophy.
"In the tale of Cliges, the hero is given a shirt by Guinevere with a
golden
hair embroidered in it. The story says, again at the significant
golden
ratio line: 'When he beheld the hair he thought he was lord of the
whole
world'- which I interpret as a reference to the ancient Greek creation
story."
Helm has similar explanations for Chretien's obsession with the
numbers
three and five in Erec and Enide and the first haunting Story of the
Grail.
"At the time I didn't realise what I had stumbled across. There is far
more
treasure in this manuscript than one would think. I suppose the reason
no
scholars have divined these extra meanings in the legends before is
because
literary people generally don't know much about maths."
It would be easy to be fooled by her cardigan and soft voice, but Helm
has a
steely determination and is irreverently humorous about the literary
establishment. Reared in a strict Victorian family, she has a
pioneering
spirit. She might have been untutored (although she has gained her
doctorate), but she is also intellectually free of the burden of work
by
previous scholars.
Her homespun philosophy comes from a mind that is sharp and sceptical
- and
not afraid to take chances. Her uncovering of hidden meanings, of a
multicultural Arthur in what have always been assumed were Christian
tales,
is startling. Keith Atkinson, professor of French, who supervised
Helm's
postgraduate work at UQ, is full of praise for his student. "Joan's
discovery has dramatically shifted our understanding of medieval
construction principles in texts," he says. "Her work means a major
rethink."
David Howlett, the editor of Oxford University's medieval Latin
dictionary,
who has met opposition to his research on the structure of religious
and
literary manuscripts, says of Helm's findings: "Chretien's pattern
leaps off
the page at you. He didn't invent the pattern but is a supreme
practitioner
of it. How long do you think the arm of coincidence is?"
But William W. Kibler, the translator of Penguin Classics' Arthurian
Romances and one of the world's leading medievalists, is dismissive.
"I am
not big on number symbolism," he says. "Chretien was not writing for
an
audience that was going to sit down with the manuscript and try to
puzzle it
out. Why does Lancelot behave the way he does? Is he simply crazy or
Is he
in love? And if you are in love, why do you behave so crazily? People
who
are in love do foolish things. That is what life is like."
Of Helm's assertion that Chretien had a "greater purpose", she admits:
"I
really do not know what his meaning is. Scholars are still trying to
figure
out what he means."
Whether what Helm has uncovered turns out to be the holy grail of
literary
discoveries, her work adds an enthralling dimension to the mystery of
Camelot.
The Times Robert Cockburn and Film Culture Pty Ltd are making a
television
documentary about Joan Helm's work with support from the Australian
Film
Commission
i think we lost something when we went decimal - the abiity to think
fluidly in other bases.
Nothing wrong with decimal system only mpg suffered, besides it's
French though the Pom reckons they thought of it first
pascal's wager is just an exploration of 4 options
ok so look out for that as it was "fashionable" and they don't mind a
bit of embellishment - well the "charming" prose to the king ...
Nukes have a certain qualifier and WW3 is still at least 2 wars away
i can afford to put my feet up
Just don't go to sleep maketh hay whileth the sun still shineth and
thou still hast hay to make
;p
do we cross reference with astro planetary positions in an ephemeris ?
Nosty was a hopeless astrologer, his rhymes read better if planets are
countries and Astro houses are people.
worth watching out for...
Explain Libra in bondage!
so no way of really telling ww1 from ww2 from ww3 ?
players identifies war.
cool
Branded more like, for continuous confronting of BS!
the curse of the intelligent is that the unintelligent love cunning
worth noting is the lack of supporting evidence or cogent defence of
his position.
hmm - maybe i could work that into hryme
Don't provoke him he is sensitive.
Don't buy stocks.
a farm - a papal dispension...
Ahoy
LB
cheers for the heads up...
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| User: "HAPPYsamurai" |
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20 Sep 2007 07:18:26 PM |
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On 21 Sep, 10:01, "leigh8...@optusnet.com.au"
<leigh8...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
Just don't go to sleep maketh hay whileth the sun still shineth and
thou still hast hay to make
what "hay" would that be
are we talkin spiritual preparation - in whatever form that takes
or
physical
food stores and survival shelters
?
Explain Libra in bondage!
not whips and leather I take it
;p
well - i have pulled up the wiki source version - but i'm thinkin one
of those
'...worth" classic versions for hard copy reading
appreciate the time - feel free to get me up to speed
to be honest i think I have been drawn here so I can define exactly
the best HAY to make while the sun still shines...
and how to best prepare to look after me and mine when the time comes
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| User: "Werewolfy" |
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20 Sep 2007 07:24:42 PM |
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On Sep 21, 1:18?am, HAPPYsamurai <profstock...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
how to best prepare to look after me and mine when the time comes
Dig graves.
Werewolfy
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| User: "HAPPYsamurai" |
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20 Sep 2007 07:34:05 PM |
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On 21 Sep, 12:24, Werewolfy <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On Sep 21, 1:18?am, HAPPYsamurai <profstock...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
how to best prepare to look after me and mine when the time comes
Dig graves.
Werewolfy
thanks for the optimism -
leave the dead to bury the dead sounds a little more in line with -
make hay while the sun shines
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| User: "Tugboat Captain" |
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30 Sep 2007 03:36:47 PM |
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HAPPYsamurai skrev:
On 21 Sep, 12:24, Werewolfy <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On Sep 21, 1:18?am, HAPPYsamurai <profstock...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
how to best prepare to look after me and mine when the time comes
Dig graves.
Werewolfy
thanks for the optimism -
leave the dead to bury the dead sounds a little more in line with -
make hay while the sun shines
Hmm... I'm planting trees. When THE time comes, it comes. Jesus is all
right.
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| User: "Phil Gristle" |
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20 Sep 2007 07:38:50 PM |
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On 21 Sep, 10:01, "leigh8...@optusnet.com.au"
<leigh8...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
Just don't go to sleep maketh hay whileth the sun still shineth and
thou still hast hay to make
what "hay" would that be
are we talkin spiritual preparation - in whatever form that takes
or
physical
food stores and survival shelters
?
Explain Libra in bondage!
not whips and leather I take it
;p
well - i have pulled up the wiki source version - but i'm thinkin one
of those
'...worth" classic versions for hard copy reading
appreciate the time - feel free to get me up to speed
to be honest i think I have been drawn here so I can define exactly
the best HAY to make while the sun still shines...
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