Greetings fellow Doomed ones
OK question 1
how seriously should I try and read old Nosty?
I mean
do the "centuries" relate to the centuries in TIME since MN or is that
some mad word game
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can i find the great fire of london in the Cs and Qs
and will that give me a start to "time" the follow Prophesies
sorry for me wanting to seek some kind of logic here
but if I am going to be skeptical enought to question Claudes
interpretation than I need to apply the same eye to MN himself
he was certainly very diplomatic when it came to kissing Henrys royal
posterior
is there a logical FAQ page somewhere or am i being too optimistic ?
Can i presume on the human kindness of those resolved to their fate
or should I just carry on building my 4x4 submarine
ps - does he say if batteries / electrics will still work or should i
go full on mechanical
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On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:22:26 -0700,
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Greetings fellow Doomed ones
OK question 1
how seriously should I try and read old Nosty?
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Depends on how serious a fellow you are.
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I mean
do the "centuries" relate to the centuries in TIME since MN or is that
some mad word game
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The word 'centuries' refers to the number of poems in each 'book
of prophecies' Nostradamus published. They are supposed to
contain (they don't) one hundred poems each. Authors other than
Nostradamus have used that word to refer to groups of one hundred
poems.
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Your question might have arisen out of the fact that the French
word "centuries" looks exactly like the English word 'Centuries'.
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We sometimes call these 'false friends' (faux amis), as they are
words which appear to mean the same thing in both languages but
do not; and lousy translators sometimes take one for the other,
forgetting that this should not be done.
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An example, far from Nostradamus: the French verb "demander" and
the English verb "to demand", do look alike. So, many bad
translators have interchanged them, not realizing that they were
betraying what the speaker was saying. Imagine someone *asking*
something, only to be translated as having *demanded* something.
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To answer your question: No, Nostradamus' Centuries do not relate
to centuries of time (i.e., hundreds of years), but relate to
hundreds of poems.
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Have a nice day, folks!
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Claude Latrémouille
September 22, 2007
http://web.ncf.ca/cj559
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22 Sep 2007 04:58:57 PM |
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On 22 Sep, 11:01, (Claude Latremouille)
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Your question might have arisen out of the fact that the French
word "centuries" looks exactly like the English word 'Centuries'.
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We sometimes call these 'false friends' (faux amis), as they are
words which appear to mean the same thing in both languages but
do not; and lousy translators sometimes take one for the other,
forgetting that this should not be done.
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An example, far from Nostradamus: the French verb "demander" and
the English verb "to demand", do look alike. So, many bad
translators have interchanged them, not realizing that they were
betraying what the speaker was saying. Imagine someone *asking*
something, only to be translated as having *demanded* something.
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but lets us not speak of these country matters
yeh - i imagine no one could really truly understand any of what he
really meant when you put all the things that effect these "nuance"
factors
do you have that word ?
;p
what was Bush's one - the french don't even have a word for
entrepaneur
still - things like the city at 45 degrees and that must give some
hope of pulling something out of it
what's the consensus on 911 and the 1999 burning-sky "peom"
2 1s and a nine instead of 3 nines and a one ?
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| User: "Claude Latremouille" |
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23 Sep 2007 09:38:09 AM |
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:58:57 -0700, Phil Gristle <philgristle@gmail.com>
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still - things like the city at 45 degrees and that must give some
hope of pulling something out of it
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Actually, there is no such text by Nostradamus about 'the city at
45 degrees'. The quatrain reads:
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------------- C E N T V R I E___S I X S I E S M E. -----------
------------------ (édition de novembre 1557) ----------------
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--------- Cinq & quarante degrés ciel bruslera, --------------
--------- Feu approucher de la grand cité neufue, ------------
--------- Instant gramd flamme esparse saultera, -------------
--------- Quant on voudra des normans faire preuue. ----------
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Prior to 1945 (that's the "Cinq & quarante" of line 1) this
meaningful gobbledygook was... gobbledygook. Then, something
which had never happened before happened: An instantly scattered
great flame blew up. Nostradamus gives us the year in line 1, and
gives us in line 3 a rather faithful description of what heppens
for the first time in 1945: The detonation of an atomic bomb.
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Many a commentator had some difficulty reconciling the atomic
attacks upon Japan with line 4 which speaks of... Normans.
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This enigma is solved after 1945... as thousands of Americans
were buried in Normandy, just like Normans. They became Normans,
as they had died in Normandy in 1944 and were buried in Normandy.
So, line 4 speaks (in a convoluted manner) of Americans, who had
been attacked by the Japanese Imperial Forces (at Pearl Harbor),
and who proved to Japan that they had not forgotten Pearl Harbor
when they destroyed Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945.
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All this is well and good, but merely an interpretation. Is there
a way to validate that interpretation? Yes, if the above text is
a cipher. Four hundred years after its publication, it does look
like a cipher, as its style is -- to say the least -- non
standard, even for the 16th century.
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If it is a cipher, then it can be deciphered. It was. Each of its
line is a cryptic anagram, i.e., an anagram allowing for a one-
letter substitution per deciphered word. Thus:
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--------- L'An Quarante Cinq, deux Cités bruslent ------------
--------- par le grand feu d'Atome qu'un Chef décide ---------
--------- d'allumer instantanément par sa rage si ------------
--------- grande pour une grosse Attaque du Iapon. -----------
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For the gallically impaired:
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Year Forty Five, two Cities burn
by the great fire of the Atom which a Leader decides
to light instantly because of his rage so
great for a big Attack from Iapan.
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Clever, eh, this Nostradamus?!
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Claude Latrémouille
September 23, 2007
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23 Sep 2007 04:02:02 AM |
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On Sep 21, 7:01 pm, (Claude Latremouille)
wrote:
Depends on how serious a fellow you are.
do the "centuries" relate to the centuries in TIME since MN or is that
some mad word game
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The word 'centuries' refers to the number of poems in each 'book
of prophecies' Nostradamus published. They are supposed to
contain (they don't) one hundred poems each. Authors other than
Nostradamus have used that word to refer to groups of one hundred
poems.
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Your question might have arisen out of the fact that the French
word "centuries" looks exactly like the English word 'Centuries'.
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You could have shortened that speach (by a few paragraphs) there
Claude;
By just saying that Centieme {SP-?] in Old French means "100 of" !!!
But, that would still be "Missing The Point"
Nostradamus asked his "Window On The World" (candlelight mirror) to
show him what would happen over the coming years. - And it DID - for
the next 10 years (or so).
But, how was he (Michele de Nostradame) to know - that what he saw
after that - was in no chronological order at all..
Just A Thought.
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| User: "Claude Latremouille" |
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23 Sep 2007 11:26:38 AM |
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On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 02:02:02 -0700, kmiller <miller.k@sympatico.ca>
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You could have shortened that speach (by a few paragraphs) there Claude;
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Speach? Oh, you mean 'speech'. Seems that you have not finished
High School, eh? There are some good study programs in Ontario
for those in your situation. Try them. They are free.
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By just saying that Centieme {SP-?] in Old French means "100 of" !!!
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Actually, "100 of" is... "centaine". Centième is... the one-
hundreth part of something. Seems that you are not any better in
French as you are in English.
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But, that would still be "Missing The Point"
Nostradamus asked his "Window On The World" (candlelight mirror) to
show him what would happen over the coming years. - And it DID - for
the next 10 years (or so).
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We don't know how he got his visions. As to this supposed
'candlelight mirror' Nostradamus was merely repeating what he had
read elsewhere, so as to give some credibility to his gift of
prophecy. He probably also did not know where his visions came
from. And he did not want his readers to think that he got them
from the Devil, so he opted for a 'divine inspiration'. Wise man.
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But, how was he (Michele de Nostradame) to know - that what he saw
after that - was in no chronological order at all..
Just A Thought.
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The spelling of his name is Michel de Nostredame. As to the 10
years (or so) you mention, this is a figment of your imagination.
We do not know WHEN he got his visions, we do not know WHEN he
wrote his books, we only have some idea as to WHEN he published
them, and this is not even certain, as some of these dates are
false.
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As we do not know how he got his visions, we do not know in what
chronological order he got them. My personal view is that he
first got many 'flashes' showing the destruction of Paris, and
that he attempted later -- we don't know when, we don't know how
-- to get more visions which would explain the circumstances
leading to this one apocalyptic event of Sunday, August 13, 2017,
at 3:53 a.m.
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As to the chronological order of his quatrains, forget it. They
all contain an enciphered text speaking of the circumstances of
the unintended destruction of Paris. Nostradamus knew that his
quatrains were not in any chronological order and he made that
clear, as all of his commentators have understood that.
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This is one of the ways Nostradamus wanted to lead his 21st
century readers to realize that the quatrains they were reading
WERE NOT his prophecy and that his prophecy was hidden within
them. And as it speaks of only ONE EVENT, it has to be in
chronological order! ;-)
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Clever, eh, this Nostradamus?!
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Claude Latrémouille
September 23, 2007
http://web.ncf.ca/cj559
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24 Sep 2007 11:57:31 PM |
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On Sep 23, 12:26 pm, (Claude Latremouille)
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Speach? Oh, you mean 'speech'. Seems that you have not finished
High School, eh? There are some good study programs in Ontario
for those in your situation. Try them. They are free.
OK, so I didn't spell check the word 'speech'. - this makes me a High
School Drop-out ???
[Blame the "La Societe de l ' Ecoule[SP-?] Secondaire du Quebec" for
that one.]
*>By just saying that Centieme {SP-?] in Old French means "100 of" !!!
Actually, "100 of" is... "centaine". Centi=E8me is... the one-
hundreth part of something. Seems that you are not any better in
French as you are in English.
Neither are you - so it seems.
'centieme' is Old French for 100th
Nostradamus asked his "Window On The World" (candlelight mirror) to
show him what would happen over the coming years. - And it DID - for
the next 10 years (or so).
We don't know how he got his visions. As to this supposed
'candlelight mirror' Nostradamus was merely repeating what he had
read elsewhere, so as to give some credibility to his gift of
prophecy. He probably also did not know where his visions came
from. And he did not want his readers to think that he got them
from the Devil, so he opted for a 'divine inspiration'. Wise man.
You obviously haven't read any of the real transcripts by Michele de
Nostradame - or yoiu would know better.
[This process of "Viewing" was actually the reason for many of his
'bouts' with insanity.]
The spelling of his name is Michel de Nostredame.
Actually his real name is Michele de Notre Dame (as in being born in
the region of Notre Dame), which his 'Righteous' FANATICS later
changed to "Nostradamus" - because of its 'Mystical' Latin
implementations.
- Michele de Nostredame is also an 'acceptable' alternative (just
because it is much closer to his TRUE name) - but this is still just a
20th Century alternate.
And you call yourself a Nostradamus 'EXPERT' ???
}8<0
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| User: "kmiller" |
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25 Sep 2007 12:17:03 AM |
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PS: Claude, if you wish to see real 'Chronological' prophecy;
Check out Nostradamus' Sixains and letters to Henri. !!!
OR, better yet - check out the writings of Mario de Sabato.
:-)
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25 Sep 2007 04:33:09 PM |
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On 25 Sep, 17:17, kmiller <mille...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
PS: Claude, if you wish to see real 'Chronological' prophecy;
Check out Nostradamus' Sixains and letters to Henri. !!!
OR, better yet - check out the writings of Mario de Sabato.
:-)
what yrs do the sixains cover ?
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| User: "Claude Latremouille" |
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25 Sep 2007 10:24:39 PM |
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On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:33:09 -0700, Phil Gristle <philgristle@gmail.com>
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what yrs do the sixains cover ?
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The sixains do not cover anything at all. They are a 17th century
forgery. Nostradamus never saw them, never wrote them, never
published them.
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Have a nice day, folks!
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Claude Latrémouille
September 26, 2007
http://web.ncf.ca/cj559
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26 Sep 2007 12:02:22 AM |
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On Sep 25, 11:24 pm, (Claude Latremouille)
wrote:
The sixains do not cover anything at all. They are a 17th century
forgery. Nostradamus never saw them, never wrote them, never
published them.
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Have a nice day, folks!
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Claude Latr=E9mouille
September 26, 2007http://web.ncf.ca/cj559
Then tell me why Nostradamus' Sixains verses 'referencing' the year
605 (2005) to the year 609 (2009) - have been so accurate (and yet so
acute) - so far.
Just A Thought.
:-)
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| User: "kmiller" |
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26 Sep 2007 12:27:24 AM |
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Although this is not 100% proven:
Nostradamus' Quatrains are (supposedly) based on his candlelight
"Mirror" viewings.
The Sixains are based more on Notradamus' original translations of the
Hebrew 'Kabala'.
And his 'final' letters (to his sons) are supposed to be after
Nostradamus realized that his Quatrains were not "Presented To Him" in
any chrononilogical order. [That is when he 'suggested' to Henri that
there must be some "Hidden KEY", to decript them.] - But, there is no
KEY.
Nostradamus asked the 'MIRROR' (the Spirit World) to show him the
Future (in a chronological order), and they (the Spirit World) just
showed him 'clips' of events from the past, present, and future - in
no specific order.
This is why the Quatrains are just a 'collection' of viewings from his
(and our) past, present, and future.
Nothing MORE, and nothing LESS.
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| User: "Phil Gristle" |
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26 Sep 2007 03:10:03 PM |
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On 26 Sep, 17:27, kmiller <mille...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
This is why the Quatrains are just a 'collection' of viewings from his
(and our) past, present, and future.
Nothing MORE, and nothing LESS.
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so to pursue this line of thought,,,
you'd need to be "psychic" yourself to make anything out of them
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| User: "Claude Latremouille" |
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27 Sep 2007 08:49:18 AM |
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On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 13:10:03 -0700, Phil Gristle <philgristle@gmail.com>
wrote about Nostradamus' quatrains:
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you'd need to be "psychic" yourself to make anything out of them
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Actually, no, you don't need to be psychic to make something out
of some of them. If you start with the 'easy' ones, something I
did back in 1969 (when I too was a newbie), you can actually see
what Nostradamus is talking about. But there are two preliminary
conditions for one to do so. The first is that you must have a
very good knowledge of French. The second, is that the passage of
time must have been long enough to allow you to see what the
quatrain is about.
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With this in mind, let's look at the easiest one of the lot (in
my view), the very last of the bunch (thus showing that they are
not in chronological order), quatrain X-100:
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--------------- C E N T V R I E___D I X I E S M E. -----------
------------------ (édition prétendue de 1568) ---------------
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--------- Le grand empire sera par Angleterre, ---------------
--------- Le pempotam des ans plus de trois cens: ------------
--------- Grandes copies passer par mer & terre, -------------
--------- Les Lusitains n'en seront pas contens. -------------
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If you know enough French, you can see a few anomalies in the way
this very good one is written. "pempotam" is not a French word.
"copies" should not be read as a French word but as a Latin word
written in French, and "Lusitains" are not called that way
anymore.
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Other than that, the text is quite easy to follow and does not
need a lot of effort. It speaks of England's great Empire (the
one we call the British Empire), it says that it shall last more
than 300 years, it refers to her great troops which shall go by
sea and land, to the detriment of... the Portuguese Empire (which
existed when Nostradamus was born).
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Only after the end of the British Empire can we be sure that the
poem refers to it, as the British Empire lasted... less than 400
years. But it did not exist when Nostradamus wrote this. So, this
is a true and good prophecy.
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As to the last two lines, we all know that -- at one time -- it
was said that the Sun did not set upon the British Empire,
meaning that it extended all over the world, being both a
maritime and a land Empire, and we all know that the British
Empire replaced the Portuguese Empire in many parts of the world.
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What about the three bizarre words?
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"pempotam" can be understood as a rendering of two Greek words
"pan" and "potamos", meaning the totality of the river. And if
you replace that with the "pempotam" in line 2, you get:
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"the totality of the river of the years more than three hundred"
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And if you want to make it a bit more elegant, you can write:
'The full course of three hundred years'.
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As to the phoney "copies", you know that "copiae" in Latin means
troops.
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And finally, as to the "Lusitains", you know that Lusitania used
to be a part of the Iberic peninsula, which nowadays corresponds
more or less to... Portugal!
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So, the question is: If this text was so clear to begin with, why
did Nostradamus have to use many language oddities to write it?
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And the answer is: IT'S THE ANAGRAM, STUPID!!!
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What?!
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Yes, because Nostradamus used these four lines to hide at least
four anagrams, albeit cryptic anagrams, he had to bastardize his
otherwise quite clear text.
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Can I show the hidden text? Yes, I can. Here it is:
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--------- La Grande Bretaigne repérera la Mer ----------------
--------- et, passant par toutes les Mers du Monde, ----------
--------- ce très Grand Empire trespassera après -------------
--------- plusieurs bonnes centaines d'Années. ---------------
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You see, this very clear original text was hiding another very
clear text which reveals *why* England was able to build her
great Empire: her knowledge of longitudes. As her ships were
sailing throughout the world, not just along the coasts as the
Portuguese did, they knew *where* they were.
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'Great Britain shall survey the sea and, sailing through all of
the World's Seas, this very Great Empire shall expire after many
good hundreds of years.'
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Clever, eh, this Nostradamus?!
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Have a nice day, folks!
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Claude Latrémouille
September 27, 2007
http://web.ncf.ca/cj559
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| User: "kribuk" |
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27 Sep 2007 10:37:10 AM |
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"Claude Latremouille" <cj559@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
news:fdgccu$d8l$1@theodyn.ncf.ca...
Actually, no, you don't need to be psychic to make something out
of some of them.
True, just being an egotistical ***** is a start for some eh fraude?
The first is that you must have a very good knowledge of French.
Apart from being a Canuck what expertise do YOU have in French of
that period fraudey? do you pretend the language YOU speak is the same
one Nosty did? if not then how did you obtain your... er... expertise in
such an ancient language?
The second, is that the passage of
time must have been long enough to allow you to see what the
quatrain is about.
It's all about your history stupid!
Only after the end of the British Empire can we be sure that the
poem refers to it, as the British Empire lasted... less than 400
years. But it did not exist when Nostradamus wrote this. So, this
is a true and good prophecy.
Not true at all, the British empire was alive and kicking in Nosty's time
it was nowhere as large as it ended up but Britiain was a seafaring and
colonial nation at the time. As an example in 1553 Sir Hugh Willoughby
set off to find a northern route to India. In 1554 the Muscovy company
was granted a charter for trade with Russia and Persia.
During Nostradamus' time the British were called an Empire in many texts
so no surprise Nosty would refer to them as such.
As to the last two lines, we all know that -- at one time -- it
was said that the Sun did not set upon the British Empire,
meaning that it extended all over the world, being both a
maritime and a land Empire, and we all know that the British
Empire replaced the Portuguese Empire in many parts of the world.
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What about the three bizarre words?
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"pempotam" can be understood as a rendering of two Greek words
"pan" and "potamos", meaning the totality of the river. And if
you replace that with the "pempotam" in line 2, you get:
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"the totality of the river of the years more than three hundred"
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And if you want to make it a bit more elegant, you can write:
'The full course of three hundred years'.
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As to the phoney "copies", you know that "copiae" in Latin means
troops.
All of which is no more than your opinion as usual.
And the answer is: IT'S THE ANAGRAM, STUPID!!!
But they're YOUR anagrams stupid, you make them up and blame the seer
for your usage off his texts.
What?!
Yep, YOURS, get it yet old fraud?
Can I show the hidden text? Yes, I can. Here it is:
Of course you can, you boring old fool, they're made up by you so
why shouldn't you.
Tsk... 1/10 try harder.
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| User: "kmiller" |
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28 Sep 2007 10:44:42 PM |
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On Sep 27, 9:49 am, (Claude Latremouille)
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On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 13:10:03 -0700, Phil Gristle <philgris...@gmail.com>
wrote about Nostradamus' quatrains:
*>you'd need to be "psychic" yourself to make anything out of them
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Actually, no, you don't need to be psychic to make something out
of some of them.
Again Claude your are wasting two pages of writing - to state the
OBVIOUS !!!
Being a descendant of Quebec, Canada (like myself), you have grown-up
having to learn how to understand both a 'bastardized' Parisien french
and and 'colonialised' British Empire english.
If that doesn't make you (us) an expert at "pulling" meaningful Nouns
& Verbs from an Post 'Pig-Latin' language - I don't know what does !!!
Understanding Nostradamus is just a simple case of breaking down the
Nouns and Verbs (to their simplest context).
[Using a pre 1980s Canadian French / English Dictinary - of course.]
Nothing More (And Nothing Less).
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| User: "kribuk" |
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29 Sep 2007 05:45:12 AM |
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"kmiller" <miller.k@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:1191037482.623965.32530@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
Being a descendant of Quebec, Canada (like myself), you have grown-up
having to learn how to understand both a 'bastardized' Parisien french
and and 'colonialised' British Empire english.
Untrue on both counts. You speak Canadian French and/or Canadian English
neither of which are anything like their 15th century cousins.
If that doesn't make you (us) an expert at "pulling" meaningful Nouns
& Verbs from an Post 'Pig-Latin' language - I don't know what does !!!
It would only make you an "expert" in modern variants and, given your
risible attempts at English in here, not necessarily an expert even in
that.
Understanding Nostradamus is just a simple case of breaking down the
Nouns and Verbs (to their simplest context).
[Using a pre 1980s Canadian French / English Dictinary - of course.]
Everyone has their favourite theories as to what the seer actually meant,
nobody actually knows, it's nothing more than guess work.
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30 Sep 2007 12:29:40 AM |
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On Sep 29, 6:45 am, "kribuk" <kri...@gmail.com> wrote:
Everyone has their favourite theories as to what the seer actually meant,
nobody actually knows, it's nothing more than guess work.
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krib
I won.t argue that 'point of view' - at all.
[Infact, 'krib' that is the first bit of USEFUL INFORMATION, that you
have posted here in nearly 3 yrs.]
Everything that Nostradamus [Michele de Notre Dame] has written - is
open to - your own 'personal' interpretation. After all, the only
person that really knew what Nostradamus meant, was Nostradamus -
himself !!!
[Assuming the even he 'understood' what he was SEEING ???]
Unfortunatrely for us, he has been "Six Feet Under" (for a very long
time). And everything we do is just SPECULATION.
But, speculating is half the FUN - don't you think ?
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30 Sep 2007 08:58:39 AM |
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*
On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 22:29:40 -0700, kmiller <miller.k@sympatico.ca>
wrote in part:
*
[Infact, 'krib' that is the first bit of USEFUL INFORMATION, that you
have posted here in nearly 3 yrs.]
*
Hmmm, here is one dating back December 28, 2001:
*
I believe you're a twat that doesn't know what you're talking about,
that clear enough for you *****?
__
krib
*
As you can see, the British military does provide quite a lot of
useful information to this NewsGroup.
*
As to the subject at hand, one can only see that Nostradamus'
texts lead to pure conjecture IF THEY ARE NOT ENCIPHERED.
*
As Nostradamus wrote them for a reason, it is quite reasonable to
assume that he did not do so merely to create confusion in the
mind of his readers.
*
And to those who have a mastery of the French language,
Nostradamus' texts are nothing but meaningful gobbledygook, an
additional indication they they are enciphered.
*
Have a nice day, folks!
*
Claude Latrémouille
September 30, 2007
http://web.ncf.ca/cj559
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=== CLAUDE LATRÉMOUILLE ===
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| User: "kribuk" |
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01 Oct 2007 04:32:39 AM |
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"Claude Latremouille" <cj559@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message news:fdoa2f$1mb$1@theodyn.ncf.ca...
Hmmm, here is one dating back December 28, 2001:
*
I believe you're a twat that doesn't know what you're talking about,
that clear enough for you *****?
__
krib
*
As you can see, the British military does provide quite a lot of
useful information to this NewsGroup.
As usual you have no clue what you're talking about. the "British military"
did not provide that quote I did, but as usual you make up a lir and try to
answer that instead.
You do it a lot, you're nothing but a pathetic liar as has been shown many times.
As to the subject at hand, one can only see that Nostradamus'
texts lead to pure conjecture IF THEY ARE NOT ENCIPHERED.
Speculation on your part, nothing but opinion.
As Nostradamus wrote them for a reason, it is quite reasonable to
assume that he did not do so merely to create confusion in the
mind of his readers.
He could simply have been insane too, you not anybody else knows.
And to those who have a mastery of the French language,
Nostradamus' texts are nothing but meaningful gobbledygook, an
additional indication they they are enciphered.
Yet you have no mastery of the language the seer spoke do you fraude?
You have no answers to why every single attempt by you to get YOUR
anagrams to show an event in YOUR future they fail 100% of the time.
The reason you can't answer why M. Chirac wasn't assassinated, nor the
Aegean Sea ws nuked despite several changes to YOUR dates after each
failure is because you can't admit YOUR anagrams were not put there by
Nosty but are simply YOUR imagination.
The same thing will happen when the IRA fail to nuke the chunnel this year
and every other future event YOU made up from YOUR anagrams fails to
pass, you still won't see the obvious because you're an idiot blinded by
your own fat ego.
You have a good day too you pathetic old fraud. ;0)
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krib
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01 Oct 2007 06:01:13 AM |
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On Oct 1, 7:32 pm, "kribuk" <kri...@gmail.com> wrote:
"Claude Latremouille" <cj...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in messagenews:fdoa2f$1mb$1@theodyn.ncf.ca...
Hmmm, here is one dating back December 28, 2001:
*
I believe you're a twat that doesn't know what you're talking about,
that clear enough for you *****?
__
krib
*
As you can see, the British military does provide quite a lot of
useful information to this NewsGroup.
As usual you have no clue what you're talking about. the "British military"
did not provide that quote I did, but as usual you make up a lir and try to
answer that instead.
You do it a lot, you're nothing but a pathetic liar as has been shown many times.
As to the subject at hand, one can only see that Nostradamus'
texts lead to pure conjecture IF THEY ARE NOT ENCIPHERED.
Speculation on your part, nothing but opinion.
As Nostradamus wrote them for a reason, it is quite reasonable to
assume that he did not do so merely to create confusion in the
mind of his readers.
He could simply have been insane too, you not anybody else knows.
And to those who have a mastery of the French language,
Nostradamus' texts are nothing but meaningful gobbledygook, an
additional indication they they are enciphered.
Yet you have no mastery of the language the seer spoke do you fraude?
You have no answers to why every single attempt by you to get YOUR
anagrams to show an event in YOUR future they fail 100% of the time.
The reason you can't answer why M. Chirac wasn't assassinated, nor the
Aegean Sea ws nuked despite several changes to YOUR dates after each
failure is because you can't admit YOUR anagrams were not put there by
Nosty but are simply YOUR imagination.
The same thing will happen when the IRA fail to nuke the chunnel this year
and every other future event YOU made up from YOUR anagrams fails to
pass, you still won't see the obvious because you're an idiot blinded by
your own fat ego.
You have a good day too you pathetic old fraud. ;0)
--
krib
Nicely put, seems odd speaks French and doesn't get it?
LB
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| User: "kribuk" |
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02 Oct 2007 03:11:08 AM |
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<leigh8bee@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:1191236473.988454.297150@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
Nicely put, seems odd speaks French and doesn't get it?
That's the point, he doesn't speak french he's a canuck, a faux frog
who makes up his little rules of how to interpret the seer like he makes
up HIS little anagrams.
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krib
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| User: "kmiller" |
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01 Oct 2007 10:59:00 PM |
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On Sep 30, 9:58 am, (Claude Latremouille)
wrote:
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On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 22:29:40 -0700, kmiller <mille...@sympatico.ca>
wrote in part:
*>[Infact, 'krib' that is the first bit of USEFUL INFORMATION, that you
have posted here in nearly 3 yrs.]
*
Hmmm, here is one dating back December 28, 2001:
*>I believe you're a twat that doesn't know what you're talking about,
that clear enough for you *****?
__
krib
Are you "IMPLYING" that I called 'krib' a TWAT !!! - there Claude ???
[Anyone that knows my posts - knows that I have never (and I mean
never) used that word to describe anyone here.]
You must either be using one of DOC's (then Tony's) "Faked POSTINGs" -
OR you are 'mixing' threads - to PUSH an AGENDA .
Either way, leave me out of you 'scrambling' of words - HERE. }8< |
{:<|~
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| User: "kribuk" |
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02 Oct 2007 03:09:28 AM |
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"kmiller" <miller.k@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:1191297540.903816.160380@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
Are you "IMPLYING" that I called 'krib' a TWAT !!! - there Claude ???
[Anyone that knows my posts - knows that I have never (and I mean
never) used that word to describe anyone here.]
C'mon Kim learn to read English, fraudey is quoting me not you.
You must either be using one of DOC's (then Tony's) "Faked POSTINGs" -
OR you are 'mixing' threads - to PUSH an AGENDA .
Nah he's just raking up an old post in order to avoid discussing points made
in present ones, he's used the exact same quote before.
You have to remember he can only work with things that happened in the past
because HIS little anagrams only work when he can twist them to match events
that have already happened, hence the 100% failure to date of HIS anagrams
to predict an event in his future.
Either way, leave me out of you 'scrambling' of words - HERE. }8< |
Only thing scrambled are the minds of you and fraudey kim.
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krib
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| User: "kmiller" |
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02 Oct 2007 03:51:48 AM |
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Sorry 'krib' but I have had more than a FEW 'instances' where "DOC",
"Wally", "Tony", etc ... have very 'successfully' FAKED my POSTs (and
Replies) - to other Sites and Threads.
{I have at least three "Complaints' on record with Google -about this
ABUSE..]
PS: The word is Fraudulent 'Abuse' - not "fraudey" (or "Frauduary"
Abuse)
Just A Thought - there 'frib' ( 'DOC' ) !!!
8< |~
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| User: "kribuk" |
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02 Oct 2007 05:23:44 AM |
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"kmiller" <miller.k@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:1191315108.600294.190840@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
Sorry 'krib' but I have had more than a FEW 'instances' where "DOC",
"Wally", "Tony", etc ... have very 'successfully' FAKED my POSTs (and
Replies) - to other Sites and Threads.
I doubt that, it's probably in your head just like Milka and your
prophecy inanity is.
{I have at least three "Complaints' on record with Google -about this
ABUSE..]
Do they ignore you? I expect they get a lot of mail from kooks.
PS: The word is Fraudulent 'Abuse' - not "fraudey" (or "Frauduary"
Abuse)
No it isn't, as I stated before you really should learn to read.
You said earlier
"Being a descendant of Quebec, Canada (like myself), you have grown-up
having to learn how to understand both a 'bastardized' Parisien french
and and 'colonialised' British Empire english.
If that doesn't make you (us) an expert at "pulling" meaningful Nouns
& Verbs from an Post 'Pig-Latin' language - I don't know what does !!!"
Obviously your so called expertise doesn't cover your woeful inability
to understand even the simplest English, maybe that's why your
imagination is always making stuff up eh?
Just A Thought - there 'frib' ( 'DOC' ) !!!
You're seeing 'DOC' everywhere Kim, I'm not him but if it helps you
manage your problems then carry on.
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krib
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| User: "kmiller" |
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28 Sep 2007 11:04:58 PM |
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And, in answer to 'Phil Gristle's question - "Do you need to be
Psychic?"
The answer is NO.
You just have to be perceptive to what Nostradamus has written down
(the Quatrains); and how they 'accurately' describe events that has
happened both recently, and in the past 2000 yrs.!!!
[Only Nostradamus believed that he was (only) just seeing Future
Events.]
8-]
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| User: "kmiller" |
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28 Sep 2007 10:22:51 PM |
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On Sep 26, 4:10 pm, Phil Gristle <philgris...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 26 Sep, 17:27, kmiller <mille...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
so to pursue this line of thought,,,
you'd need to be "psychic" yourself (themselves) - to make anything out of them (???)
Not at all !!!
One just has to be perceptive (and able to see the "Overall"
perspective) as to how these current (and past) events have affect
HUMANITY. - and how the 'translate' to Nostramus's Quatrains. [Unless
you are a U.S. Republican - of course.]
- we all know how absurd it is, that you could drop-off a
'Living' (and breathing) Alien [of the Martian kind] on a U.S.
Reuplican's doorstep, and their first question would still be : "So
what part of America did you come from (and how did you get that
strange Green Tan) ???"
8-{
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| User: "kmiller" |
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19 Sep 2007 11:51:42 PM |
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On Sep 19, 5:22 pm, wrote:
Greetings fellow Doomed ones
Greetings :-)
Finally, we have someone here - who actually 'cares' about the
writings of Nostradamus.
[No offense to you other Nostradamians - it is just that your post
have been greatly 'side tracked' lately.]
My take on Nostradamus in the beginning (propably much like yours) was
based on novels I had read. - that was my first mistake. Every
'interpretation' book that I have read (except one) about Nostradamus
in the last 20 years - is wrong
Most Nostradamians think that there is some "Hidden Key" within his
writtings - that will allow someone (someday) to understand; and pre-
predict his Quatrains - before they actually happen.
This "Hidden Key" does not exist.
Nostradamus' Quatrains are written chronologically - based on his
'Viewings' - nothing more (and less) !!!
The "Viewings" of Nostradamus are based on him (Michele de Nostradame)
starring in to a candlelight mirror - and seeing 'fragments' of Future
(and Past) occurances. - and then writting them down in quatrain
format.
- Has (or will) these things happen - "Most Definitely"
- Will we see them the same way that Michele de Nostradame did -
probably not.
[Just imagine seeing 6 months of lifes tragedies 'pass before your
eyes' - in a matter of a few seconds.]
There is no real 'mystery' to the Quatrains - other than seeing them -
for what they ARE !!!
And that is, someone seeing future (and past) events that may span a 6
month period - happening before their eyes in a matter of seconds -
and then trying to write it down. (Not knowing if they had just seen
something that had already happened, or something that will happen in
the future.)
Michele de Nostradame was not tring to hide what he saw in 'riddled'
quatrains because he feared persecution - he did it because he was
afraid that people would declare him a "Lunatic" (if they knew what he
was really doing) !!!
Hope That Helps.
;-)
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| User: "Phil Gristle" |
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20 Sep 2007 01:49:48 AM |
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On 20 Sep, 16:51, kmiller <mille...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On Sep 19, 5:22 pm, wrote:
Greetings fellow Doomed ones
Greetings :-)
My take on Nostradamus in the beginning (propably much like yours) was
based on novels I had read. - that was my first mistake. Every
'interpretation' book that I have read (except one) about Nostradamus
in the last 20 years - is wrong
ok
This "Hidden Key" does not exist.
ok
Nostradamus' Quatrains are written chronologically - based on his
'Viewings' - nothing more (and less) !!!
so can I roughly go 1 quantrain per year starting around 1600 up to
500 yrs
or is the "century" word have a time context or is it merely the
french decimal system
The "Viewings" of Nostradamus are based on him (Michele de Nostradame)
starring in to a candlelight mirror - and seeing 'fragments' of Future
ok
- Has (or will) these things happen - "Most Definitely"
well i'd assume a yr by yr comparison of the time that has gone will
show that to date...
- Will we see them the same way that Michele de Nostradame did -
probably not.
[Just imagine seeing 6 months of lifes tragedies 'pass before your
eyes' - in a matter of a few seconds.]
Hope That Helps.
;-)
it's a start
i guess it will have a french jewish 1600s flavor too
cheers
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| User: "kmiller" |
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20 Sep 2007 10:21:37 PM |
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On Sep 20, 2:49 am, Phil Gristle <> wrote:
On 20 Sep, 16:51, kmiller <mille...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On Sep 19, 5:22 pm, wrote:
so can I roughly go 1 quantrain per year starting around 1600 up to
500 yrs
or is the "century" word have a time context or is it merely the
french decimal system
Actually, I would forget the whole Centuries chronology - all
together.
Personally, I see it as nothing more than a way for Michele de
Nostradame to keep track of his VIEWINGs.
[Kind of like coding them with a 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, ..., 2.1, 2.2,
2.3, .., 3.1, 3.2, ..., .and so on.]
Maybe that is why he found a way to have more years in a century -
than is humanly possible ???
Neither myself, or just about any other person (based on their
writings) has been able to put his 'Centuries' quatrains into any kind
of tangible timeline. - It just isn't there (my personal opinion).
But many people have found incredible 'relevance' between his
quatrains, and how things have "un-folded" (happened)l - in hind
sight.
I (personally) cannot doubt that Nostradamus did have a "Window On The
Future (and the Past)";
Unfortunately, the person in-charge of showing these "VIEWINGs" to him
- in a chronological order - F**K-UP !!!
Again, Just My Thoughts.
:- o
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| User: "" |
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19 Sep 2007 05:01:08 PM |
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On Sep 20, 7:22 am, wrote:
Greetings fellow Doomed ones,
And to you!
OK question 1
how seriously should I try and read old Nosty?
Following the poor scholarship branch not seriously at all, but give
them one thing even they get elements right.
I mean
do the "centuries" relate to the centuries in TIME since MN or is that
some mad word game
Well there is the norm for those folk, who at that time put their
works together in a similar manner, and went for balanced texts, now
on prophecy Nost adds a little word play because old Nost is covering
centuries but probably about 5 given there are 1000 or so rhymes 2 per
year gives 500, though they do not work that way they fall into
categories like Battle and outcome War and outcome person and
outcome.
2
can i find the great fire of london in the Cs and Qs
and will that give me a start to "time" the follow Prophesies
sorry for me wanting to seek some kind of logic here
Don't apologise it's a wonder thou hast not been swamped with mensa
boys.
but if I am going to be skeptical enought to question Claudes
interpretation than I need to apply the same eye to MN himself
So were you labelled a cretin for daring to?
he was certainly very diplomatic when it came to kissing Henrys royal
posterior
Cheeky that paragraph giving Henry a bum licking but consider Nost by
giving that letter to Henry protects the document as a state document.
is there a logical FAQ page somewhere or am i being too optimistic ?
PLM used to give one but again + logic not all is Gospel.
Can i presume on the human kindness of those resolved to their fate
or should I just carry on building my 4x4 submarine
ps - does he say if batteries / electrics will still work or should i
go full on mechanical
Pedal power, the Doom thou expecteth is not the Doom that thou
awaiteth.
LB
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