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PARIS (AFP) - Fresh rioting broke out on the outskirts of Paris =
overnight as gangs of youths challenged authorities' vows to crack down =
on urban violence that has plagued the French capital for over a week.=20
Police said more than 40 vehicles were torched in the worst-hit =
northeastern region of Seine-Saint-Denis, where 1,300 officers were =
deployed, and more than 30 people were arrested there and elsewhere.
Shots were also fired at riot police vans without causing injury.
A top government official for the region, Jean-Francois Cordet, said the =
violence was "spreading to the east and north" of Seine-Saint-Denis with =
only a few areas with a heavy police presence remaining "relatively =
calm."
Five officers were hurt by projectiles thrown by youths in the western =
suburb of Mantes-La-Jolie.
And for the first time since the troubles first erupted on Thursday of =
last week, there were sporadic signs of copycat rampages elsewhere in =
France. Police said several cars in the eastern city of Dijon were set =
alight.
The rioting was a direct challenge to the authority of the French =
government and to Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin in particular.
Villepin on Thursday vowed before parliament that authorities "will not =
give in" to the violence and would make restoring order their "absolute =
top priority".
"I will not allow organised gangs to make the law in the suburbs," he =
declared.
The clashes have gained territory virtually every night since they =
began, exposing what sociologists and commentators said was a blatant =
failure of successive governments to address the problems of low-income, =
high-immigration suburbs dominated by grim public housing estates, some =
of them little more than ghettos where crime and gangs run rampant.
The riots were sparked last week by the accidental electrocution of two =
teenagers who had hidden in an electrical sub-station to escape a police =
identity check in the suburb at the epicentre of the troubles, =
Clichy-sous-Bois.
The opposition Socialist Party and many in the suburbs themselves blamed =
hardline policies by Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy for fanning the =
violence.
Sarkozy, who Thursday said the total number of people arrested was over =
140, vowed a "war without mercy" on crime and rebellious youths in the =
suburbs just before the rampages erupted.
The minister, also leader of the conservative UMP ruling party with =
ambitions of running for president in two years' time, has drawn =
criticism for his tough rhetoric, especially for referring to =
delinquents as "rabble".
On Thursday, he claimed that recent rioting "was not spontaneous, it was =
perfectly organized -- we are looking into by whom and how."
Villepin -- who cancelled a trip to Canada to tackle the crisis -- said =
the violence was "unacceptable".=20
=20
President Jacques Chirac on Wednesday called for calm, warning that an =
escalation would be "dangerous".
The country has 751 neighbourhoods officially classed as severely =
disadvantaged, housing a total of five million people, around eight =
percent of the population.
Conditions are often dire with high-rise housing, unemployment at twice =
the national rate of 10 percent and per capita incomes 40 percent below =
the national average.=20
Many of France's estimated five million Muslims live in those suburbs. =
Thursday night was the end of the Islamic holy month of Ramadan, a night =
traditionally marked by feasts and family get-togethers.
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Not only in France; riots are happening in Denmark, too. =
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2005/cover110405.htm
"Is there a connection between the Moslem-led youth riots in France, and =
the ones taking place at the same time in Denmark?
The week of riots in poor neighbourhoods outside Paris, which has =
spread to 20 towns, has been well covered by the international media.
Not so for =C5rhus, Denmark.
"Nothing of it has penetrated to the English-language sections of =
Danish media," laments the Viking Observer.
The Observer took the trouble to translate into English the following =
from Danish Jyllands-Posten:"Rosenhoj Mall has several nights in a row =
been the scene of the worst riots in =C5rhus for years. "This area =
belongs to us," the youths proclaim. Sunday evening saw a new arson =
attack."
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<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-ALIGN: justify"> The week of =
riots in poor=20
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of the worst riots in =C5rhus for years.<I> </I>=93This area =
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Jane wrote:
Not only in France; riots are happening in Denmark, too. http://www.cana=
dafreepress.com/2005/cover110405.htm
"Is there a connection between the Moslem-led youth riots in France, and =
the ones taking place at the same time in Denmark?
The week of riots in poor neighbourhoods outside Paris, which has sprea=
d to 20 towns, has been well covered by the international media.
Not so for =C5rhus, Denmark.
"Nothing of it has penetrated to the English-language sections of Danis=
h media," laments the Viking Observer.
The Observer took the trouble to translate into English the following f=
rom Danish Jyllands-Posten:"Rosenhoj Mall has several nights in a row been =
the scene of the worst riots in =C5rhus for years. "This area belongs to u=
s," the youths proclaim. Sunday evening saw a new arson attack."
Jane
And *****, the following says it all!
"Canada Free Press founding editor Judi McLeod is an award-winning
journalist with 30 years experience in the media. A former Toronto Sun
and Kingston Whig Standard columnist, she has also appeared on
Newsmax.com, the Drudge Report, Foxnews.com, and World Net Daily. Judi
can be reached at: letters@canadafreepress.com. You can read your
Letters to the Editor here."
With a CV like that it doesn't surprise me that she wrote this rubbish.
The "viking observer" is not a news outlet it's a fuckin' blog site run
by some twat called Fjordman, where any ***** can write what they like.
This Fjordman idiot did the "translations" mentioned and all of this
idiots "blog's" have to do with this Muslim hatred that you, dimwanker,
douglas, pantyboy and others spew out here quite often.
If the "worst riots in =C5rhus" for many years were happening then it'd
be reported here in Sweden seeing as Danmark is only 20 minutes by
train from Malm=F6. =C5rhus has probably never had a fuckin' in all of
it's existence. Someone probably smashed a fuckin' bottle on the main
street!
Stupid bigoted *****!
WH
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"WH" <bollogs@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Jane wrote:
Not only in France; riots are happening in Denmark, too.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2005/cover110405.htm
"Is there a connection between the Moslem-led youth riots in France, and
the ones taking place at the same time in Denmark?
The week of riots in poor neighbourhoods outside Paris, which has spread
to 20 towns, has been well covered by the international media.
Not so for Århus, Denmark.
"Nothing of it has penetrated to the English-language sections of Danish
media," laments the Viking Observer.
The Observer took the trouble to translate into English the following
from Danish Jyllands-Posten:"Rosenhoj Mall has several nights in a row
been the scene of the worst riots in Århus for years. "This area belongs
to us," the youths proclaim. Sunday evening saw a new arson attack."
Jane
And *****, the following says it all!
"Canada Free Press founding editor Judi McLeod is an award-winning
journalist with 30 years experience in the media. A former Toronto Sun
and Kingston Whig Standard columnist, she has also appeared on
Newsmax.com, the Drudge Report, Foxnews.com, and World Net Daily. Judi
can be reached at: letters@canadafreepress.com. You can read your
Letters to the Editor here."
With a CV like that it doesn't surprise me that she wrote this rubbish.
The "viking observer" is not a news outlet it's a fuckin' blog site run
by some twat called Fjordman, where any ***** can write what they like.
This Fjordman idiot did the "translations" mentioned and all of this
idiots "blog's" have to do with this Muslim hatred that you, dimwanker,
douglas, pantyboy and others spew out here quite often.
If the "worst riots in Århus" for many years were happening then it'd
be reported here in Sweden seeing as Danmark is only 20 minutes by
train from Malmö. Århus has probably never had a fuckin' in all of
it's existence. Someone probably smashed a fuckin' bottle on the main
street!
Stupid bigoted *****!
That is not the only place I've read it...but go ahead, *****, fiddle
while Europe burns. I don't really give a *****.
Jane
WH
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The Tugboat Captain posted something about Denmark the other day, too.
Doesn't he live somewhere in Europe?
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07 Nov 2005 04:19:29 AM |
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"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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The Tugboat Captain posted something about Denmark the other day, too.
He posted teh same thing. If you read the Danish version, you can see it's a
gang of kids who chucked a few bottles at police who apparently arrested one
of their friends. THe newspaper that reported it recently got death threats
for publishing a cartoon of Mohammed, so they were trying as hard as they
coudl to portray that as the initiating event. the youths themselves cited
poverty, unempoloyment and police brutality.
Doesn't he live somewhere in Europe?
Hans live up in the woods of Småland. Think of him as a survivalist type
living mile from civilisation, reliable news of decent beer (poor fellow has
to drink the products of Swedish brewers - all of which taste as if someone
left an old coin at the bottom of the glass).
WH and myslef both live in Malmö which is the other side of the bridge from
Denmark, 15 minutes on the train from Copenhagen. Widespread rioting in a
Danish town would be massive, massive news. TO date, I have seen nothing
about it on either Swedish or Danish TV. YOu know when an aircraft crashes?
Well, for about two weeks afterwards, every time an aircraft gets a warning
light or bursts a tyre it's all over the news, even though it usually passes
without comment, right? Same thing here.
What amazes me is how peopel decide to focus on an essentially made-up
religious reason for these riots rather than the economic ones which are
quite clearly the initiating factors. Some people just can't help being
xenophonbes I suppose, eh Jane?
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"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message
news:dkn9nh$ll9$1@news.al.sw.ericsson.se...
"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:YZtbf.1382$EK.48151@news20.bellglobal.com...
The Tugboat Captain posted something about Denmark the other day, too.
He posted teh same thing. If you read the Danish version, you can see it's
a
gang of kids who chucked a few bottles at police who apparently arrested
one
of their friends. THe newspaper that reported it recently got death
threats
for publishing a cartoon of Mohammed, so they were trying as hard as they
coudl to portray that as the initiating event. the youths themselves cited
poverty, unempoloyment and police brutality.
Doesn't he live somewhere in Europe?
Hans live up in the woods of Småland. Think of him as a survivalist type
living mile from civilisation, reliable news of decent beer (poor fellow
has
to drink the products of Swedish brewers - all of which taste as if
someone
left an old coin at the bottom of the glass).
WH and myslef both live in Malmö which is the other side of the bridge
from
Denmark, 15 minutes on the train from Copenhagen. Widespread rioting in a
Danish town would be massive, massive news. TO date, I have seen nothing
about it on either Swedish or Danish TV. YOu know when an aircraft
crashes?
Well, for about two weeks afterwards, every time an aircraft gets a
warning
light or bursts a tyre it's all over the news, even though it usually
passes
without comment, right? Same thing here.
What amazes me is how peopel decide to focus on an essentially made-up
religious reason for these riots rather than the economic ones which are
quite clearly the initiating factors. Some people just can't help being
xenophonbes I suppose, eh Jane?
I didn't write it, just posted it.
As for the so-called excuses, my ancestors were poverty-stricken and my
Irish immigrants were considered scum of the earth back then (given the
rocky land, no chance for advancement, no political clout, etc) It took a
few generations, but most managed to pull themselves up by their bootstraps
with hard work...not rioting.
What is amusing is you guys have always let on that Europe is imminently
more civilized than the US and such disorder could never happen there! Only
weeks ago you were "tut-tutting" about Katrina. Now you have French
authorities letting thugs destroy everything in their path, with no thought
to the property owners or the tax payers.
One can certainly see how Hitler was able to sweep across Europe virtually
unopposed until Churchill stepped in.
Jane
Jane
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"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in
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"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message
news:dkn9nh$ll9$1@news.al.sw.ericsson.se...
"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:YZtbf.1382$EK.48151@news20.bellglobal.com...
The Tugboat Captain posted something about Denmark the other day,
too.
He posted teh same thing. If you read the Danish version, you can
see
it's a
gang of kids who chucked a few bottles at police who apparently
arrested one
of their friends. THe newspaper that reported it recently got
death
threats
for publishing a cartoon of Mohammed, so they were trying as hard
as
they coudl to portray that as the initiating event. the youths
themselves cited poverty, unempoloyment and police brutality.
Doesn't he live somewhere in Europe?
Hans live up in the woods of Småland. Think of him as a
survivalist
type living mile from civilisation, reliable news of decent beer
(poor fellow has
to drink the products of Swedish brewers - all of which taste as
if
someone
left an old coin at the bottom of the glass).
WH and myslef both live in Malmö which is the other side of the
bridge from
Denmark, 15 minutes on the train from Copenhagen. Widespread
rioting
in a Danish town would be massive, massive news. TO date, I have
seen
nothing about it on either Swedish or Danish TV. YOu know when an
aircraft crashes?
Well, for about two weeks afterwards, every time an aircraft gets
a
warning
light or bursts a tyre it's all over the news, even though it
usually
passes
without comment, right? Same thing here.
What amazes me is how peopel decide to focus on an essentially
made-up religious reason for these riots rather than the economic
ones which are quite clearly the initiating factors. Some people
just
can't help being xenophonbes I suppose, eh Jane?
I didn't write it, just posted it.
As for the so-called excuses, my ancestors were poverty-stricken
and
my Irish immigrants were considered scum of the earth back then
(given
the rocky land, no chance for advancement, no political clout, etc)
It took a few generations, but most managed to pull themselves up
by
their bootstraps with hard work...not rioting.
What is amusing is you guys have always let on that Europe is
imminently more civilized than the US and such disorder could never
happen there! Only weeks ago you were "tut-tutting" about Katrina.
Now you have French authorities letting thugs destroy everything in
their path, with no thought to the property owners or the tax
payers.
One can certainly see how Hitler was able to sweep across Europe
virtually unopposed until Churchill stepped in.
Jane
Jane
on ya Jane
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07 Nov 2005 07:23:53 AM |
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"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:goIbf.6456$1L3.193441@news20.bellglobal.com...
"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message
news:dkn9nh$ll9$1@news.al.sw.ericsson.se...
"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:YZtbf.1382$EK.48151@news20.bellglobal.com...
The Tugboat Captain posted something about Denmark the other day, too.
He posted teh same thing. If you read the Danish version, you can see
it's
a
gang of kids who chucked a few bottles at police who apparently arrested
one
of their friends. THe newspaper that reported it recently got death
threats
for publishing a cartoon of Mohammed, so they were trying as hard as
they
coudl to portray that as the initiating event. the youths themselves
cited
poverty, unempoloyment and police brutality.
Doesn't he live somewhere in Europe?
Hans live up in the woods of Småland. Think of him as a survivalist type
living mile from civilisation, reliable news of decent beer (poor fellow
has
to drink the products of Swedish brewers - all of which taste as if
someone
left an old coin at the bottom of the glass).
WH and myslef both live in Malmö which is the other side of the bridge
from
Denmark, 15 minutes on the train from Copenhagen. Widespread rioting in
a
Danish town would be massive, massive news. TO date, I have seen nothing
about it on either Swedish or Danish TV. YOu know when an aircraft
crashes?
Well, for about two weeks afterwards, every time an aircraft gets a
warning
light or bursts a tyre it's all over the news, even though it usually
passes
without comment, right? Same thing here.
What amazes me is how peopel decide to focus on an essentially made-up
religious reason for these riots rather than the economic ones which are
quite clearly the initiating factors. Some people just can't help being
xenophonbes I suppose, eh Jane?
I didn't write it, just posted it.
I'm not sure what "it" you're referring to...do you now accept that this
nonsense in Aarhus is basically a non-event or ar eyou still convinced is
the beginning of a Euopre wide intifada? (evein though leading Muslim
clerics have already issued a fatwa against the rioters)
As for the so-called excuses, my ancestors were poverty-stricken and my
Irish immigrants were considered scum of the earth back then (given the
rocky land, no chance for advancement, no political clout, etc)
...and their scum of the earth behaviour, no doubt.
It took a few generations, but most managed to pull themselves up by
their bootstraps
with hard work...not rioting.
Ah yes, "most". Well, unless you really are the gibbering bigot you appear
to be, I expect you'll accept MOST muslims do exactly the same. As do MOST
people generally.If, however, you are claiming that the poor Irish NEVER
rioted, didn't essentially control their own neighbourhoods, didn't form
gangs and go out looking for trouble etc etc you would be quite
spectacularly wrong, as usual. (Replace "Irish" with any other significant
immigrant group you wish).
What is amusing is you guys have always let on that Europe is imminently
more civilized than the US and such disorder could never happen there!
It is. compare LA after a few days of rioting - open warfare in the streets,
50 dead, National guard called in.. Riots happen everywhere, the mark of
civilisation is how you deal with them. How many deaths so far in France? Or
perhaps you only care about the financial damage, like a proper American?
Only weeks ago you were "tut-tutting" about Katrina.
You know the deal. produce a cite or withdraw th elie and apologise. What
was I tutting about?
Now you have French authorities letting thugs destroy everything in their
path, with no thought
to the property owners or the tax payers.
One can certainly see how Hitler was able to sweep across Europe virtually
unopposed until Churchill stepped in.
I see your grasp of History is as weak as your grasp of everything else you
post about... except possibly domestic Canadian politics.
Jane
Jane
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"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message
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"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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The Tugboat Captain posted something about Denmark the other day, too.
He posted teh same thing. If you read the Danish version, you can see
it's
a
gang of kids who chucked a few bottles at police who apparently
arrested
one
of their friends. THe newspaper that reported it recently got death
threats
for publishing a cartoon of Mohammed, so they were trying as hard as
they
coudl to portray that as the initiating event. the youths themselves
cited
poverty, unempoloyment and police brutality.
Doesn't he live somewhere in Europe?
Hans live up in the woods of Småland. Think of him as a survivalist
type
living mile from civilisation, reliable news of decent beer (poor
fellow
has
to drink the products of Swedish brewers - all of which taste as if
someone
left an old coin at the bottom of the glass).
WH and myslef both live in Malmö which is the other side of the bridge
from
Denmark, 15 minutes on the train from Copenhagen. Widespread rioting in
a
Danish town would be massive, massive news. TO date, I have seen
nothing
about it on either Swedish or Danish TV. YOu know when an aircraft
crashes?
Well, for about two weeks afterwards, every time an aircraft gets a
warning
light or bursts a tyre it's all over the news, even though it usually
passes
without comment, right? Same thing here.
What amazes me is how peopel decide to focus on an essentially made-up
religious reason for these riots rather than the economic ones which
are
quite clearly the initiating factors. Some people just can't help being
xenophonbes I suppose, eh Jane?
I didn't write it, just posted it.
I'm not sure what "it" you're referring to...do you now accept that this
nonsense in Aarhus is basically a non-event or ar eyou still convinced is
the beginning of a Euopre wide intifada? (evein though leading Muslim
clerics have already issued a fatwa against the rioters)
Don't know, time will tell.
As for the so-called excuses, my ancestors were poverty-stricken and my
Irish immigrants were considered scum of the earth back then (given the
rocky land, no chance for advancement, no political clout, etc)
..and their scum of the earth behaviour, no doubt.
Wrong. They were the wrong religion, is all.
It took a few generations, but most managed to pull themselves up by
their bootstraps
with hard work...not rioting.
Ah yes, "most". Well, unless you really are the gibbering bigot you appear
to be, I expect you'll accept MOST muslims do exactly the same.
I have yet to mention Muslims; again you make assumptions.
As do MOST
people generally.If, however, you are claiming that the poor Irish NEVER
rioted, didn't essentially control their own neighbourhoods, didn't form
gangs and go out looking for trouble etc etc you would be quite
spectacularly wrong, as usual. (Replace "Irish" with any other significant
immigrant group you wish).
I mentioned my own ancestors. They certainly didn't; they were all farmers.
No where did I say that "no poor immigrants ever rioted' or otherwise caused
trouble.
What is amusing is you guys have always let on that Europe is imminently
more civilized than the US and such disorder could never happen there!
It is. compare LA after a few days of rioting - open warfare in the
streets,
50 dead, National guard called in.. Riots happen everywhere, the mark of
civilisation is how you deal with them. How many deaths so far in France?
Or
perhaps you only care about the financial damage, like a proper American?
Were I the owner of the property damaged, I certainly would care! You
would, too.
Only weeks ago you were "tut-tutting" about Katrina.
You know the deal. produce a cite or withdraw th elie and apologise. What
was I tutting about?
Sorry, the "you" in this case was meant to be a generalization...meaning,
you Europeans.
Now you have French authorities letting thugs destroy everything in
their
path, with no thought
to the property owners or the tax payers.
One can certainly see how Hitler was able to sweep across Europe
virtually
unopposed until Churchill stepped in.
I see your grasp of History is as weak as your grasp of everything else
you
post about... except possibly domestic Canadian politics.
Well, the rest of Europe certainly did need the English, Canadians (we
actually had an impressive armed forces back then), Americans to liberate
them.
Jane
Jane
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| User: "tw" |
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07 Nov 2005 08:15:08 AM |
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"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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The Tugboat Captain posted something about Denmark the other day,
too.
He posted teh same thing. If you read the Danish version, you can see
it's
a
gang of kids who chucked a few bottles at police who apparently
arrested
one
of their friends. THe newspaper that reported it recently got death
threats
for publishing a cartoon of Mohammed, so they were trying as hard as
they
coudl to portray that as the initiating event. the youths themselves
cited
poverty, unempoloyment and police brutality.
Doesn't he live somewhere in Europe?
Hans live up in the woods of Småland. Think of him as a survivalist
type
living mile from civilisation, reliable news of decent beer (poor
fellow
has
to drink the products of Swedish brewers - all of which taste as if
someone
left an old coin at the bottom of the glass).
WH and myslef both live in Malmö which is the other side of the
bridge
from
Denmark, 15 minutes on the train from Copenhagen. Widespread rioting
in
a
Danish town would be massive, massive news. TO date, I have seen
nothing
about it on either Swedish or Danish TV. YOu know when an aircraft
crashes?
Well, for about two weeks afterwards, every time an aircraft gets a
warning
light or bursts a tyre it's all over the news, even though it usually
passes
without comment, right? Same thing here.
What amazes me is how peopel decide to focus on an essentially
made-up
religious reason for these riots rather than the economic ones which
are
quite clearly the initiating factors. Some people just can't help
being
xenophonbes I suppose, eh Jane?
I didn't write it, just posted it.
I'm not sure what "it" you're referring to...do you now accept that this
nonsense in Aarhus is basically a non-event or ar eyou still convinced
is
the beginning of a Euopre wide intifada? (evein though leading Muslim
clerics have already issued a fatwa against the rioters)
Don't know, time will tell.
Well, the fact it's not being reported anywhere else proves it, but never
mind.
As for the so-called excuses, my ancestors were poverty-stricken and my
Irish immigrants were considered scum of the earth back then (given the
rocky land, no chance for advancement, no political clout, etc)
..and their scum of the earth behaviour, no doubt.
Wrong. They were the wrong religion, is all.
Wow.. is Jane beginning to see the rinoy of her own words, I wonder?
It took a few generations, but most managed to pull themselves up by
their bootstraps
with hard work...not rioting.
Ah yes, "most". Well, unless you really are the gibbering bigot you
appear
to be, I expect you'll accept MOST muslims do exactly the same.
I have yet to mention Muslims; again you make assumptions.
Tell me Jane, how else am I supposed to interpret the following:
"It took a few generations, but most managed to pull themselves up by their
bootstraps with hard work...not rioting."
Of course, their Muslimness is irrelavant, as I wrote:
As do MOST people generally.
i.e. most people, whether Irish, Black, Indian, Muslim, Jew, Hindu, Welshj,
Pink, Purple etc work hard to better themselve.
If, however, you are claiming that the poor Irish NEVER
rioted, didn't essentially control their own neighbourhoods, didn't form
gangs and go out looking for trouble etc etc you would be quite
spectacularly wrong, as usual. (Replace "Irish" with any other
significant
immigrant group you wish).
I mentioned my own ancestors.
Oh, so in other words, what you said was basically irrelvant.
They certainly didn't; they were all farmers. No where did I say that "no
poor immigrants ever rioted' or otherwise caused
trouble.
So why bother to bring any of yer misty-eyed old country forefathers into it
at all then?!
What is amusing is you guys have always let on that Europe is
imminently
more civilized than the US and such disorder could never happen there!
It is. compare LA after a few days of rioting - open warfare in the
streets,
50 dead, National guard called in.. Riots happen everywhere, the mark of
civilisation is how you deal with them. How many deaths so far in
France?
Or
perhaps you only care about the financial damage, like a proper
American?
Were I the owner of the property damaged, I certainly would care! You
would, too.
I woudl be glad to know my prediction about your priorities was correct if
it didn't have such depressing implications.
Only weeks ago you were "tut-tutting" about Katrina.
You know the deal. produce a cite or withdraw th elie and apologise.
What
was I tutting about?
Sorry, the "you" in this case was meant to be a generalization...meaning,
you Europeans.
Fair enough. Though I expect you'll find most of the tutting came from your
fellow Americans, be they from the US or Canadia.
Now you have French authorities letting thugs destroy everything in
their
path, with no thought
to the property owners or the tax payers.
One can certainly see how Hitler was able to sweep across Europe
virtually
unopposed until Churchill stepped in.
I see your grasp of History is as weak as your grasp of everything else
you
post about... except possibly domestic Canadian politics.
Well, the rest of Europe certainly did need the English, Canadians (we
actually had an impressive armed forces back then), Americans to liberate
them.
Hitler was most certainly not "virtually unopposed". you do a great
disservice to an enormous amount of vastly braver people than you when you
make such idiotic statements
Jane
Jane
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07 Nov 2005 08:34:13 AM |
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"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message
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<snip>
WH and myslef both live in Malmö which is the other side of the
bridge
from
Denmark, 15 minutes on the train from Copenhagen.
Oh, and, BTW, I don't give a flying ***** about anything WH has to say. He
talks about hate; he has more hatred in him than anyone else here (except
Grantland).
Widespread rioting
in
a
Danish town would be massive, massive news. TO date, I have seen
nothing
about it on either Swedish or Danish TV. YOu know when an aircraft
crashes?
Well, for about two weeks afterwards, every time an aircraft gets a
warning
light or bursts a tyre it's all over the news, even though it
usually
passes
without comment, right? Same thing here.
What amazes me is how peopel decide to focus on an essentially
made-up
religious reason for these riots rather than the economic ones which
are
quite clearly the initiating factors. Some people just can't help
being
xenophonbes I suppose, eh Jane?
I didn't write it, just posted it.
I'm not sure what "it" you're referring to...do you now accept that
this
nonsense in Aarhus is basically a non-event or ar eyou still convinced
is
the beginning of a Euopre wide intifada? (evein though leading Muslim
clerics have already issued a fatwa against the rioters)
Don't know, time will tell.
Well, the fact it's not being reported anywhere else proves it, but never
mind.
Well, there have been some copy-cat incidents in Belgium and Germany...I
sincerely hope it doesn't spread.
As for the so-called excuses, my ancestors were poverty-stricken and
my
Irish immigrants were considered scum of the earth back then (given
the
rocky land, no chance for advancement, no political clout, etc)
..and their scum of the earth behaviour, no doubt.
Wrong. They were the wrong religion, is all.
Wow.. is Jane beginning to see the rinoy of her own words, I wonder?
What irony? Those who are put-upon, for whatever reason, have options
besides riot.
It took a few generations, but most managed to pull themselves up by
their bootstraps
with hard work...not rioting.
Ah yes, "most". Well, unless you really are the gibbering bigot you
appear
to be, I expect you'll accept MOST muslims do exactly the same.
I have yet to mention Muslims; again you make assumptions.
Tell me Jane, how else am I supposed to interpret the following:
"It took a few generations, but most managed to pull themselves up by
their
bootstraps with hard work...not rioting."
Where did I say "unlike Muslims" or anything to that effect?
Of course, their Muslimness is irrelavant, as I wrote:
As do MOST people generally.
i.e. most people, whether Irish, Black, Indian, Muslim, Jew, Hindu,
Welshj,
Pink, Purple etc work hard to better themselve.
Of course.
If, however, you are claiming that the poor Irish NEVER
rioted, didn't essentially control their own neighbourhoods, didn't
form
gangs and go out looking for trouble etc etc you would be quite
spectacularly wrong, as usual. (Replace "Irish" with any other
significant
immigrant group you wish).
I mentioned my own ancestors.
Oh, so in other words, what you said was basically irrelvant.
Nope, I gave a very specific example. You chose to generalize.
They certainly didn't; they were all farmers. No where did I say that
"no
poor immigrants ever rioted' or otherwise caused
trouble.
So why bother to bring any of yer misty-eyed old country forefathers into
it
at all then?!
I gave a very specific answer about working to get ahead, against the odds,
rather than rioting. Oprah is another good example.
What is amusing is you guys have always let on that Europe is
imminently
more civilized than the US and such disorder could never happen there!
It is. compare LA after a few days of rioting - open warfare in the
streets,
50 dead, National guard called in.. Riots happen everywhere, the mark
of
civilisation is how you deal with them. How many deaths so far in
France?
Or
perhaps you only care about the financial damage, like a proper
American?
Were I the owner of the property damaged, I certainly would care! You
would, too.
I woudl be glad to know my prediction about your priorities was correct if
it didn't have such depressing implications.
Of course I care about any innocents injured/killed, especially the baby hit
with a rock. I don't care if the rioters are injured, however.
Only weeks ago you were "tut-tutting" about Katrina.
You know the deal. produce a cite or withdraw th elie and apologise.
What
was I tutting about?
Sorry, the "you" in this case was meant to be a generalization...meaning,
you Europeans.
Fair enough. Though I expect you'll find most of the tutting came from
your
fellow Americans, be they from the US or Canadia.
Now you have French authorities letting thugs destroy everything in
their
path, with no thought
to the property owners or the tax payers.
One can certainly see how Hitler was able to sweep across Europe
virtually
unopposed until Churchill stepped in.
I see your grasp of History is as weak as your grasp of everything else
you
post about... except possibly domestic Canadian politics.
Well, the rest of Europe certainly did need the English, Canadians (we
actually had an impressive armed forces back then), Americans to liberate
them.
Hitler was most certainly not "virtually unopposed". you do a great
disservice to an enormous amount of vastly braver people than you when you
make such idiotic statements
Luckily for me, my bravery has never been tested. I meant no insult to
those who were brave...
Jane
Jane
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07 Nov 2005 08:51:10 AM |
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"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message
news:dknnhb$ts1$1@news.al.sw.ericsson.se...
<snip>
WH and myslef both live in Malmö which is the other side of the
bridge
from
Denmark, 15 minutes on the train from Copenhagen.
Oh, and, BTW, I don't give a flying ***** about anything WH has to say. He
talks about hate; he has more hatred in him than anyone else here (except
Grantland).
I disagree - Dreamwalker for example is far worse. Of course, what you feel
about WH makes aboslutely *****-all difference to the fact that all that
happened in Aarhus was that some lad put through the pizza shop window with
a brick.
Widespread rioting
in
a
Danish town would be massive, massive news. TO date, I have seen
nothing
about it on either Swedish or Danish TV. YOu know when an aircraft
crashes?
Well, for about two weeks afterwards, every time an aircraft gets
a
warning
light or bursts a tyre it's all over the news, even though it
usually
passes
without comment, right? Same thing here.
What amazes me is how peopel decide to focus on an essentially
made-up
religious reason for these riots rather than the economic ones
which
are
quite clearly the initiating factors. Some people just can't help
being
xenophonbes I suppose, eh Jane?
I didn't write it, just posted it.
I'm not sure what "it" you're referring to...do you now accept that
this
nonsense in Aarhus is basically a non-event or ar eyou still
convinced
is
the beginning of a Euopre wide intifada? (evein though leading Muslim
clerics have already issued a fatwa against the rioters)
Don't know, time will tell.
Well, the fact it's not being reported anywhere else proves it, but
never
mind.
Well, there have been some copy-cat incidents in Belgium and Germany
Oh really? Got any cites? As I said, when a plane crashes, for weeks
afterward you hear about every tiny little thing that goes wrong with every
flight.
...I sincerely hope it doesn't spread.
I'm unconvinced of your sincerity. Seems lik eyou are enjoying this a smuch
as Dimwanker
As for the so-called excuses, my ancestors were poverty-stricken and
my
Irish immigrants were considered scum of the earth back then (given
the
rocky land, no chance for advancement, no political clout, etc)
..and their scum of the earth behaviour, no doubt.
Wrong. They were the wrong religion, is all.
Wow.. is Jane beginning to see the rinoy of her own words, I wonder?
What irony? Those who are put-upon, for whatever reason, have options
besides riot.
Yet ALL of them have taken the riot option at some point, after being
stigmatised and discimrinated against for being the wrong "religion",
"colour" etc.
It took a few generations, but most managed to pull themselves up
by
their bootstraps
with hard work...not rioting.
Ah yes, "most". Well, unless you really are the gibbering bigot you
appear
to be, I expect you'll accept MOST muslims do exactly the same.
I have yet to mention Muslims; again you make assumptions.
Tell me Jane, how else am I supposed to interpret the following:
"It took a few generations, but most managed to pull themselves up by
their
bootstraps with hard work...not rioting."
Where did I say "unlike Muslims" or anything to that effect?
Tell me Jane, how else am I supposed to interpret the following:
"It took a few generations, but most managed to pull themselves up by their
bootstraps with hard work...not rioting."
The fact that you are reluctant to explain rather answers your question, I
think..
Of course, their Muslimness is irrelavant, as I wrote:
As do MOST people generally.
i.e. most people, whether Irish, Black, Indian, Muslim, Jew, Hindu,
Welshj,
Pink, Purple etc work hard to better themselve.
Of course.
So why bother mentioing your forebears like they were any better when they
clearly weren't?
If, however, you are claiming that the poor Irish NEVER
rioted, didn't essentially control their own neighbourhoods, didn't
form
gangs and go out looking for trouble etc etc you would be quite
spectacularly wrong, as usual. (Replace "Irish" with any other
significant
immigrant group you wish).
I mentioned my own ancestors.
Oh, so in other words, what you said was basically irrelvant.
Nope, I gave a very specific example. You chose to generalize.
Specifically your immediate ancestors, right. So why mention it at all?
They certainly didn't; they were all farmers. No where did I say that
"no
poor immigrants ever rioted' or otherwise caused
trouble.
So why bother to bring any of yer misty-eyed old country forefathers
into
it
at all then?!
I gave a very specific answer about working to get ahead, against the
odds,
rather than rioting. Oprah is another good example.
What..? So the Irish don't riot, just eh Blacks and the Muslims? Is that
your point?
What is amusing is you guys have always let on that Europe is
imminently
more civilized than the US and such disorder could never happen
there!
It is. compare LA after a few days of rioting - open warfare in the
streets,
50 dead, National guard called in.. Riots happen everywhere, the mark
of
civilisation is how you deal with them. How many deaths so far in
France?
Or
perhaps you only care about the financial damage, like a proper
American?
Were I the owner of the property damaged, I certainly would care! You
would, too.
I woudl be glad to know my prediction about your priorities was correct
if
it didn't have such depressing implications.
Of course I care about any innocents injured/killed, especially the baby
hit
with a rock. I don't care if the rioters are injured, however.
I see. Then you can obviously recognise the fact that France has handled
this in a vastly more civilised manner than e.g. the US handled the LA riots
(or even a natural disaster!)
Only weeks ago you were "tut-tutting" about Katrina.
You know the deal. produce a cite or withdraw th elie and apologise.
What
was I tutting about?
Sorry, the "you" in this case was meant to be a
generalization...meaning,
you Europeans.
Fair enough. Though I expect you'll find most of the tutting came from
your
fellow Americans, be they from the US or Canadia.
Now you have French authorities letting thugs destroy everything in
their
path, with no thought
to the property owners or the tax payers.
One can certainly see how Hitler was able to sweep across Europe
virtually
unopposed until Churchill stepped in.
I see your grasp of History is as weak as your grasp of everything
else
you
post about... except possibly domestic Canadian politics.
Well, the rest of Europe certainly did need the English, Canadians (we
actually had an impressive armed forces back then), Americans to
liberate
them.
Hitler was most certainly not "virtually unopposed". you do a great
disservice to an enormous amount of vastly braver people than you when
you
make such idiotic statements
Luckily for me, my bravery has never been tested.
Mine neither. I expect we would both do what we had to to defend our own
though.
I meant no insult to those who were brave...
Then kindly think twice before making cheap statements about Hitler being
unopposed...
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| Title: Re: News keeps coming.......and coming. |
07 Nov 2005 09:30:36 AM |
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"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message
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<snip>>>
Well, there have been some copy-cat incidents in Belgium and Germany
Oh really? Got any cites? As I said, when a plane crashes, for weeks
afterward you hear about every tiny little thing that goes wrong with
every
flight.
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/11/07/europe.fears.ap/index.html
Excerpt:
"Cars were torched outside Brussels' main train station and in a working
class district of Berlin, although officials in Belgium and Germany sought
to downplay the risk of violence on the level of France.
Still, officials acknowledged that poor integration and poverty posed
risks."
...I sincerely hope it doesn't spread.
I'm unconvinced of your sincerity. Seems lik eyou are enjoying this a
smuch
as Dimwanker
There is nothing to "enjoy" about it. I hope it will dispell some of the
smugness Europeans tend to display, however.
<snip>
I gave a very specific answer about working to get ahead, against the
odds,
rather than rioting. Oprah is another good example.
What..? So the Irish don't riot, just eh Blacks and the Muslims? Is that
your point?
Again, you love to put words in people's mouths! Oprah is another
exceptional example of someone who persevered when all odds were against her
(even her weight, with the way the media is here)...by working hard, not
rioting, not expecting everything to be handed to her without having to work
for it. And, of course, that can apply to any down-trodden people.
As I have reiterated, I don't care about skin colour. I don't like most
organized religions, but especially Islam, for their treatment of women. I
have nothing against individual Muslims who wish to live their lives
peacefully.
I do think fundementalist Islam is a threat. I would say the same about
fundementalist Christianity...but I can't think of a country that is run by
them (Do not say the US; it is run by a democratically-elected gov't under a
secular constitution). Islam does not believe in the separartion of church
and state and therein lies the danger.
What is amusing is you guys have always let on that Europe is
imminently
more civilized than the US and such disorder could never happen
there!
It is. compare LA after a few days of rioting - open warfare in the
streets,
50 dead, National guard called in.. Riots happen everywhere, the
mark
of
civilisation is how you deal with them. How many deaths so far in
France?
Or
perhaps you only care about the financial damage, like a proper
American?
Were I the owner of the property damaged, I certainly would care! You
would, too.
I woudl be glad to know my prediction about your priorities was correct
if
it didn't have such depressing implications.
Of course I care about any innocents injured/killed, especially the baby
hit
with a rock. I don't care if the rioters are injured, however.
I see. Then you can obviously recognise the fact that France has handled
this in a vastly more civilised manner than e.g. the US handled the LA
riots
(or even a natural disaster!)
Only weeks ago you were "tut-tutting" about Katrina.
You know the deal. produce a cite or withdraw th elie and apologise.
What
was I tutting about?
Sorry, the "you" in this case was meant to be a
generalization...meaning,
you Europeans.
Fair enough. Though I expect you'll find most of the tutting came from
your
fellow Americans, be they from the US or Canadia.
Now you have French authorities letting thugs destroy everything
in
their
path, with no thought
to the property owners or the tax payers.
One can certainly see how Hitler was able to sweep across Europe
virtually
unopposed until Churchill stepped in.
I see your grasp of History is as weak as your grasp of everything
else
you
post about... except possibly domestic Canadian politics.
Well, the rest of Europe certainly did need the English, Canadians (we
actually had an impressive armed forces back then), Americans to
liberate
them.
Hitler was most certainly not "virtually unopposed". you do a great
disservice to an enormous amount of vastly braver people than you when
you
make such idiotic statements
Luckily for me, my bravery has never been tested.
Mine neither. I expect we would both do what we had to to defend our own
though.
I meant no insult to those who were brave...
Then kindly think twice before making cheap statements about Hitler being
unopposed...
.
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| User: "tw" |
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| Title: Re: News keeps coming.......and coming. |
08 Nov 2005 03:07:01 AM |
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"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message
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<snip>>>
Well, there have been some copy-cat incidents in Belgium and Germany
Oh really? Got any cites? As I said, when a plane crashes, for weeks
afterward you hear about every tiny little thing that goes wrong with
every
flight.
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/11/07/europe.fears.ap/index.html
Excerpt:
"Cars were torched outside Brussels' main train station and in a working
class district of Berlin, although officials in Belgium and Germany sought
to downplay the risk of violence on the level of France.
Yep, as I said - evrytime there's a major plane crash, every incident with
an aircraft which wouldn't make the news otherwise is thrown inot the
spotlight. How often do you think a car gets torched in a "working class
district"? It was a daily occurence in the UK...
Still, officials acknowledged that poor integration and poverty posed
risks."
...I sincerely hope it doesn't spread.
I'm unconvinced of your sincerity. Seems lik eyou are enjoying this a
smuch
as Dimwanker
There is nothing to "enjoy" about it. I hope it will dispell some of the
smugness Europeans tend to display, however.
See? You're enjoying it.
<snip>
I gave a very specific answer about working to get ahead, against the
odds,
rather than rioting. Oprah is another good example.
What..? So the Irish don't riot, just eh Blacks and the Muslims? Is that
your point?
Again, you love to put words in people's mouths!
No, you merely like to write things then run away from them when challenged.
"As for the so-called excuses, my ancestors were poverty-stricken and my
Irish immigrants were considered scum of the earth back then (given the
rocky land, no chance for advancement, no political clout, etc) It took a
few generations, but most managed to pull themselves up by their bootstraps
with hard work...not rioting."
Oprah is another exceptional example of someone who persevered when all
odds were against her
(even her weight, with the way the media is here)...by working hard, not
rioting, not expecting everything to be handed to her without having to
work
for it. And, of course, that can apply to any down-trodden people.
Indeed, and YOU applied it, quite obviously as a comparison with the
Muslims. "Oh, my forefathers were poor, but THEY didn't riot". At least have
the honesty to admit what you said, even if you don't have the courage to
defend it.
As I have reiterated, I don't care about skin colour. I don't like most
organized religions, but especially Islam, for their treatment of women.
II
have nothing against individual Muslims who wish to live their lives
peacefully.
I do think fundementalist Islam is a threat. I would say the same about
fundementalist Christianity...but I can't think of a country that is run
by
them (Do not say the US; it is run by a democratically-elected gov't under
a
secular constitution). Islam does not believe in the separartion of
church
and state and therein lies the danger.
...and there goes the lady protesting too much again.
What is amusing is you guys have always let on that Europe is
imminently
more civilized than the US and such disorder could never happen
there!
It is. compare LA after a few days of rioting - open warfare in
the
streets,
50 dead, National guard called in.. Riots happen everywhere, the
mark
of
civilisation is how you deal with them. How many deaths so far in
France?
Or
perhaps you only care about the financial damage, like a proper
American?
Were I the owner of the property damaged, I certainly would care!
You
would, too.
I woudl be glad to know my prediction about your priorities was
correct
if
it didn't have such depressing implications.
Of course I care about any innocents injured/killed, especially the
baby
hit
with a rock. I don't care if the rioters are injured, however.
I see. Then you can obviously recognise the fact that France has handled
this in a vastly more civilised manner than e.g. the US handled the LA
riots
(or even a natural disaster!)
Only weeks ago you were "tut-tutting" about Katrina.
You know the deal. produce a cite or withdraw th elie and
apologise.
What
was I tutting about?
Sorry, the "you" in this case was meant to be a
generalization...meaning,
you Europeans.
Fair enough. Though I expect you'll find most of the tutting came
from
your
fellow Americans, be they from the US or Canadia.
Now you have French authorities letting thugs destroy everything
in
their
path, with no thought
to the property owners or the tax payers.
One can certainly see how Hitler was able to sweep across Europe
virtually
unopposed until Churchill stepped in.
I see your grasp of History is as weak as your grasp of everything
else
you
post about... except possibly domestic Canadian politics.
Well, the rest of Europe certainly did need the English, Canadians
(we
actually had an impressive armed forces back then), Americans to
liberate
them.
Hitler was most certainly not "virtually unopposed". you do a great
disservice to an enormous amount of vastly braver people than you
when
you
make such idiotic statements
Luckily for me, my bravery has never been tested.
Mine neither. I expect we would both do what we had to to defend our own
though.
I meant no insult to those who were brave...
Then kindly think twice before making cheap statements about Hitler
being
unopposed...
.
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| User: "Jane" |
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| Title: Re: News keeps coming.......and coming. |
08 Nov 2005 07:24:22 AM |
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"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message
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"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:yqKbf.6521$1L3.211769@news20.bellglobal.com...
"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message
news:dknpku$v50$1@news.al.sw.ericsson.se...
<snip>>>
Well, there have been some copy-cat incidents in Belgium and Germany
Oh really? Got any cites? As I said, when a plane crashes, for weeks
afterward you hear about every tiny little thing that goes wrong with
every
flight.
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/11/07/europe.fears.ap/index.html
Excerpt:
"Cars were torched outside Brussels' main train station and in a working
class district of Berlin, although officials in Belgium and Germany
sought
to downplay the risk of violence on the level of France.
Yep, as I said - evrytime there's a major plane crash, every incident with
an aircraft which wouldn't make the news otherwise is thrown inot the
spotlight. How often do you think a car gets torched in a "working class
district"? It was a daily occurence in the UK...
Glad I don't live there, then. We are far more civilized over here.
Still, officials acknowledged that poor integration and poverty posed
risks."
...I sincerely hope it doesn't spread.
I'm unconvinced of your sincerity. Seems lik eyou are enjoying this a
smuch
as Dimwanker
There is nothing to "enjoy" about it. I hope it will dispell some of the
smugness Europeans tend to display, however.
See? You're enjoying it.
No. It is a comeuppance for those who liked to say that they do not have
the social problems the US has.
After what happened in Canada last week at the Indian reserve, we cannot be
smug here, either.
<snip>
I gave a very specific answer about working to get ahead, against the
odds,
rather than rioting. Oprah is another good example.
What..? So the Irish don't riot, just eh Blacks and the Muslims? Is
that
your point?
Again, you love to put words in people's mouths!
No, you merely like to write things then run away from them when
challenged.
What have I run away from? I could have just as easily used Dolly Parton as
an example (or Shania...ugh!...Twain). I chose Oprah because I admire her
greatly, not because she is black.
"As for the so-called excuses, my ancestors were poverty-stricken and my
Irish immigrants were considered scum of the earth back then (given the
rocky land, no chance for advancement, no political clout, etc) It took a
few generations, but most managed to pull themselves up by their
bootstraps
with hard work...not rioting."
Oprah is another exceptional example of someone who persevered when all
odds were against her
(even her weight, with the way the media is here)...by working hard, not
rioting, not expecting everything to be handed to her without having to
work
for it. And, of course, that can apply to any down-trodden people.
Indeed, and YOU applied it, quite obviously as a comparison with the
Muslims. "Oh, my forefathers were poor, but THEY didn't riot". At least
have
the honesty to admit what you said, even if you don't have the courage to
defend it.
You're saying Muslims. I was talking about those who are rioting in France,
whomever they may be. My point was that poverty is not an excuse for such
behaviour and it's about time they went in and put a stop to it.
As I have reiterated, I don't care about skin colour. I don't like most
organized religions, but especially Islam, for their treatment of women.
II
have nothing against individual Muslims who wish to live their lives
peacefully.
I do think fundementalist Islam is a threat. I would say the same about
fundementalist Christianity...but I can't think of a country that is run
by
them (Do not say the US; it is run by a democratically-elected gov't
under
a
secular constitution). Islam does not believe in the separartion of
church
and state and therein lies the danger.
..and there goes the lady protesting too much again.
Protesting what? My views are consistant.
Jane
What is amusing is you guys have always let on that Europe is
imminently
more civilized than the US and such disorder could never happen
there!
It is. compare LA after a few days of rioting - open warfare in
the
streets,
50 dead, National guard called in.. Riots happen everywhere, the
mark
of
civilisation is how you deal with them. How many deaths so far in
France?
Or
perhaps you only care about the financial damage, like a proper
American?
Were I the owner of the property damaged, I certainly would care!
You
would, too.
I woudl be glad to know my prediction about your priorities was
correct
if
it didn't have such depressing implications.
Of course I care about any innocents injured/killed, especially the
baby
hit
with a rock. I don't care if the rioters are injured, however.
I see. Then you can obviously recognise the fact that France has
handled
this in a vastly more civilised manner than e.g. the US handled the LA
riots
(or even a natural disaster!)
Only weeks ago you were "tut-tutting" about Katrina.
You know the deal. produce a cite or withdraw th elie and
apologise.
What
was I tutting about?
Sorry, the "you" in this case was meant to be a
generalization...meaning,
you Europeans.
Fair enough. Though I expect you'll find most of the tutting came
from
your
fellow Americans, be they from the US or Canadia.
Now you have French authorities letting thugs destroy
everything
in
their
path, with no thought
to the property owners or the tax payers.
One can certainly see how Hitler was able to sweep across Europe
virtually
unopposed until Churchill stepped in.
I see your grasp of History is as weak as your grasp of
everything
else
you
post about... except possibly domestic Canadian politics.
Well, the rest of Europe certainly did need the English, Canadians
(we
actually had an impressive armed forces back then), Americans to
liberate
them.
Hitler was most certainly not "virtually unopposed". you do a great
disservice to an enormous amount of vastly braver people than you
when
you
make such idiotic statements
Luckily for me, my bravery has never been tested.
Mine neither. I expect we would both do what we had to to defend our
own
though.
I meant no insult to those who were brave...
Then kindly think twice before making cheap statements about Hitler
being
unopposed...
.
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| User: "tw" |
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| Title: Re: News keeps coming.......and coming. |
08 Nov 2005 07:41:05 AM |
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"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message
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"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message
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<snip>>>
Well, there have been some copy-cat incidents in Belgium and Germany
Oh really? Got any cites? As I said, when a plane crashes, for weeks
afterward you hear about every tiny little thing that goes wrong with
every
flight.
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/11/07/europe.fears.ap/index.html
Excerpt:
"Cars were torched outside Brussels' main train station and in a
working
class district of Berlin, although officials in Belgium and Germany
sought
to downplay the risk of violence on the level of France.
Yep, as I said - evrytime there's a major plane crash, every incident
with
an aircraft which wouldn't make the news otherwise is thrown inot the
spotlight. How often do you think a car gets torched in a "working class
district"? It was a daily occurence in the UK...
Glad I don't live there, then. We are far more civilized over here.
Canada has always struch me as an extremely civilised place (much like
Sweden, I imagine), I expect you're right.
Still, officials acknowledged that poor integration and poverty posed
risks."
...I sincerely hope it doesn't spread.
I'm unconvinced of your sincerity. Seems lik eyou are enjoying this a
smuch
as Dimwanker
There is nothing to "enjoy" about it. I hope it will dispell some of
the
smugness Europeans tend to display, however.
See? You're enjoying it.
No. It is a comeuppance for those who liked to say that they do not have
the social problems the US has.
See? You are enjoying that comeuppance. Of course, it's not AFFECTING the
people who may have said Euoper doesn't have the social problems the US has,
but try not to let that spoil your enjoyment.
After what happened in Canada last week at the Indian reserve, we cannot
be
smug here, either.
What happened there then?
<snip>
I gave a very specific answer about working to get ahead, against the
odds,
rather than rioting. Oprah is another good example.
What..? So the Irish don't riot, just eh Blacks and the Muslims? Is
that
your point?
Again, you love to put words in people's mouths!
No, you merely like to write things then run away from them when
challenged.
What have I run away from?
*sigh* Your original statement, when you compared the rioting youths to your
non-rioting (hah!) Irish forebears.
I could have just as easily used Dolly Parton as
an example (or Shania...ugh!...Twain). I chose Oprah because I admire her
greatly, not because she is black
"As for the so-called excuses, my ancestors were poverty-stricken and my
Irish immigrants were considered scum of the earth back then (given the
rocky land, no chance for advancement, no political clout, etc) It took
a
few generations, but most managed to pull themselves up by their
bootstraps
with hard work...not rioting."
Oprah is another exceptional example of someone who persevered when
all
odds were against her
(even her weight, with the way the media is here)...by working hard,
not
rioting, not expecting everything to be handed to her without having to
work
for it. And, of course, that can apply to any down-trodden people.
Indeed, and YOU applied it, quite obviously as a comparison with the
Muslims. "Oh, my forefathers were poor, but THEY didn't riot". At least
have
the honesty to admit what you said, even if you don't have the courage
to
defend it.
You're saying Muslims. I was talking about those who are rioting in
France,
whomever they may be. My point was that poverty is not an excuse for such
behaviour and it's about time they went in and put a stop to it.
Yet those illustrious immigrant forebears of yours (or at least their
fellows) behaved in much the same way when they'd had enough..
As I have reiterated, I don't care about skin colour. I don't like
most
organized religions, but especially Islam, for their treatment of
women.
II
have nothing against individual Muslims who wish to live their lives
peacefully.
I do think fundementalist Islam is a threat. I would say the same
about
fundementalist Christianity...but I can't think of a country that is
run
by
them (Do not say the US; it is run by a democratically-elected gov't
under
a
secular constitution). Islam does not believe in the separartion of
church
and state and therein lies the danger.
..and there goes the lady protesting too much again.
Protesting what? My views are consistant.
Jane
What is amusing is you guys have always let on that Europe is
imminently
more civilized than the US and such disorder could never
happen
there!
It is. compare LA after a few days of rioting - open warfare in
the
streets,
50 dead, National guard called in.. Riots happen everywhere,
the
mark
of
civilisation is how you deal with them. How many deaths so far
in
France?
Or
perhaps you only care about the financial damage, like a proper
American?
Were I the owner of the property damaged, I certainly would care!
You
would, too.
I woudl be glad to know my prediction about your priorities was
correct
if
it didn't have such depressing implications.
Of course I care about any innocents injured/killed, especially the
baby
hit
with a rock. I don't care if the rioters are injured, however.
I see. Then you can obviously recognise the fact that France has
handled
this in a vastly more civilised manner than e.g. the US handled the
LA
riots
(or even a natural disaster!)
Only weeks ago you were "tut-tutting" about Katrina.
You know the deal. produce a cite or withdraw th elie and
apologise.
What
was I tutting about?
Sorry, the "you" in this case was meant to be a
generalization...meaning,
you Europeans.
Fair enough. Though I expect you'll find most of the tutting came
from
your
fellow Americans, be they from the US or Canadia.
Now you have French authorities letting thugs destroy
everything
in
their
path, with no thought
to the property owners or the tax payers.
One can certainly see how Hitler was able to sweep across
Europe
virtually
unopposed until Churchill stepped in.
I see your grasp of History is as weak as your grasp of
everything
else
you
post about... except possibly domestic Canadian politics.
Well, the rest of Europe certainly did need the English,
Canadians
(we
actually had an impressive armed forces back then), Americans to
liberate
them.
Hitler was most certainly not "virtually unopposed". you do a
great
disservice to an enormous amount of vastly braver people than you
when
you
make such idiotic statements
Luckily for me, my bravery has never been tested.
Mine neither. I expect we would both do what we had to to defend our
own
though.
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