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| User: "Barbarossa" |
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| Title: Re: one for CO |
19 Feb 2005 05:20:51 PM |
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<Zak@home.com> schreef in bericht
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http://www.rense.com/general63/ffol.htm
Well, I saw the pictures at that site. I am familiar with meteorology and I
can
say that in winter the process in the sky there is not unusual. It also
happens
in Europe. And it has happened for at least about 30 years. That is the time
I spent having meteorology as a hobby.
Usually when you have had a cold night and the sun rises and climbs the sun
is heating midair. This air on midair can be humid. When the air is heated
by
the sun it starts to move up all the way to the border of the troposphere.
Depending on the airpressure and temperature in the upper troposphere this
moist warmer air turns cold and the moist freezes and turn into Cirrus
clouds
These are the clouds you see at the end of the series of pictures. Depending
on the intensity of humidity in the early morning these Cirrus clouds can
even
turn into a form of Cirrostratus clouds.
When humid air on the ground is heated this air moves up and forms Cumulus
clouds, then Cumulus Congestus, then Cumulonimbus and thunderstorms. These
clouds can be seen as giant colyflowers in the air. When humid air at medium
height is heated this air moves up and forms Cirrus clouds, then
Cirrostratus.
In other words, the pictures on that page show nothing scary or frightening
to me. The airplane looks like a normal airliner in the upper troposphere.
It's fuel causes a little clouding, but the Cirrus- and Cirrostratus have
nothing
to do with the airplane.
This story of Rense.com is pure speculation.
Kind Regards,
Barbarossa
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| User: "tw" |
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| Title: Re: one for CO |
21 Feb 2005 03:41:41 AM |
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"Barbarossa" <fa073505@skynet.be> wrote in message
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<Zak@home.com> schreef in bericht
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http://www.rense.com/general63/ffol.htm
<snip>
In other words, the pictures on that page show nothing scary or
frightening
to me. The airplane looks like a normal airliner in the upper troposphere.
Absolutely.
It's fuel causes a little clouding, but the Cirrus- and Cirrostratus have
nothing
to do with the airplane.
Not *completely* accurate - as I have been trying to point out to zak for
some time, contrials CAN propogate alto stratus/cirrus formation if the
upper atmosphere isn't *quite* hunid enough to form them on its own.
This story of Rense.com is pure speculation.
Luddite, ignorant idiocy, more like!
Kind Regards,
Barbarossa
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| User: "Barbarossa" |
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| Title: Re: one for CO |
22 Feb 2005 10:11:07 PM |
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"tw" <no@no.com> schreef in bericht
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"Barbarossa" <fa073505@skynet.be> wrote in message
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<Zak@home.com> schreef in bericht
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http://www.rense.com/general63/ffol.htm
<snip>
In other words, the pictures on that page show nothing scary or
frightening
to me. The airplane looks like a normal airliner in the upper
troposphere.
Absolutely.
It's fuel causes a little clouding, but the Cirrus- and Cirrostratus
have
nothing
to do with the airplane.
Not *completely* accurate - as I have been trying to point out to zak for
some time, contrials CAN propogate alto stratus/cirrus formation if the
upper atmosphere isn't *quite* hunid enough to form them on its own.
Yes, they CAN, but the pictures on Rense.com do not give evidence that
the planes were the cause of the Cirrus- and Cirrostratus clouds. It is said
that front would pass the next day or the day after. Certainly Cirrusclouds
and Cirrostratus clouds will then pass.
Altostratus clouds are clouds at midair. They are at about 4 to 6 Km high.
They are never produced by contrails of airplanes. Cirrus- and Cirrostratus
clouds can be formed by airplanes, but they are in the range of 8 to 10 Km
high. I believe 10 Km. In the tropics they can get as high as 12 Km.
Normal Stratusclouds (or Nimbostratus when it rains) are between 500 m
and 3 Km high. Altostratus means "higher stratus", but not that high. They
are indeed between 4 and 6 Km. Above that they are called Cirrostratus.
Kind Regards,
Barbarossa
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| User: "tw" |
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| Title: Re: one for CO |
23 Feb 2005 02:27:02 AM |
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"Barbarossa" <fa073505@skynet.be> wrote in message
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"tw" <no@no.com> schreef in bericht
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"Barbarossa" <fa073505@skynet.be> wrote in message
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<Zak@home.com> schreef in bericht
news:7c3611dmuc98cb358oj5k1agdbeoq9ggeg@4ax.com...
http://www.rense.com/general63/ffol.htm
<snip>
In other words, the pictures on that page show nothing scary or
frightening
to me. The airplane looks like a normal airliner in the upper
troposphere.
Absolutely.
It's fuel causes a little clouding, but the Cirrus- and Cirrostratus
have
nothing
to do with the airplane.
Not *completely* accurate - as I have been trying to point out to zak
for
some time, contrials CAN propogate alto stratus/cirrus formation if the
upper atmosphere isn't *quite* hunid enough to form them on its own.
Yes, they CAN, but the pictures on Rense.com do not give evidence that
the planes were the cause of the Cirrus- and Cirrostratus clouds. It is
said
that front would pass the next day or the day after. Certainly
Cirrusclouds
and Cirrostratus clouds will then pass.
What amused me was that just before a front comes over, the air higher up is
warmer and mroe moist which gives excellent conditions for contrail
formation.
Altostratus clouds are clouds at midair. They are at about 4 to 6 Km high.
You are right, I meant cirrostratus of course. Got cinfused with the musical
deinition of "alto" and thought they must be higher up..
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| User: "The CO" |
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| Title: Re: one for CO |
21 Feb 2005 05:02:38 AM |
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"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message
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"Barbarossa" <fa073505@skynet.be> wrote in message
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In other words, the pictures on that page show nothing scary or
frightening
to me. The airplane looks like a normal airliner in the upper
troposphere.
Absolutely.
Concur
It's fuel causes a little clouding, but the Cirrus- and Cirrostratus
have
nothing to do with the airplane.
Not *completely* accurate - as I have been trying to point out to zak for
some time, contrials CAN propogate alto stratus/cirrus formation if the
upper atmosphere isn't *quite* hunid enough to form them on its own.
Needs a fair bit of traffic to do so, never seen that happen myself, but
then
our air traffic density is a small fraction of Europe or the US so that's
not a
big surprise
This story of Rense.com is pure speculation.
Luddite, ignorant idiocy, more like!
No, the Luddites actually believed they were right, the people behind the
'chemtrail' BS are trying to make a buck selling ***** books and the like
They *know* it's ***** but they spout it anyway, that puts them in the
same
category as snake-oil salesmen and other con men and crooks.
It's all about making money at the expense of the gullible, nothing more.
The Luddites were just ignorant and uneducated.
Consider how smart a person is, even for that era, that will follow the
actions of a mental
defective (Ned Ludd was indeed just that - probably a high function Downs
Syndrome or Autistic.) and pronounce his actions as inspired...
The CO
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| User: "tw" |
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| Title: Re: one for CO |
16 Feb 2005 09:44:51 AM |
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<Zak@home.com> wrote in message
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From the text "Spraying occurs a day before any front comes through. If the
spraying is being done to preclude global warming, then why spray before a
storm? "
Of course, just before a front comes over is when the upper atmospher is
more humid (warm fronts start high up and slope down) so contrails are
obviously far more likely to precipitate alto stratus.
***** me, you people are STOOOOOPID
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| User: "Michael Johnathan McDonald" |
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| Title: Re: one for CO |
16 Feb 2005 12:38:56 PM |
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tw wrote:
<Zak@home.com> wrote in message
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http://www.rense.com/general63/ffol.htm
I seen these planes in the southland idiot.
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/imgdb/img/1059-img.jpg
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/imgdb/img/1005-img.jpg
Care to explain why they make symmetrical patterns across the sky? Do
they do this to waste the money of the tax payers?
PIOLET:
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/imgdb/img/567-img.jpg
Caption:
by Alcon
??, USA 11/24/2000
Crusing at 20,000 ft. Captain Alcon points out Chemtrails above from
the cockpit of one of the major airline carriers. Alcon has been a
pilot for decades in both military and commercial aircraft and says he
knows the difference between a contrail and a Chemtrail.
Here is more:
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/imgdb/img/982-img.jpg
BTW: I like the starts and stops - I didn't know jet plane pilots love
to stall and restart there Jets as they fly around? Care to explain
moron?
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/imgdb/img/330-img.jpg
From the text "Spraying occurs a day before any front comes through.
If the
spraying is being done to preclude global warming, then why spray
before a
storm? "
I say it is military practice to see how wind currents can eventually
carry deadly chemicals over a battlefield in a war - if it was ever
deemed usable. This is not a far fetched idea. However, the CTs have
been observed in majority of democratic countries across the world ( At
least that is what is stated).
Of course, just before a front comes over is when the upper
atmospher is
more humid (warm fronts start high up and slope down) so contrails
are
obviously far more likely to precipitate alto stratus.
I've seen planes side by side in hot ( Non-humid) weather. One trail
expanded leaving the entire sky dark, while the previous one that flew
right beside it had its vapors disappear within a minuet.
Can you explain that or are you just making assumptions?
No I do not believe every plane has this phenomena . However, Christmas
1999 over Southern California, the skies went almost black after plane
& plane sprayed the southland in streaks, that used the wind currents
to blanket the southland in darkness.
***** me,
You keep asking and we keep saying NO!
Chemtrails ( From site)
For several years the existence of an unusual type of aerial activity
has been reported, generally termed Chemtrails. Chemtrails are
purported to differ from typical contrails in their high degree of
persistence and subsequent spreading, as if a substance had been
released. The purpose, effects and existence of these so-called
Chemtrails are widely debated, however essentially there is a claim
made by many that they are witnessing something out of the ordinary,
beyond an ordinary contrail. Chemtrails are also said to sometimes
differ in their configuration from contrails, as they are supposedly
not about getting from point A to point B, but, rather, dispersing some
type of substance.
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/report.shtml
you people are STOOOOOPID
The guy got the wrong website:
Start explaining please.
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/phenom.shtml
Chemring and Chembow
When significant spraying has occurred in an area an aerosol haze can
be produced. This haze is made of frozen crystals (or tiny droplets
according to some) of the sprayed material and can appear like smog.
But, unlike smog and more akin to ice crystals, these chemical crystals
can bend the light to create optical manifestations almost identical to
Sunrings and Sundogs. These rings have slightly less of the bright
rainbow colors than ice-based rings, and sometimes have a brownish
"oily" appearance.
These photographs demonstrate Chemrings and Chembows. It must be
remembered that the conditions that are favorable to ice Sunrings are
the similar to the conditions for normal Contrails, so just because a
picture has both doesn't mark it as chemical based. However, for these
two photos, the photographers have observed what they consider to be
organized spraying. Click for larger picture and more information.
Comment: Yes, I agree it is not all the planes. But it has occurred
many times. Maybe not your country because you do not have enough money
to do these projects - but it happens allot in Democratic countries.
2130 Images of bizzar ***** by planes:
FOR MORE:
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/imgdb/
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| User: "tw" |
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| Title: Re: one for CO |
17 Feb 2005 02:09:50 AM |
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"Michael Johnathan McDonald" <abookoflife@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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tw wrote:
<Zak@home.com> wrote in message
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http://www.rense.com/general63/ffol.htm
I seen these planes in the southland idiot.
How surprising that you believe this idiocy too..
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/imgdb/img/1059-img.jpg
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/imgdb/img/1005-img.jpg
Care to explain why they make symmetrical patterns across the sky?
Abso-to-lutely. You see, air traffic control doesn't like having millions of
planes buzzing around at 20,00 ft making their own sweet way to their
destinations. So there are airways in the sky (think of them as invisible
motorways). There are lots of radio navigational aids spread around the
world as well, vey often at intersectios of these airways. (nice picture
down the page here: http://www.avweb.com/fe/review.html)
Do they do this to waste the money of the tax payers?
In short, they "make symmetrical patterns across the sky" for much the same
reasons as roads/traffic makes symmetrical patterns across the ground.
PIOLET:
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/imgdb/img/567-img.jpg
Caption:
by Alcon
??, USA 11/24/2000
Crusing at 20,000 ft. Captain Alcon points out Chemtrails above from
the cockpit of one of the major airline carriers. Alcon has been a
pilot for decades in both military and commercial aircraft and says he
knows the difference between a contrail and a Chemtrail.
Here is more:
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/imgdb/img/982-img.jpg
BTW: I like the starts and stops - I didn't know jet plane pilots love
to stall and restart there Jets as they fly around? Care to explain
moron?
Absolutely, but I fear the subject of upper atmosphere humidity and vapour
propogation is somewhat over your head. the short version is - the
atmsophere is not uniform.
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/imgdb/img/330-img.jpg
From the text "Spraying occurs a day before any front comes through.
If the
spraying is being done to preclude global warming, then why spray
before a
storm? "
I say it is military practice to see how wind currents can eventually
carry deadly chemicals over a battlefield in a war -
Yes, but you're a fucking idiot aren't you? Why on earth wuold peoepl spray
"deadly chemicals" up at 20,000 feet? It woudl be impossibel to predict who
they would effect!
if it was ever deemed usable. This is not a far fetched idea.
Yes it is. Note the methods for delivering chem agents has remained
unchangeed since they were invented.
However, the CTs have
been observed in majority of democratic countries across the world ( At
least that is what is stated).
The have been observed in a majority of countries with air traffic, you
*****-gargling fool.
Of course, just before a front comes over is when the upper
atmospher is
more humid (warm fronts start high up and slope down) so contrails
are
obviously far more likely to precipitate alto stratus.
I've seen planes side by side in hot ( Non-humid) weather.
Just because it is "hot (non humid)" on the ground doesn't mean it will be
the same at 20,000 feet you know...
One trail expanded leaving the entire sky dark, while the previous one
that flew
right beside it had its vapors disappear within a minuet.
Can you explain that or are you just making assumptions?
Well, I will assume they were at different heights, because no controller
would ever let two civilian aircraft fly next to each other on the same FL
No I do not believe every plane has this phenomena . However, Christmas
1999 over Southern California, the skies went almost black after plane
& plane sprayed the southland in streaks, that used the wind currents
to blanket the southland in darkness.
Now who's assuming? Alto stratus and cirrus formation from contrails is a
well known phenomenon
http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=14104
<snip remaining paranoid, luddite,
refusal-to-understamd-opr-accept-basic-science idiocy>
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| User: "tw" |
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| Title: Re: one for CO |
16 Feb 2005 09:42:04 AM |
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<Zak@home.com> wrote in message
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It's the same fucking ***** that' s been debunked over and over again
you fucking single-celled simpleton. Nice pictures of contrails
precipitating alto -stratus - something YOU said they were incapable of
doing, you dumb kook. The text seems to be written by someone with slighly
greater intelligence, and perhaps even greater mental problems than you.
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