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"Margi Clarke" |
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24 Sep 2004 07:03:50 PM |
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ORDER OF DEMOLAY [Masonic] & Bill Clinton's rise to power.... |
Even Bill Clinton is one of them ... a member of a secret Order or
Organization. Oy vey.
He was in the boys and late teens Freemasons in Arkansas [THE ORDER OF
DEMOLAY], which booted him up into the Rhodes scholarship program each
incremental step in the tough competition [only 32 winners
nationally--The Arkansas Committee for the Rhodes Scholoarship at the
time was run by Bill Nash, an active Mason and senior partner at Rose
Law firm -- later they had Clinton appointed Attorney General of
Arkansas -- the CEO of Vulcan Steel of Alabama was on the selection
committee also] and, Bill and Hillary's Rose Law firm in Arkansas,
is/was crawling with Democrat [and Rebublican] Masons.
He admits it in his new book, MY LIFE. Bill states that he thoroughly
enjoyed the camaraderie of the Freemasons the long while he was with
them and that he absolutely relished the experience of memorizing all
the parts of the secret rituals, moving up the offices to become
Master Counselor of his chapter.
How can we save ourselves? So many Yalies and secret orders allied
with them or against them ...
Kerry/Clinton=Yale
Bush is Yale
Skull & Bones -- landmark of Yale
We are locked in like a door held by an endless chain of Yale locks.
And this is just one of hundreds of lock chains that have us chained
like slaves in the catacombs under Rome and Paris and in the pyramids
of ancient Egypt and in the mountain peaks of Tibet.
Ain't nothing gonna change in Iraq or JOB OUTSOURCING even if Kerry
wins. The "chain" will never allow it.
We certainly do need Paul Wellstone [now they are saying his plane
crash was an assasination and not an accidental death on a very clear day, with
excellent weather conditions]
==========
Five or six Disinformation Agents on the Internet are the following,
although they are not very clever, very poorly trained, not even potty
trained, and a third grader in Moldavia can write better posts in
English than the lot of them:
They have little to say which is why they spend all their time
masturbating each other like chimps on the sacred scrolls of usenet, a
heresy, because nobody else is interested in them except the other
lackeys working for chimp nuts!
Do a search on all of these nerds e.g. Vanilla Gorilla, Carl
Osterwald, Bookman, Dr. Postman, Ugly Bob, et al [they can't be out of
their twenties or out from under their momma's allowance, or if they
are already, they need serious psyche ward therapy for their horribly
scarred cranial disabilities] ... and try to find one or two
worthwhile compositions by one of them just one time, and you won't.
=================
golan_cipel@yahoo.com (Golan Cipel) wrote in message
news:<78df03b6.0409231546.63a2e70e@posting.google.com...
According to New York Times reporter Douglas Jehl, the NATIONAL
GEOSPATIAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY [NGIA], is more powerful than the CIA.
So anyone putting their fingers into NASA is at the heart and soul of
our satellite systems, military, governmental, et al. Our US Commerce
Dept has a fleet of satellites, the USDA has satellites too ... so it
is quite clear that Technion is in way too deep with just the little
bit of information you have provided us.
The Defense Intelligence Agency [DIA], is only a subset of the
Geospatial Intelligence Agency. And some of you out there know how
powerful the DIA is.
Even the coy Library of Congress has 135 intelligence analysts, and
the US State Department and the Dept. of Energy have countless spy
agencies and intelligence agencies.
This week, only Hillary Clinton, Christopher Dodd, and 2 others stood
up against the neo-con Republican nominee to be new CIA director,
Porter Goss.
He has suckled his whole career on the Israeli matrix, like a baby kid
goat.
It looks like we are stuck with Technicon and Israel, and that Uncle
Sam needs to start wearing the Star of David.
(Argon Always Betters Ammonia) wrote in message
news:<40d73839.0409221744.6e6f19b8@posting.google.com...
TECHNION--NASA
Do we still own NASA or does Israel hold the keys?
Israeli technology enables images beamed from Mars
http://www.ourjerusalem.com/news/story/news20040119.html
The Technion Research by three scientists from the Haifa Technion made
the transmission of video pictures from Mars by the NASA explorer
"Spirit" possible, according to HP (Hewlett Packard) Labs, which was
responsible for the image transmissions.
The ability to transmit the images was feasible thanks to a unique
algorithm developed by Technion graduates living in the US as ....
One very useful compilation of data is from the Technion, see
A. Burcat and B. McBride, "1997 Ideal Gas Thermodynamic Data for
Combustion and Air-Pollution Use", Technion Israel Institute of
Technology, Aerospace Engineering Report, TAE 804, 1997.
The latest version of this database is available by anonymous ftp from
ftp://ftp.technion.ac.il/pub/supported/aetdd/thermodynamics. There is
a web-based mirror in Europe and a version of these files from August
12, 2001 is available here.
The NASA Glenn (formerly Lewis) Research Center is also very active in
this area. Two versions of the NASA database, an old format (360 kB)
and a new format (1.05 MB) were provided by Bonnie McBride of NASA
Lewis.
To find out more about NASA polynomials you can consult the report by
TECHNION-ISRAEL-NASA .... the beat goes on
Alex Burcat 'Thermochemical Data for Combustion Calculations', Chapter
8 of Combustion Chemistry, W.C. Gardiner, Ed, Springer-Verlag, New
York, 1984; '1994 Ideal Gas Thermodynamic Data for Combustion and Air-
Pollution Use', Technion Report TAE 697, December 1993, by A. Burcat
and B. McBride; or 'Coefficients for Calculating Thermodynamic and
Transport Properties of Individual Species', NASA Report TM-4513, by
B.J. McBride, S. Gordon and M.A. Reno, October 1993. Alex can be
contacted by Internet at
TECHNION-ISRAEL-NASA .... the beat goes on
THE CORE OF THE EARTH IS AMORPHOUS SOLID WATER
WITH PROPERTIES WE HAVE YET TO FATHOM
DAVID P. STERN, TECHNION ISRAEL, NASA
Born in Czechoslovakia, grew up in Israel; studied physics at the
Hebrew University in Jerusalem and at the Israel Institute of
Technology
(Technion) in Haifa,
with doctoral thesis on an underground experiment on cosmic rays. In
1959 joined Fred Singer's space group at the University of Maryland,
then in 1961 came to Goddard Space Flight Center.
zardoz_uber_alles@yahoo.com (ZARDOZ) wrote in message
news:<b195d5b8.0409210812.543e56e7@posting.google.com...
Excellently stated. thanx.
NASA
The one surviving photon of the Genesis solar ray collector plateletes
got away!
Now there is nothing remaining in the Smithsonian from the Genesis
project.
Technion of Israel, however, has kindly offered to replace the one
survivor photon at the special cut rate cost, to US taxpayers, of $800
billion dollars.
(Revolt of the Igigi) wrote in message
news:<d7a08cf0.0409191048.5a4f24fa@posting.google.com...
They saved only ONE photon from Genesis crash site hexagonal silicon
plates.
It is now enshrined at the Smithsonian, with a photo of it on the wall
at Technion Israel Institute, the "controller" of NASA.
***
The entire U.S. media is a putain *****.
Scott Taylor, the Hemmingway-esqe investigative reporter of Canada,
was taken hostage and likely to be beheaded. He is against the war
and Zionism in Israel.
None of the US media covered his release, nor said a peep about it.
The CIA did not bother to debrief him.
go to --- http://www.antiwar.com/deliso/?articleid=3606
(Vaj Ina Valley) wrote in message
news:<49566ad4.0409161414.53eb9402@posting.google.com...
There is yet another hurricane brewing in the Atlantic following in
the heels of Ivan. Global warming, reversal of the magnetic poles,
ice cap melt downs, and HAARP. What's next?
chelsea_57@hotmail.com (Chelsea Rumsfeld) wrote in message
news:<c0639235.0409111246.1deceb54@posting.google.com...
The GENESIS solar probe that crashed into the Utah desert due to an
apparent parachute malfunction was no accident.
The data measuring the components of the solar wind, collected on the
55 hexagonal coaster sized plates made of silicon, was meant to be
suppressed.
Our current concepts of the make-up of the plasma of the sun are
treacherously false -- and lots of modern day physics is reliant on
this lie. Gamma radiation is the anti-thesis of the universe, not the
essence.
The 55 plates would have refuted the current misconceptions that now
rule our academies.
They had to be sabotaged.
-------------------------------
HOW HAARP WAVES WILL DAMAGE BILLIONS OF PEOPLE:
[much like the results reported below]Vlad the Impaler Putin
{"Putain" in French, trnsl. "*****", ... e.g.
PUTIN is running one third of the world in a bogus sense of fear,
exploiting the oppressed to make them the victim and grabbing a
dictatorial hold on the former USSR ... GW Bush has already done the
same in the U.S. ... whether GW had a lot to do with the World Trade
Center disaster or not [Skull and Bones], he still exploited the
situation to concentrate absolute power ... Putin has long been
degrading Russian democracy into an autocracy ... and he did not have
to storm the Ossetian school and forbid Russian TV from covering the
"rescue" ... if the western democracies of the EU do not get together
and learn from the defeated left wing of union politics and outraged
labor in the US, and mobilize now and do something drastic to
forestall Putin, GW, and the growing menace of oppression in China,
we are all in a situation much worse than the emergence of Hitler and
the world war.
Putin must be Illuminati, and Skull & Bones is a subchapter of the
Illuminati.
I doubt John Kerry will be a messiah, ... not even an errand boy for
humanity. He will be a softer version of the Illuminati program.
HAARP HAARP HAARP HAARP
---------------
"The US will claim, as usual, "What, who me? HAARP hasn't been in
operation since October '99." But you can listen for yourself
on any short-wave receiver by tuning to 3.390 MHz. Good Listening."
THE TRUE ORIGIN OF THE RITUAL OF CIRCUMCISION
......article refers to a Russian scientist, Ernst Muldashev, who tried
to find the legendary Shambala, and find an answer. Muldashev first
started his research when he was still in college, from time to time
he met people who talked about Shambala, and it intrigued him.
Shambala is a place where all genome of the humankind, and previous
civilizations, kept. This place is very remote, hard to find and is
protected by mysterious forces. Entrance to this place is in a cave,
and there are a lot of those caves all over the world. Only people
with clear mind and clean soul can come in, and only after they had
special meditation. Muldashev found one of the caves. It was hard and
long process, but he was lucky to meet with some Indian scientists,
who told him where he may find more about Shambala.
Muldashev was lead to a small and remote village in Tibetian
mountains, where he met with two special people who could come in this
Somati-Cave. They were the only ones who were allowed to do so. They
told him that you can only come in after long meditation, and you must
have a clean soul. Entrance for all other people will be impossible,
or deadly. He was allowed to visit this cave because they believed
that Muldashev was one of the guards of Somati-Cave in Russia. There
are many caves like this one all over the world, and each of them is
guarded.
This cave was several kilometers away from the village, and was
surrounded by rocks and mountains. Cave looks normal, nothing unusual,
but when you go inside, the entrance is blocked by metal door. One of
the special people opened a door for him, and Muldashev went in. He
said that it was cold and dark inside, but there was no fear, after he
walked about 30 meters he started to feel growing headache and feeling
of worry.
He says that it felt like the soul wanted to jump out, and get out.
He said that headache and feel of worry was not his own, it felt like
something was making him feel sick.
Muldashev and group of scientists tried to understand the beginning of
humankind, and tried to locate where it all began. They analyzed eyes
of all races on Earth, and came to a conclusion that our ancestors
came from Tibet. Also they tried to find more information on previous
civilization, Atlantis. After searching, asking all historians, and
scientists in this field, and going through all ancient records.
CIRCUMCISION
They found out what Atlanteans looked like. Muldashev: "Atlanteans had
telepathic organ third eye, their nose and mouth were sort of
connected not sticking out like ours, their rib cage was a lot bigger,
and other differences". He says that when they showed this picture to
one of those special people, he was amazed and asked if they were in
the Somati-Cave.
The guards of the Somati-Cave, or special people, had told him that
this cave stores millions of bodies, for millions of years from
ancient civilizations. Just in case if one civilization wipes itself
out, there is a genome storage ready for later use. It happened
several times on Earth when genome had to be reused.
Muldashev and scientists also found that Atlanteans were a warlike
race and fought eachother constantly. They used hypnosis to kill their
enemy. Their ability to use telekinesis allowed them to move large
objects, like stones. Article doesn't state clearly if Atlanteans were
the ones who built the pyramids, but it does say that according to
research pyramids are 80 thousand years old.
Because Atlanteans could use the telepathy, and were connected to the
"knowledge of the Universe" they could create great technology, but
because of that they also destroyed themselves.
CIRCUMCISION, ORIGIN OF
So later genome of the humankind, humans, was stripped of telepathic
abilities, and closed from the knowledge of the Universe.
Source. Gorizont (Horizon) newspaper in Denver. N9/214 March 2003.
.
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| User: "ken finian" |
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| Title: Re: ORDER OF DEMOLAY [Masonic] & Bill Clinton's rise to power.... |
26 Sep 2004 12:56:08 PM |
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Bill Clinton also admitted in his book MY LIFE that he had no sympathy
or resonance with the progressive and radical and socially
transformational movements or wishes of the 1960s. He did not want to
change Society like the other campus kids of his generation, he was
much more conservative than they.
He was much more comfortable with the orderliness and promise of
success of the Freemasons, and the potential money to earn.
Regardless, he still was one of our better presidents of the 1900s.
margi_clarke@hotmail.com (Margi Clarke) wrote in message news:<43195aea.0409241603.
Even Bill Clinton is one of them ... a member of a secret Order or
Organization. Oy vey.
He was in the boys and late teens Freemasons in Arkansas [THE ORDER OF
DEMOLAY], which booted him up into the Rhodes scholarship program each
incremental step in the tough competition [only 32 winners
nationally--The Arkansas Committee for the Rhodes Scholoarship at the
time was run by Bill Nash, an active Mason and senior partner at Rose
Law firm -- later they had Clinton appointed Attorney General of
Arkansas -- the CEO of Vulcan Steel of Alabama was on the selection
committee also] and, Bill and Hillary's Rose Law firm in Arkansas,
is/was crawling with Democrat [and Rebublican] Masons.
He admits it in his new book, MY LIFE. Bill states that he thoroughly
enjoyed the camaraderie of the Freemasons the long while he was with
them and that he absolutely relished the experience of memorizing all
the parts of the secret rituals, moving up the offices to become
Master Counselor of his chapter.
How can we save ourselves? So many Yalies and secret orders allied
with them or against them ...
Kerry/Clinton=Yale
Bush is Yale
Skull & Bones -- landmark of Yale
We are locked in like a door held by an endless chain of Yale locks.
And this is just one of hundreds of lock chains that have us chained
like slaves in the catacombs under Rome and Paris and in the pyramids
of ancient Egypt and in the mountain peaks of Tibet.
Ain't nothing gonna change in Iraq or JOB OUTSOURCING even if Kerry
wins. The "chain" will never allow it.
We certainly do need Paul Wellstone [now they are saying his plane
crash was an assasination and not an accidental death on a very clear day, with
excellent weather conditions]
==========
Five or six Disinformation Agents on the Internet are the following,
although they are not very clever, very poorly trained, not even potty
trained, and a third grader in Moldavia can write better posts in
English than the lot of them:
They have little to say which is why they spend all their time
masturbating each other like chimps on the sacred scrolls of usenet, a
heresy, because nobody else is interested in them except the other
lackeys working for chimp nuts!
Do a search on all of these nerds e.g. Vanilla Gorilla, Carl
Osterwald, Bookman, Dr. Postman, Ugly Bob, et al [they can't be out of
their twenties or out from under their momma's allowance, or if they
are already, they need serious psyche ward therapy for their horribly
scarred cranial disabilities] ... and try to find one or two
worthwhile compositions by one of them just one time, and you won't.
=================
golan_cipel@yahoo.com (Golan Cipel) wrote in message
news:<78df03b6.0409231546.63a2e70e@posting.google.com...
According to New York Times reporter Douglas Jehl, the NATIONAL
GEOSPATIAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY [NGIA], is more powerful than the CIA.
So anyone putting their fingers into NASA is at the heart and soul of
our satellite systems, military, governmental, et al. Our US Commerce
Dept has a fleet of satellites, the USDA has satellites too ... so it
is quite clear that Technion is in way too deep with just the little
bit of information you have provided us.
The Defense Intelligence Agency [DIA], is only a subset of the
Geospatial Intelligence Agency. And some of you out there know how
powerful the DIA is.
Even the coy Library of Congress has 135 intelligence analysts, and
the US State Department and the Dept. of Energy have countless spy
agencies and intelligence agencies.
This week, only Hillary Clinton, Christopher Dodd, and 2 others stood
up against the neo-con Republican nominee to be new CIA director,
Porter Goss.
He has suckled his whole career on the Israeli matrix, like a baby kid
goat.
It looks like we are stuck with Technicon and Israel, and that Uncle
Sam needs to start wearing the Star of David.
argon_rules_ammonia@yahoo.com (Argon Always Betters Ammonia) wrote in message
news:<40d73839.0409221744.6e6f19b8@posting.google.com...
TECHNION--NASA
Do we still own NASA or does Israel hold the keys?
Israeli technology enables images beamed from Mars
http://www.ourjerusalem.com/news/story/news20040119.html
The Technion Research by three scientists from the Haifa Technion made
the transmission of video pictures from Mars by the NASA explorer
"Spirit" possible, according to HP (Hewlett Packard) Labs, which was
responsible for the image transmissions.
The ability to transmit the images was feasible thanks to a unique
algorithm developed by Technion graduates living in the US as ....
One very useful compilation of data is from the Technion, see
A. Burcat and B. McBride, "1997 Ideal Gas Thermodynamic Data for
Combustion and Air-Pollution Use", Technion Israel Institute of
Technology, Aerospace Engineering Report, TAE 804, 1997.
The latest version of this database is available by anonymous ftp from
ftp://ftp.technion.ac.il/pub/supported/aetdd/thermodynamics. There is
a web-based mirror in Europe and a version of these files from August
12, 2001 is available here.
The NASA Glenn (formerly Lewis) Research Center is also very active in
this area. Two versions of the NASA database, an old format (360 kB)
and a new format (1.05 MB) were provided by Bonnie McBride of NASA
Lewis.
To find out more about NASA polynomials you can consult the report by
TECHNION-ISRAEL-NASA .... the beat goes on
Alex Burcat 'Thermochemical Data for Combustion Calculations', Chapter
8 of Combustion Chemistry, W.C. Gardiner, Ed, Springer-Verlag, New
York, 1984; '1994 Ideal Gas Thermodynamic Data for Combustion and Air-
Pollution Use', Technion Report TAE 697, December 1993, by A. Burcat
and B. McBride; or 'Coefficients for Calculating Thermodynamic and
Transport Properties of Individual Species', NASA Report TM-4513, by
B.J. McBride, S. Gordon and M.A. Reno, October 1993. Alex can be
contacted by Internet at
TECHNION-ISRAEL-NASA .... the beat goes on
aer0201@technion.technion.ac.il
THE CORE OF THE EARTH IS AMORPHOUS SOLID WATER
WITH PROPERTIES WE HAVE YET TO FATHOM
DAVID P. STERN, TECHNION ISRAEL, NASA
Born in Czechoslovakia, grew up in Israel; studied physics at the
Hebrew University in Jerusalem and at the Israel Institute of
Technology
(Technion) in Haifa,
with doctoral thesis on an underground experiment on cosmic rays. In
1959 joined Fred Singer's space group at the University of Maryland,
then in 1961 came to Goddard Space Flight Center.
zardoz_uber_alles@yahoo.com (ZARDOZ) wrote in message
news:<b195d5b8.0409210812.543e56e7@posting.google.com...
Excellently stated. thanx.
NASA
The one surviving photon of the Genesis solar ray collector plateletes
got away!
Now there is nothing remaining in the Smithsonian from the Genesis
project.
Technion of Israel, however, has kindly offered to replace the one
survivor photon at the special cut rate cost, to US taxpayers, of $800
billion dollars.
igigi_revolt@yahoo.co.uk (Revolt of the Igigi) wrote in message
news:<d7a08cf0.0409191048.5a4f24fa@posting.google.com...
They saved only ONE photon from Genesis crash site hexagonal silicon
plates.
It is now enshrined at the Smithsonian, with a photo of it on the wall
at Technion Israel Institute, the "controller" of NASA.
***
The entire U.S. media is a putain *****.
Scott Taylor, the Hemmingway-esqe investigative reporter of Canada,
was taken hostage and likely to be beheaded. He is against the war
and Zionism in Israel.
None of the US media covered his release, nor said a peep about it.
The CIA did not bother to debrief him.
go to --- http://www.antiwar.com/deliso/?articleid=3606
vajina_valley@yahoo.com (Vaj Ina Valley) wrote in message
news:<49566ad4.0409161414.53eb9402@posting.google.com...
There is yet another hurricane brewing in the Atlantic following in
the heels of Ivan. Global warming, reversal of the magnetic poles,
ice cap melt downs, and HAARP. What's next?
chelsea_57@hotmail.com (Chelsea Rumsfeld) wrote in message
news:<c0639235.0409111246.1deceb54@posting.google.com...
The GENESIS solar probe that crashed into the Utah desert due to an
apparent parachute malfunction was no accident.
The data measuring the components of the solar wind, collected on the
55 hexagonal coaster sized plates made of silicon, was meant to be
suppressed.
Our current concepts of the make-up of the plasma of the sun are
treacherously false -- and lots of modern day physics is reliant on
this lie. Gamma radiation is the anti-thesis of the universe, not the
essence.
The 55 plates would have refuted the current misconceptions that now
rule our academies.
They had to be sabotaged.
-------------------------------
HOW HAARP WAVES WILL DAMAGE BILLIONS OF PEOPLE:
[much like the results reported below]Vlad the Impaler Putin
{"Putain" in French, trnsl. "*****", ... e.g.
PUTIN is running one third of the world in a bogus sense of fear,
exploiting the oppressed to make them the victim and grabbing a
dictatorial hold on the former USSR ... GW Bush has already done the
same in the U.S. ... whether GW had a lot to do with the World Trade
Center disaster or not [Skull and Bones], he still exploited the
situation to concentrate absolute power ... Putin has long been
degrading Russian democracy into an autocracy ... and he did not have
to storm the Ossetian school and forbid Russian TV from covering the
"rescue" ... if the western democracies of the EU do not get together
and learn from the defeated left wing of union politics and outraged
labor in the US, and mobilize now and do something drastic to
forestall Putin, GW, and the growing menace of oppression in China,
we are all in a situation much worse than the emergence of Hitler and
the world war.
Putin must be Illuminati, and Skull & Bones is a subchapter of the
Illuminati.
I doubt John Kerry will be a messiah, ... not even an errand boy for
humanity. He will be a softer version of the Illuminati program.
HAARP HAARP HAARP HAARP
---------------
"The US will claim, as usual, "What, who me? HAARP hasn't been in
operation since October '99." But you can listen for yourself
on any short-wave receiver by tuning to 3.390 MHz. Good Listening."
THE TRUE ORIGIN OF THE RITUAL OF CIRCUMCISION
.....article refers to a Russian scientist, Ernst Muldashev, who tried
to find the legendary Shambala, and find an answer. Muldashev first
started his research when he was still in college, from time to time
he met people who talked about Shambala, and it intrigued him.
Shambala is a place where all genome of the humankind, and previous
civilizations, kept. This place is very remote, hard to find and is
protected by mysterious forces. Entrance to this place is in a cave,
and there are a lot of those caves all over the world. Only people
with clear mind and clean soul can come in, and only after they had
special meditation. Muldashev found one of the caves. It was hard and
long process, but he was lucky to meet with some Indian scientists,
who told him where he may find more about Shambala.
Muldashev was lead to a small and remote village in Tibetian
mountains, where he met with two special people who could come in this
Somati-Cave. They were the only ones who were allowed to do so. They
told him that you can only come in after long meditation, and you must
have a clean soul. Entrance for all other people will be impossible,
or deadly. He was allowed to visit this cave because they believed
that Muldashev was one of the guards of Somati-Cave in Russia. There
are many caves like this one all over the world, and each of them is
guarded.
This cave was several kilometers away from the village, and was
surrounded by rocks and mountains. Cave looks normal, nothing unusual,
but when you go inside, the entrance is blocked by metal door. One of
the special people opened a door for him, and Muldashev went in. He
said that it was cold and dark inside, but there was no fear, after he
walked about 30 meters he started to feel growing headache and feeling
of worry.
He says that it felt like the soul wanted to jump out, and get out.
He said that headache and feel of worry was not his own, it felt like
something was making him feel sick.
Muldashev and group of scientists tried to understand the beginning of
humankind, and tried to locate where it all began. They analyzed eyes
of all races on Earth, and came to a conclusion that our ancestors
came from Tibet. Also they tried to find more information on previous
civilization, Atlantis. After searching, asking all historians, and
scientists in this field, and going through all ancient records.
CIRCUMCISION
They found out what Atlanteans looked like. Muldashev: "Atlanteans had
telepathic organ third eye, their nose and mouth were sort of
connected not sticking out like ours, their rib cage was a lot bigger,
and other differences". He says that when they showed this picture to
one of those special people, he was amazed and asked if they were in
the Somati-Cave.
The guards of the Somati-Cave, or special people, had told him that
this cave stores millions of bodies, for millions of years from
ancient civilizations. Just in case if one civilization wipes itself
out, there is a genome storage ready for later use. It happened
several times on Earth when genome had to be reused.
Muldashev and scientists also found that Atlanteans were a warlike
race and fought eachother constantly. They used hypnosis to kill their
enemy. Their ability to use telekinesis allowed them to move large
objects, like stones. Article doesn't state clearly if Atlanteans were
the ones who built the pyramids, but it does say that according to
research pyramids are 80 thousand years old.
Because Atlanteans could use the telepathy, and were connected to the
"knowledge of the Universe" they could create great technology, but
because of that they also destroyed themselves.
CIRCUMCISION, ORIGIN OF
So later genome of the humankind, humans, was stripped of telepathic
abilities, and closed from the knowledge of the Universe.
Source. Gorizont (Horizon) newspaper in Denver. N9/214 March 2003.
.
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| User: "kstahl" |
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| Title: Re: ORDER OF DEMOLAY [Masonic] & Bill Clinton's rise to power.... |
26 Sep 2004 04:24:03 PM |
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Margi Clarke wrote:
Even Bill Clinton is one of them ... a member of a secret Order or
Organization. Oy vey.
He was in the boys and late teens Freemasons in Arkansas [THE ORDER OF
DEMOLAY], which booted him up into the Rhodes scholarship program each
incremental step in the tough competition [only 32 winners
nationally--The Arkansas Committee for the Rhodes Scholoarship at the
time was run by Bill Nash, an active Mason and senior partner at Rose
Law firm -- later they had Clinton appointed Attorney General of
Arkansas -- the CEO of Vulcan Steel of Alabama was on the selection
committee also] and, Bill and Hillary's Rose Law firm in Arkansas,
is/was crawling with Democrat [and Rebublican] Masons.
Let's not be too rough on the Order of DeMolay.
I was inducted when I was 15 (my father was a 32nd degree Mason
until he tendered his demit). At the time I didn't have the
foggiest idea of who Jacques DeMolay was (I do now). Basically it
is just a civic organization for teenage boys. The only time that
much ritual is used is during initiation meetings. The rest of
the time they do get dressed up in the robes, but mostly it is
just a business meeting where they urge members to show up for
car washes, help at fairs, etc. They really don't have any
particular secrets as such and the only thing that I was never
supposed to tell anyone else was the chapter's password
(Fidelitus). It is actually too bad the actual enactment of the
Demolay murder is not viewable by the public for it is actually a
very impressive bit of theater when everyone remembers where they
are supposed to be standing at any given moment.
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| User: "Jane" |
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26 Sep 2004 05:03:57 PM |
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"kstahl" <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:T56dndPtM8PprsrcRVn-rQ@comcast.com...
Margi Clarke wrote:
Even Bill Clinton is one of them ... a member of a secret Order or
Organization. Oy vey.
He was in the boys and late teens Freemasons in Arkansas [THE ORDER OF
DEMOLAY], which booted him up into the Rhodes scholarship program each
incremental step in the tough competition [only 32 winners
nationally--The Arkansas Committee for the Rhodes Scholoarship at the
time was run by Bill Nash, an active Mason and senior partner at Rose
Law firm -- later they had Clinton appointed Attorney General of
Arkansas -- the CEO of Vulcan Steel of Alabama was on the selection
committee also] and, Bill and Hillary's Rose Law firm in Arkansas,
is/was crawling with Democrat [and Rebublican] Masons.
Let's not be too rough on the Order of DeMolay.
I was inducted when I was 15 (my father was a 32nd degree Mason
until he tendered his demit). At the time I didn't have the
foggiest idea of who Jacques DeMolay was (I do now). Basically it
is just a civic organization for teenage boys. The only time that
much ritual is used is during initiation meetings. The rest of
the time they do get dressed up in the robes, but mostly it is
just a business meeting where they urge members to show up for
car washes, help at fairs, etc. They really don't have any
particular secrets as such and the only thing that I was never
supposed to tell anyone else was the chapter's password
(Fidelitus). It is actually too bad the actual enactment of the
Demolay murder is not viewable by the public for it is actually a
very impressive bit of theater when everyone remembers where they
are supposed to be standing at any given moment.
So, since your father was demitted, did he break his silence on the
conspiracies that some here (Barbarossa and Cuan) keep going on about? As a
32-degree Mason, he must know the satanic truth (heavy sarcasm)! My lowly
3rd degree husband doesn't know anything :) !
Jane
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| User: "Barbarossa" |
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| Title: Re: ORDER OF DEMOLAY [Masonic] & Bill Clinton's rise to power.... |
26 Sep 2004 06:46:46 PM |
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"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> schreef in bericht
news:h1H5d.514$tT2.136946@news20.bellglobal.com...
"kstahl" <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:T56dndPtM8PprsrcRVn-rQ@comcast.com...
Margi Clarke wrote:
Even Bill Clinton is one of them ... a member of a secret Order or
Organization. Oy vey.
He was in the boys and late teens Freemasons in Arkansas [THE ORDER OF
DEMOLAY], which booted him up into the Rhodes scholarship program each
incremental step in the tough competition [only 32 winners
nationally--The Arkansas Committee for the Rhodes Scholoarship at the
time was run by Bill Nash, an active Mason and senior partner at Rose
Law firm -- later they had Clinton appointed Attorney General of
Arkansas -- the CEO of Vulcan Steel of Alabama was on the selection
committee also] and, Bill and Hillary's Rose Law firm in Arkansas,
is/was crawling with Democrat [and Rebublican] Masons.
Let's not be too rough on the Order of DeMolay.
I was inducted when I was 15 (my father was a 32nd degree Mason
until he tendered his demit). At the time I didn't have the
foggiest idea of who Jacques DeMolay was (I do now). Basically it
is just a civic organization for teenage boys. The only time that
much ritual is used is during initiation meetings. The rest of
the time they do get dressed up in the robes, but mostly it is
just a business meeting where they urge members to show up for
car washes, help at fairs, etc. They really don't have any
particular secrets as such and the only thing that I was never
supposed to tell anyone else was the chapter's password
(Fidelitus). It is actually too bad the actual enactment of the
Demolay murder is not viewable by the public for it is actually a
very impressive bit of theater when everyone remembers where they
are supposed to be standing at any given moment.
So, since your father was demitted, did he break his silence on the
conspiracies that some here (Barbarossa and Cuan) keep going on about? As
a
32-degree Mason, he must know the satanic truth (heavy sarcasm)! My lowly
3rd degree husband doesn't know anything :) !
You are totally correct here! Has your hubby studied The Secret Doctrine
and Isis Unveiled by H.P. Blavatsky yet?
Kind Regards,
Barbarossa
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| User: "kstahl" |
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| Title: Re: ORDER OF DEMOLAY [Masonic] & Bill Clinton's rise to power.... |
26 Sep 2004 08:01:49 PM |
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Jane wrote:
"kstahl" <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:T56dndPtM8PprsrcRVn-rQ@comcast.com...
Margi Clarke wrote:
Even Bill Clinton is one of them ... a member of a secret Order or
Organization. Oy vey.
He was in the boys and late teens Freemasons in Arkansas [THE ORDER OF
DEMOLAY], which booted him up into the Rhodes scholarship program each
incremental step in the tough competition [only 32 winners
nationally--The Arkansas Committee for the Rhodes Scholoarship at the
time was run by Bill Nash, an active Mason and senior partner at Rose
Law firm -- later they had Clinton appointed Attorney General of
Arkansas -- the CEO of Vulcan Steel of Alabama was on the selection
committee also] and, Bill and Hillary's Rose Law firm in Arkansas,
is/was crawling with Democrat [and Rebublican] Masons.
Let's not be too rough on the Order of DeMolay.
I was inducted when I was 15 (my father was a 32nd degree Mason
until he tendered his demit). At the time I didn't have the
foggiest idea of who Jacques DeMolay was (I do now). Basically it
is just a civic organization for teenage boys. The only time that
much ritual is used is during initiation meetings. The rest of
the time they do get dressed up in the robes, but mostly it is
just a business meeting where they urge members to show up for
car washes, help at fairs, etc. They really don't have any
particular secrets as such and the only thing that I was never
supposed to tell anyone else was the chapter's password
(Fidelitus). It is actually too bad the actual enactment of the
Demolay murder is not viewable by the public for it is actually a
very impressive bit of theater when everyone remembers where they
are supposed to be standing at any given moment.
So, since your father was demitted, did he break his silence on the
conspiracies that some here (Barbarossa and Cuan) keep going on about? As a
32-degree Mason, he must know the satanic truth (heavy sarcasm)! My lowly
3rd degree husband doesn't know anything :) !
Jane
If there are any real secrets, it really has nothing to do with
degrees. Although those who are initiates above the 32nd degree
level are probably more likely to know them.
At the same time, if there are any secrets at all, they are
conveyed to those who have shown themselves worthy of trust. One
day a higher level member approaches a lower level member and
asks him if he can do some task that involves a level of personal
risk. If the member doesn't feel comfortable performing he is
never asked again. If he does do that first task he may or may
not learn that the risk level was already taken care of by other
members. The next task involves greater risk. Etc. If the lower
level member does enough tasks he is invited to a circle of
individuals that is somewhat smaller then general membership. My
father made it to the 32nd degree before he was asked to do
something that he wouldn't do. He never told me what that was,
but if effected him strongly enough that he submitted his demit.
The degrees themselves are purchased. Blue Lodge is pretty cheap
with the first three degrees costing between $300-$1000
depending on the size and prominence of the lodge. I don't know
what the going rate for degrees after that, but it increases with
each level. Degrees 4-32 are generally divided into three or more
chunks and they speed things up by having class initiations where
a single representative goes through the ritual while the others
just watch and then eventually take the appropriate vows.
Years ago the initiation rate for 33rd degree was $15K so it is
probably quite a bit more now. Higher levels are probably even
more. Depending on the person and the motivations of others, that
fee might be covered by other members - but then the candidate is
beholden to those sponsors. Also, keep in mind that there is no
actual degree work involved in the 33rd degree - it is an
honorary degree.
This isn't unique to Masonry, by the way. The form and substance
varies, but it is present in other organizations as well.
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| User: "Jane" |
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| Title: Re: ORDER OF DEMOLAY [Masonic] & Bill Clinton's rise to power.... |
26 Sep 2004 11:12:44 PM |
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"kstahl" <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:loCdnXM9xKng-8rcRVn-vA@comcast.com...
Jane wrote:
"kstahl" <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:T56dndPtM8PprsrcRVn-rQ@comcast.com...
Margi Clarke wrote:
Even Bill Clinton is one of them ... a member of a secret Order or
Organization. Oy vey.
He was in the boys and late teens Freemasons in Arkansas [THE ORDER OF
DEMOLAY], which booted him up into the Rhodes scholarship program each
incremental step in the tough competition [only 32 winners
nationally--The Arkansas Committee for the Rhodes Scholoarship at the
time was run by Bill Nash, an active Mason and senior partner at Rose
Law firm -- later they had Clinton appointed Attorney General of
Arkansas -- the CEO of Vulcan Steel of Alabama was on the selection
committee also] and, Bill and Hillary's Rose Law firm in Arkansas,
is/was crawling with Democrat [and Rebublican] Masons.
Let's not be too rough on the Order of DeMolay.
I was inducted when I was 15 (my father was a 32nd degree Mason
until he tendered his demit). At the time I didn't have the
foggiest idea of who Jacques DeMolay was (I do now). Basically it
is just a civic organization for teenage boys. The only time that
much ritual is used is during initiation meetings. The rest of
the time they do get dressed up in the robes, but mostly it is
just a business meeting where they urge members to show up for
car washes, help at fairs, etc. They really don't have any
particular secrets as such and the only thing that I was never
supposed to tell anyone else was the chapter's password
(Fidelitus). It is actually too bad the actual enactment of the
Demolay murder is not viewable by the public for it is actually a
very impressive bit of theater when everyone remembers where they
are supposed to be standing at any given moment.
So, since your father was demitted, did he break his silence on the
conspiracies that some here (Barbarossa and Cuan) keep going on about?
As a
32-degree Mason, he must know the satanic truth (heavy sarcasm)! My
lowly
3rd degree husband doesn't know anything :) !
Jane
If there are any real secrets, it really has nothing to do with
degrees. Although those who are initiates above the 32nd degree
level are probably more likely to know them.
At the same time, if there are any secrets at all, they are
conveyed to those who have shown themselves worthy of trust. One
day a higher level member approaches a lower level member and
asks him if he can do some task that involves a level of personal
risk. If the member doesn't feel comfortable performing he is
never asked again. If he does do that first task he may or may
not learn that the risk level was already taken care of by other
members. The next task involves greater risk. Etc. If the lower
level member does enough tasks he is invited to a circle of
individuals that is somewhat smaller then general membership. My
father made it to the 32nd degree before he was asked to do
something that he wouldn't do. He never told me what that was,
but if effected him strongly enough that he submitted his demit.
The degrees themselves are purchased. Blue Lodge is pretty cheap
with the first three degrees costing between $300-$1000
depending on the size and prominence of the lodge. I don't know
what the going rate for degrees after that, but it increases with
each level. Degrees 4-32 are generally divided into three or more
chunks and they speed things up by having class initiations where
a single representative goes through the ritual while the others
just watch and then eventually take the appropriate vows.
Years ago the initiation rate for 33rd degree was $15K so it is
probably quite a bit more now. Higher levels are probably even
more. Depending on the person and the motivations of others, that
fee might be covered by other members - but then the candidate is
beholden to those sponsors. Also, keep in mind that there is no
actual degree work involved in the 33rd degree - it is an
honorary degree.
This isn't unique to Masonry, by the way. The form and substance
varies, but it is present in other organizations as well.
Thank you, that was interesting. I really wasn't serious, however, about
the satanic conspiracy...just getting in a dig at some folks here. Still,
it is interesting. my husband hasn't persued any higher degrees, as he is
too busy with family and work, but he may later. I tease him, because I
think fraternal organizations are a bunch of foolishness and not at all
sinister!
Jane
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| User: "Barbarossa" |
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| Title: Re: ORDER OF DEMOLAY [Masonic] & Bill Clinton's rise to power.... |
27 Sep 2004 09:17:21 PM |
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"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> schreef in bericht
news:%qM5d.764$tT2.262306@news20.bellglobal.com...
"kstahl" <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:loCdnXM9xKng-8rcRVn-vA@comcast.com...
Jane wrote:
"kstahl" <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:T56dndPtM8PprsrcRVn-rQ@comcast.com...
Margi Clarke wrote:
Even Bill Clinton is one of them ... a member of a secret Order or
Organization. Oy vey.
He was in the boys and late teens Freemasons in Arkansas [THE ORDER
OF
DEMOLAY], which booted him up into the Rhodes scholarship program
each
incremental step in the tough competition [only 32 winners
nationally--The Arkansas Committee for the Rhodes Scholoarship at the
time was run by Bill Nash, an active Mason and senior partner at Rose
Law firm -- later they had Clinton appointed Attorney General of
Arkansas -- the CEO of Vulcan Steel of Alabama was on the selection
committee also] and, Bill and Hillary's Rose Law firm in Arkansas,
is/was crawling with Democrat [and Rebublican] Masons.
Let's not be too rough on the Order of DeMolay.
I was inducted when I was 15 (my father was a 32nd degree Mason
until he tendered his demit). At the time I didn't have the
foggiest idea of who Jacques DeMolay was (I do now). Basically it
is just a civic organization for teenage boys. The only time that
much ritual is used is during initiation meetings. The rest of
the time they do get dressed up in the robes, but mostly it is
just a business meeting where they urge members to show up for
car washes, help at fairs, etc. They really don't have any
particular secrets as such and the only thing that I was never
supposed to tell anyone else was the chapter's password
(Fidelitus). It is actually too bad the actual enactment of the
Demolay murder is not viewable by the public for it is actually a
very impressive bit of theater when everyone remembers where they
are supposed to be standing at any given moment.
So, since your father was demitted, did he break his silence on the
conspiracies that some here (Barbarossa and Cuan) keep going on about?
As a
32-degree Mason, he must know the satanic truth (heavy sarcasm)! My
lowly
3rd degree husband doesn't know anything :) !
Jane
If there are any real secrets, it really has nothing to do with
degrees. Although those who are initiates above the 32nd degree
level are probably more likely to know them.
At the same time, if there are any secrets at all, they are
conveyed to those who have shown themselves worthy of trust. One
day a higher level member approaches a lower level member and
asks him if he can do some task that involves a level of personal
risk. If the member doesn't feel comfortable performing he is
never asked again. If he does do that first task he may or may
not learn that the risk level was already taken care of by other
members. The next task involves greater risk. Etc. If the lower
level member does enough tasks he is invited to a circle of
individuals that is somewhat smaller then general membership. My
father made it to the 32nd degree before he was asked to do
something that he wouldn't do. He never told me what that was,
but if effected him strongly enough that he submitted his demit.
The degrees themselves are purchased. Blue Lodge is pretty cheap
with the first three degrees costing between $300-$1000
depending on the size and prominence of the lodge. I don't know
what the going rate for degrees after that, but it increases with
each level. Degrees 4-32 are generally divided into three or more
chunks and they speed things up by having class initiations where
a single representative goes through the ritual while the others
just watch and then eventually take the appropriate vows.
Years ago the initiation rate for 33rd degree was $15K so it is
probably quite a bit more now. Higher levels are probably even
more. Depending on the person and the motivations of others, that
fee might be covered by other members - but then the candidate is
beholden to those sponsors. Also, keep in mind that there is no
actual degree work involved in the 33rd degree - it is an
honorary degree.
This isn't unique to Masonry, by the way. The form and substance
varies, but it is present in other organizations as well.
Thank you, that was interesting. I really wasn't serious, however, about
the satanic conspiracy...just getting in a dig at some folks here. Still,
it is interesting. my husband hasn't persued any higher degrees, as he is
too busy with family and work, but he may later. I tease him, because I
think fraternal organizations are a bunch of foolishness and not at all
sinister!
And that is where you and your hubby are totally ignorant.
Kind Regards,
Barbarossa
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| User: "kstahl" |
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| Title: Re: ORDER OF DEMOLAY [Masonic] & Bill Clinton's rise to power.... |
27 Sep 2004 07:24:45 AM |
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Jane wrote:
Thank you, that was interesting. I really wasn't serious, however, about
the satanic conspiracy...just getting in a dig at some folks here. Still,
it is interesting. my husband hasn't persued any higher degrees, as he is
too busy with family and work, but he may later. I tease him, because I
think fraternal organizations are a bunch of foolishness and not at all
sinister!
Jane
They are really only foolishness if they devolve into excessive
drinking. Otherwise it is basically a social club that uses the
rituals to provide a common link. In that sense it is no
different then the Rotary, JCOC and other such organizations.
And, of course, whenever you get a few men behind closed doors
where no women are allowed, there will be a few crude sexual
jokes exchanged.
The whole satanic conspiracy thing has been with the Masons a
long time. It basically goes along the lines that the lower level
members really don't know about it and that it is disguised in
forms that are outwardly more acceptable. Yada, yada, yada. The
conspiracy nuts will also claim that at some point a person has
to pledge allegiance to Allah by placing their hand on the Koran.
Yada, yada, yada. All of those things are repeated by those who
find it offensive that they are not part of the inner "power" circle.
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| User: "Jean Guernon" |
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| Title: Re: ORDER OF DEMOLAY [Masonic] & Bill Clinton's rise to power.... |
29 Sep 2004 04:28:01 PM |
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kstahl a écrit:
Jane wrote:
Thank you, that was interesting. I really wasn't serious, however, about
the satanic conspiracy...just getting in a dig at some folks here.
Still,
it is interesting. my husband hasn't persued any higher degrees, as
he is
too busy with family and work, but he may later. I tease him, because I
think fraternal organizations are a bunch of foolishness and not at all
sinister!
Jane
They are really only foolishness if they devolve into excessive
drinking. Otherwise it is basically a social club that uses the rituals
to provide a common link. In that sense it is no different then the
Rotary, JCOC and other such organizations. And, of course, whenever you
get a few men behind closed doors where no women are allowed, there will
be a few crude sexual jokes exchanged.
The whole satanic conspiracy thing has been with the Masons a long time.
It basically goes along the lines that the lower level members really
don't know about it and that it is disguised in forms that are outwardly
more acceptable. Yada, yada, yada. The conspiracy nuts will also claim
that at some point a person has to pledge allegiance to Allah by placing
their hand on the Koran. Yada, yada, yada. All of those things are
repeated by those who find it offensive that they are not part of the
inner "power" circle.
This makes more sense than barbarossa's paranoid rambling.
J.
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| User: "Barbarossa" |
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| Title: Re: ORDER OF DEMOLAY [Masonic] & Bill Clinton's rise to power.... |
29 Sep 2004 04:52:16 PM |
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"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> schreef in bericht
news:BNF6d.2512$eq.2032@edtnps84...
kstahl a écrit:
Jane wrote:
Thank you, that was interesting. I really wasn't serious, however,
about
the satanic conspiracy...just getting in a dig at some folks here.
Still,
it is interesting. my husband hasn't persued any higher degrees, as
he is
too busy with family and work, but he may later. I tease him, because
I
think fraternal organizations are a bunch of foolishness and not at all
sinister!
Jane
They are really only foolishness if they devolve into excessive
drinking. Otherwise it is basically a social club that uses the rituals
to provide a common link. In that sense it is no different then the
Rotary, JCOC and other such organizations. And, of course, whenever you
get a few men behind closed doors where no women are allowed, there will
be a few crude sexual jokes exchanged.
The whole satanic conspiracy thing has been with the Masons a long time.
It basically goes along the lines that the lower level members really
don't know about it and that it is disguised in forms that are outwardly
more acceptable. Yada, yada, yada. The conspiracy nuts will also claim
that at some point a person has to pledge allegiance to Allah by placing
their hand on the Koran. Yada, yada, yada. All of those things are
repeated by those who find it offensive that they are not part of the
inner "power" circle.
This makes more sense than barbarossa's paranoid rambling.
It only seems that way. No doubt the one you are replying to has ties to
Freemasonry and he is allowed to lie to none masons. Furthermore he has
no clue about freemasonry really is. And you have no clue either.
Kind Regards,
Barbarossa
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| User: "Cuan" |
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| Title: Re: ORDER OF DEMOLAY [Masonic] & Bill Clinton's rise to power.... |
30 Sep 2004 05:56:03 AM |
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On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 21:28:01 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
kstahl a écrit:
Jane wrote:
Thank you, that was interesting. I really wasn't serious, however, about
the satanic conspiracy...just getting in a dig at some folks here.
Still,
it is interesting. my husband hasn't persued any higher degrees, as
he is
too busy with family and work, but he may later. I tease him, because I
think fraternal organizations are a bunch of foolishness and not at all
sinister!
Jane
They are really only foolishness if they devolve into excessive
drinking. Otherwise it is basically a social club that uses the rituals
to provide a common link. In that sense it is no different then the
Rotary, JCOC and other such organizations. And, of course, whenever you
get a few men behind closed doors where no women are allowed, there will
be a few crude sexual jokes exchanged.
The whole satanic conspiracy thing has been with the Masons a long time.
It basically goes along the lines that the lower level members really
don't know about it and that it is disguised in forms that are outwardly
more acceptable. Yada, yada, yada. The conspiracy nuts will also claim
that at some point a person has to pledge allegiance to Allah by placing
their hand on the Koran. Yada, yada, yada. All of those things are
repeated by those who find it offensive that they are not part of the
inner "power" circle.
This makes more sense than barbarossa's paranoid rambling.
You realise you're playing on both sides of the fence with that
remark? "All of those things are repeated by those who find it
offensive that they are not part of the inner "power" circle" making
more sense than Barbarossa's "paranoid rambling". So you're accepting
that there's an "inner power circle" then, Jean? Inadvertently,
whether he was intending to or not, he made a statement which
corroborates the argument that you have been trying so desperately to
'debunk' - and now it makes sense? <gasp> How the hell did he get
through to you so easy? Nothing like taking a line from the "Trojan
Horse" story when trying to convince you, is there.
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| User: "Cuan" |
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| Title: Re: ORDER OF DEMOLAY [Masonic] & Bill Clinton's rise to power.... |
27 Sep 2004 07:58:05 AM |
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On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 00:12:44 -0400, "Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"kstahl" <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:loCdnXM9xKng-8rcRVn-vA@comcast.com...
Jane wrote:
"kstahl" <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:T56dndPtM8PprsrcRVn-rQ@comcast.com...
Margi Clarke wrote:
Even Bill Clinton is one of them ... a member of a secret Order or
Organization. Oy vey.
He was in the boys and late teens Freemasons in Arkansas [THE ORDER OF
DEMOLAY], which booted him up into the Rhodes scholarship program each
incremental step in the tough competition [only 32 winners
nationally--The Arkansas Committee for the Rhodes Scholoarship at the
time was run by Bill Nash, an active Mason and senior partner at Rose
Law firm -- later they had Clinton appointed Attorney General of
Arkansas -- the CEO of Vulcan Steel of Alabama was on the selection
committee also] and, Bill and Hillary's Rose Law firm in Arkansas,
is/was crawling with Democrat [and Rebublican] Masons.
Let's not be too rough on the Order of DeMolay.
I was inducted when I was 15 (my father was a 32nd degree Mason
until he tendered his demit). At the time I didn't have the
foggiest idea of who Jacques DeMolay was (I do now). Basically it
is just a civic organization for teenage boys. The only time that
much ritual is used is during initiation meetings. The rest of
the time they do get dressed up in the robes, but mostly it is
just a business meeting where they urge members to show up for
car washes, help at fairs, etc. They really don't have any
particular secrets as such and the only thing that I was never
supposed to tell anyone else was the chapter's password
(Fidelitus). It is actually too bad the actual enactment of the
Demolay murder is not viewable by the public for it is actually a
very impressive bit of theater when everyone remembers where they
are supposed to be standing at any given moment.
So, since your father was demitted, did he break his silence on the
conspiracies that some here (Barbarossa and Cuan) keep going on about?
As a
32-degree Mason, he must know the satanic truth (heavy sarcasm)! My
lowly
3rd degree husband doesn't know anything :) !
Jane
If there are any real secrets, it really has nothing to do with
degrees. Although those who are initiates above the 32nd degree
level are probably more likely to know them.
At the same time, if there are any secrets at all, they are
conveyed to those who have shown themselves worthy of trust. One
day a higher level member approaches a lower level member and
asks him if he can do some task that involves a level of personal
risk. If the member doesn't feel comfortable performing he is
never asked again. If he does do that first task he may or may
not learn that the risk level was already taken care of by other
members. The next task involves greater risk. Etc. If the lower
level member does enough tasks he is invited to a circle of
individuals that is somewhat smaller then general membership. My
father made it to the 32nd degree before he was asked to do
something that he wouldn't do. He never told me what that was,
but if effected him strongly enough that he submitted his demit.
The degrees themselves are purchased. Blue Lodge is pretty cheap
with the first three degrees costing between $300-$1000
depending on the size and prominence of the lodge. I don't know
what the going rate for degrees after that, but it increases with
each level. Degrees 4-32 are generally divided into three or more
chunks and they speed things up by having class initiations where
a single representative goes through the ritual while the others
just watch and then eventually take the appropriate vows.
Years ago the initiation rate for 33rd degree was $15K so it is
probably quite a bit more now. Higher levels are probably even
more. Depending on the person and the motivations of others, that
fee might be covered by other members - but then the candidate is
beholden to those sponsors. Also, keep in mind that there is no
actual degree work involved in the 33rd degree - it is an
honorary degree.
This isn't unique to Masonry, by the way. The form and substance
varies, but it is present in other organizations as well.
Thank you, that was interesting. I really wasn't serious, however, about
the satanic conspiracy...just getting in a dig at some folks here.
Seems we have not been refuted from a position of knowledge, either.
In fact, it verges on the opposite. Just the smoke that was mentioned
is indicative of fire. You wouldn't be withdrawing gracefully, would
you Jane?
Still,
it is interesting. my husband hasn't persued any higher degrees, as he is
too busy with family and work, but he may later. I tease him, because I
think fraternal organizations are a bunch of foolishness and not at all
sinister!
"Think" - a wise choice of word. Although, what he states in his post
certainly hints at the possibility of something sinister involved. I
can hardly think what kind of organisation of adults would ask a
member to do something at personal risk to himself, whereafter he
would decline and demit after attaining such a high degree and at such
a substatial cost. Furthermore, what would it have been that he would
refuse to even tell his son, who so happened to be a Freemason
himself.
Could it be some privileged information which would be of some
"personal risk" or of risk to his family should it be spoken of?
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27 Sep 2004 08:24:45 PM |
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Cuan <an@nymous.co.za> wrote in message news:<6q2gl05bk028e1o4tec7kdb6s6m98gbpjg@4ax.com>...
On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 00:12:44 -0400, "Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com>
wrote:
OK - Cuan, here is some hidden Masonry for ya ;) *Being from birth a
member.*
Sinistra (other forms of the spelling) are from the iconography of the
Italian Renaissance period to mean, especially in art, that the deemed
standard in frescos and the plastic arts is a term in Italian that
means LEFT!
When one sees Giotto's ,Areana Chaple, the "last Judgement" fresco one
sees that the *left* is where hell is (From the religious figures
standpoint - how the Catholic Church set up the standards) . It was
standard iconography.
You know left vs. right thingy?
The political left ;)
Mao, Lenin, Marx, etc...
You know Hillary's Party - one world gov kind of girl - the nuclear
proliferator's wife. ;)
Got it?
That's is about far as it gets in the inners. ;)
So who will run the world? Satan or God?
<If it shows up twice it's the browser>
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28 Sep 2004 02:35:05 AM |
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On 27 Sep 2004 18:24:45 -0700, (Michael
Johnathan McDonald) wrote:
Cuan <an@nymous.co.za> wrote in message news:<6q2gl05bk028e1o4tec7kdb6s6m98gbpjg@4ax.com>...
On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 00:12:44 -0400, "Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com>
wrote:
OK - Cuan, here is some hidden Masonry for ya ;) *Being from birth a
member.*
Ooooh, lucky you.
Sinistra (other forms of the spelling) are from the iconography of the
Italian Renaissance period to mean, especially in art, that the deemed
standard in frescos and the plastic arts is a term in Italian that
means LEFT!
When one sees Giotto's ,Areana Chaple, the "last Judgement" fresco one
sees that the *left* is where hell is (From the religious figures
standpoint - how the Catholic Church set up the standards) . It was
standard iconography.
You know left vs. right thingy?
The political left ;)
Mao, Lenin, Marx, etc...
You know Hillary's Party - one world gov kind of girl - the nuclear
proliferator's wife. ;)
Got it?
That's is about far as it gets in the inners. ;)
So who will run the world? Satan or God?
You really are that illogical? I see you're really caught up in this
left and right wing *****, aren't ya?
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27 Sep 2004 07:41:25 AM |
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On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 21:01:49 -0400, kstahl <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote:
Jane wrote:
"kstahl" <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:T56dndPtM8PprsrcRVn-rQ@comcast.com...
Margi Clarke wrote:
Even Bill Clinton is one of them ... a member of a secret Order or
Organization. Oy vey.
He was in the boys and late teens Freemasons in Arkansas [THE ORDER OF
DEMOLAY], which booted him up into the Rhodes scholarship program each
incremental step in the tough competition [only 32 winners
nationally--The Arkansas Committee for the Rhodes Scholoarship at the
time was run by Bill Nash, an active Mason and senior partner at Rose
Law firm -- later they had Clinton appointed Attorney General of
Arkansas -- the CEO of Vulcan Steel of Alabama was on the selection
committee also] and, Bill and Hillary's Rose Law firm in Arkansas,
is/was crawling with Democrat [and Rebublican] Masons.
Let's not be too rough on the Order of DeMolay.
I was inducted when I was 15 (my father was a 32nd degree Mason
until he tendered his demit). At the time I didn't have the
foggiest idea of who Jacques DeMolay was (I do now). Basically it
is just a civic organization for teenage boys. The only time that
much ritual is used is during initiation meetings. The rest of
the time they do get dressed up in the robes, but mostly it is
just a business meeting where they urge members to show up for
car washes, help at fairs, etc. They really don't have any
particular secrets as such and the only thing that I was never
supposed to tell anyone else was the chapter's password
(Fidelitus). It is actually too bad the actual enactment of the
Demolay murder is not viewable by the public for it is actually a
very impressive bit of theater when everyone remembers where they
are supposed to be standing at any given moment.
So, since your father was demitted, did he break his silence on the
conspiracies that some here (Barbarossa and Cuan) keep going on about? As a
32-degree Mason, he must know the satanic truth (heavy sarcasm)! My lowly
3rd degree husband doesn't know anything :) !
Jane
If there are any real secrets, it really has nothing to do with
degrees. Although those who are initiates above the 32nd degree
level are probably more likely to know them.
At the same time, if there are any secrets at all, they are
conveyed to those who have shown themselves worthy of trust. One
day a higher level member approaches a lower level member and
asks him if he can do some task that involves a level of personal
risk. If the member doesn't feel comfortable performing he is
never asked again. If he does do that first task he may or may
not learn that the risk level was already taken care of by other
members. The next task involves greater risk. Etc. If the lower
level member does enough tasks he is invited to a circle of
individuals that is somewhat smaller then general membership. My
father made it to the 32nd degree before he was asked to do
something that he wouldn't do. He never told me what that was,
but if effected him strongly enough that he submitted his demit.
The degrees themselves are purchased. Blue Lodge is pretty cheap
with the first three degrees costing between $300-$1000
depending on the size and prominence of the lodge. I don't know
what the going rate for degrees after that, but it increases with
each level. Degrees 4-32 are generally divided into three or more
chunks and they speed things up by having class initiations where
a single representative goes through the ritual while the others
just watch and then eventually take the appropriate vows.
Years ago the initiation rate for 33rd degree was $15K so it is
probably quite a bit more now. Higher levels are probably even
more. Depending on the person and the motivations of others, that
fee might be covered by other members - but then the candidate is
beholden to those sponsors. Also, keep in mind that there is no
actual degree work involved in the 33rd degree - it is an
honorary degree.
This isn't unique to Masonry, by the way. The form and substance
varies, but it is present in other organizations as well.
Thank you for an unbiased and detailed account from your perspective
as an initiate. What you have said does not refute anything that has
been argued here, but actually serves to reinforce the likelihood that
it is true.
The degrees are relevant, despite the fact that they are purchased.
The purchase of the initiation ceremony ensures income into the lodge
other than by donation - always a plus. In addition to that, the
higher the degree, the higher the price, effectively ensuring those
ascending to the higher degrees are those in a position of financial
wellbeing or status, and thus a credit to the lodge. The rituals
always have significance in their symbolism.
What you describe about the inner 'circle' is precisely where the
present argument is based. These are the people with the power, and
they have an agenda they need to achieve. Some other such masonic
'inner circles' are, in fact, the patriarchs, eg: "The Order of the
Garter" (of the Scottish Rite denomination), the "The Club of the
Isles", and the historically mysterious "Illuminati", believed to be
the 'government' of all the Masonic orders.
Had your father accepted and been successfull in his quest, he might
have gained further access to one of these groups in time. It is
probably a testiment to his virtue that he demitted from the
organisation after being presented with his quest after already
attaining the 32nd degree. I find it rather sinister that he will not
speak of it too - although not sinister on his part.
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| Title: Re: ORDER OF DEMOLAY [Masonic] & Bill Clinton's rise to power.... |
25 Sep 2004 10:47:01 PM |
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On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 21:01:49 -0400, kstahl <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote:
One
day a higher level member approaches a lower level member and
asks him if he can do some task that involves a level of personal
risk.
"Bill, I want you to ride a tiny motorcycle in the Shrine parade this
Saturday."
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| User: "kstahl" |
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27 Sep 2004 07:16:56 AM |
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William Hamblen wrote:
On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 21:01:49 -0400, kstahl <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote:
One
day a higher level member approaches a lower level member and
asks him if he can do some task that involves a level of personal
risk.
"Bill, I want you to ride a tiny motorcycle in the Shrine parade this
Saturday."
It really can be that simple. It just depends on the goals of the
person who is doing the asking.
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| User: "Cuan" |
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| Title: Re: ORDER OF DEMOLAY [Masonic] & Bill Clinton's rise to power.... |
27 Sep 2004 05:54:46 AM |
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On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 18:03:57 -0400, "Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"kstahl" <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:T56dndPtM8PprsrcRVn-rQ@comcast.com...
Margi Clarke wrote:
Even Bill Clinton is one of them ... a member of a secret Order or
Organization. Oy vey.
He was in the boys and late teens Freemasons in Arkansas [THE ORDER OF
DEMOLAY], which booted him up into the Rhodes scholarship program each
incremental step in the tough competition [only 32 winners
nationally--The Arkansas Committee for the Rhodes Scholoarship at the
time was run by Bill Nash, an active Mason and senior partner at Rose
Law firm -- later they had Clinton appointed Attorney General of
Arkansas -- the CEO of Vulcan Steel of Alabama was on the selection
committee also] and, Bill and Hillary's Rose Law firm in Arkansas,
is/was crawling with Democrat [and Rebublican] Masons.
Let's not be too rough on the Order of DeMolay.
I was inducted when I was 15 (my father was a 32nd degree Mason
until he tendered his demit). At the time I didn't have the
foggiest idea of who Jacques DeMolay was (I do now). Basically it
is just a civic organization for teenage boys. The only time that
much ritual is used is during initiation meetings. The rest of
the time they do get dressed up in the robes, but mostly it is
just a business meeting where they urge members to show up for
car washes, help at fairs, etc. They really don't have any
particular secrets as such and the only thing that I was never
supposed to tell anyone else was the chapter's password
(Fidelitus). It is actually too bad the actual enactment of the
Demolay murder is not viewable by the public for it is actually a
very impressive bit of theater when everyone remembers where they
are supposed to be standing at any given moment.
So, since your father was demitted, did he break his silence on the
conspiracies that some here (Barbarossa and Cuan) keep going on about? As a
32-degree Mason, he must know the satanic truth (heavy sarcasm)! My lowly
3rd degree husband doesn't know anything :) !
You're right. He doesn't.
Jaques de Molay was the head of the Knights Templar. They say he rose
from the dead after being killed, and that he was the second coming of
Christ. Furthermore, they believe the Shroud of Turin was actually
the shroud which enveloped de Molay's body, and not the body of
Christ. Personally, I don't believe either story, although the
evidence would support the former more than the latter. There's a wee
pidly tidbit of superfluous info for you. But I guess you knew it
already - your hubby being a 3rd degree mason and all.
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| User: "kstahl" |
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27 Sep 2004 07:47:18 AM |
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Cuan wrote:
You're right. He doesn't.
Jaques de Molay was the head of the Knights Templar. They say he rose
from the dead after being killed, and that he was the second coming of
Christ. Furthermore, they believe the Shroud of Turin was actually
the shroud which enveloped de Molay's body, and not the body of
Christ. Personally, I don't believe either story, although the
evidence would support the former more than the latter. There's a wee
pidly tidbit of superfluous info for you. But I guess you knew it
already - your hubby being a 3rd degree mason and all.
Let's get the terms right, just so everyone knows. He was the
Grand Master of the Knights Templar as of Friday, October 13,
1307 when King Philip and the Pope conspired to perform a mass
arrest of all Templars. Jacques was immolated in 1314 after a
lengthy imprisonment.
The linkage with the shroud is, at best, extremely tenuous.
Considering that he was burned to death, the image on the shroud
is inconsistent with that form of death.
The De Molay linkage is more important to the Order of DeMolay
then it is to most Masons. There is really no mention of De Molay
in any of the degrees up through Past Master. It is only if the
individual member becomes interested in the origins of Masony
that they learn the tie-ins.
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27 Sep 2004 05:47:13 AM |
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On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 17:24:03 -0400, kstahl <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote:
Margi Clarke wrote:
Even Bill Clinton is one of them ... a member of a secret Order or
Organization. Oy vey.
He was in the boys and late teens Freemasons in Arkansas [THE ORDER OF
DEMOLAY], which booted him up into the Rhodes scholarship program each
incremental step in the tough competition [only 32 winners
nationally--The Arkansas Committee for the Rhodes Scholoarship at the
time was run by Bill Nash, an active Mason and senior partner at Rose
Law firm -- later they had Clinton appointed Attorney General of
Arkansas -- the CEO of Vulcan Steel of Alabama was on the selection
committee also] and, Bill and Hillary's Rose Law firm in Arkansas,
is/was crawling with Democrat [and Rebublican] Masons.
Let's not be too rough on the Order of DeMolay.
I was inducted when I was 15 (my father was a 32nd degree Mason
until he tendered his demit). At the time I didn't have the
foggiest idea of who Jacques DeMolay was (I do now). Basically it
is just a civic organization for teenage boys. The only time that
much ritual is used is during initiation meetings. The rest of
the time they do get dressed up in the robes, but mostly it is
just a business meeting where they urge members to show up for
car washes, help at fairs, etc. They really don't have any
particular secrets as such and the only thing that I was never
supposed to tell anyone else was the chapter's password
(Fidelitus). It is actually too bad the actual enactment of the
Demolay murder is not viewable by the public for it is actually a
very impressive bit of theater when everyone remembers where they
are supposed to be standing at any given moment.
What degree have you personally ascended to?
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| User: "kstahl" |
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27 Sep 2004 07:50:59 AM |
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Cuan wrote:
On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 17:24:03 -0400, kstahl <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote:
Margi Clarke wrote:
Even Bill Clinton is one of them ... a member of a secret Order or
Organization. Oy vey.
He was in the boys and late teens Freemasons in Arkansas [THE ORDER OF
DEMOLAY], which booted him up into the Rhodes scholarship program each
incremental step in the tough competition [only 32 winners
nationally--The Arkansas Committee for the Rhodes Scholoarship at the
time was run by Bill Nash, an active Mason and senior partner at Rose
Law firm -- later they had Clinton appointed Attorney General of
Arkansas -- the CEO of Vulcan Steel of Alabama was on the selection
committee also] and, Bill and Hillary's Rose Law firm in Arkansas,
is/was crawling with Democrat [and Rebublican] Masons.
Let's not be too rough on the Order of DeMolay.
I was inducted when I was 15 (my father was a 32nd degree Mason
until he tendered his demit). At the time I didn't have the
foggiest idea of who Jacques DeMolay was (I do now). Basically it
is just a civic organization for teenage boys. The only time that
much ritual is used is during initiation meetings. The rest of
the time they do get dressed up in the robes, but mostly it is
just a business meeting where they urge members to show up for
car washes, help at fairs, etc. They really don't have any
particular secrets as such and the only thing that I was never
supposed to tell anyone else was the chapter's password
(Fidelitus). It is actually too bad the actual enactment of the
Demolay murder is not viewable by the public for it is actually a
very impressive bit of theater when everyone remembers where they
are supposed to be standing at any given moment.
What degree have you personally ascended to?
In Order of DeMolay there are only two degrees and I had both of
them.
I've never been a Mason however. There is just a lot of
literature available on the subject written by individuals inside
and outside the organization. Even their rituals are documented
fairly well in publicly available documents. Which gets back to
my point that if there are any real secrets in the organization
it goes far beyond the rituals and the outward form of the
organization. So in that sense I only know those things that are
available publicly.
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27 Sep 2004 06:55:06 PM |
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"The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a
conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists."
[J. Edgar Hoover]
"In the face of irrefutable facts and evidence it is only the
/human mind/ that can still deny their veracity."
[R. Richard Cecil]
All of the anti-Illuminati and anti-Masonic sites are bizarre,
but there are reasons behind the strangeness of their writings.
The average mind /cannot/ cope with the realization of the Truth.
I'm sure you have read or heard somewhere that humans only use
3%-5% of their brains capacity. While some may believe this is
due to limitations placed upon them by the "Atlanteans," it
remains undisputed scientific fact. The more you learn the closer
you come to that limitation, and it can cause insanity. Some turn
to religion and begin quoting scripture, some turn to new age
medicine to comfort their minds, and others simply become
paranoid schizophrenics. I'll be frank, this change only occurs
in those that seek all knowledge of the Truth. Those that focus
their efforts on just one aspect do not suffer these extremes.
[Disturbing Fact: Margie Schoedinger was murdered. She was
repeatedly raped by George W. Bush, and eventually filed a
lawsuit against him, but the matter was dropped after her murder.
Parts of her petition to the court sound bizarre, but only due
the effects of drugs and extreme mental stress.]
http://ccweb.co.fort-bend.tx.us/imgcache/civil1986144-1-7.pdf
It is well-known that genius and insanity are infinitely bound
together. Only a very strong mind can handle the knowledge and
continue to fight any encroaching fear or insanity or both. Even
then it takes an extreme discipline of the mind not to begin a
mental breakdown under the stress of the human mind on everything
learned. This one reason is why so many junta agencies are
secretive, though, there are many others.
Fear is the driving force. Fear created by the realization that
you no longer have control of your own life, and that there is
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