Hey, Marv & John ...
I don't know if you have ever watched this series, but tonight's episode
was taken right out of news stories coming out of Iraq. Right down to
kidnapping a woman with an infant, and leaving the infant behind. (The
good guys were the "insurgents", btw ... quite freaky, but well done)
Woods
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09 Oct 2006 03:44:43 PM |
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Woodswun wrote:
Hey, Marv & John ...
I don't know if you have ever watched this series, but tonight's episode
was taken right out of news stories coming out of Iraq. Right down to
kidnapping a woman with an infant, and leaving the infant behind. (The
good guys were the "insurgents", btw ... quite freaky, but well done)
Woods
Yeah, Steven's right, Woods. I hope yer not a Bankee fan. :-)
Sounds like a neat series. I saw Ms. McDonnell on a morning news
program. She spoke as tho it was a very cool, serious program.
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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10 Oct 2006 04:42:09 PM |
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On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 13:44:43 -0700, Uncle Treat wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Hey, Marv & John ...
I don't know if you have ever watched this series, but tonight's episode
was taken right out of news stories coming out of Iraq. Right down to
kidnapping a woman with an infant, and leaving the infant behind. (The
good guys were the "insurgents", btw ... quite freaky, but well done)
Woods
Yeah, Steven's right, Woods. I hope yer not a Bankee fan. :-)
I'm not really much of a sports person, to tell the truth. I'll go to a
baseball game (went to a Yankees game this past summer - first major
league game I've ever been to), but I don't care who wins. I just like to
see good skills displayed.
If I were going to be a "fan" of anything, it would be a hockey team. But,
I'm not a fan of any particular hockey team, either, except maybe at the
Division I college level.
Sounds like a neat series. I saw Ms. McDonnell on a morning news
program. She spoke as tho it was a very cool, serious program.
It's a very different kind of show. It's not something that I'll rewatch,
like SG-1 and Star Trek (and the original BG), but it's very good and
extremely well done.
Woods
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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09 Oct 2006 10:11:47 PM |
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Uncle Treat wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Hey, Marv & John ...
I don't know if you have ever watched this series, but tonight's episode
was taken right out of news stories coming out of Iraq. Right down to
kidnapping a woman with an infant, and leaving the infant behind. (The
good guys were the "insurgents", btw ... quite freaky, but well done)
Woods
Yeah, Steven's right, Woods. I hope yer not a Bankee fan. :-)
Congratulations to the Tigers for being my new favorite team (this
year) for throwing the Bankees (great name) out of the playoffs! I've
had several new favorite teams in the 21st century -- during which the
Bankees (great name, by the way) are zero for six.
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| User: "Uncle Treat" |
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| Title: Re: (OT)Battlestar Gallactica |
10 Oct 2006 08:35:25 AM |
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Steven Douglas wrote:
Congratulations to the Tigers for being my new favorite team (this
year) for throwing the Bankees (great name) out of the playoffs!
My, my, near polar opposites politically find common ground in hatred
for the Yanks.
It doesn't matter who wins the World Series, except for this year, as
long as the Yankees lose. The further they go in the playoffs and then
lose, the better. Except for this year, of course.
I'm forever enamored with the Red Sox not only for what they did to the
Yankees but how they did two years ago. :-)
I've
had several new favorite teams in the 21st century -- during which the
Bankees (great name, by the way) are zero for six.
Hehe. You'd think $975 million could buy you anything. It can't buy
heart.
Like the heart you saw in a very blue collar town last Saturday night
with players sharing champagne with the fans in the stadium. No place
but Detroit.
Well, Steven, I appreciate your support for a team I've loved for 48
years now. It goes beyond that given that my family connection with
Deytwa goes back 150 years.
There is a bit of subversive deep in your soul afterall. Appreciation
for the lower classed little guy showing great heart and overcoming
greedy, manipulative corporate robber barons that seek to pervert our
heritage all that's right and good in America.
There's hope for you afterall. :-)
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| User: "Uncle Treat" |
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| Title: Re: (OT)Battlestar Gallactica |
10 Oct 2006 08:45:11 AM |
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Steven Douglas wrote:
Congratulations to the Tigers for being my new favorite team (this
year) for throwing the Bankees (great name) out of the playoffs!
My, my, near polar opposites politically find common ground in hatred
for the Yanks.
It doesn't matter who wins the World Series, except for this year, as
long as the Yankees lose. The further they go in the playoffs and then
lose, the better. Except for this year, of course.
I'm forever enamored with the Red Sox not only for what they did to the
Yankees but how they did two years ago. :-)
I've
had several new favorite teams in the 21st century -- during which the
Bankees (great name, by the way) are zero for six.
Hehe. You'd think $975 million could buy you anything. It can't buy
heart.
Like the heart you saw in a very blue collar town last Saturday night
with players sharing champagne with the fans in the stadium. No place
but Detroit.
Well, Steven, I appreciate your support for a team I've loved for 48
years now. It goes beyond that given that my family connection with
Deytwa goes back 150 years.
There is a bit of subversive deep in your soul afterall. Appreciation
for the lower classed little guy showing great heart and overcoming
greedy, manipulative corporate robber barons that seek to pervert our
heritage all that's right and good in America.
There's hope for you afterall. :-)
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: (OT)Battlestar Gallactica |
12 Oct 2006 07:16:29 PM |
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Uncle Treat wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Congratulations to the Tigers for being my new favorite team (this
year) for throwing the Bankees (great name) out of the playoffs!
My, my, near polar opposites politically find common ground in hatred
for the Yanks.
It doesn't matter who wins the World Series, except for this year, as
long as the Yankees lose. The further they go in the playoffs and then
lose, the better. Except for this year, of course.
I'm forever enamored with the Red Sox not only for what they did to the
Yankees but how they did two years ago. :-)
I was especially happy for their fans, who finally got a World Series
win after losing in 1967, 1975, and 1986.
I've
had several new favorite teams in the 21st century -- during which the
Bankees (great name, by the way) are zero for six.
Hehe. You'd think $975 million could buy you anything. It can't buy
heart.
Like the heart you saw in a very blue collar town last Saturday night
with players sharing champagne with the fans in the stadium. No place
but Detroit.
Well, Steven, I appreciate your support for a team I've loved for 48
years now. It goes beyond that given that my family connection with
Deytwa goes back 150 years.
There is a bit of subversive deep in your soul afterall. Appreciation
for the lower classed little guy showing great heart and overcoming
greedy, manipulative corporate robber barons that seek to pervert our
heritage all that's right and good in America.
If you actually knew me, you'd know I'm a small business proponent. I
have no love for gigantic corporations. I've had some experience in
dealing with entrepreneurial businesses that were later bought out by
giant corporations. Literally, the hallways go from a friendly,
family-like atmosphere -- to a suddenly cold, impersonal, almost
unfriendly atmosphere as the corporate tension takes hold.
There's hope for you afterall. :-)
Elsewhere on usenet, I've posted my feelings about the new sub-class of
laborers that has been created by the open borders policies of both
Republicans and Democrats. Each party has its own selfish reasons for
wanting to encourage the free flow of labor across our southern border.
The net effect of this overabundance of undocumented labor is that it
holds down wages earned by working class people. And so we see
households (apartments) with 10 or 12 people sharing expenses in order
to make ends meet. And how do the Democrats feel about this? Why, they
love it because they see a whole new generation of dependent Americans
being born into this new sub-class.
I've been waiting for someone to bring up the border issue on this
group, but that topic doesn't seem to be getting much attention here.
The Republicans finally got the message from some of us (I've sent
several emails to the head of the RNC) that the border needs to be
secured. The Republicans are at least making noises that they got the
message, while the Democrats seem to be banking on the winning strategy
of riding the Mark Foley scandal all the way to control of Congress.
And once that happens, the border will remain open for business as
usual, complete with new Democratic voters being born into the new
sub-class.
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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| Title: Re: (OT)Battlestar Gallactica |
12 Oct 2006 07:29:56 PM |
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On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:16:29 -0700, Steven Douglas wrote:
Uncle Treat wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Congratulations to the Tigers for being my new favorite team (this
year) for throwing the Bankees (great name) out of the playoffs!
My, my, near polar opposites politically find common ground in hatred
for the Yanks.
It doesn't matter who wins the World Series, except for this year, as
long as the Yankees lose. The further they go in the playoffs and then
lose, the better. Except for this year, of course.
I'm forever enamored with the Red Sox not only for what they did to the
Yankees but how they did two years ago. :-)
I was especially happy for their fans, who finally got a World Series
win after losing in 1967, 1975, and 1986.
I've
had several new favorite teams in the 21st century -- during which the
Bankees (great name, by the way) are zero for six.
Hehe. You'd think $975 million could buy you anything. It can't buy
heart.
Like the heart you saw in a very blue collar town last Saturday night
with players sharing champagne with the fans in the stadium. No place
but Detroit.
Well, Steven, I appreciate your support for a team I've loved for 48
years now. It goes beyond that given that my family connection with
Deytwa goes back 150 years.
There is a bit of subversive deep in your soul afterall. Appreciation
for the lower classed little guy showing great heart and overcoming
greedy, manipulative corporate robber barons that seek to pervert our
heritage all that's right and good in America.
If you actually knew me, you'd know I'm a small business proponent. I
have no love for gigantic corporations. I've had some experience in
dealing with entrepreneurial businesses that were later bought out by
giant corporations. Literally, the hallways go from a friendly,
family-like atmosphere -- to a suddenly cold, impersonal, almost
unfriendly atmosphere as the corporate tension takes hold.
There's hope for you afterall. :-)
Elsewhere on usenet, I've posted my feelings about the new sub-class of
laborers that has been created by the open borders policies of both
Republicans and Democrats. Each party has its own selfish reasons for
wanting to encourage the free flow of labor across our southern border.
The net effect of this overabundance of undocumented labor is that it
holds down wages earned by working class people. And so we see
households (apartments) with 10 or 12 people sharing expenses in order
to make ends meet. And how do the Democrats feel about this? Why, they
love it because they see a whole new generation of dependent Americans
being born into this new sub-class.
I've been waiting for someone to bring up the border issue on this
group, but that topic doesn't seem to be getting much attention here.
The Republicans finally got the message from some of us (I've sent
several emails to the head of the RNC) that the border needs to be
secured. The Republicans are at least making noises that they got the
message, while the Democrats seem to be banking on the winning strategy
of riding the Mark Foley scandal all the way to control of Congress.
And once that happens, the border will remain open for business as
usual, complete with new Democratic voters being born into the new
sub-class.
The cost of securing the borders against illegal immigrants would be
prohibitive. The reason we have so many illegals coming in is because
it's so difficult to come in legally for the kinds of jobs that Americans
aren't willing to do. Meanwhile, large corporations can put in a call for
hb-1 visas for programmers (who write horrible code, btw) that are lots
cheaper than American/European trained programmers - of which there are
plenty looking for work.
Then there is the issue of lack of stability and depressed economies in
Latin America, and other areas, which makes living 20 to a room in the
U.S. look so attractive.
You seem to think that putting a big old band aid, in the form of a fence,
is going to solve all the problems that you see, and that just ain't the
case, Steven.
Glad to see you're okay. I was a bit concerned that all this negative
press with the Bush administration was getting to you. (I know it would
get to me if I had as much faith in them as you seem to).
Woods
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| User: "John Lemke" |
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| Title: Re: (OT)Battlestar Gallactica |
12 Oct 2006 10:22:39 PM |
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"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.10.13.00.29.55.266496@tepidmail.com...
On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:16:29 -0700, Steven Douglas wrote:
Uncle Treat wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Congratulations to the Tigers for being my new favorite team (this
year) for throwing the Bankees (great name) out of the playoffs!
My, my, near polar opposites politically find common ground in hatred
for the Yanks.
It doesn't matter who wins the World Series, except for this year, as
long as the Yankees lose. The further they go in the playoffs and then
lose, the better. Except for this year, of course.
I'm forever enamored with the Red Sox not only for what they did to the
Yankees but how they did two years ago. :-)
I was especially happy for their fans, who finally got a World Series
win after losing in 1967, 1975, and 1986.
I've
had several new favorite teams in the 21st century -- during which the
Bankees (great name, by the way) are zero for six.
Hehe. You'd think $975 million could buy you anything. It can't buy
heart.
Like the heart you saw in a very blue collar town last Saturday night
with players sharing champagne with the fans in the stadium. No place
but Detroit.
Well, Steven, I appreciate your support for a team I've loved for 48
years now. It goes beyond that given that my family connection with
Deytwa goes back 150 years.
There is a bit of subversive deep in your soul afterall. Appreciation
for the lower classed little guy showing great heart and overcoming
greedy, manipulative corporate robber barons that seek to pervert our
heritage all that's right and good in America.
If you actually knew me, you'd know I'm a small business proponent. I
have no love for gigantic corporations. I've had some experience in
dealing with entrepreneurial businesses that were later bought out by
giant corporations. Literally, the hallways go from a friendly,
family-like atmosphere -- to a suddenly cold, impersonal, almost
unfriendly atmosphere as the corporate tension takes hold.
There's hope for you afterall. :-)
Elsewhere on usenet, I've posted my feelings about the new sub-class of
laborers that has been created by the open borders policies of both
Republicans and Democrats. Each party has its own selfish reasons for
wanting to encourage the free flow of labor across our southern border.
The net effect of this overabundance of undocumented labor is that it
holds down wages earned by working class people. And so we see
households (apartments) with 10 or 12 people sharing expenses in order
to make ends meet. And how do the Democrats feel about this? Why, they
love it because they see a whole new generation of dependent Americans
being born into this new sub-class.
I've been waiting for someone to bring up the border issue on this
group, but that topic doesn't seem to be getting much attention here.
The Republicans finally got the message from some of us (I've sent
several emails to the head of the RNC) that the border needs to be
secured. The Republicans are at least making noises that they got the
message, while the Democrats seem to be banking on the winning strategy
of riding the Mark Foley scandal all the way to control of Congress.
And once that happens, the border will remain open for business as
usual, complete with new Democratic voters being born into the new
sub-class.
The cost of securing the borders against illegal immigrants would be
prohibitive. The reason we have so many illegals coming in is because
it's so difficult to come in legally for the kinds of jobs that Americans
aren't willing to do. Meanwhile, large corporations can put in a call for
hb-1 visas for programmers (who write horrible code, btw) that are lots
cheaper than American/European trained programmers - of which there are
plenty looking for work.
Then there is the issue of lack of stability and depressed economies in
Latin America, and other areas, which makes living 20 to a room in the
U.S. look so attractive.
You seem to think that putting a big old band aid, in the form of a fence,
is going to solve all the problems that you see, and that just ain't the
case, Steven.
Glad to see you're okay. I was a bit concerned that all this negative
press with the Bush administration was getting to you. (I know it would
get to me if I had as much faith in them as you seem to).
Woods
Your turn to nail it on the head, Woods.
Hispanic immigration is good for business. Downward pressure on wages,
upward pressure on profits. It won't matter which party is in power. It
hasn't mattered for the last six years, that's for damn sure.
You've seen a wide disparity between rich and poor in Latin America for
generations. You've seen political and economic repression in Latin America
for generations. The United States Government has been complicit in all
this for generations.
History will repeat itself here in America. The past is prologue. They're
bringing the third world with them. It'll take a little time.
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: (OT)Battlestar Gallactica |
12 Oct 2006 11:28:34 PM |
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John Lemke wrote:
"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.10.13.00.29.55.266496@tepidmail.com...
On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:16:29 -0700, Steven Douglas wrote:
Uncle Treat wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Congratulations to the Tigers for being my new favorite team (this
year) for throwing the Bankees (great name) out of the playoffs!
My, my, near polar opposites politically find common ground in hatred
for the Yanks.
It doesn't matter who wins the World Series, except for this year, as
long as the Yankees lose. The further they go in the playoffs and then
lose, the better. Except for this year, of course.
I'm forever enamored with the Red Sox not only for what they did to the
Yankees but how they did two years ago. :-)
I was especially happy for their fans, who finally got a World Series
win after losing in 1967, 1975, and 1986.
I've
had several new favorite teams in the 21st century -- during which the
Bankees (great name, by the way) are zero for six.
Hehe. You'd think $975 million could buy you anything. It can't buy
heart.
Like the heart you saw in a very blue collar town last Saturday night
with players sharing champagne with the fans in the stadium. No place
but Detroit.
Well, Steven, I appreciate your support for a team I've loved for 48
years now. It goes beyond that given that my family connection with
Deytwa goes back 150 years.
There is a bit of subversive deep in your soul afterall. Appreciation
for the lower classed little guy showing great heart and overcoming
greedy, manipulative corporate robber barons that seek to pervert our
heritage all that's right and good in America.
If you actually knew me, you'd know I'm a small business proponent. I
have no love for gigantic corporations. I've had some experience in
dealing with entrepreneurial businesses that were later bought out by
giant corporations. Literally, the hallways go from a friendly,
family-like atmosphere -- to a suddenly cold, impersonal, almost
unfriendly atmosphere as the corporate tension takes hold.
There's hope for you afterall. :-)
Elsewhere on usenet, I've posted my feelings about the new sub-class of
laborers that has been created by the open borders policies of both
Republicans and Democrats. Each party has its own selfish reasons for
wanting to encourage the free flow of labor across our southern border.
The net effect of this overabundance of undocumented labor is that it
holds down wages earned by working class people. And so we see
households (apartments) with 10 or 12 people sharing expenses in order
to make ends meet. And how do the Democrats feel about this? Why, they
love it because they see a whole new generation of dependent Americans
being born into this new sub-class.
I've been waiting for someone to bring up the border issue on this
group, but that topic doesn't seem to be getting much attention here.
The Republicans finally got the message from some of us (I've sent
several emails to the head of the RNC) that the border needs to be
secured. The Republicans are at least making noises that they got the
message, while the Democrats seem to be banking on the winning strategy
of riding the Mark Foley scandal all the way to control of Congress.
And once that happens, the border will remain open for business as
usual, complete with new Democratic voters being born into the new
sub-class.
The cost of securing the borders against illegal immigrants would be
prohibitive. The reason we have so many illegals coming in is because
it's so difficult to come in legally for the kinds of jobs that Americans
aren't willing to do. Meanwhile, large corporations can put in a call for
hb-1 visas for programmers (who write horrible code, btw) that are lots
cheaper than American/European trained programmers - of which there are
plenty looking for work.
Then there is the issue of lack of stability and depressed economies in
Latin America, and other areas, which makes living 20 to a room in the
U.S. look so attractive.
You seem to think that putting a big old band aid, in the form of a fence,
is going to solve all the problems that you see, and that just ain't the
case, Steven.
Glad to see you're okay. I was a bit concerned that all this negative
press with the Bush administration was getting to you. (I know it would
get to me if I had as much faith in them as you seem to).
Woods
Your turn to nail it on the head, Woods.
Hispanic immigration is good for business. Downward pressure on wages,
So you support businesses hiring undocumented workers at substandard
wages?
upward pressure on profits. It won't matter which party is in power. It
hasn't mattered for the last six years, that's for damn sure.
What year did they stop enforcing the existing laws that prohibit
hiring undocumented workers?
You've seen a wide disparity between rich and poor in Latin America for
generations. You've seen political and economic repression in Latin America
for generations. The United States Government has been complicit in all
this for generations.
I was hopeful that NAFTA would help Mexico solve some of its internal
problems that cause so many of their underclass to cross our border.
History will repeat itself here in America. The past is prologue. They're
bringing the third world with them. It'll take a little time.
Hmm, interesting. So what's your point? It appears you WANT them to
bring the third world with them. You support the idea of creating an
underclass of people who work for substandard wages? It does seem
that's what the Democratic Party supports, doesn't it?
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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12 Oct 2006 11:22:48 PM |
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Woodswun wrote:
On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:16:29 -0700, Steven Douglas wrote:
Uncle Treat wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Congratulations to the Tigers for being my new favorite team (this
year) for throwing the Bankees (great name) out of the playoffs!
My, my, near polar opposites politically find common ground in hatred
for the Yanks.
It doesn't matter who wins the World Series, except for this year, as
long as the Yankees lose. The further they go in the playoffs and then
lose, the better. Except for this year, of course.
I'm forever enamored with the Red Sox not only for what they did to the
Yankees but how they did two years ago. :-)
I was especially happy for their fans, who finally got a World Series
win after losing in 1967, 1975, and 1986.
I've
had several new favorite teams in the 21st century -- during which the
Bankees (great name, by the way) are zero for six.
Hehe. You'd think $975 million could buy you anything. It can't buy
heart.
Like the heart you saw in a very blue collar town last Saturday night
with players sharing champagne with the fans in the stadium. No place
but Detroit.
Well, Steven, I appreciate your support for a team I've loved for 48
years now. It goes beyond that given that my family connection with
Deytwa goes back 150 years.
There is a bit of subversive deep in your soul afterall. Appreciation
for the lower classed little guy showing great heart and overcoming
greedy, manipulative corporate robber barons that seek to pervert our
heritage all that's right and good in America.
If you actually knew me, you'd know I'm a small business proponent. I
have no love for gigantic corporations. I've had some experience in
dealing with entrepreneurial businesses that were later bought out by
giant corporations. Literally, the hallways go from a friendly,
family-like atmosphere -- to a suddenly cold, impersonal, almost
unfriendly atmosphere as the corporate tension takes hold.
There's hope for you afterall. :-)
Elsewhere on usenet, I've posted my feelings about the new sub-class of
laborers that has been created by the open borders policies of both
Republicans and Democrats. Each party has its own selfish reasons for
wanting to encourage the free flow of labor across our southern border.
The net effect of this overabundance of undocumented labor is that it
holds down wages earned by working class people. And so we see
households (apartments) with 10 or 12 people sharing expenses in order
to make ends meet. And how do the Democrats feel about this? Why, they
love it because they see a whole new generation of dependent Americans
being born into this new sub-class.
I've been waiting for someone to bring up the border issue on this
group, but that topic doesn't seem to be getting much attention here.
The Republicans finally got the message from some of us (I've sent
several emails to the head of the RNC) that the border needs to be
secured. The Republicans are at least making noises that they got the
message, while the Democrats seem to be banking on the winning strategy
of riding the Mark Foley scandal all the way to control of Congress.
And once that happens, the border will remain open for business as
usual, complete with new Democratic voters being born into the new
sub-class.
The cost of securing the borders against illegal immigrants would be
prohibitive.
Securing the border is only one part of the answer. The other part is
to enforce existing laws that prohibit the hiring of undocumented
workers.
The reason we have so many illegals coming in is because
it's so difficult to come in legally for the kinds of jobs that Americans
aren't willing to do.
Who did the "jobs that Americans won't do" 30 or 40 years ago, when we
weren't overrun with this overabundance of cheap labor? The wages were
pretty good back then for "jobs that Americans won't do." Today, the
wages for "jobs that Americans won't do" are ridiculously low. Now
wonder Americans won't do those jobs. Instead, we're going to develop
an underclass of cheap laborers who must live in substandard condtions
in order to make ends meet.
Meanwhile, large corporations can put in a call for
hb-1 visas for programmers (who write horrible code, btw) that are lots
cheaper than American/European trained programmers - of which there are
plenty looking for work.
What do the Democrats have to say about that? Do you think bringing in
those programmers has a negative effect on wages/salary of other
programmers who are looking for work? Are the Democrats fighting for
the working man and working woman on this issue?
Then there is the issue of lack of stability and depressed economies in
Latin America, and other areas, which makes living 20 to a room in the
U.S. look so attractive.
The vast majority of undocumented workers are Mexican. By inviting them
to come here the way we do, we do nothing to encourage Mexico to fix
their own problems -- but instead encourage Mexico to export its own
underclass here -- where they earn substandard wages and send much of
it home.
You seem to think that putting a big old band aid, in the form of a fence,
is going to solve all the problems that you see, and that just ain't the
case, Steven.
I don't think I mentioned the fence. I happen to NOT think the fence is
the ONLY answer. But thanks for jumping to that conclusion anyway. I
would like to see existing laws, which prohibit the hiring of
undocumented workers, enforced.
Glad to see you're okay. I was a bit concerned that all this negative
press with the Bush administration was getting to you. (I know it
would get to me if I had as much faith in them as you seem to).
Thanks for your concern, but I don't let Presidenial politics affect my
own basic personal happiness. As I said two years ago when it looked
like Kerry was on his way to a big win, I would have been just fine
with a Kerry win. My life would have gone on exactly the same with
Kerry as President. Who or who is not President does not affect my
daily life. And now the big Democratic takeover of Congress is looming
on the horizon, due mainly to the Democratic Party's good postive plan
to ride Mark Foley's scandal all the way to victory.
And once again, my life will go on just fine when the Democrats take
over -- though I wish they would do something to protect the working
man and working woman, whose wages are being destroyed by this
overabundance of cheap labor. And the problem is that existing law
COULD be enforced if there was a will to enforce it. But I don't expect
the Democrats to worry about the working man's or working woman's
wages. They seem to have given up on that proposition some time ago.
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13 Oct 2006 06:10:42 PM |
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On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:22:48 -0700, Steven Douglas wrote:
Securing the border is only one part of the answer. The other part is
to enforce existing laws that prohibit the hiring of undocumented
workers.
Yes, that's exactly right. There's currently no incentive for the federal
government to penalize large corporations that hire undocomented
workers.
The other side of that coin is making it easier for people to become
documented in the first place. It's ridiculously difficult to get
documentation for anything so simple as coming in temporarily to pick
apples for a few weeks.
The reason we have so many illegals coming in is because it's so
difficult to come in legally for the kinds of jobs that Americans
aren't willing to do.
Who did the "jobs that Americans won't do" 30 or 40 years ago, when we
weren't overrun with this overabundance of cheap labor? The wages were
pretty good back then for "jobs that Americans won't do." Today, the
wages for "jobs that Americans won't do" are ridiculously low. Now
wonder Americans won't do those jobs. Instead, we're going to develop an
underclass of cheap laborers who must live in substandard condtions in
order to make ends meet.
You are mistaken, wages were NOT "pretty good" for those jobs way back
when. The living standards of those workers would get kids taken away by
Social Services today.
Meanwhile, large corporations can put in a call for hb-1 visas for
programmers (who write horrible code, btw) that are lots cheaper than
American/European trained programmers - of which there are plenty
looking for work.
What do the Democrats have to say about that? Do you think bringing in
those programmers has a negative effect on wages/salary of other
programmers who are looking for work? Are the Democrats fighting for the
working man and working woman on this issue?
Nope, and it ticks me off that they spent darned near the entire 90s on
MonicaGate instead of paying attention to stuff like this, that matters.
Then there is the issue of lack of stability and depressed economies in
Latin America, and other areas, which makes living 20 to a room in the
U.S. look so attractive.
The vast majority of undocumented workers are Mexican. By inviting them
to come here the way we do, we do nothing to encourage Mexico to fix
their own problems -- but instead encourage Mexico to export its own
underclass here -- where they earn substandard wages and send much of it
home.
Are we inviting anyone here? I don't think so!
You seem to think that putting a big old band aid, in the form of a
fence, is going to solve all the problems that you see, and that just
ain't the case, Steven.
I don't think I mentioned the fence. I happen to NOT think the fence is
the ONLY answer. But thanks for jumping to that conclusion anyway. I
would like to see existing laws, which prohibit the hiring of
undocumented workers, enforced.
Agreed. But we also need to make it simpler for people to become
documented in the first place.
Glad to see you're okay. I was a bit concerned that all this negative
press with the Bush administration was getting to you. (I know it
would get to me if I had as much faith in them as you seem to).
Thanks for your concern, but I don't let Presidenial politics affect my
own basic personal happiness. As I said two years ago when it looked
like Kerry was on his way to a big win, I would have been just fine with
a Kerry win. My life would have gone on exactly the same with Kerry as
President. Who or who is not President does not affect my daily life.
And now the big Democratic takeover of Congress is looming on the
horizon, due mainly to the Democratic Party's good postive plan to ride
Mark Foley's scandal all the way to victory.
And once again, my life will go on just fine when the Democrats take
over -- though I wish they would do something to protect the working man
and working woman, whose wages are being destroyed by this overabundance
of cheap labor. And the problem is that existing law COULD be enforced
if there was a will to enforce it. But I don't expect the Democrats to
worry about the working man's or working woman's wages. They seem to
have given up on that proposition some time ago.
Yep.
Woods
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06 Oct 2006 10:13:00 PM |
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Woodswun wrote:
Hey, Marv & John ...
I don't know if you have ever watched this series, but tonight's episode
was taken right out of news stories coming out of Iraq. Right down to
kidnapping a woman with an infant, and leaving the infant behind. (The
good guys were the "insurgents", btw ... quite freaky, but well done)
I think John's watching a very important baseball game.
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