"Cuan" <an@nymous.co.za> wrote in message
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On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 20:23:45 -0400, Marvin The Paranoid Android
<marv@HeartOfGold.com> wrote:

On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 22:48:58 GMT, Woodswun overjoyed me with this news:

In article <kiqse0dp48q865pvci3glh0na4ormecpcq@4ax.com>, Cuan

<an@nymous.co.za> wrote:

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 23:29:43 GMT,

In article <20040708033634.04880.00000791@mb-m24.aol.com>,

tonyz2001@aol.com

(TonyZ2001) wrote:

So much for freedom of speech under Liberal government.

Sweden isn't in the United States, Tony - AFAIK, they don't have the

right to

Freedom of Speech so the law can restrict their speech in any manner

it sees

fit.

Why do you think Americans value it so much?!?

Woods

erm...the US is not the only nation that has freedom of
speech...that's if they even still have that.

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that no other country has the right to

Freedom of

Speech. From the article, it appears that Sweden does not guarantee

that as a

right, though, as I'm sure other countries also do not, but I don't

know how

many are in that category.

Woods

Inciting hatred I believe is one of the standard limits to free speech

in

most countries. Since he was a preacher and not just some shmuck

spouting

off on a corner, the rules are likely applied less liberally.

In SA it is termed 'hate-speech' and is highly illegal too. It is one
of the few exceptions to our freedom of speech provision.

In this case, freedom of expression has to be measured against the
possibility of generating more hate crimes against a minority. The pastor
is in a position of responsibility to his religion and is spouting a
position which isn't doctrinally supported by Jesus speaking against
homosexuality. Jesus's own quoted words never condemned homosexuality, but
some authors in the Bible did. Where they got their attitude against it,
one wonders. God, in handing down the Ten Commandments to Moses, didn't
include it as an 11th Commandment.

I wish I could hear Christians, in a breath of fresh air of honesty, just
tell us that they don't personally accept homosexuality, and admit the
real possibility of human bias polluting the Bible. But, noooooo, it all
has to be the word of God supporting their acts of oppression. No chance
at all of discrimination by ignorant, hateful believers millenia
ago...naaaah, just not possible, they say.

The startling difference between the New Testament and its much less
condemning and less judgmental attitude, and the fiery Old Testament with
its very judgmental and Jehovah-ordered mass bloodshed is a continuing
source of debate among scholars. God seems to have dramatically changed
his personality.

When I was teen in the 1960s, I used to hear evangelists refer to the
"drugged long hairs" with their "effeminate" demeanor and their
embracement of Eastern religion. Even rock music and civil rights
protestors were suspected of being communistic and/or satanic. As a
Presbyterian, I would puzzle over this attitude as a teen. Now decades
later, and no longer a Christian, I still puzzle over it but have pretty
much concluded that religion is the santuary of ill and stupid minds which
become initially attracted due to a littany of deep fears and hatreds.

"God's Word" becomes a convenient powerful weapon of sorts in peoples'
inner wars against all they can't or won't understand or accept in others.
Of course, they're admonished by Jesus and God to love their enemies, not
make more of them. There's this painful dichotomy between the eloquent
simplicity of their doctrine which rings mostly true, and the muddled dark
swamp of their subconscious and conscious existence.
Dr. Blunt -------Serving the Usenet's mentally ill since 1998.

http://www.askwhy.co.uk/questioningbelief/005Homosexuality.html
Christians refuse to acknowledge that we are learning things that were not
known in biblical times. They could not therefore appear in the bible,
whether inspired by the Holy Ghost or not. Researchers have found that one
in twenty infant boys become homosexuals, and that where homosexual men
have children by a heterosexual alliance, their children are more likely
to be homosexual. Similarly, identical twins are highly likely to have the
same sexual inclinations either way. The homosexual trait is therefore in
the genes, and ought indeed to die out over time if homosexuals are not
forced to pretend to be heterosexuals and have children. If it did not
thus die out, then the homosexual gene must be being formed by mutation at
a regular rate keeping the proportion of homosexuals constant in the
population. For Christians, this can mean nothing other than that God is
providing for homosexuality to exist in the population, and the attempts
of dolts and bigots to suppress it is like all eugenic cruelties-futile.
It is the opposite of the teachings of the Christian God:
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other
commandment greater than these.
Mark 12:31
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Matthew 19:19; 22:39
Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy
soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind, and thy neighbour
as thyself.
Luke 10:27; cf Mark 12:33
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Romans 13:9; Galatians 5:14; James 2:8; Leviticus 19:18

The placing in conjunction of the two commandments equates them. It means
that no man who claims to love God can not love his neighbour as himself,
and those who love their neighbour as themselves are proving that they
love God. The Christian Testament is clear enough about it:

If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar, for he
that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he
hath not seen? And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth
God love his brother also.
1 John 4:18

It is hard to understand how Christians, supposedly devout ones, can
disengage these two commandments and go about hating their neighbours
while claiming to love God. They obviously think God does not notice. They
create God in their own image-as an idiot!

"Hans D. Magnusson" <hd@home.se> wrote in message

I've seen it before. It's your kind that kills our country.

My kind...and what exactly is "my kind" Hasse?

I'm not into
glitter and glamour. I just want to decide for myself.

Decide what? You can move to America any time you feel like it! If
that's what you want to do then do it. No-one's stopping you.

Don't tell me what to
think, please.

I didn't tell you what to think. I'm telling you to think about what
you say before you go blaming particular sections of society for all
it's ailments. That's the easy way out. That's what the pantyboy's of
this world do. It's very easy to lay blame elsewhere and particularly
on weaker members of society.

Do you still think we are miles ahead when it comes to taking
care of the sick? Well, you don't read the papers, do you?

Oh I do. The problems in the health service are completely due to
incompetent politicians and civil servants. It has absolutely nothing
to do with immigrants.
And even with the health crisis, everyone has total access to it.
Priorities are made, just like everywhere else. But there is
absolutely no chance of anyone being refused health care if they need
it. As I said, the speed at which it's administered is directly
proportional to how acute the situation is.

And, as you all
can see, when somebody is telling the truth, he's a racist over here.

You are a racist if you blame all the countries ailments on
immigrants. That's the doctrine of sverigedemokraterna and other
racist groups. There's no truth in it at all. One of the biggest
problems in this country is that it has advanced so far, health
care-wise in the last forty years or so, that people are living much
longer and hence more people depending on the pension system...there
are not enough young people to support it...pensions are paid by us
taxpayers...you do know that don't you?

Nobody
believes that a few years of the Bildt regime destroyed our country. But
maybe you haven't read what Kjell-Olof Feldt wrote. You're out of time,
bollogs.

No I didn't read what Kjell-Olof Feldt wrote! But I have seen people
debate it on the telly and read about it in the newspapers. I wouldn't
take the opinions of one person, even a former finance minister, to be
the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. There are lots
of different reasons for problems in any country...blaming it all on
immigrants or on particular sections of society is just a cop-out. The
easy way out.

Det är alldeles för bekvämt att göra det istället för att identifiera
och tackla de riktiga orsakerna!

WH

Hans D. Magnusson wrote:

Do you still think we are miles ahead when it comes to taking
care of the sick?

Ya see Hans, what you're missing is that in America, you might get into
hospital quicker, but only if you have the money... if you don't got the
money, you don't get the treatment. In Sweden, even if you have
absolutely nothing, you will eventually get medical treatment through
the public system.