Neocons just won't quit. Exactly how much more time and effort should
we put into shooting down their lies and mischaracterizations? For as
long as we enjoy making fools of them by simply stating the facts.
It won't change the behavior of these freaks and their hacks. It'll
just increase the contrast between we sane folks and the blind
murderous ideologues out there.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20070406/iraq-pentagon-intelligence
WASHINGTON - Vice President ***** Cheney repeated his assertions of al-
Qaida links to Saddam Hussein's Iraq on Thursday as the Defense
Department released a report citing more evidence that the prewar
government did not cooperate with the terrorist group.
Cheney contended that al-Qaida was operating in Iraq before the March
2003 invasion led by U.S. forces and that terrorist Abu Musab al-
Zarqawi was leading the Iraqi branch of al-Qaida. Others in al-Qaida
planned the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
"He took up residence there before we ever launched into Iraq,
organized the al-Qaida operations inside Iraq before we even arrived
on the scene and then, of course, led the charge for Iraq until we
killed him last June," Cheney told radio host Rush Limbaugh during an
interview. "As I say, they were present before we invaded Iraq."
However, a declassified Pentagon report released Thursday said that
interrogations of the deposed Iraqi leader and two of his former aides
as well as seized Iraqi documents confirmed that the terrorist
organization and the Saddam government were not working together
before the invasion.
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| User: "Marvin The Paranoid Android" |
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| Title: Re: Policymaking via (ongoing) delusion |
08 Apr 2007 11:07:48 AM |
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On Apr 8, 10:01 am, "John Lemke" <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
Neocons just won't quit. Exactly how much more time and effort should
we put into shooting down their lies and mischaracterizations? For as
long as we enjoy making fools of them by simply stating the facts.
It won't change the behavior of these freaks and their hacks. It'll
just increase the contrast between we sane folks and the blind
murderous ideologues out there.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20070406/iraq-pentagon-intel...
WASHINGTON - Vice President ***** Cheney repeated his assertions of al-
Qaida links to Saddam Hussein's Iraq on Thursday as the Defense
Department released a report citing more evidence that the prewar
government did not cooperate with the terrorist group.
Cheney contended that al-Qaida was operating in Iraq before the March
2003 invasion led by U.S. forces and that terrorist Abu Musab al-
Zarqawi was leading the Iraqi branch of al-Qaida. Others in al-Qaida
planned the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
"He took up residence there before we ever launched into Iraq,
organized the al-Qaida operations inside Iraq before we even arrived
on the scene and then, of course, led the charge for Iraq until we
killed him last June," Cheney told radio host Rush Limbaugh during an
interview. "As I say, they were present before we invaded Iraq."
However, a declassified Pentagon report released Thursday said that
interrogations of the deposed Iraqi leader and two of his former aides
as well as seized Iraqi documents confirmed that the terrorist
organization and the Saddam government were not working together
before the invasion.
Cheney should be committed -- or have anti-psychotic meds forced down
his throat until quits hallucinating.
Cheers!
-- Marvie
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| User: "John Lemke" |
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| Title: Re: Policymaking via (ongoing) delusion |
08 Apr 2007 11:41:38 AM |
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On Apr 8, 12:07 pm, "Marvin The Paranoid Android"
<marvinparanoidandr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 8, 10:01 am, "John Lemke" <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
Neocons just won't quit. Exactly how much more time and effort should
we put into shooting down their lies and mischaracterizations? For as
long as we enjoy making fools of them by simply stating the facts.
It won't change the behavior of these freaks and their hacks. It'll
just increase the contrast between we sane folks and the blind
murderous ideologues out there.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20070406/iraq-pentagon-intel...
WASHINGTON - Vice President ***** Cheney repeated his assertions of al-
Qaida links to Saddam Hussein's Iraq on Thursday as the Defense
Department released a report citing more evidence that the prewar
government did not cooperate with the terrorist group.
Cheney contended that al-Qaida was operating in Iraq before the March
2003 invasion led by U.S. forces and that terrorist Abu Musab al-
Zarqawi was leading the Iraqi branch of al-Qaida. Others in al-Qaida
planned the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
"He took up residence there before we ever launched into Iraq,
organized the al-Qaida operations inside Iraq before we even arrived
on the scene and then, of course, led the charge for Iraq until we
killed him last June," Cheney told radio host Rush Limbaugh during an
interview. "As I say, they were present before we invaded Iraq."
However, a declassified Pentagon report released Thursday said that
interrogations of the deposed Iraqi leader and two of his former aides
as well as seized Iraqi documents confirmed that the terrorist
organization and the Saddam government were not working together
before the invasion.
Cheney should be committed -- or have anti-psychotic meds forced down
his throat until quits hallucinating.
Cheers!
-- Marvie
Agreed. But forced institutionalization and thus forced meds should
have happened before March 2003.
What you have Cheney doing now is the same thing he and his brothers
were doing after the 9/11 attacks. Mischaracterizing the facts, now
widely accepted facts, facts supported by our own Pentagon, and
scaring the American public into supporting an imperial agenda.
The Bush Administration's public assessment of the Iraqi "threat"
prior to 9/11 turned out to be accurate. No WMD, no connection to Al
Queda, no threat to us or the region and, of course, the sanctions
were working. The significance of the latter case is that there was
little fear that Saddam would be able to transport 400 truckloads of
yellowcake from Niger into Iraq even if he was intent on acquiring it.
For some reason Bush Foreign Policy became "delusional" post 9/11.
Anyone care to guess why?
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| User: "WH" |
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| Title: Re: Policymaking via (ongoing) delusion |
08 Apr 2007 12:42:26 PM |
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On 8 Apr, 18:41, "John Lemke" <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
On Apr 8, 12:07 pm, "Marvin The Paranoid Android"
<marvinparanoidandr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 8, 10:01 am, "John Lemke" <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
Neocons just won't quit. Exactly how much more time and effort should
we put into shooting down their lies and mischaracterizations? For as
long as we enjoy making fools of them by simply stating the facts.
It won't change the behavior of these freaks and their hacks. It'll
just increase the contrast between we sane folks and the blind
murderous ideologues out there.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20070406/iraq-pentagon-intel.=
..=2E
WASHINGTON - Vice President ***** Cheney repeated his assertions of al-
Qaida links to Saddam Hussein's Iraq on Thursday as the Defense
Department released a report citing more evidence that the prewar
government did not cooperate with the terrorist group.
Cheney contended that al-Qaida was operating in Iraq before the March
2003 invasion led by U.S. forces and that terrorist Abu Musab al-
Zarqawi was leading the Iraqi branch of al-Qaida. Others in al-Qaida
planned the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
"He took up residence there before we ever launched into Iraq,
organized the al-Qaida operations inside Iraq before we even arrived
on the scene and then, of course, led the charge for Iraq until we
killed him last June," Cheney told radio host Rush Limbaugh during an
interview. "As I say, they were present before we invaded Iraq."
However, a declassified Pentagon report released Thursday said that
interrogations of the deposed Iraqi leader and two of his former aides
as well as seized Iraqi documents confirmed that the terrorist
organization and the Saddam government were not working together
before the invasion.
Cheney should be committed -- or have anti-psychotic meds forced down
his throat until quits hallucinating.
Cheers!
-- Marvie
Agreed. But forced institutionalization and thus forced meds should
have happened before March 2003.
What you have Cheney doing now is the same thing he and his brothers
were doing after the 9/11 attacks. Mischaracterizing the facts, now
widely accepted facts, facts supported by our own Pentagon, and
scaring the American public into supporting an imperial agenda.
The Bush Administration's public assessment of the Iraqi "threat"
prior to 9/11 turned out to be accurate. No WMD, no connection to Al
Queda, no threat to us or the region and, of course, the sanctions
were working. The significance of the latter case is that there was
little fear that Saddam would be able to transport 400 truckloads of
yellowcake from Niger into Iraq even if he was intent on acquiring it.
For some reason Bush Foreign Policy became "delusional" post 9/11.
Anyone care to guess why?- D=F6lj citerad text -
Oil?
WH
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| User: "John Lemke" |
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| Title: Re: Policymaking via (ongoing) delusion |
08 Apr 2007 10:15:16 PM |
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On Apr 8, 1:42 pm, "WH" <boll...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 8 Apr, 18:41, "John Lemke" <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
On Apr 8, 12:07 pm, "Marvin The Paranoid Android"
<marvinparanoidandr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 8, 10:01 am, "John Lemke" <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
Neocons just won't quit. Exactly how much more time and effort sho=
uld
we put into shooting down their lies and mischaracterizations? For=
as
long as we enjoy making fools of them by simply stating the facts.
It won't change the behavior of these freaks and their hacks. It'll
just increase the contrast between we sane folks and the blind
murderous ideologues out there.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20070406/iraq-pentagon-inte=
l=2E..
WASHINGTON - Vice President ***** Cheney repeated his assertions of =
al-
Qaida links to Saddam Hussein's Iraq on Thursday as the Defense
Department released a report citing more evidence that the prewar
government did not cooperate with the terrorist group.
Cheney contended that al-Qaida was operating in Iraq before the Mar=
ch
2003 invasion led by U.S. forces and that terrorist Abu Musab al-
Zarqawi was leading the Iraqi branch of al-Qaida. Others in al-Qaida
planned the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
"He took up residence there before we ever launched into Iraq,
organized the al-Qaida operations inside Iraq before we even arrived
on the scene and then, of course, led the charge for Iraq until we
killed him last June," Cheney told radio host Rush Limbaugh during =
an
interview. "As I say, they were present before we invaded Iraq."
However, a declassified Pentagon report released Thursday said that
interrogations of the deposed Iraqi leader and two of his former ai=
des
as well as seized Iraqi documents confirmed that the terrorist
organization and the Saddam government were not working together
before the invasion.
Cheney should be committed -- or have anti-psychotic meds forced down
his throat until quits hallucinating.
Cheers!
-- Marvie
Agreed. But forced institutionalization and thus forced meds should
have happened before March 2003.
What you have Cheney doing now is the same thing he and his brothers
were doing after the 9/11 attacks. Mischaracterizing the facts, now
widely accepted facts, facts supported by our own Pentagon, and
scaring the American public into supporting an imperial agenda.
The Bush Administration's public assessment of the Iraqi "threat"
prior to 9/11 turned out to be accurate. No WMD, no connection to Al
Queda, no threat to us or the region and, of course, the sanctions
were working. The significance of the latter case is that there was
little fear that Saddam would be able to transport 400 truckloads of
yellowcake from Niger into Iraq even if he was intent on acquiring it.
For some reason Bush Foreign Policy became "delusional" post 9/11.
Anyone care to guess why?- D=F6lj citerad text -
Oil?
WH
Yup. :-)
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: Policymaking via (ongoing) delusion |
08 Apr 2007 11:27:59 PM |
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On Apr 8, 8:15 pm, "John Lemke" <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
On Apr 8, 1:42 pm, "WH" <boll...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 8 Apr, 18:41, "John Lemke" <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
On Apr 8, 12:07 pm, "Marvin The Paranoid Android"
<marvinparanoidandr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 8, 10:01 am, "John Lemke" <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
Neocons just won't quit. Exactly how much more time and effort s=
hould
we put into shooting down their lies and mischaracterizations? F=
or as
long as we enjoy making fools of them by simply stating the facts.
It won't change the behavior of these freaks and their hacks. It=
'll
just increase the contrast between we sane folks and the blind
murderous ideologues out there.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20070406/iraq-pentagon-in=
tel...
WASHINGTON - Vice President ***** Cheney repeated his assertions o=
f al-
Qaida links to Saddam Hussein's Iraq on Thursday as the Defense
Department released a report citing more evidence that the prewar
government did not cooperate with the terrorist group.
Cheney contended that al-Qaida was operating in Iraq before the M=
arch
2003 invasion led by U.S. forces and that terrorist Abu Musab al-
Zarqawi was leading the Iraqi branch of al-Qaida. Others in al-Qa=
ida
planned the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
"He took up residence there before we ever launched into Iraq,
organized the al-Qaida operations inside Iraq before we even arri=
ved
on the scene and then, of course, led the charge for Iraq until we
killed him last June," Cheney told radio host Rush Limbaugh durin=
g an
interview. "As I say, they were present before we invaded Iraq."
However, a declassified Pentagon report released Thursday said th=
at
interrogations of the deposed Iraqi leader and two of his former =
aides
as well as seized Iraqi documents confirmed that the terrorist
organization and the Saddam government were not working together
before the invasion.
Cheney should be committed -- or have anti-psychotic meds forced do=
wn
his throat until quits hallucinating.
Cheers!
-- Marvie
Agreed. But forced institutionalization and thus forced meds should
have happened before March 2003.
What you have Cheney doing now is the same thing he and his brothers
were doing after the 9/11 attacks. Mischaracterizing the facts, now
widely accepted facts, facts supported by our own Pentagon, and
scaring the American public into supporting an imperial agenda.
The Bush Administration's public assessment of the Iraqi "threat"
prior to 9/11 turned out to be accurate. No WMD, no connection to Al
Queda, no threat to us or the region and, of course, the sanctions
were working. The significance of the latter case is that there was
little fear that Saddam would be able to transport 400 truckloads of
yellowcake from Niger into Iraq even if he was intent on acquiring it.
For some reason Bush Foreign Policy became "delusional" post 9/11.
Anyone care to guess why?- D=F6lj citerad text -
Oil?
WH
Yup. :-)
What's it like to live in a country that you hate?
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| User: "Perseid" |
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| Title: Re: Policymaking via (ongoing) delusion |
09 Apr 2007 02:32:02 AM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
The Bush Administration's public assessment of the Iraqi "threat"
prior to 9/11 turned out to be accurate. No WMD, no connection to Al
Queda, no threat to us or the region and, of course, the sanctions
were working. The significance of the latter case is that there was
little fear that Saddam would be able to transport 400 truckloads of
yellowcake from Niger into Iraq even if he was intent on acquiring it.
For some reason Bush Foreign Policy became "delusional" post 9/11.
Anyone care to guess why?- Dölj citerad text -
Oil?
WH
Yup. :-)
What's it like to live in a country that you hate?
You would know that better than any of us stevie.. and
all that Iraqi oil won't be going to Iraqis as long as
US troops are there. By selfishly insisting on continued
occupation of Iraq, you're guaranteeing continued violence.
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: Policymaking via (ongoing) delusion |
09 Apr 2007 07:49:51 AM |
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On Apr 9, 12:32 am, Perseid <eidp...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dste...@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
The Bush Administration's public assessment of the Iraqi "threat"
prior to 9/11 turned out to be accurate. No WMD, no connection to=
Al
Queda, no threat to us or the region and, of course, the sanctions
were working. The significance of the latter case is that there w=
as
little fear that Saddam would be able to transport 400 truckloads =
of
yellowcake from Niger into Iraq even if he was intent on acquiring=
it.
For some reason Bush Foreign Policy became "delusional" post 9/11.
Anyone care to guess why?- D=F6lj citerad text -
Oil?
WH
Yup. :-)
What's it like to live in a country that you hate?
You would know that better than any of us stevie.. and
all that Iraqi oil won't be going to Iraqis as long as
US troops are there.
Oil revenue is already going to the Iraqi government. But don't let a
fact get in the way of your emotionally held beliefs.
By selfishly insisting on continued
occupation of Iraq, you're guaranteeing continued violence.
What do you think would happen in Iraq if the Democratic Party cut off
funds and instituted an immediate withdrawal of our troops?
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| User: "Perseid" |
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| Title: Re: Policymaking via (ongoing) delusion |
10 Apr 2007 02:51:45 AM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
On Apr 9, 12:32 am, Perseid <eidp...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dste...@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
The Bush Administration's public assessment of the Iraqi
"threat"
prior to 9/11 turned out to be accurate. No WMD, no connection
to
Al
Queda, no threat to us or the region and, of course, the
sanctions
were working. The significance of the latter case is that there
w
as
little fear that Saddam would be able to transport 400
truckloads
of
yellowcake from Niger into Iraq even if he was intent on
acquiring
it.
For some reason Bush Foreign Policy became "delusional" post
9/11.
Anyone care to guess why?- Dölj citerad text -
Oil?
WH
Yup. :-)
What's it like to live in a country that you hate?
You would know that better than any of us stevie.. and
all that Iraqi oil won't be going to Iraqis as long as
US troops are there.
Oil revenue is already going to the Iraqi government. But don't let a
fact get in the way of your emotionally held beliefs.
By selfishly insisting on continued
occupation of Iraq, you're guaranteeing continued violence.
What do you think would happen in Iraq if the Democratic Party cut off
funds and instituted an immediate withdrawal of our troops?
You mean like what is about to happen ? Let's wait and find out.
We already know what happens when you foolishly invade and
occupy other countries. Let's take another tack and see how
it works out.
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| User: "WH" |
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| Title: Re: Policymaking via (ongoing) delusion |
10 Apr 2007 04:44:22 AM |
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On Apr 9, 2:49 pm, "Steven Douglas" <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 9, 12:32 am, Perseid <eidp...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dste...@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
The Bush Administration's public assessment of the Iraqi "threat"
prior to 9/11 turned out to be accurate. No WMD, no connection =
to Al
Queda, no threat to us or the region and, of course, the sanctio=
ns
were working. The significance of the latter case is that there=
was
little fear that Saddam would be able to transport 400 truckload=
s of
yellowcake from Niger into Iraq even if he was intent on acquiri=
ng it.
For some reason Bush Foreign Policy became "delusional" post 9/1=
1=2E
Anyone care to guess why?- D=F6lj citerad text -
Oil?
WH
Yup. :-)
What's it like to live in a country that you hate?
You would know that better than any of us stevie.. and
all that Iraqi oil won't be going to Iraqis as long as
US troops are there.
Oil revenue is already going to the Iraqi government. But don't let a
fact get in the way of your emotionally held beliefs.
Let us know when it starts going to the Iraqi people will ya. It used
to do that, before the yanks stuck their noses in there. Free
education, health care...all paid for by the oil.
By selfishly insisting on continued
occupation of Iraq, you're guaranteeing continued violence.
What do you think would happen in Iraq if the Democratic Party cut off
funds and instituted an immediate withdrawal of our troops?- Hide quoted =
text -
Civil war, but hell there's a civil war now so what's the difference.
What they need is a strong brutal dictator to keep them from killing
each other!
WH
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: Policymaking via (ongoing) delusion |
10 Apr 2007 08:33:01 AM |
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On Apr 10, 2:44 am, "WH" <boll...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 9, 2:49 pm, "Steven Douglas" <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 9, 12:32 am, Perseid <eidp...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dste...@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
The Bush Administration's public assessment of the Iraqi "thre=
at"
prior to 9/11 turned out to be accurate. No WMD, no connectio=
n to Al
Queda, no threat to us or the region and, of course, the sanct=
ions
were working. The significance of the latter case is that the=
re was
little fear that Saddam would be able to transport 400 trucklo=
ads of
yellowcake from Niger into Iraq even if he was intent on acqui=
ring it.
For some reason Bush Foreign Policy became "delusional" post 9=
/11.
Anyone care to guess why?- D=F6lj citerad text -
Oil?
WH
Yup. :-)
What's it like to live in a country that you hate?
You would know that better than any of us stevie.. and
all that Iraqi oil won't be going to Iraqis as long as
US troops are there.
Oil revenue is already going to the Iraqi government. But don't let a
fact get in the way of your emotionally held beliefs.
Let us know when it starts going to the Iraqi people will ya. It used
to do that, before the yanks stuck their noses in there. Free
education, health care...all paid for by the oil.
You're insane. Thousands of Iraqis were dying every month prior to the
invasion due to the corrupt UN Oil for Food program, which allowed
Saddam to syphon off oil money intended for the Iraqi people, and
build his grand palaces with that money instead. Stop with the
fantasies about Saddam being some benevolent leader. It makes you look
stupid.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: Policymaking via (ongoing) delusion |
10 Apr 2007 04:27:53 PM |
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"Steven Douglas" <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
You're insane. Thousands of Iraqis were dying
every month prior to the invasion due to the
corrupt UN Oil for Food program,
That's bull. There were great hardships, yes, but
the effects were greatly exaggerated... HUGELY
exaggerated.
Saddam wanted the sanctions removed. That was his
agenda. The worse he could make out the sanctions
to be, the better he saw his case for removing them
to be.
The war mongers wanted to move in. We know that.
Richard Perle, Wolwowitz & Co. wrote up their plans
for the war AT LEAST as early as 1998, and NUMEROUS
Bush insiders admitted that talk of war with Iraq
began in the first months of the administration. The
worse the warmongers could make things out in Iraq,
the greater the need (in their minds) to invade and
depose Saddam.
The anti-American crowd masturbated at the thought
of thousands slaughtered by the cruel, yankee imposed
sanctions.
Heck, even the agendas of pacifists & socialist were
served by sanction myths. After all, it was *The*
*People* suffering -- dying by the gazzilions -- while
the leaders played their games!
Anyhow, with everyone's agenda served by a huge body
count, we got a lot of ***** reports.
My favorite has to be the "Sanctions wouldn't allow
hypodermic needles" myth, which I've read of countless
times. The truth is that Every. Single. Last. One. of
those reports was based on a single incident were
hypodermic needles were held up (admittedly for a very
long time, like a month or so). But...
THAT WAS OVER A TEN YEAR PERIOD!
So ONE shipment was held up over red tape & in fighting
over a ten year period, and that was morphed into
millions of deaths because the sanctions allowed medicine
but didn't allow hypodermic needles.
Fact is, there was great suffering in Iraq following the
first Gulf war (Bush War I). But, most of the reported
deaths were associated with refugees. Not an unusual
situation, as refugees are primarily associated with, oh,
MOVING AWAY from communications... transportation...
distribution... you know, the places were fighting takes
place.
The true, long-term hardship inflicted on the Iraqi people
was not sanction-imposed death, but the resulting
degragation of what was the Arab world's finest education
and medical system. Iraq before "Bush War I" had the
finest healthcare system, the best education & the highest
literacy rate in the Arab world. With the sanctions in
place Iraq slipped to the level of their neighbors (which
is pretty pathetic).
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| User: "WH" |
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| Title: Re: Policymaking via (ongoing) delusion |
10 Apr 2007 10:01:09 AM |
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On 10 Apr, 15:33, "Steven Douglas" <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 10, 2:44 am, "WH" <boll...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 9, 2:49 pm, "Steven Douglas" <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 9, 12:32 am, Perseid <eidp...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dste...@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
The Bush Administration's public assessment of the Iraqi "th=
reat"
prior to 9/11 turned out to be accurate. No WMD, no connect=
ion to Al
Queda, no threat to us or the region and, of course, the san=
ctions
were working. The significance of the latter case is that t=
here was
little fear that Saddam would be able to transport 400 truck=
loads of
yellowcake from Niger into Iraq even if he was intent on acq=
uiring it.
For some reason Bush Foreign Policy became "delusional" post=
9/11.
Anyone care to guess why?- D=F6lj citerad text -
Oil?
WH
Yup. :-)
What's it like to live in a country that you hate?
You would know that better than any of us stevie.. and
all that Iraqi oil won't be going to Iraqis as long as
US troops are there.
Oil revenue is already going to the Iraqi government. But don't let a
fact get in the way of your emotionally held beliefs.
Let us know when it starts going to the Iraqi people will ya. It used
to do that, before the yanks stuck their noses in there. Free
education, health care...all paid for by the oil.
You're insane. Thousands of Iraqis were dying every month prior to the
invasion due to the corrupt UN Oil for Food program,
Here you go again. They were dying due to the sanctions imposed by the
UN...and insisted upon by the yanks. The sanctions led to the oil for
food program douglas you idiot! If it weren't for those inhuman
sanctions there wouldn't have been any oil for food program.
which allowed
Saddam to syphon off oil money intended for the Iraqi people, and
build his grand palaces with that money instead.
Saddam probably got the least of the robbed money. There were many,
many more than just Saddam who got dosh from that scam.
Stop with the
fantasies about Saddam being some benevolent leader. It makes you look
stupid.- D=F6lj citerad text -
- Visa citerad text -
I don't remember saying that Saddam was anything but a brutal
dictator.
WH
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10 Apr 2007 03:27:46 PM |
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On Apr 10, 11:01 am, "WH" <boll...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Here you go again. They were dying due to the sanctions imposed by the
UN...and insisted upon by the yanks. The sanctions led to the oil for
food program douglas you idiot! If it weren't for those inhuman
sanctions there wouldn't have been any oil for food program.
And, as you well know, there wouldn't have been 500,000 Iraqi children
dying due to a lack of medicine and proper sanitation among other
things.
All part of a greater Western strategy to bring stability to the
region.
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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10 Apr 2007 08:49:29 PM |
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On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 06:33:01 -0700, Steven Douglas wrote:
On Apr 10, 2:44 am, "WH" <boll...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 9, 2:49 pm, "Steven Douglas" <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 9, 12:32 am, Perseid <eidp...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dste...@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
The Bush Administration's public assessment of the Iraqi "threat"
prior to 9/11 turned out to be accurate. No WMD, no connection to Al
Queda, no threat to us or the region and, of course, the sanctions
were working. The significance of the latter case is that there was
little fear that Saddam would be able to transport 400 truckloads of
yellowcake from Niger into Iraq even if he was intent on acquiring it.
For some reason Bush Foreign Policy became "delusional" post 9/11.
Anyone care to guess why?- Dölj citerad text -
Oil?
WH
Yup. :-)
What's it like to live in a country that you hate?
You would know that better than any of us stevie.. and
all that Iraqi oil won't be going to Iraqis as long as
US troops are there.
Oil revenue is already going to the Iraqi government. But don't let a
fact get in the way of your emotionally held beliefs.
Let us know when it starts going to the Iraqi people will ya. It used
to do that, before the yanks stuck their noses in there. Free
education, health care...all paid for by the oil.
You're insane. Thousands of Iraqis were dying every month prior to the
invasion due to the corrupt UN Oil for Food program, which allowed
Saddam to syphon off oil money intended for the Iraqi people, and
build his grand palaces with that money instead. Stop with the
fantasies about Saddam being some benevolent leader. It makes you look
stupid.
Look, get this through your head - the United States government doesn't
care squat about the citizens of any country, including ours, okay? They
care about power and money, and that's it. They don't let lots of
Americans starve because we wouldn't tolerate it (and crime would go up),
but otherwise we really don't care (especially if they're not white). We
don't intervene in any country unless it's in our (meaning the people
in power's) best interest to do so - in the case of Iraq, it was about the
oil and lucrative contracts (using taxpayers' money -what a con!). Saddam
and WMDs were just an excuse - it's easy to tell this because the reason
for invading kept changing .
If the U.S. had anyone to pick a bone with, it was bin laden, whom Bush
dubbed "unimportant" in order to go after the big bucks. You'll also note
that we have not entered Darfur, the Congo, or any other "poor" countries
that will not give our esteemed *cough* leaders big $$$ for their troubles.
Woods
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10 Apr 2007 08:59:57 PM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, Woodswun
<woodswun@tepidmail.com> Spat the Words
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 06:33:01 -0700, Steven Douglas wrote:
On Apr 10, 2:44 am, "WH" <boll...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 9, 2:49 pm, "Steven Douglas" <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 9, 12:32 am, Perseid <eidp...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dste...@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
The Bush Administration's public assessment of the Iraqi
"threat" prior to 9/11 turned out to be accurate. No WMD,
no connection to Al Queda, no threat to us or the region
and, of course, the sanctions were working. The
significance of the latter case is that there was
little fear that Saddam would be able to transport 400
truckloads of yellowcake from Niger into Iraq even if he
was intent on acquiring it.
For some reason Bush Foreign Policy became "delusional"
post 9/11. Anyone care to guess why?- Dölj citerad text -
Oil?
WH
Yup. :-)
What's it like to live in a country that you hate?
You would know that better than any of us stevie.. and
all that Iraqi oil won't be going to Iraqis as long as
US troops are there.
Oil revenue is already going to the Iraqi government. But don't let
a fact get in the way of your emotionally held beliefs.
Let us know when it starts going to the Iraqi people will ya. It used
to do that, before the yanks stuck their noses in there. Free
education, health care...all paid for by the oil.
You're insane. Thousands of Iraqis were dying every month prior to the
invasion due to the corrupt UN Oil for Food program, which allowed
Saddam to syphon off oil money intended for the Iraqi people, and
build his grand palaces with that money instead. Stop with the
fantasies about Saddam being some benevolent leader. It makes you look
stupid.
Look, get this through your head - the United States government doesn't
care squat about the citizens of any country, including ours, okay?
They care about power and money, and that's it. They don't let lots of
Americans starve because we wouldn't tolerate it (and crime would go
up), but otherwise we really don't care (especially if they're not
white). We don't intervene in any country unless it's in our (meaning
the people in power's) best interest to do so - in the case of Iraq, it
was about the oil and lucrative contracts (using taxpayers' money -what
a con!). Saddam
and WMDs were just an excuse - it's easy to tell this because the
reason
for invading kept changing .
If the U.S. had anyone to pick a bone with, it was bin laden, whom Bush
dubbed "unimportant" in order to go after the big bucks. You'll also
note that we have not entered Darfur, the Congo, or any other "poor"
countries that will not give our esteemed *cough* leaders big $$$ for
their troubles.
Woods
I think we've always known stevo is either real smart and he's
playing us like it's his second nature, or he's real dense and
just stupidly dog-like loyal to everything his church leader
directs him to believe. I think stevo is just bright enough
to know there are major inconsistencies in what Bush and Co. have
been foisting on us, but the pain still isn't great enough for
him to want to leave the comfort of his entrenched idealized
lifestyle. Stevo will continue to do exactly as he's told until
the enemy is banging down his front door and his leaders have
forsaken him. What a bizarre human facsimile stevo is !
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10 Apr 2007 09:39:32 PM |
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On Apr 10, 6:59 pm, Perseid <eidp...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, Woodswun
<woods...@tepidmail.com> Spat the Words
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 06:33:01 -0700, Steven Douglas wrote:
On Apr 10, 2:44 am, "WH" <boll...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 9, 2:49 pm, "Steven Douglas" <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 9, 12:32 am, Perseid <eidp...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dste...@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
The Bush Administration's public assessment of the Iraqi
"threat" prior to 9/11 turned out to be accurate. No WMD,
no connection to Al Queda, no threat to us or the region
and, of course, the sanctions were working. The
significance of the latter case is that there was
little fear that Saddam would be able to transport 400
truckloads of yellowcake from Niger into Iraq even if he
was intent on acquiring it.
For some reason Bush Foreign Policy became "delusional"
post 9/11. Anyone care to guess why?- D=F6lj citerad text -
Oil?
WH
Yup. :-)
What's it like to live in a country that you hate?
You would know that better than any of us stevie.. and
all that Iraqi oil won't be going to Iraqis as long as
US troops are there.
Oil revenue is already going to the Iraqi government. But don't let
a fact get in the way of your emotionally held beliefs.
Let us know when it starts going to the Iraqi people will ya. It used
to do that, before the yanks stuck their noses in there. Free
education, health care...all paid for by the oil.
You're insane. Thousands of Iraqis were dying every month prior to the
invasion due to the corrupt UN Oil for Food program, which allowed
Saddam to syphon off oil money intended for the Iraqi people, and
build his grand palaces with that money instead. Stop with the
fantasies about Saddam being some benevolent leader. It makes you look
stupid.
Look, get this through your head - the United States government doesn't
care squat about the citizens of any country, including ours, okay?
They care about power and money, and that's it. They don't let lots of
Americans starve because we wouldn't tolerate it (and crime would go
up), but otherwise we really don't care (especially if they're not
white). We don't intervene in any country unless it's in our (meaning
the people in power's) best interest to do so - in the case of Iraq, it
was about the oil and lucrative contracts (using taxpayers' money -what
a con!). Saddam
and WMDs were just an excuse - it's easy to tell this because the
reason
for invading kept changing .
If the U.S. had anyone to pick a bone with, it was bin laden, whom Bush
dubbed "unimportant" in order to go after the big bucks. You'll also
note that we have not entered Darfur, the Congo, or any other "poor"
countries that will not give our esteemed *cough* leaders big $$$ for
their troubles.
Woods
I think we've always known stevo is either real smart and he's
playing us like it's his second nature, or he's real dense and
just stupidly dog-like loyal to everything his church leader
directs him to believe. I think stevo is just bright enough
to know there are major inconsistencies in what Bush and Co. have
been foisting on us, but the pain still isn't great enough for
him to want to leave the comfort of his entrenched idealized
lifestyle. Stevo will continue to do exactly as he's told until
the enemy is banging down his front door and his leaders have
forsaken him. What a bizarre human facsimile stevo is !
Great, you killfile me and start making more personal attacks within
minutes. Wonderful.
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| Title: Re: Policymaking via (ongoing) delusion |
10 Apr 2007 09:52:38 PM |
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On Apr 10, 6:49 pm, Woodswun <woods...@tepidmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 06:33:01 -0700, Steven Douglas wrote:
On Apr 10, 2:44 am, "WH" <boll...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 9, 2:49 pm, "Steven Douglas" <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 9, 12:32 am, Perseid <eidp...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dste...@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
The Bush Administration's public assessment of the Iraqi "t=
hreat"
prior to 9/11 turned out to be accurate. No WMD, no connec=
tion to Al
Queda, no threat to us or the region and, of course, the sa=
nctions
were working. The significance of the latter case is that =
there was
little fear that Saddam would be able to transport 400 truc=
kloads of
yellowcake from Niger into Iraq even if he was intent on ac=
quiring it.
For some reason Bush Foreign Policy became "delusional" pos=
t 9/11.
Anyone care to guess why?- D=F6lj citerad text -
Oil?
WH
Yup. :-)
What's it like to live in a country that you hate?
You would know that better than any of us stevie.. and
all that Iraqi oil won't be going to Iraqis as long as
US troops are there.
Oil revenue is already going to the Iraqi government. But don't let a
fact get in the way of your emotionally held beliefs.
Let us know when it starts going to the Iraqi people will ya. It used
to do that, before the yanks stuck their noses in there. Free
education, health care...all paid for by the oil.
You're insane. Thousands of Iraqis were dying every month prior to the
invasion due to the corrupt UN Oil for Food program, which allowed
Saddam to syphon off oil money intended for the Iraqi people, and
build his grand palaces with that money instead. Stop with the
fantasies about Saddam being some benevolent leader. It makes you look
stupid.
Look, get this through your head - the United States government doesn't
care squat about the citizens of any country, including ours, okay? They
care about power and money, and that's it. They don't let lots of
Americans starve because we wouldn't tolerate it (and crime would go up),
but otherwise we really don't care (especially if they're not white). We
don't intervene in any country unless it's in our (meaning the people
in power's) best interest to do so - in the case of Iraq, it was about the
oil and lucrative contracts
<snip> There's that famous lie of the left -- it was the oil!!! Do you
realize the oil revenue is going directly to the Iraqi government? And
has been for quite some time now? Why should I ever believe ANYTHING
you have to say when you lie so easily?
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09 Apr 2007 08:54:55 AM |
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On Apr 9, 3:32 am, Perseid <eidp...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dste...@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
The Bush Administration's public assessment of the Iraqi "threat"
prior to 9/11 turned out to be accurate. No WMD, no connection to=
Al
Queda, no threat to us or the region and, of course, the sanctions
were working. The significance of the latter case is that there w=
as
little fear that Saddam would be able to transport 400 truckloads =
of
yellowcake from Niger into Iraq even if he was intent on acquiring=
it.
For some reason Bush Foreign Policy became "delusional" post 9/11.
Anyone care to guess why?- D=F6lj citerad text -
Oil?
WH
Yup. :-)
What's it like to live in a country that you hate?
You would know that better than any of us stevie..
Steven's becoming increasingly bankrupt. He's relying on some of the
old Viet Nam era ploys used by like minded warmongers when it was
clear that war was going nowhere, becoming a debacle.
I love this country. This country is about the people. It's the
people I've come to know and love. I've gotten to know about their
strength, compassion and willingness to sacrifice in my own volunteer
work that started in my teens. My experience in the military, working
in factories and trades and starting a couple of businesses of my
own. Getting to know some of the most lowly, some of the most
powerful. There's good and evil in both groups.
One gets "riled" when one sees our best abused by the powerful and
greedy. The liars that send the epitome of what I've described above
off to die, be maimed and commit horror under the ruse of freedom and
democracy.
No reason to get passionate about that.
Should one be bothered when one is accused of hating their county?
Not when the source of the accusation consistently demonstrates his
affinity for punk denial.
One only needs to define my country then point to the abusers of my
country. One needs to point to the denial that would identify those
abusers, Bush, Cheney et al, with what's best about this country.
Denial is obviously part of Steven's world view and probably his
interior perception. A denial most likely based in an abusive,
alcoholic upbringing.
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| Title: Re: Policymaking via (ongoing) delusion |
10 Apr 2007 02:46:57 AM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "John Lemke"
<jflemke@locallink.net> Spat the Words
On Apr 9, 3:32 am, Perseid <eidp...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dste...@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
The Bush Administration's public assessment of the Iraqi
"threat"
prior to 9/11 turned out to be accurate. No WMD, no connection
to
Al
Queda, no threat to us or the region and, of course, the
sanctions
were working. The significance of the latter case is that there
w
as
little fear that Saddam would be able to transport 400
truckloads
of
yellowcake from Niger into Iraq even if he was intent on
acquiring
it.
For some reason Bush Foreign Policy became "delusional" post
9/11.
Anyone care to guess why?- Dölj citerad text -
Oil?
WH
Yup. :-)
What's it like to live in a country that you hate?
You would know that better than any of us stevie..
Steven's becoming increasingly bankrupt. He's relying on some of the
old Viet Nam era ploys used by like minded warmongers when it was
clear that war was going nowhere, becoming a debacle.
I love this country. This country is about the people. It's the
people I've come to know and love. I've gotten to know about their
strength, compassion and willingness to sacrifice in my own volunteer
work that started in my teens. My experience in the military, working
in factories and trades and starting a couple of businesses of my
own. Getting to know some of the most lowly, some of the most
powerful. There's good and evil in both groups.
One gets "riled" when one sees our best abused by the powerful and
greedy. The liars that send the epitome of what I've described above
off to die, be maimed and commit horror under the ruse of freedom and
democracy.
Also quite disheartening to see a nobody schmuck like stevie
cling fanatically and support the twisted, corrupt agendas of
the republican elite, out of what, fear, a sense of loyalty ?
What exactly are stevie's motives ? I say it's fear. He has
bought into the Cheney 1% doctrine and he's determined to
save his own pathetic skin even if it means killing everyone
else on the planet.. and he claims to be Christian.
No reason to get passionate about that.
Should one be bothered when one is accused of hating their county?
Not when the source of the accusation consistently demonstrates his
affinity for punk denial.
One only needs to define my country then point to the abusers of my
country. One needs to point to the denial that would identify those
abusers, Bush, Cheney et al, with what's best about this country.
Denial is obviously part of Steven's world view and probably his
interior perception. A denial most likely based in an abusive,
alcoholic upbringing.
Denial yes.. at this point it has become an elaborate fantasy
world of twisted propaganda which have become stevie's 'facts'.
Stevie has chosen to join the western crusaders to take back
the holy land. It's just so convenient when he can say he's
doing it all for god and country. Killing in the name of god
makes it all somehow ok.
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| Title: Re: Policymaking via (ongoing) delusion |
10 Apr 2007 08:30:40 AM |
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On Apr 10, 12:46 am, Perseid <eidp...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "John Lemke"
<jfle...@locallink.net> Spat the Words
On Apr 9, 3:32 am, Perseid <eidp...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dste...@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
The Bush Administration's public assessment of the Iraqi
"threat"
prior to 9/11 turned out to be accurate. No WMD, no connection
to
Al
Queda, no threat to us or the region and, of course, the
sanctions
were working. The significance of the latter case is that there
w
as
little fear that Saddam would be able to transport 400
truckloads
of
yellowcake from Niger into Iraq even if he was intent on
acquiring
it.
For some reason Bush Foreign Policy became "delusional" post
9/11.
Anyone care to guess why?- D=F6lj citerad text -
Oil?
WH
Yup. :-)
What's it like to live in a country that you hate?
You would know that better than any of us stevie..
Steven's becoming increasingly bankrupt. He's relying on some of the
old Viet Nam era ploys used by like minded warmongers when it was
clear that war was going nowhere, becoming a debacle.
I love this country. This country is about the people. It's the
people I've come to know and love. I've gotten to know about their
strength, compassion and willingness to sacrifice in my own volunteer
work that started in my teens. My experience in the military, working
in factories and trades and starting a couple of businesses of my
own. Getting to know some of the most lowly, some of the most
powerful. There's good and evil in both groups.
One gets "riled" when one sees our best abused by the powerful and
greedy. The liars that send the epitome of what I've described above
off to die, be maimed and commit horror under the ruse of freedom and
democracy.
Also quite disheartening to see a nobody schmuck like stevie
cling fanatically and support the twisted, corrupt agendas of
the republican elite, out of what, fear, a sense of loyalty ?
What exactly are stevie's motives ?
Why don't you just deal with my facts rather than trying to figure out
motives you'll never understand? My motives are irrelevant. Deal with
the facts if you can. Obviously you can't. For instance, your recent
lie about the oil in Iraq. You're so ignorant, you can't catch up with
reality and continue to spout that lie of the left. The oil belongs to
the Iraqi people. The oil revenue is going to the Iraqi government.
Why don't you deal with that fact rather than try to guess my motives,
Randie?
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10 Apr 2007 06:28:54 AM |
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On Apr 10, 3:46 am, Perseid <eidp...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "John Lemke"
<jfle...@locallink.net> Spat the Words
Denial is obviously part of Steven's world view and probably his
interior perception. A denial most likely based in an abusive,
alcoholic upbringing.
Denial yes.. at this point it has become an elaborate fantasy
world of twisted propaganda which have become stevie's 'facts'.
Stevie has chosen to join the western crusaders to take back
the holy land. It's just so convenient when he can say he's
doing it all for god and country. Killing in the name of god
makes it all somehow ok.
Exactly. Promote this clash of civilizations thing. Keep the war
machine cranked up. Build fear and paranoia instead of getting
involved in the love thy enemies "trash".
Steven's line is a mantra. Just keep repeating it over and over. A
mantra to the gods of war that keeps the money flowing into the
permanent war economy. Say it enough times and you brainwash
yourself.
Say it "well" enough and you become a god yourself. Superior to
others, part of the strong ruling elite. Just too blind to see that
the emperor has no clothes anymore. We'll have to make sure the dirty
mob that's supposed to run this country understands this.
But it is good to touch bases with his trash from time to time. You
can monitor what these evil drones have in the offing, what their plan
and agenda is.
Keep up the good fight, Randy.
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| Title: Re: Policymaking via (ongoing) delusion |
10 Apr 2007 08:47:00 PM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "John Lemke"
<jflemke@locallink.net> Spat the Words
On Apr 10, 3:46 am, Perseid <eidp...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "John Lemke"
<jfle...@locallink.net> Spat the Words
Denial is obviously part of Steven's world view and probably his
interior perception. A denial most likely based in an abusive,
alcoholic upbringing.
Denial yes.. at this point it has become an elaborate fantasy
world of twisted propaganda which have become stevie's 'facts'.
Stevie has chosen to join the western crusaders to take back
the holy land. It's just so convenient when he can say he's
doing it all for god and country. Killing in the name of god
makes it all somehow ok.
Exactly. Promote this clash of civilizations thing. Keep the war
machine cranked up. Build fear and paranoia instead of getting
involved in the love thy enemies "trash".
Steven's line is a mantra. Just keep repeating it over and over. A
mantra to the gods of war that keeps the money flowing into the
permanent war economy. Say it enough times and you brainwash
yourself.
Say it "well" enough and you become a god yourself. Superior to
others, part of the strong ruling elite. Just too blind to see that
the emperor has no clothes anymore. We'll have to make sure the dirty
mob that's supposed to run this country understands this.
But it is good to touch bases with his trash from time to time. You
can monitor what these evil drones have in the offing, what their plan
and agenda is.
Keep up the good fight, Randy.
I followed your lead John.. I kill-filed stevo, and I'm already
reaping the benefits in not having to view his volumes of inane,
pedantic arguments, and him responding to each and every single
post I make. His nearly identical, boorish arguments get so damn
tiresome after a year or more of reading them. His lines just
never change.. he states that he doesn't support Bush but then
with every ounce of energy, every post, every thought, he
apologizes for and defends Bush's actions. The guy is severely
confused. I'm going to enjoy only viewing posts of people I
like. A vacation from some of the insane apners has been long
overdue for me.
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| Title: Re: Policymaking via (ongoing) delusion |
10 Apr 2007 10:13:16 PM |
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On Apr 10, 9:47 pm, Perseid <eidp...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
I followed your lead John.. I kill-filed stevo, and I'm already
reaping the benefits in not having to view his volumes of inane,
pedantic arguments, and him responding to each and every single
post I make.
You know, Randy, you stop and consider how much time it takes to
respond in detail to some of these discussions and then to see someone
do it over and over and over again...........it has to be out of
control compulsive behavior. Some deep drive in the psyche that can't
leave the little usenet world alone. Things at times must have been
as bad here for Steven as someone going and putting grey socks in his
black sock drawer.
It got painful to watch.
His nearly identical, boorish arguments get so damn
tiresome after a year or more of reading them. His lines just
never change.. he states that he doesn't support Bush
That's just Steven's way of saying Bush has made serious errors
without being man enough to come out and say Bush has made serious
errors. Bush failed, he wasn't perfect. He's been seen with dirt
under his fingernails, he had lint on his suitcoat, he could never
make partner.
but then
with every ounce of energy, every post, every thought, he
apologizes for and defends Bush's actions.
You can't countenance imperfection so deny it. Bush is your boy. His
world is what you aspire to. Bush's world is a world of lies and the
more skillfully you can maneuver in that world the more value you
have. The more you belong.
His big defense for Bush's total malfeasance, absolute incompetence
was to point fingers at Democrats. Don't point fingers at me. Don't
beat and humiliate me. If I'm perfect you can't beat me.
And if everyone else sees that all I've got is a house of cards it
doesn't matter. I can protect myself with my highly honed, deeply held
"creative skills". It's a fortress but mostly it's a prison.
The guy is severely
confused. I'm going to enjoy only viewing posts of people I
like. A vacation from some of the insane apners has been long
overdue for me.
Ah, you'll be back. You like puzzles too. :-)
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Dani, here's a perfect example |
10 Apr 2007 11:48:43 PM |
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On Apr 10, 8:13 pm, "John Lemke" <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
On Apr 10, 9:47 pm, Perseid <eidp...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
I followed your lead John.. I kill-filed stevo, and I'm already
reaping the benefits in not having to view his volumes of inane,
pedantic arguments, and him responding to each and every single
post I make.
You know, Randy, you stop and consider how much time it takes to
respond in detail to some of these discussions and then to see someone
do it over and over and over again...........it has to be out of
control compulsive behavior. Some deep drive in the psyche that can't
leave the little usenet world alone. Things at times must have been
as bad here for Steven as someone going and putting grey socks in his
black sock drawer.
It got painful to watch.
See, it's all about me. This is what I mean by personal.
His nearly identical, boorish arguments get so damn
tiresome after a year or more of reading them. His lines just
never change.. he states that he doesn't support Bush
That's just Steven's way of saying Bush has made serious errors
without being man enough to come out and say Bush has made serious
errors. Bush failed, he wasn't perfect. He's been seen with dirt
under his fingernails, he had lint on his suitcoat, he could never
make partner.
but then
with every ounce of energy, every post, every thought, he
apologizes for and defends Bush's actions.
You can't countenance imperfection so deny it. Bush is your boy. His
world is what you aspire to. Bush's world is a world of lies
This from the liar who hates his country so much he agrees with APN's
biggest America hater that the Iraq invasion was all about oil. What a
world.
and the
more skillfully you can maneuver in that world the more value you
have. The more you belong.
His big defense for Bush's total malfeasance, absolute incompetence
was to point fingers at Democrats.
Democrats who voted to give Bush authorization to use military force
in Iraq to remove Saddam from power.
Don't point fingers at me. Don't
beat and humiliate me. If I'm perfect you can't beat me.
And if everyone else sees that all I've got is a house of cards it
doesn't matter.
The house of cards are the lies of the left. Like it's all about
stealing Iraq's oil.
I can protect myself with my highly honed, deeply held
"creative skills". It's a fortress but mostly it's a prison.
The guy is severely
confused. I'm going to enjoy only viewing posts of people I
like. A vacation from some of the insane apners has been long
overdue for me.
Ah, you'll be back. You like puzzles too. :-)
And these guys will be writing posts (like this one) about me for
months to come.
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| User: "Dani Bell" |
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| Title: Re: Dani, here's a perfect example |
12 Apr 2007 01:42:04 PM |
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On 10 Apr 2007 21:48:43 -0700, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 10, 8:13 pm, "John Lemke" <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
On Apr 10, 9:47 pm, Perseid <eidp...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
I followed your lead John.. I kill-filed stevo, and I'm already
reaping the benefits in not having to view his volumes of inane,
pedantic arguments, and him responding to each and every single
post I make.
You know, Randy, you stop and consider how much time it takes to
respond in detail to some of these discussions and then to see someone
do it over and over and over again...........it has to be out of
control compulsive behavior. Some deep drive in the psyche that can't
leave the little usenet world alone. Things at times must have been
as bad here for Steven as someone going and putting grey socks in his
black sock drawer.
It got painful to watch.
See, it's all about me. This is what I mean by personal.
My point to you, Steven.. was that the people you feel are hurting
your feelings now *did* try to have a civilized debate with you long,
long ago when the debates first began to ensue. But now that it's
become apparent to them that they are wasting bandwidth going over the
same old things over and over and over again with you...it's human
nature to get somewhat edgy when their repeated efforts never sink
into that hardened cranium of yours.
Example: If you tell a child very nicely, very kindly on Monday that
he needs to clean his bedroom...then again (still nicely) on Tuesday,
Wednesday, Thursday and Friday. Then come Saturday, you check
and his bedroom is STILL a rat's nest - will you still have your
calm, collected composure? Or will you be a bit irritated at your
repetition of words, and his inability to absorb said words?
Now I'm not saying you have to obey the posters you're debating with
(obviously) - my example is to show you that these posters have spent
months, some even *years* debating with you and countering your
arguments repetitiously. At some point as humans, irritation sets in
and things can get a bit personal.
And you are *not* an exception! I know that Randy calls you "Stevie"
... BUT if you are Mr. Maturity who is not here to get personal, and
only to debate political issues, you would *not* engage in Randy's
switching of the names and call him "Randie" in return, now would you?
You also wouldn't imply that your opponents here haven't got the
brains to debate you (personal), and you wouldn't write: "Got it?" at
the end of your post (antagonizing).
Dani
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: Dani, here's a perfect example |
12 Apr 2007 06:20:19 PM |
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On Apr 12, 11:42 am, Dani Bell wrote:
On 10 Apr 2007 21:48:43 -0700, "Steven Douglas"
<dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 10, 8:13 pm, "John Lemke" <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
On Apr 10, 9:47 pm, Perseid <eidp...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
I followed your lead John.. I kill-filed stevo, and I'm already
reaping the benefits in not having to view his volumes of inane,
pedantic arguments, and him responding to each and every single
post I make.
You know, Randy, you stop and consider how much time it takes to
respond in detail to some of these discussions and then to see someone
do it over and over and over again...........it has to be out of
control compulsive behavior. Some deep drive in the psyche that can't
leave the little usenet world alone. Things at times must have been
as bad here for Steven as someone going and putting grey socks in his
black sock drawer.
It got painful to watch.
See, it's all about me. This is what I mean by personal.
My point to you, Steven.. was that the people you feel are hurting
your feelings now
No one is hurting my feelings. My reason for pointing this out to you
was because you wrote a post to me asking why *I* was making it
personal -- but you seemed to ignore all the posts where *I* am the
only topic. I don't really care if they want to spend their time
talking about me. Ask Doc. I'm sure he'd tell you it boosts my ego to
have all this attention paid to me.
*did* try to have a civilized debate with you long,
long ago when the debates first began to ensue. But now that it's
become apparent to them that they are wasting bandwidth going over the
same old things over and over and over again with you...it's human
nature to get somewhat edgy when their repeated efforts never sink
into that hardened cranium of yours.
And I feel exactly the same about them. But I don't go on and on
writing longwinded posts making wild guesses about their personal
life, their motives, etc. But they do, and that's fine. I just want
you to notice the difference.
Example: If you tell a child very nicely, very kindly on Monday that
he needs to clean his bedroom...then again (still nicely) on Tuesday,
Wednesday, Thursday and Friday. Then come Saturday, you check
and his bedroom is STILL a rat's nest - will you still have your
calm, collected composure? Or will you be a bit irritated at your
repetition of words, and his inability to absorb said words?
Some would say I'm a bit repititious with my words. For the exact
reason you just described.
Now I'm not saying you have to obey the posters you're debating with
(obviously) - my example is to show you that these posters have spent
months, some even *years* debating with you and countering your
arguments repetitiously. At some point as humans, irritation sets in
and things can get a bit personal.
Yes, but it's the degree and the depths of personal that is the
difference. Can you find a post where I have gone on and one about
some poster on this group in a single post, where that poster is the
only topic I wrote about?
And you are *not* an exception! I know that Randy calls you "Stevie"
.. BUT if you are Mr. Maturity who is not here to get personal, and
only to debate political issues, you would *not* engage in Randy's
switching of the names and call him "Randie" in return, now would you?
That's all in fun. Randy has said he does that because he wants to
irritate me. So I just give it back. But that's not the type of
personal posts I wanted to show you.
You also wouldn't imply that your opponents here haven't got the
brains to debate you (personal), and you wouldn't write: "Got it?" at
the end of your post (antagonizing).
Yes, I know. But as you said, that's what happens when you have to
explain the same thing to someone over and over again. And by the way,
the post you're looking for from John Lemke is in this thread. And my
response to John is right under his post.
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| User: "WH" |
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| Title: Re: Dani, here's a perfect example |
11 Apr 2007 09:38:37 AM |
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On 11 Apr, 06:48, "Steven Douglas" <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 10, 8:13 pm, "John Lemke" <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
On Apr 10, 9:47 pm, Perseid <eidp...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
I followed your lead John.. I kill-filed stevo, and I'm already
reaping the benefits in not having to view his volumes of inane,
pedantic arguments, and him responding to each and every single
post I make.
You know, Randy, you stop and consider how much time it takes to
respond in detail to some of these discussions and then to see someone
do it over and over and over again...........it has to be out of
control compulsive behavior. Some deep drive in the psyche that can't
leave the little usenet world alone. Things at times must have been
as bad here for Steven as someone going and putting grey socks in his
black sock drawer.
It got painful to watch.
See, it's all about me. This is what I mean by personal.
Boohoo! Actually that's what personal usually means...but nice of you
to explain it for the lady...(she's not very bright you know)...but
shhh, don't tell her I said that.
His nearly identical, boorish arguments get so damn
tiresome after a year or more of reading them. His lines just
never change.. he states that he doesn't support Bush
That's just Steven's way of saying Bush has made serious errors
without being man enough to come out and say Bush has made serious
errors. Bush failed, he wasn't perfect. He's been seen with dirt
under his fingernails, he had lint on his suitcoat, he could never
make partner.
but then
with every ounce of energy, every post, every thought, he
apologizes for and defends Bush's actions.
You can't countenance imperfection so deny it. Bush is your boy. His
world is what you aspire to. Bush's world is a world of lies
This from the liar who hates his country so much he agrees with APN's
biggest America hater that the Iraq invasion was all about oil. What a
world.
Hear that Lemke...DID YOU HEAR THAT LEMKE? APN's "biggest" America
hater!
What a twat!
WH
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| Title: Re: Dani, here's a perfect example |
11 Apr 2007 06:43:45 PM |
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