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"Marvin The Paranoid Android" |
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30 Sep 2006 10:01:55 AM |
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Poll: Most Iraqis favor U.S. pullout in a year |
There was some questions about this poll so here it is.
A majority of Iraqi's want U.S. troops out, and a majority believe
their presence is provoking more violence then preventing, and a
majority feel it's OK to attack U.S. troops.
You can draw your own conclusions, but it appears the writing is on the
wall. Wrong war, wrong reasons, tens of thousands of lives and hundreds
of billions of dollars wasted.
Cheers!
-- Marvie
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Poll: Most Iraqis favor U.S. pullout in a year
(CNN) -- Seventy-one percent of Iraqis responding to a new survey favor
a commitment by U.S.-led forces in Iraq to withdraw in a year.
The majority of respondents to the University of Maryland poll said
that "they would like the Iraqi government to ask for U.S.-led forces
to be withdrawn from Iraq within a year or less," according to the
survey's summary.
"Given four options, 37 percent take the position that they would like
U.S.-led forces withdrawn 'within six months,' while another 34 percent
opt for 'gradually withdraw(ing) U.S.-led forces according to a
one-year timeline.' (Watch why one analyst says U.S. strategy is flawed
-- 1:45)
"Twenty percent favor a two-year timeline and just 9 percent favor
'only reduc(ing) U.S.-led forces as the security situation improves in
Iraq.'"
The month's poll came in the midst of a turbulent year marked by
increased Sunni-Shiite sectarian violence in Baghdad and elsewhere in
the nation.
A U.S. commander said Wednesday that suicide attacks in Iraq are rising
as the Islamic holy month of Ramadan gets under way. (Full story)
Majority favor attacks on U.S.
The poll's summary also suggests that most Iraqis think the American
presence is doing more harm than good.
"An overwhelming majority believes that the U.S. military presence in
Iraq is provoking more conflict than it is preventing and there is
growing confidence in the Iraqi army," the summary said. "If the U.S.
made a commitment to withdraw, a majority believes that this would
strengthen the Iraqi government.
"Support for attacks on U.S.-led forces has grown to a majority
position -- now 6 in 10. Support appears to be related to a widespread
perception, held by all ethnic groups, that the U.S. government plans
to have permanent military bases in Iraq."
The WorldPublicOpinion.org poll was conducted September 1-4 by the
Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of
Maryland. It was fielded by KA Research Ltd./D3 Systems Inc. Questions
were asked of a nationwide representative sample of 1,150 Iraqi adults.
The report is at the Program on International Policy Attitudes Web site
at: http://www.pipa.org/
The poll comes as lawmakers in Washington wrangle over a bleak National
Intelligence Estimate that concludes the Iraq war has become a "cause
celebre" for jihadists, who are growing in number and geographic reach.
The intelligence analysts who authored the report said the Iraq
insurgency against U.S.-led forces was an "underlying factor" fueling
the spread of Islamic radicalism. (Full story)
Link -- http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/09/27/iraq.poll/
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: Poll: Most Iraqis favor U.S. pullout in a year |
30 Sep 2006 02:21:48 PM |
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Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
There was some questions about this poll so here it is.
A majority of Iraqi's want U.S. troops out, and a majority believe
their presence is provoking more violence then preventing, and a
majority feel it's OK to attack U.S. troops.
You can draw your own conclusions, but it appears the writing is on the
wall. Wrong war, wrong reasons, tens of thousands of lives and hundreds
of billions of dollars wasted.
Cheers!
-- Marvie
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Poll: Most Iraqis favor U.S. pullout in a year
That's not the same as saying they want us out right now. I had seen
this poll when the other poll was mentioned, and was waiting for
someone to post this poll. Since then, I found an article that mentions
the poll that says a majority of Iraqis want us out now. It obviously
conflicts with the poll you have cited here.
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| User: "Werewolfy" |
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| Title: Re: Poll: Most Iraqis favor U.S. pullout in a year |
30 Sep 2006 04:50:09 PM |
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Steven Douglas wrote:
That's not the same as saying they want us out right now. I had seen
this poll when the other poll was mentioned, and was waiting for
someone to post this poll. Since then, I found an article that mentions
the poll that says a majority of Iraqis want us out now. It obviously
conflicts with the poll you have cited here.
Poll this. Poll that. Now even poll the polls!
It's simple. Forget Politics. The whole bloody World wants you out of
Iraq.
Hell, even most Americans want to get out of the conflict.
So...Tell your damned President.
Werewolfy
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: Poll: Most Iraqis favor U.S. pullout in a year |
30 Sep 2006 05:22:43 PM |
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Werewolfy wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
That's not the same as saying they want us out right now. I had seen
this poll when the other poll was mentioned, and was waiting for
someone to post this poll. Since then, I found an article that mentions
the poll that says a majority of Iraqis want us out now. It obviously
conflicts with the poll you have cited here.
Poll this. Poll that. Now even poll the polls!
It's simple. Forget Politics. The whole bloody World wants you out of
Iraq.
It's for sure the terrorists in Iraq want us out of Iraq.
Hell, even most Americans want to get out of the conflict.
So...Tell your damned President.
I suppose that's what the upcoming midterm elections are about. Did you
happen to read the opinion article I posted in another thread? There
will be ramifications if do a hasty retreat. That's why I'd like the
Democrats to explain their plan before I would consider voting for them
in this election.
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| User: "Perseid" |
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| Title: Re: Poll: Most Iraqis favor U.S. pullout in a year |
01 Oct 2006 04:24:24 AM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
Werewolfy wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
That's not the same as saying they want us out right now. I had seen
this poll when the other poll was mentioned, and was waiting for
someone to post this poll. Since then, I found an article that
mentions
the poll that says a majority of Iraqis want us out now. It obviously
conflicts with the poll you have cited here.
Poll this. Poll that. Now even poll the polls!
It's simple. Forget Politics. The whole bloody World wants you out of
Iraq.
It's for sure the terrorists in Iraq want us out of Iraq.
Stay or go... it's a crap-shoot. Nobody knows what would happen,
and Bush put us here. There might be a real nasty civil war, or
we might see a strong-man emerge who creates order very quickly
(if this happened, any foreign militants would be worm bait
within weeks, just as under Saddam).
Hell, even most Americans want to get out of the conflict.
So...Tell your damned President.
I suppose that's what the upcoming midterm elections are about. Did you
happen to read the opinion article I posted in another thread? There
will be ramifications if do a hasty retreat. That's why I'd like the
Democrats to explain their plan before I would consider voting for them
in this election.
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| User: "Marvin The Paranoid Android" |
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| Title: Re: Poll: Most Iraqis favor U.S. pullout in a year |
01 Oct 2006 09:13:04 AM |
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Perseid wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
Werewolfy wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
That's not the same as saying they want us out right now. I had seen
this poll when the other poll was mentioned, and was waiting for
someone to post this poll. Since then, I found an article that
mentions
the poll that says a majority of Iraqis want us out now. It obviously
conflicts with the poll you have cited here.
Poll this. Poll that. Now even poll the polls!
It's simple. Forget Politics. The whole bloody World wants you out of
Iraq.
It's for sure the terrorists in Iraq want us out of Iraq.
Stay or go... it's a crap-shoot. Nobody knows what would happen,
and Bush put us here. There might be a real nasty civil war, or
we might see a strong-man emerge who creates order very quickly
(if this happened, any foreign militants would be worm bait
within weeks, just as under Saddam).
What would be a shame is to know that the lives sacrificed so far have
all been in vain, and I believe this has been one of the NeoCons main
selling point for 'staying the course'.
The problem is that the violence is spiralling out of control. Unless a
gov't can be set up that keeps everyone happy and soon, the violence
will begin to just feed off of itself -- reprisal becoming the single
motivating factor.
But whatever happens happens. It was a mistake to invade, it was poorly
planned and under equipped for the post-invasion peace keeping.
Woodward's new book also calls out Bremer for dismissing Baath party
members from gov't and disbanding the Iraqi army -- Rummie was warned
by the person who Bremer replaced but ignored the advice.
Hindsight is what it is, but this adventure was still poorly planned
any way you look at it.
Cheers!
-- Marvie
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| User: "John Lemke" |
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| Title: Re: Poll: Most Iraqis favor U.S. pullout in a year |
01 Oct 2006 09:44:46 AM |
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"Marvin The Paranoid Android" <marvinparanoidandroid@hotmail.com> wrote in
message news:1159711984.898572.187180@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
Hindsight is what it is, but this adventure was still poorly planned
any way you look at it.
Cheers!
-- Marvie
Very true, Marv.
Hindsight is something that these "highly idealistic" neocons should have
employed prior to the invasion. History provides hindsight. It's doubly
dangerous to be as deluded about the present as one is ignorant of the past.
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| User: "Marvin The Paranoid Android" |
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| Title: Re: Poll: Most Iraqis favor U.S. pullout in a year |
01 Oct 2006 09:50:41 AM |
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John Lemke wrote:
"Marvin The Paranoid Android" <marvinparanoidandroid@hotmail.com> wrote in
message news:1159711984.898572.187180@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
Hindsight is what it is, but this adventure was still poorly planned
any way you look at it.
Cheers!
-- Marvie
Very true, Marv.
Hindsight is something that these "highly idealistic" neocons should have
employed prior to the invasion. History provides hindsight. It's doubly
dangerous to be as deluded about the present as one is ignorant of the past.
Good planning means accepting things may go wrong and having ready the
means to deal with it. These Criminal Clowns thought they'd be greeted
as liberators and The Dark Lord discounted any other possibility on
Meet The Press in 2003.
Condi a month or so ago in an interview denying Iraq was now in a civil
war said she didn't 'deal with hypotheticals' -- WTF is her job then?
FBR (Faith Based Reality) doesn't work no matter how hard you pray.
Cheers!
-- Marvie
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: Poll: Most Iraqis favor U.S. pullout in a year |
01 Oct 2006 11:39:48 AM |
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Perseid wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
Werewolfy wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
That's not the same as saying they want us out right now. I had seen
this poll when the other poll was mentioned, and was waiting for
someone to post this poll. Since then, I found an article that
mentions
the poll that says a majority of Iraqis want us out now. It obviously
conflicts with the poll you have cited here.
Poll this. Poll that. Now even poll the polls!
It's simple. Forget Politics. The whole bloody World wants you out of
Iraq.
It's for sure the terrorists in Iraq want us out of Iraq.
Stay or go... it's a crap-shoot. Nobody knows what would happen,
and Bush put us here. There might be a real nasty civil war, or
we might see a strong-man emerge who creates order very quickly
(if this happened, any foreign militants would be worm bait
within weeks, just as under Saddam).
More mass graves? Just as under Saddam? That sounds like a good
campaign platform for the Democrats. Why don't you suggest it to them?
Something like, let's abandon the Iraqi people to a civil war or a
strong-man who will once again make Iraq just as it was under Saddam.
Yep, that sounds like a really winning strategy for the Democrats.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: Poll: Most Iraqis favor U.S. pullout in a year |
01 Oct 2006 09:43:34 PM |
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Steven Douglas wrote:
More mass graves? Just as under Saddam? That sounds
like a good campaign platform for the Democrats.
More than 100,000 Iraqi CIVILIANS are estimated to have
been killed since the start of the invasion.
That's one frigging HUGE mass grave!
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: Poll: Most Iraqis favor U.S. pullout in a year |
01 Oct 2006 10:46:53 PM |
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JTEM wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
More mass graves? Just as under Saddam? That sounds
like a good campaign platform for the Democrats.
More than 100,000 Iraqi CIVILIANS are estimated to have
been killed since the start of the invasion.
I don't accept that number. We've had this discussion on this group
already. Most reasonable people accept tens of thousands, but not
100,000. The actual number is bad enough without exaggerating it into
something statistically impossible.
That's one frigging HUGE mass grave!
Not as huge as the mass graves Saddam filled. And that didn't include
the 5000 Iraqi children that were dying every month due to the
sanctions -- as well as the corrupt UN Oil for Food program that was
enriching Saddam at the expense of the Iraqi people, who were doing
without needed food and medicine. Go back to the late 90's through
2002, and add up 5000 children per month. That number didn't include
older people who were also dying of neglect because of the sanctions.
And all that would have still been going on all these years ... but
what do you care? You don't care, do you?
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| User: "JTEM" |
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01 Oct 2006 11:41:21 PM |
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Steven Douglas wrote:
More than 100,000 Iraqi CIVILIANS are estimated to have
been killed since the start of the invasion.
I don't accept that number.
How.... convenient.
Most reasonable people accept tens of thousands,
Bush put the figure at 30,000 quite a while ago, and
the Whitehouse was quick to issue a followup stating
that was a "conservative figure."
You're WAY behind reality here...
That's one frigging HUGE mass grave!
Not as huge as the mass graves Saddam filled.
Cites, please.
And that didn't include the 5000 Iraqi children that were
dying every month due to the sanctions
Details, please. Everyone with an agenda -- from pacifists &
chicken hawks to Saddam himself -- were all quick to
attribute large numbers of deaths to the sanctions, without
the slightest evidence offered in support.
The worse Saddam made out the sanctions to be, the greater
his case (or so he thought) for ending them.
The worse the chicken hawks made out the sanctions to be,
the greater their case (or so they thought) for invading and so
removing the reason for sanctions.
The sanctions did cause great hardship -- there's no denying
that -- but the real deaths came from refugees a uprisings.
as well as the corrupt UN Oil for Food prondgram that was
enriching Saddam at the expense of the Iraqi people,
You can't even make up your mind whether the problem was
the sanctions or corruption... SHEESH!
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| User: "Werewolfy" |
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01 Oct 2006 12:59:31 PM |
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Steven Douglas wrote:
Something like, let's abandon the Iraqi people to a civil war or a
strong-man who will once again make Iraq just as it was under Saddam.
Yep, that sounds like a really winning strategy for the Democrats.
This has nothing to do with your petty politics. These words,
'Liberal', 'Neocon' etc. I have no idea what they mean, and blaming a
political persuasion is avoiding the issue.
No matter who is holding the power in America, your style of
'liberation' is wrong. You are like Christian Missionaries..imposing
your God...in this case your Society...on foreign cultures.
But then, the 'Christian Missionary' comparison isn't true at all, is
it? Americans do what is best for them, regardless of who suffers. Oh,
they can disguise it as humanitarian, but there is always that
over-riding self-interest consideration.
There we have it, America..Bringing the 'American Dream and it's
values, it's Disney democracy to the world. Bringing it by persuasion,
or by force if persuasion doesn't work. That great 'American Dream',
which disguises a spiders lair of intrigue and corruption.
This is NOT about a 'strategy' for winning your Fairy Tale long winded
boring electoral process. It's about allowing other cultures to develop
in the way that they see fit.
Werewolfy
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| User: "JTEM" |
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01 Oct 2006 09:51:22 PM |
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Werewolfy wrote:
This has nothing [....]
It's amazing that you could respond to someone as
ignorant & wrong as Stevie baby, yet still manage to
come across as ignorant & wrong in comparison.
The Iraq war is unprecedented in American history.
No President, no party had ever embarked on such
an adventure.
Of course, you being an invalid living in your parents
basement, you'd have no way of knowing this...
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| User: "JTEM" |
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01 Oct 2006 09:40:37 PM |
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Steven Douglas wrote:
It's for sure the terrorists in Iraq want us out of Iraq.
They weren't there before Bush fucked everything up.
Look. It's really quite simple. The very LAST person you
could ever trust to fix things is the person who fucked
things up in the first place, and doesn't see anything that
needs fixing.
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