AQUATIC TRIPLICITY
WITH SCORPIO RISING
De l'aquatique triplicite naitra
D'un qui fera le jeudi pour sa fete
Of the aquatic triplicity will be born
One who will obtain Thursday for his feast
[posted 9 April, 2000:]
"After reading this in I.50...I looked back at my own birth chart:
when I was born, Mercury, Venus, and Neptune were all in the water
sign of Scorpio, and soon afterwards Mars (in Cancer, water again)
trined Mercury, then Mercury conjuncted Neptune..."
Checking again, Mars and Mercury were in precise trine at the recorded
time of my birth –
Mercury @ 7,51' Scorpio
Mars @ 7,51' Cancer
The Mercury-Neptune conjunct occurred exactly 2:15 later @ 7,59'
Scorpio.
But since this was prior to DST being standardized, some research was
necessary to find that year DST for the natal region ended in late
September, allowing the Rising Sign calculation to be performed
properly: using Standard Time for early October, the Ascendant in my
natal chart was plotted @ 7,55' Scorpio - directly between conjuncting
Mercury and Neptune!
Thus, there are three possible interpretations for my natal chart
being perceived as representing an "aquatic triplicity":
1) Three major planets in the water sign Scorpio–
Mercury @ 7,51', Neptune @ 7,58', Venus @ 12,49'
2) Three planets in water signs around the same relative position–
Mercury @ 7,51' Scorpio; Mars @ 7,51' Cancer; Neptune @ 7,58' Scorpio
3) The apparent triple conjunction of Mercury, Ascendant and Neptune
between 7,51' and 7,58' Scorpio (extremely short-term, only applying
to the exact minute birth was recorded).
While the third condition was a striking discovery, the first is
rather mundane: the second observation is most likely what was
intended, although the Ascendant joining Mercury and Neptune at birth
time (during the Mars-Mercury trine) intensifies it, especially since
it foreshadows their impending conjunct.
The following line about obtaining Thursday for a feast recalls the
practice of using the day of death as "feastday": but since this is
only a day of the week with no further information, it remains to be
seen what significance may be gleaned from this prophecy. If it does
indeed pertain to my own chart, it would reinforce my own identity (as
"Eagal") as consistent with Nostradamus' Aigle (Eagle): having posted
a string of inexplicably "coincidentally" correct suppositions prior
to fulfilling events (regarding the 1999 Istanbul quake, 9-11 attacks,
Columbia shuttle disaster, etc.), such a prophetic acknowledgement of
correct interpretation during a critical period is not so
incredible...
CYBERSEANCE
Disbelievers and those not wishing to participate please leave the
circle now...
Those remaining may enter the circle of salt into hallowed ground and
be seated.
(The lights dim, the major illumination now coming from a single
flickering candle flame set in the center of a round table.)
Join hands, and stare into the flame.
Whatever happens, do not break the circle until you are instructed to
do so.
We seek the Spirit of Wisdom and Truth in the name of The Holy One.
(The flame leaps up briefly, then settles back to its normal height.
A warm, loving presence is felt, instilling a sensation of blissful
exhilaration. A sweet rose-like fragrance pervades. The medium slips
into a deep somnambulistic trance before speaking again.)
"A time of decision looms on the horizon."
(The medium's voice has altered cadence, now resonating with solemn
conviction.)
"The seventh king will receive a mandate."
"But the mandate will be marred..."
"Venus, Mercury, The Sun - in the ancient urn!"
"A shortened time: two years!"
"Resignation!"
"The group of ten are to be given power!"
"The beast of the abyss will be honored - Don't accept the mark!!"
"The Antichrist figure is: ‘GOD IS ****** **** ***'!"
"Heed the three angels!"
(A sudden gust of wind extinguishes the candle, removes the mysterious
floral aroma. The medium's throat clears.)
Our guide has departed.
(The medium's voice has returned to normal.)
You may now unclasp hands, and please show yourselves out.
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13 Feb 2004 12:15:27 PM |
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AQUATIC TRIPLICITY
WITH SCORPIO RISING
De l'aquatique triplicite naitra
D'un qui fera le jeudi pour sa fete
Of the aquatic triplicity will be born
One who will obtain Thursday for his feast
I suggest you read the medieval astrologers like Cornelius Agrippa,
William Lilly and Paracelsus. The ascending triplicity and the lord of
this triplicity are important factors in solving the birth chart.
The ascending triplicity is the triplicity of what is known as the
"rising sign."
The triplicity rulers vary according to whether birth is in day or
night. Not all astrologers agree on the triplicity lords:
Triplicity Lords
Day Night
Air Saturn Mercury
Fire Sun Jupiter
Earth Venus Moon
Water Mars Mars
So if Scorpio is rising your ascending triplicity is water and your
triplicity lord is Mars.
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13 Feb 2004 12:58:49 PM |
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ELECTRICAL POWER ACCUMULATORS
Frank Wyatt Prentice
September 18th, 1923
TO ALL WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:
Be it know that I, FRANK WYATT PRENTICE, of the City of Meadville, County of
Crawford, State of Pennsylvania, Electrical Engineer,
having invented new and useful improvements in ELECTRICAL POWER ACCUMULATORS do
hereby declare that the following is a full,
clear and exact description of the same;
My invention relates to improvements in ELECTRICAL POWER ACCUMULATORS and like,
wherein the earth acting as rotor and the
surrounding air as a stator, collects the energy thus generated by the earth
rotating on its axis, utilises the same for power and other purposes.
In the development of my WIRELESS TRAIN CONTROL SYSTEM for railways, covered by
my United States Letters Patent Number 843,550,
I discovered that with an antennae consisting of one wire of suitable diameter
supported by insulating means three to six inches above the
ground and extending one half mile, more or less in length, the said antennae
being grounded at one end through a spark gap and energized at
the other end by a high frequency generator of 500 WATTS INPUT and having a
secondary frequency of 500,000 would produce in said
antennae oscillatory frequency the same as that of the earth currents and thus
electrical power
FROM THE SURROUNDING MEDIA
was accumulated along the length of the transmission antennae and with a closed
oscillatory loop antennae 18 feet in length run parallel with
the transmission antennae at a distance of approximately 20 feet it was
possible to obtain by tuning the loop antennae,
SUFFICIENT POWER TO LIGHT TO FULL CANDLE POWER A SERIES BANK OF 50 SIXTY WATT
CARBON LAMPS.
Lowering or raising the frequency of 500,000 cps resulted in diminishing the
amount of power received on the 18 foot antennae. Like-wise the
raising of the transmission antennae resulted in a proportionate decrease of
power picked up on the receiving antennae and at 6 feet above the
earth no power what-ever was obtainable without a change of potential and
frequency.
It is the objective of my generic invention to utilize the power generated by
the earth by means herein described and illustrated in the
drawings. The two figures in the drawings illustrate simple and preferred forms
of this invention, but I wish in understood that no limitation
is necessarily made as to the exact and precise circuits, shapes, positions,
and structural details therein shown, exhibited and herein described
in combination or otherwise and that changes, alterations and modifications may
be made when desired within the scope of my invention and
as specifically pointed out in the claims.
DESCRIPTION OF DRAWINGS:
Prentice Patent - Figure 1
Referring particularlly to Figure 1:
- 1 and 2 are alternating current feed wires supplying 110 volts 60
cycles to a high frequency generator.
- 3 is a switch with 4 and 5 poles of same.
- 6 and 7 are connections of high frequency transformer 8 for stepping
up the frequency to 500,000 and the voltage to say 100,000.
- 9 is an inductance coil.
- 10 is the spark gap.
- 11 is the adjustable condenser.
- While 12 is the primary winding of transformer 8.
- 13 is the secondary winding of transformer 8.
- Secondary winding 8 goes to ground through lead wire 15 to adjustable
condenser 16 and lead wire 17, and 18.
- 14 is lead wire from other side of secondary winding of transformer 8
to main transmission antennae 19 supported by insulating
means 20.
- 21 is spark gap from transmission antennae 19 to ground through lead
wire 22 adjustable condenser 23, lead wire 24 to ground 24'.
- Transmission antennae 19 may be of any desired length desired.
Prentice Patent - Figure 2
In figure 2:
- 25 is a closed oscillating loop antennae of any desired length and for
greatest efficiency is run parallel with transmission antennae 19
of Figure 1.
- 26 is lead to step down transformer 27 of which 27' is the secondary.
- 28 is lead to adjustable condenser 29, lead 30 to ground 31.
- 32 is primary winding of transformer 27.
- 33 is adjustable condenser.
- 34 and 35 are windings of frequency transformers supplying current
through leads 36 and 37 to motor 38, or other power devices.
OPERATION OF THE INVENTION:
Having described the drawings will now describe the operation of my invention.
Throw switch 3 connecting feed wires 1 and 2 with transformer leads 6 and 7,
adjust spark gap 10 and condensr 11 so that a frequency of
500,000 and 100,000 volts is delivered from secondary leads 14 and 15 of step
up transformer 8 of Figure 1.
Next adjust spark gap 21 of transmission antennae 14 so that all nodes and
peaks are eliminated in the transmission of the 100,000 volts and
500,000 frequency along said antennae 14, by the surges occurring pass over the
gap 21 to lead 22 to adjustable condenser 23 to lead 24 to
ground 24' thence the high frequency current of 500,000 passes in return
through ground to ground 18 tence up lead 17 to adjustable
condenser 16 to lead 15 to secondary winding 13 of transformer 8.
The oscillatory current of 100,000 and frequency of 500,000 being of the same
frequency as the earth generated currents and thus in tune with
same it naturally follows that accumulation of the earth currents will
ASSIMILATE WITH THE SAME TUNED CIRCUITS and frequency
with those of the output from transformer 8 along wires 14 affording a
reservoir of high frequency currents to be drawn upon by a tuned
circuit HAVING THE SAME CHARACTERISTICS of 500,000 frequency capacity which is
shown in Figure 2.
The antennae 25 is tuned fundamentally to receive a frequency of 500,000 which
current passes to lead 26 through winidng 27' of transformer
27 thence to lead wire 28 through adjustable condenser 29 to lead wire 30 to
ground 31.
The high frequency currents of 500,000 and voltae of 100,000 passes through to
winding 32 and by adjustable condenser 33 and windings 34
and 35 of the frequency transformer 27 is stepped down to a voltage and
frequency suitable to operate motor 38 receiving current from leads 36
and 37. This makes available a current supply for any purpose what ever, such
as operation of areoplanes, automobiles, railway trains and
current for industrial plants, lighting, heating and etc...
The return of current through the earth from transmission antennae 14 is
preferable to a metallic return as a higher percentage of
accumulation of earth currents is noticeable on receiving antennae of Figure 2
than from a metallic return accountable for because of the
condenser effect the grounded circuit affords. I also prefer under certain
conditions to use a single antennae receiving wire in place of the
closed loop shown in Figure 2.
Under certain operation requirements I have found it expedient to have the
transmission antennae elevated and carried on poles many feet
above the earth and in that case a DIFFERENT voltage and frequency WAS
NECESSARY to accumulate earth currents along the
transmission antennae 14.
WHAT I CLAIM IS:
1. In an Electrical Power Accumulator, a syncronized oscillatory circuit
parallel with and in proximity to earth adapted to accumulate
and utilize current generated by the earth.
2. In an Electricial Power Accumulator, a syncronized oscillatory
circuit having same frequency as the earth generated currents, said
circuit parallel with and in proximity to the earth, said circuit
adapted to accumulate and utilize current generated by the earth
rotating on ist axis.
3. In a Electrical Power Accumulator, a high frequency oscillatory
generator grounded on one side with a connected antennae
grounded at further end through a spark gap said antennae adapted to
oscillate and radiate earth accumulated currents.
4. In a Electrical Power Accamulator, a high frequency oscillatory
generator grounded on one side with a connected antennae grounded
at further end through a spark gap said antennae adapted to oscillate
and radiate earth accumulated currents and receiving means
adapted to utilize said radiated earth accumulated currents said means
syncronized to pick up and utilize said radiated earth
currents.
5. In an Electrical Power Accumulator, a syncronized oscillatory circuit
parallel with and in proximity to earth adapted to accumulate
and utilize current generated by the earth using syneronised means to
pick up at a distance therefrom said radiated earth currents.
6. In an Electrical Power Accumulator, a syncronized oscillatory circuit
having same frequency as the earth generated currents, said
oscillatory circuit parallel with and in proximity to the earth, said
oscillatory circuit adapted to accumulated and radiate current
generated by the earth rotating on its axis and means adapted to utilize
said sycronized accumulated earth currents, picked up at a
distance from said oscillatory radiating circuit.
Meadville, Penna, Sept 18, 1923,
Signed Frank Wyatt Prentice, inventor.
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18 Feb 2004 06:05:09 AM |
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AQUATIC TRIPLICITY
WITH SCORPIO RISING
De l'aquatique triplicite naitra
D'un qui fera le jeudi pour sa fete
Of the aquatic triplicity will be born
One who will obtain Thursday for his feast
I suggest you read the medieval astrologers like Cornelius Agrippa,
William Lilly and Paracelsus. The ascending triplicity and the lord of
this triplicity are important factors in solving the birth chart.
The ascending triplicity is the triplicity of what is known as the
"rising sign."
The triplicity rulers vary according to whether birth is in day or
night. Not all astrologers agree on the triplicity lords:
Triplicity Lords
Day Night
Air Saturn Mercury
Fire Sun Jupiter
Earth Venus Moon
Water Mars Mars
So if Scorpio is rising your ascending triplicity is water and your
triplicity lord is Mars.
This is extremely arcane, and entirely unwarranted.
Triplicity is a simple concept, the same in English as French, from
the Latin "triplicitas," meaning a threefold quality: "The quality or
state of being triple or threefold; A group or combination of three."
The group of three in I.50 is set apart only in that they may all be
termed "aquatic": the most logical, simplest answer applied to
astrology is that they relate in some way to water signs - there is no
indication a Grand Trine involving all three water signs (Cancer,
Scorpio, and Pisces) is necessary.
And while each zodiacal sign is ruled by a certain planet, and has an
elemental association (earth, water, fire, air), and a quality (fixed,
cardinal, or mutable), the notion you have expounded appears outside
the realm of credibility, and does nothing towards explaining the
rather innocuous phrase, even if supported by some obscure document.
It is true that Scorpio is ruled by Mars (and Pluto), but that seems
irrelevant to the quatrain: for early October, the Sun sign is Libra,
ruled by Venus (like Taurus, where the Moon happened to be). The
aquatic triplicity condition as simply interpreted appeared to
encapsulate the overriding anomaly in the natal chart: that three
planets in water signs were at 7 degrees, 5x minutes, with two of them
conjuncting the Ascendant itself. Having examined a lot of charts for
notable quirks, it was immediately apparent.
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18 Feb 2004 08:22:20 PM |
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AQUATIC TRIPLICITY
WITH SCORPIO RISING
De l'aquatique triplicite naitra
D'un qui fera le jeudi pour sa fete
Of the aquatic triplicity will be born
One who will obtain Thursday for his feast
I suggest you read the medieval astrologers like Cornelius Agrippa,
William Lilly and Paracelsus. The ascending triplicity and the lord of
this triplicity are important factors in solving the birth chart.
The ascending triplicity is the triplicity of what is known as the
"rising sign."
The triplicity rulers vary according to whether birth is in day or
night. Not all astrologers agree on the triplicity lords:
Triplicity Lords
Day Night
Air Saturn Mercury
Fire Sun Jupiter
Earth Venus Moon
Water Mars Mars
So if Scorpio is rising your ascending triplicity is water and your
triplicity lord is Mars.
This is extremely arcane, and entirely unwarranted.
It is not unwarranted. It is the medieval astrology practiced in
France and England.
Triplicity is a simple concept, the same in English as French, from
the Latin "triplicitas," meaning a threefold quality: "The quality or
state of being triple or threefold; A group or combination of three."
The group of three in I.50 is set apart only in that they may all be
termed "aquatic": the most logical, simplest answer applied to
astrology is that they relate in some way to water signs - there is no
indication a Grand Trine involving all three water signs (Cancer,
Scorpio, and Pisces) is necessary.
Not a grand trine. In medieval astrology, everyone has a triplicity
that is indicated by the rising sign.
From William Lilly's "Christian Astrology" written in 1647 --
"As for example; let the Lord of the hour be Mars, let the sign of
Scorpio, Cancer or Pisces ascend, this question is then radical,
because Mars is Lord of the hour, and of the watery triplicity, or of
those signs Cancer, Scorpio or Pisces.
Again, let the Lord of the hour be Mars, and Aries ascend, the
question shall be radical, because mars is both Lord of he hour and
sign ascending.
Let the lord of the hour be Mars, and let the sign Leo ascend, here,
although the Sun is one of the Lords of the fiery triplicity, and sole
Lord of the sign Leo, yet shall the question be judged; because the
Sun, who is Lord of the ascendant, and Mars who is Lord of the hour,
are both of one nature, viz. hot and dry."
Notice that in both cases the triplicity of the native is determined
by the ascending sign.
In the case of the quatrain involved, the prophesied person should be
born on a Thursday with one of the watery signs rising.
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19 Feb 2004 07:02:53 AM |
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AQUATIC TRIPLICITY
WITH SCORPIO RISING
De l'aquatique triplicite naitra
D'un qui fera le jeudi pour sa fete
Of the aquatic triplicity will be born
One who will obtain Thursday for his feast
I suggest you read the medieval astrologers like Cornelius Agrippa,
William Lilly and Paracelsus. The ascending triplicity and the lord of
this triplicity are important factors in solving the birth chart.
The ascending triplicity is the triplicity of what is known as the
"rising sign."
The triplicity rulers vary according to whether birth is in day or
night. Not all astrologers agree on the triplicity lords:
Triplicity Lords
Day Night
Air Saturn Mercury
Fire Sun Jupiter
Earth Venus Moon
Water Mars Mars
So if Scorpio is rising your ascending triplicity is water and your
triplicity lord is Mars.
This is extremely arcane, and entirely unwarranted.
It is not unwarranted. It is the medieval astrology practiced in
France and England.
Triplicity is a simple concept, the same in English as French, from
the Latin "triplicitas," meaning a threefold quality: "The quality or
state of being triple or threefold; A group or combination of three."
The group of three in I.50 is set apart only in that they may all be
termed "aquatic": the most logical, simplest answer applied to
astrology is that they relate in some way to water signs - there is no
indication a Grand Trine involving all three water signs (Cancer,
Scorpio, and Pisces) is necessary.
Not a grand trine. In medieval astrology, everyone has a triplicity
that is indicated by the rising sign.
From William Lilly's "Christian Astrology" written in 1647 --
"As for example; let the Lord of the hour be Mars, let the sign of
Scorpio, Cancer or Pisces ascend, this question is then radical,
because Mars is Lord of the hour, and of the watery triplicity, or of
those signs Cancer, Scorpio or Pisces.
Again, let the Lord of the hour be Mars, and Aries ascend, the
question shall be radical, because mars is both Lord of he hour and
sign ascending.
Let the lord of the hour be Mars, and let the sign Leo ascend, here,
although the Sun is one of the Lords of the fiery triplicity, and sole
Lord of the sign Leo, yet shall the question be judged; because the
Sun, who is Lord of the ascendant, and Mars who is Lord of the hour,
are both of one nature, viz. hot and dry."
Notice that in both cases the triplicity of the native is determined
by the ascending sign.
This is not my reading of the passages quoted: it seems to be
comparing the concept of "Lord of the hour" (a planetary association
whose derivation I cannot ascertain from the fragment given, here
using Mars in example) with the plotting of the Ascendant. ANY sign
will belong to one of the four "elemental triplicities" by definition,
since there are three each for fire, earth, air, and water,
respectively.
"watery": Cancer, Scorpio, Pisces
"fiery": Aries, Leo, Sagittarius
"earthy": Taurus, Virgo, Capricorn
"airy": Gemini, Libra, Aquarius
The writing seems to predate the modern associations of Cancer with
the Moon and Pisces with Jupiter, having all water signs ruled by
Mars, as only Scorpio is currently.
Aries is noted as being ruled by Mars (as it still is), with a
commentary regarding the condition where the "Lord of the hour" is
also Mars.
Then the condition is examined wherein the Ascendant is plotted in
Leo, again with the "Lord of the hour" being Mars: Leo is ruled by the
Sun, thus the Sun is one of the rulers among fire signs (an obvious
remark, Leo being a fire sign), the others being Mars (for Aries) and
Jupiter (for Sagittarius); Mars and the Sun are compared and both
found to be "hot and dry" (an archaic observation). No comparisons
were made in the other cases, since they all involved Mars-Mars.
It is true that I.50 line 1 COULD merely be referring to ANY water
sign, since they represent a "triplicity" by the mere definition of
their existence: this would not only leave the question open as to
WHICH water sign is involved, but also HOW it plays a role in the
natal chart - Sun sign, OR Ascendant (the position of the Moon would
be unlikely to deserve special notice). Since such a vague prediction
appears unworthy of Nostradamus, my supposition is that a specific
peculiarity in the chart is the subject, involving three planetary
bodies notably aspecting while in water signs: this would be of
greater value as a prophecy, with a greater potential for
confirmation. It would only be a confusing coincidence that the
"aquatic" feature is itself triplicate by nature.
In the case of the quatrain involved, the prophesied person should be
born on a Thursday with one of the watery signs rising.
The birth was the subject of the first line, destiny is predicted in
the second: as stated several times already, "obtaining a feastday" is
a concept involving veneration of the day of death, as for saints in
the RCC. To have written this so that everyone born with a water sign
rising would wonder whether they were the person in question is
absurd, and narrowing them down by only the ones born on Thursday is
not indicated at all. It is highly unlikely that prophecies are
written about babies whose lives may become significant: rather,
people whose significance is manifest may have their roles confirmed
by unusual specific details regarding their natal charts being
revealed.
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19 Feb 2004 01:59:32 PM |
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AQUATIC TRIPLICITY
WITH SCORPIO RISING
De l'aquatique triplicite naitra
D'un qui fera le jeudi pour sa fete
Of the aquatic triplicity will be born
One who will obtain Thursday for his feast
I suggest you read the medieval astrologers like Cornelius Agrippa,
William Lilly and Paracelsus. The ascending triplicity and the lord of
this triplicity are important factors in solving the birth chart.
The ascending triplicity is the triplicity of what is known as the
"rising sign."
The triplicity rulers vary according to whether birth is in day or
night. Not all astrologers agree on the triplicity lords:
Triplicity Lords
Day Night
Air Saturn Mercury
Fire Sun Jupiter
Earth Venus Moon
Water Mars Mars
So if Scorpio is rising your ascending triplicity is water and your
triplicity lord is Mars.
This is extremely arcane, and entirely unwarranted.
It is not unwarranted. It is the medieval astrology practiced in
France and England.
Triplicity is a simple concept, the same in English as French, from
the Latin "triplicitas," meaning a threefold quality: "The quality or
state of being triple or threefold; A group or combination of three."
The group of three in I.50 is set apart only in that they may all be
termed "aquatic": the most logical, simplest answer applied to
astrology is that they relate in some way to water signs - there is no
indication a Grand Trine involving all three water signs (Cancer,
Scorpio, and Pisces) is necessary.
Not a grand trine. In medieval astrology, everyone has a triplicity
that is indicated by the rising sign.
From William Lilly's "Christian Astrology" written in 1647 --
"As for example; let the Lord of the hour be Mars, let the sign of
Scorpio, Cancer or Pisces ascend, this question is then radical,
because Mars is Lord of the hour, and of the watery triplicity, or of
those signs Cancer, Scorpio or Pisces.
Again, let the Lord of the hour be Mars, and Aries ascend, the
question shall be radical, because mars is both Lord of he hour and
sign ascending.
Let the lord of the hour be Mars, and let the sign Leo ascend, here,
although the Sun is one of the Lords of the fiery triplicity, and sole
Lord of the sign Leo, yet shall the question be judged; because the
Sun, who is Lord of the ascendant, and Mars who is Lord of the hour,
are both of one nature, viz. hot and dry."
Notice that in both cases the triplicity of the native is determined
by the ascending sign.
This is not my reading of the passages quoted: it seems to be
comparing the concept of "Lord of the hour" (a planetary association
whose derivation I cannot ascertain from the fragment given, here
using Mars in example) with the plotting of the Ascendant. ANY sign
will belong to one of the four "elemental triplicities" by definition,
since there are three each for fire, earth, air, and water,
respectively.
Obviously you have little familiarity with medieval astrology. In the
first example, a water sign ascends so Mars becomes lord as he rules
the watery (aquatic) triplicity. In the second example, Leo rises and
the Sun is the day-lord of the fiery triplicity.
The triplicity in a chart is indicated by the ascending sign. Again
from Lilly in relation to a horary chart for a question regarding
children (caps are mine):
"
Behold the Ascendant, and if fortunate Planets behold the same, and
the Lord thereof be in the Ascendant, or in the l0th, 11th or 5th
house, and you finde Jupiter also well placed together with that
Planet who is Lord of the TRIPLICITY ASCENDING, and he be not Combust
or Retrograde; judge then, if the Man aske the Question, he may have
Children, or is capable of getting them."
So, here again the sign ascending determines the Triplicity Lord.
In the case of the quatrain involved, the prophesied person should be
born on a Thursday with one of the watery signs rising.
The birth was the subject of the first line, destiny is predicted in
the second: as stated several times already, "obtaining a feastday" is
a concept involving veneration of the day of death, as for saints in
the RCC.
You miss the meaning entirely. It is the native who celebrates
Thursday as his "fete" not so much others. A fete can be a simple
celebration of any kind not only an observance of a saint's death.
It is highly unlikely that prophecies are
written about babies whose lives may become significant: rather,
people whose significance is manifest may have their roles confirmed
by unusual specific details regarding their natal charts being
revealed.
Such prophecies giving details of birth are not at all unsual. However
regarding events of significance these are given in the last two
lines:
His renown, praise, rule and power will increase
on land and sea, a tempest in the East.
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AQUATIC TRIPLICITY
WITH SCORPIO RISING
De l'aquatique triplicite naitra
D'un qui fera le jeudi pour sa fete
Of the aquatic triplicity will be born
One who will obtain Thursday for his feast
I suggest you read the medieval astrologers like Cornelius Agrippa,
William Lilly and Paracelsus. The ascending triplicity and the lord of
this triplicity are important factors in solving the birth chart.
The ascending triplicity is the triplicity of what is known as the
"rising sign."
The triplicity rulers vary according to whether birth is in day or
night. Not all astrologers agree on the triplicity lords:
Triplicity Lords
Day Night
Air Saturn Mercury
Fire Sun Jupiter
Earth Venus Moon
Water Mars Mars
So if Scorpio is rising your ascending triplicity is water and your
triplicity lord is Mars.
This is extremely arcane, and entirely unwarranted.
It is not unwarranted. It is the medieval astrology practiced in
France and England.
Triplicity is a simple concept, the same in English as French, from
the Latin "triplicitas," meaning a threefold quality: "The quality or
state of being triple or threefold; A group or combination of three."
The group of three in I.50 is set apart only in that they may all be
termed "aquatic": the most logical, simplest answer applied to
astrology is that they relate in some way to water signs - there is no
indication a Grand Trine involving all three water signs (Cancer,
Scorpio, and Pisces) is necessary.
Not a grand trine. In medieval astrology, everyone has a triplicity
that is indicated by the rising sign.
From William Lilly's "Christian Astrology" written in 1647 --
"As for example; let the Lord of the hour be Mars, let the sign of
Scorpio, Cancer or Pisces ascend, this question is then radical,
because Mars is Lord of the hour, and of the watery triplicity, or of
those signs Cancer, Scorpio or Pisces.
Again, let the Lord of the hour be Mars, and Aries ascend, the
question shall be radical, because mars is both Lord of he hour and
sign ascending.
Let the lord of the hour be Mars, and let the sign Leo ascend, here,
although the Sun is one of the Lords of the fiery triplicity, and sole
Lord of the sign Leo, yet shall the question be judged; because the
Sun, who is Lord of the ascendant, and Mars who is Lord of the hour,
are both of one nature, viz. hot and dry."
Notice that in both cases the triplicity of the native is determined
by the ascending sign.
This is not my reading of the passages quoted: it seems to be
comparing the concept of "Lord of the hour" (a planetary association
whose derivation I cannot ascertain from the fragment given, here
using Mars in example) with the plotting of the Ascendant. ANY sign
will belong to one of the four "elemental triplicities" by definition,
since there are three each for fire, earth, air, and water,
respectively.
Obviously you have little familiarity with medieval astrology.
I never claimed to be familiar with medieval astrology.
And you have not established that it is relevant to Nostradamus'
prophecies.
You've also edited out my evaluation without making note of that fact,
so conversing with you is probably a waste of time.
In the
first example, a water sign ascends so Mars becomes lord as he rules
the watery (aquatic) triplicity. In the second example, Leo rises and
the Sun is the day-lord of the fiery triplicity.
"Let the Lord of the hour be Mars" is how it began, which means that
was a given state before the Ascendant was even mentioned, so your
logic regarding cause-and-effect is questionable, and I have no reason
to believe your interpretation. The passage said nothing about a
"day-lord" either: if this point was so essential, you should have
included that passage as well, rather than simply stating it as common
knowledge, when it clearly is not.
The triplicity in a chart is indicated by the ascending sign. Again
from Lilly in relation to a horary chart for a question regarding
children (caps are mine):
"
Behold the Ascendant, and if fortunate Planets behold the same, and
the Lord thereof be in the Ascendant, or in the l0th, 11th or 5th
house, and you finde Jupiter also well placed together with that
Planet who is Lord of the TRIPLICITY ASCENDING, and he be not Combust
or Retrograde; judge then, if the Man aske the Question, he may have
Children, or is capable of getting them."
So, here again the sign ascending determines the Triplicity Lord.
Whatever I say, you will obviously continue repeating this, although
I've already explained why such an interpretation would make the
prophecy too vague to be of any use whatsoever. Do you realize how
many people have a water sign as their Ascendant? It would be about
one-fourth of the people on the planet, using simple statistics!
In the case of the quatrain involved, the prophesied person should be
born on a Thursday with one of the watery signs rising.
The birth was the subject of the first line, destiny is predicted in
the second: as stated several times already, "obtaining a feastday" is
a concept involving veneration of the day of death, as for saints in
the RCC.
You miss the meaning entirely. It is the native who celebrates
Thursday as his "fete" not so much others. A fete can be a simple
celebration of any kind not only an observance of a saint's death.
This is absolutely ridiculous. How can an infant "make" ("fera,"
future tense of "faire," to do or make) their date of birth be on a
certain day of the week? And you apparently choose to forget that
birthdays are celebrated on calendar dates, not going by days of the
week. In my opinion you are so encumbered by your pseudo-intellectual
dependence on unrelated contemporary texts that you lack the simple
common sense necessary to utilize these prophecies to any effective
purpose. Contrast that with my own analyses, which have yielded
conjectures proven correct on numerous occasions (most recently,
having chosen February 1st 2003 as a critical date 16 months prior to
the Columbia shuttle disaster, and having a warning regarding the 2003
Winter Solstice that shortly preceded the massively lethal Bam, Iran
quake).
Yes, it literally says a "feast," but to view it as a newborn's
birthday party is laughable: the parties begin a year AFTER birth,
don't they?
It is highly unlikely that prophecies are
written about babies whose lives may become significant: rather,
people whose significance is manifest may have their roles confirmed
by unusual specific details regarding their natal charts being
revealed.
Such prophecies giving details of birth are not at all unsual.
I made the same point elsewhere on this thread concerning V.41 and
Pope John Paul II's birth on the day of a total solar eclipse. Your
reading simply goes against the obvious context in I.50, which is that
only the first line offers natal information.
However
regarding events of significance these are given in the last two
lines:
His renown, praise, rule and power will increase
on land and sea, a tempest in the East.
And I have commented on this also, which was probably designed to be
viewed at the time of writing in the manner you have used (lauding the
power of a royal), but only as a ruse for a more ominous prediction of
a massive disaster. It would be another discussion to explain where
certain quatrains have been shown to be fulfilled in halves (see my
commentaries on V.86 regarding both the EgyptAir 990 crash in 1999,
and the August 1999 Istanbul quake, for example). Notice that in
French "son" can mean "his" as well as "its": Nostradamus never
promised to make things clear or easy - in fact, just the opposite!
Compare this latter portion with VI.70, keeping an open mind (if that
is possible for you!) that an obsession with royalty is unlikely to
play a major role in these prophecies.
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AQUATIC TRIPLICITY
WITH SCORPIO RISING
De l'aquatique triplicite naitra
D'un qui fera le jeudi pour sa fete
Of the aquatic triplicity will be born
One who will obtain Thursday for his feast
I suggest you read the medieval astrologers like Cornelius Agrippa,
William Lilly and Paracelsus. The ascending triplicity and the lord of
this triplicity are important factors in solving the birth chart.
The ascending triplicity is the triplicity of what is known as the
"rising sign."
The triplicity rulers vary according to whether birth is in day or
night. Not all astrologers agree on the triplicity lords:
Triplicity Lords
Day Night
Air Saturn Mercury
Fire Sun Jupiter
Earth Venus Moon
Water Mars Mars
So if Scorpio is rising your ascending triplicity is water and your
triplicity lord is Mars.
This is extremely arcane, and entirely unwarranted.
It is not unwarranted. It is the medieval astrology practiced in
France and England.
Triplicity is a simple concept, the same in English as French, from
the Latin "triplicitas," meaning a threefold quality: "The quality or
state of being triple or threefold; A group or combination of three."
The group of three in I.50 is set apart only in that they may all be
termed "aquatic": the most logical, simplest answer applied to
astrology is that they relate in some way to water signs - there is no
indication a Grand Trine involving all three water signs (Cancer,
Scorpio, and Pisces) is necessary.
Not a grand trine. In medieval astrology, everyone has a triplicity
that is indicated by the rising sign.
From William Lilly's "Christian Astrology" written in 1647 --
"As for example; let the Lord of the hour be Mars, let the sign of
Scorpio, Cancer or Pisces ascend, this question is then radical,
because Mars is Lord of the hour, and of the watery triplicity, or of
those signs Cancer, Scorpio or Pisces.
Again, let the Lord of the hour be Mars, and Aries ascend, the
question shall be radical, because mars is both Lord of he hour and
sign ascending.
Let the lord of the hour be Mars, and let the sign Leo ascend, here,
although the Sun is one of the Lords of the fiery triplicity, and sole
Lord of the sign Leo, yet shall the question be judged; because the
Sun, who is Lord of the ascendant, and Mars who is Lord of the hour,
are both of one nature, viz. hot and dry."
Notice that in both cases the triplicity of the native is determined
by the ascending sign.
This is not my reading of the passages quoted: it seems to be
comparing the concept of "Lord of the hour" (a planetary association
whose derivation I cannot ascertain from the fragment given, here
using Mars in example) with the plotting of the Ascendant. ANY sign
will belong to one of the four "elemental triplicities" by definition,
since there are three each for fire, earth, air, and water,
respectively.
Obviously you have little familiarity with medieval astrology.
I never claimed to be familiar with medieval astrology.
And you have not established that it is relevant to Nostradamus'
prophecies.
You've also edited out my evaluation without making note of that fact,
so conversing with you is probably a waste of time.
In the
first example, a water sign ascends so Mars becomes lord as he rules
the watery (aquatic) triplicity. In the second example, Leo rises and
the Sun is the day-lord of the fiery triplicity.
"Let the Lord of the hour be Mars" is how it began, which means that
was a given state before the Ascendant was even mentioned, so your
logic regarding cause-and-effect is questionable, and I have no reason
to believe your interpretation. The passage said nothing about a
"day-lord" either: if this point was so essential, you should have
included that passage as well, rather than simply stating it as common
knowledge, when it clearly is not.
The lord of the hour and the lord of the triplicity are calculated
differently. In this case, Lilly is discussing when these two lords
happen to be the same planet. The day lords are given in my first
response to your message. Since you are not familiar with medieval
astrology, the type used by Nostradamus himself, you are simply
ill-equipped for this discussion.
The triplicity in a chart is indicated by the ascending sign. Again
from Lilly in relation to a horary chart for a question regarding
children (caps are mine):
"
Behold the Ascendant, and if fortunate Planets behold the same, and
the Lord thereof be in the Ascendant, or in the l0th, 11th or 5th
house, and you finde Jupiter also well placed together with that
Planet who is Lord of the TRIPLICITY ASCENDING, and he be not Combust
or Retrograde; judge then, if the Man aske the Question, he may have
Children, or is capable of getting them."
So, here again the sign ascending determines the Triplicity Lord.
Whatever I say, you will obviously continue repeating this, although
I've already explained why such an interpretation would make the
prophecy too vague to be of any use whatsoever. Do you realize how
many people have a water sign as their Ascendant? It would be about
one-fourth of the people on the planet, using simple statistics!
So? That is only one clue that Nostradamus gives on this person.
There may be dozens of prophecies concerning the same native. For
example, there is another prophecy which mentions Thursday. Whether
it is related or not to the same birth is a matter of interpretation.
The earth and air will freeze a very great sea,
When they will come to venerate Thursday:
That which will be never was so fair,
From the four parts they will come to honor him.
In the case of the quatrain involved, the prophesied person should be
born on a Thursday with one of the watery signs rising.
The birth was the subject of the first line, destiny is predicted in
the second: as stated several times already, "obtaining a feastday" is
a concept involving veneration of the day of death, as for saints in
the RCC.
You miss the meaning entirely. It is the native who celebrates
Thursday as his "fete" not so much others. A fete can be a simple
celebration of any kind not only an observance of a saint's death.
This is absolutely ridiculous. How can an infant "make" ("fera,"
future tense of "faire," to do or make) their date of birth be on a
certain day of the week?
How can a dead person "make" his feastday (lol). Obviously his
celebrates his birthday latter on. It may have been synchronous with a
holiday. Whether the anniversary is birth or death in modern times it
would not be connected to a day of the week unless some other event
was linked.
It is highly unlikely that prophecies are
written about babies whose lives may become significant: rather,
people whose significance is manifest may have their roles confirmed
by unusual specific details regarding their natal charts being
revealed.
Such prophecies giving details of birth are not at all unsual.
I made the same point elsewhere on this thread concerning V.41 and
Pope John Paul II's birth on the day of a total solar eclipse. Your
reading simply goes against the obvious context in I.50, which is that
only the first line offers natal information.
However
regarding events of significance these are given in the last two
lines:
His renown, praise, rule and power will increase
on land and sea, a tempest in the East.
And I have commented on this also, which was probably designed to be
viewed at the time of writing in the manner you have used (lauding the
power of a royal), but only as a ruse for a more ominous prediction of
a massive disaster.
There is no disaster mentioned or hinted at. This is just your own
free interpretation based on a total lack of knowledge of Nostradamus'
astrological thinking.
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25 Feb 2004 05:02:43 AM |
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I suggest you read the medieval astrologers like Cornelius Agrippa,
William Lilly and Paracelsus. The ascending triplicity and the lord of
this triplicity are important factors in solving the birth chart.
The ascending triplicity is the triplicity of what is known as the
"rising sign."
The triplicity rulers vary according to whether birth is in day or
night. Not all astrologers agree on the triplicity lords:
Triplicity Lords
Day Night
Air Saturn Mercury
Fire Sun Jupiter
Earth Venus Moon
Water Mars Mars
So if Scorpio is rising your ascending triplicity is water and your
triplicity lord is Mars.
From William Lilly's "Christian Astrology" written in 1647 --
"As for example; let the Lord of the hour be Mars, let the sign of
Scorpio, Cancer or Pisces ascend, this question is then radical,
because Mars is Lord of the hour, and of the watery triplicity, or of
those signs Cancer, Scorpio or Pisces.
Again, let the Lord of the hour be Mars, and Aries ascend, the
question shall be radical, because mars is both Lord of he hour and
sign ascending.
Let the lord of the hour be Mars, and let the sign Leo ascend, here,
although the Sun is one of the Lords of the fiery triplicity, and sole
Lord of the sign Leo, yet shall the question be judged; because the
Sun, who is Lord of the ascendant, and Mars who is Lord of the hour,
are both of one nature, viz. hot and dry."
Notice that in both cases the triplicity of the native is determined
by the ascending sign.
In the
first example, a water sign ascends so Mars becomes lord as he rules
the watery (aquatic) triplicity. In the second example, Leo rises and
the Sun is the day-lord of the fiery triplicity.
The lord of the hour and the lord of the triplicity are calculated
differently. In this case, Lilly is discussing when these two lords
happen to be the same planet. The day lords are given in my first
response to your message.
There were three cases, and your statement is only true for the first
case: clearly Aries is a fire sign in the second case, for which the
Sun (day) or Jupiter (night) could be attributed as "triplicty lord" -
but instead MARS appears in the commentary as both lord of the hour
AND triplicity lord! And in the third case another fire sign, Leo, is
ascending, for whom the SOLE lord is said to be the Sun (no
possibility of Jupiter), which is contrasted with Mars as lord of the
hour. Your theories are inconsistent AND irrelevant!!
Since you are not familiar with medieval
astrology, the type used by Nostradamus himself, you are simply
ill-equipped for this discussion.
I'll chance it anyway, since you still haven't (and obviously cannot)
prove relevancy...
The triplicity in a chart is indicated by the ascending sign. Again
from Lilly in relation to a horary chart for a question regarding
children (caps are mine):
"
Behold the Ascendant, and if fortunate Planets behold the same, and
the Lord thereof be in the Ascendant, or in the l0th, 11th or 5th
house, and you finde Jupiter also well placed together with that
Planet who is Lord of the TRIPLICITY ASCENDING, and he be not Combust
or Retrograde; judge then, if the Man aske the Question, he may have
Children, or is capable of getting them."
So, here again the sign ascending determines the Triplicity Lord.
Whatever I say, you will obviously continue repeating this, although
I've already explained why such an interpretation would make the
prophecy too vague to be of any use whatsoever. Do you realize how
many people have a water sign as their Ascendant? It would be about
one-fourth of the people on the planet, using simple statistics!
So?
So that's BILLIONS of people now, rendering such a prophecy USELESS
and therefore EXTREMELY unlikely to be the correct interpretation!
That is only one clue that Nostradamus gives on this person.
But if you get it as wrong as you have, it is no clue at all.
There may be dozens of prophecies concerning the same native.
And how would you recognize them? You simply could not.
For
example, there is another prophecy which mentions Thursday.
Here, you make an excellent point. X.71 bears a line which may
parallel I.50 line 2. That is not to say YOU would recognize its
fulfillment!
Whether
it is related or not to the same birth is a matter of interpretation.
Well that is the challenge after all, isn't it?
The earth and air will freeze a very great sea,
When they will come to venerate Thursday:
That which will be never was so fair,
From the four parts they will come to honor him.
Note: the original French literally says a "great water," not
necessarily a sea, but otherwise an acceptable translation; except the
final word could also be "it" - time will tell.
In the case of the quatrain involved, the prophesied person should be
born on a Thursday with one of the watery signs rising.
The birth was the subject of the first line, destiny is predicted in
the second: as stated several times already, "obtaining a feastday" is
a concept involving veneration of the day of death, as for saints in
the RCC.
You miss the meaning entirely.
I've said the same of your theory...
It is the native who celebrates
Thursday as his "fete" not so much others. A fete can be a simple
celebration of any kind not only an observance of a saint's death.
This is absolutely ridiculous. How can an infant "make" ("fera,"
future tense of "faire," to do or make) their date of birth be on a
certain day of the week?
How can a dead person "make" his feastday (lol).
I was expecting you to think this. A "dead person" obviously is
finished "doing" anything: but if it is a feastday, the death could be
akin to martyrdom, meaning being killed for worthy acts done during
lifetime - so it is quite logical in that sense. Also the day of the
week on which one dies is part of history (as is the day of birth, of
course), so it does not have to be celebrated only on Thursday
thereafter, as you have presumed below:
Obviously his
celebrates his birthday latter on. It may have been synchronous with a
holiday. Whether the anniversary is birth or death in modern times it
would not be connected to a day of the week unless some other event
was linked.
Your idea about Thanksgiving was my turn to laugh out loud!!
Your
reading simply goes against the obvious context in I.50, which is that
only the first line offers natal information.
However
regarding events of significance these are given in the last two
lines:
His renown, praise, rule and power will increase
on land and sea, a tempest in the East.
And I have commented on this also, which was probably designed to be
viewed at the time of writing in the manner you have used (lauding the
power of a royal), but only as a ruse for a more ominous prediction of
a massive disaster.
There is no disaster mentioned or hinted at.
Oh, he didn't make it clear enough for you? "A *TEMPEST*" doesn't
sound like a forceful event?! YOU choose to read "son" as "he"
instead of "it": there is no way to be absolutely sure of which is
right, but how many "tempestuous" people do you know?
This is just your own
free interpretation based on a total lack of knowledge of Nostradamus'
astrological thinking.
It's as valid as your bringing up X.71, and I've proven my application
of astrology on the prophecies many more times than I care to mention
(convenient of you to ignore the ones I already did). How's your
track record?!
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How can a dead person "make" his feastday (lol).
I was expecting you to think this. A "dead person" obviously is
finished "doing" anything: but if it is a feastday, the death could be
akin to martyrdom, meaning being killed for worthy acts done during
lifetime - so it is quite logical in that sense. Also the day of the
week on which one dies is part of history (as is the day of birth, of
course), so it does not have to be celebrated only on Thursday
thereafter, as you have presumed below:
The quatrain mentions it as a fete celebrated on Thursday by the
native himself. Nobody would fete their own death!!!
Obviously his
celebrates his birthday latter on. It may have been synchronous with a
holiday. Whether the anniversary is birth or death in modern times it
would not be connected to a day of the week unless some other event
was linked.
Your idea about Thanksgiving was my turn to laugh out loud!!
It is superior to anything you have proferred. Thanksgiving occurs
always on a Thursday. If the native was born on Thanksgiving, then
every four years his birthday would fall on Thanksgiving and a
Thursday.
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How can a dead person "make" his feastday (lol).
I was expecting you to think this. A "dead person" obviously is
finished "doing" anything: but if it is a feastday, the death could be
akin to martyrdom, meaning being killed for worthy acts done during
lifetime - so it is quite logical in that sense. Also the day of the
week on which one dies is part of history (as is the day of birth, of
course), so it does not have to be celebrated only on Thursday
thereafter, as you have presumed below:
The quatrain mentions it as a fete celebrated on Thursday by the
native himself. Nobody would fete their own death!!!
It says NOTHING about him "celebrating" anything: you have interjected
this, apparently since a "fete" is a party to you, and you're
thinking, "Where's the birthday cake?"
Again, you are unable to separate your presumptions and prejudices
from the actual prophecies...
Obviously his
celebrates his birthday latter on. It may have been synchronous with a
holiday. Whether the anniversary is birth or death in modern times it
would not be connected to a day of the week unless some other event
was linked.
Your idea about Thanksgiving was my turn to laugh out loud!!
It is superior to anything you have proferred.
Your feeble assessment.
Still waiting for your track record, or even a reasonable debunking of
my own...
And congrats on being able to edit out my other pertinent comments!
Like your notion about a "tempest" not being even a hint of disaster,
remember?
Thanksgiving occurs
always on a Thursday.
Oh, really?! Wow, then that MUST have been what he meant!!
That's what you want to hear, so you probably won't sense the sarcasm.
If the native was born on Thanksgiving, then
every four years his birthday would fall on Thanksgiving and a
Thursday.
You forgot about leap years, and seven days of the week, Einstein:
there are fourteen different year patterns, so wrong again (I guess we
can chalk that up to election year anxiety). In addition to the fact
that you are only holding to the idea this line is about the birth at
all because your idea for the first line is so completely absurd you
need to rein it in somehow.
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26 Feb 2004 11:15:22 AM |
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How can a dead person "make" his feastday (lol).
The quatrain mentions it as a fete celebrated on Thursday by the
native himself. Nobody would fete their own death!!!
It says NOTHING about him "celebrating" anything: you have interjected
this, apparently since a "fete" is a party to you, and you're
thinking, "Where's the birthday cake?"
What is your interpretation of a fete? If he is dead he cannot do
anything right? <lol>
Obviously his
celebrates his birthday latter on. It may have been synchronous with a
holiday. Whether the anniversary is birth or death in modern times it
would not be connected to a day of the week unless some other event
was linked.
Your idea about Thanksgiving was my turn to laugh out loud!!
It is superior to anything you have proferred.
Your feeble assessment.
Still waiting for your track record, or even a reasonable debunking of
my own...
You seem to be the only one here lauding your record. Tooting one's
own horn.
Thanksgiving occurs
always on a Thursday.
Oh, really?! Wow, then that MUST have been what he meant!!
That's what you want to hear, so you probably won't sense the sarcasm.
If the native was born on Thanksgiving, then
every four years his birthday would fall on Thanksgiving and a
Thursday.
You forgot about leap years, and seven days of the week, Einstein:
Not only do you not know astrology but you do not know calendrics
either.
If you are born on a Thanksgiving, every four years your birth date
will land on Thanksgiving-Thursday. This does take into account leap
years (duh). Ask anybody born on Thanksgiving.
Now how obvious is it to any sane person that the quatrain refers to a
person rather than a disaster of some kind. Otherwise who is the one
born in the first verse... oh, wait a minute, that's supposed to be
you!!!
Obviously you were not born on a Thursday or a holiday so now you want
to make your "fete" on your day of death. I guess you will throw a
big bash on that Thursday just before kicking the bucket.
Nostradamus predicted a true madman!
But seriously the person was/is/will be born on a Thursday that
happens to be a holiday with a water sign rising, somewhere in the
"east." He will rise to quite high station. Probably the same person
as in this quatrain:
Long awaited he will never return
In Europe, he will appear in Asia:
One of the league issued from the great Hermes,
And he will grow over all the Kings of the East.
From the three water signs will be born a man
who will celebrate Thursday as his holiday.
His renown, praise, rule and power will increase
on land and sea, a tempest in the East.
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27 Feb 2004 03:33:12 AM |
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How can a dead person "make" his feastday (lol).
The quatrain mentions it as a fete celebrated on Thursday by the
native himself. Nobody would fete their own death!!!
It says NOTHING about him "celebrating" anything: you have interjected
this, apparently since a "fete" is a party to you, and you're
thinking, "Where's the birthday cake?"
What is your interpretation of a fete? If he is dead he cannot do
anything right? <lol>
"Fete": f. feast; festival; holiday; PATRON SAINT'S DAY
One can ONLY have the latter by dying, as that is the date on which it
is set.
Obviously his
celebrates his birthday latter on. It may have been synchronous with a
holiday. Whether the anniversary is birth or death in modern times it
would not be connected to a day of the week unless some other event
was linked.
Your idea about Thanksgiving was my turn to laugh out loud!!
It is superior to anything you have proferred.
Your feeble assessment.
Still waiting for your track record, or even a reasonable debunking of
my own...
You seem to be the only one here lauding your record. Tooting one's
own horn.
That is how it usually works here. Everyone has their own theories
which they argue and defend, and if anyone says something that turns
out to be correct the most likely reaction is debunking. If I do not
remind people of the times when I have been right (and there ARE many,
which you would see if you had bothered to use the search engine
rather than attack like a pit bull), offering my conjectures as the
opinions of someone who has NEVER been correct would be a disservice,
since most people have had NO accuracy whatsoever in using these
prophecies by any stretch of the imagination.
Thanksgiving occurs
always on a Thursday.
Oh, really?! Wow, then that MUST have been what he meant!!
That's what you want to hear, so you probably won't sense the sarcasm.
If the native was born on Thanksgiving, then
every four years his birthday would fall on Thanksgiving and a
Thursday.
You forgot about leap years, and seven days of the week, Einstein:
Not only do you not know astrology but you do not know calendrics
either. If you are born on a Thanksgiving, every four years your birth date
will land on Thanksgiving-Thursday. This does take into account leap
years (duh). Ask anybody born on Thanksgiving.
I didn't think enough of your Thanksgiving theory to bother testing
this out (NOTHING was written in I.50 about "every four years," so it
wasn't pertinent and wouldn't prove anything either way), relying on
the fact that my universal calendar has 14 possible year patterns.
Okay, fourth Thursday November 1980 on the 27th; fourth Thursday Nov
1984 on the 22nd; 4th Thursday Nov 1988 on the 24th; 4th Thursday Nov
1992 on the 26th; 4th Thursday Nov 1996 on the 22nd [YOU GOT A MATCH!
- ONLY HAD TO WAIT TWELVE YEARS!]; 4th Thursday Nov 2000 on the
23rd...
Do you REALLY know anybody born on a Thanksgiving?
Here's the problem: you ONLY accounted for leap years - I said leap
years AND days of the week come into play TOGETHER. That is why there
are FOURTEEN patterns: a set of seven (starting the year on each
respective day of the week) WITH a 29th day in February (the "leap
years," used once every four years); AND a set of seven starting on
each day of the week WITHOUT a Feb 29 - thus providing 14 patterns!!
I'll edit out the rest of your ranting to save you some embarrassment,
and because you're really beginning to tick me off...
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27 Feb 2004 01:49:08 PM |
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You seem to be the only one here lauding your record. Tooting one's
own horn.
That is how it usually works here.
Hmm, so everyone else thinks you're a madman and it's ok with you. Has
no ever agreed with you on anything?
Not only do you not know astrology but you do not know calendrics
either. If you are born on a Thanksgiving, every four years your birth date
will land on Thanksgiving-Thursday. This does take into account leap
years (duh). Ask anybody born on Thanksgiving.
I didn't think enough of your Thanksgiving theory to bother testing
this out (NOTHING was written in I.50 about "every four years," so it
wasn't pertinent and wouldn't prove anything either way), relying on
the fact that my universal calendar has 14 possible year patterns.
Okay, fourth Thursday November 1980 on the 27th;
Fourth Thursday November 27, 1986.
fourth Thursday Nov > 1984 on the 22nd;
Fourth Thursday November 22, 1990.
4th Thursday Nov 1988 on the 24th;
Fourth Thursday November 24, 1994.
4th Thursday Nov > 1992 on the 26th;
4th Thursday Nov 1996 on the 22nd [YOU GOT A MATCH!> - ONLY HAD TO
WAIT TWELVE YEARS!];
Fourth Thursday November 22, 2002.
Ok, it is every 6 years rather than 4 years. This was a failure of
memory rather than calculation.
However, one does not have to wait every 12 or 14 years. Simple logic
tells us that the fourth Thursday must come between Nov. 22 and Nov.
28.
The point though is that periodically the native's birthday is
celebrated as a holiday. And the native does celebrate the holiday
himself which is what is meant by 'making his fete.'
As to your point about fete only referring to the death of saints,
this is erroneous. The birth of Nostradamus was recently celebrated
in France. Every year Christmas celebrates a birth. The birth of the
Buddha (Buddha Jayanti) is a great celebration among Buddhists.
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20 Feb 2004 11:06:59 AM |
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It would be about
one-fourth of the people on the planet, using simple statistics!
I would like to expand my previous response on this issue. Take the
following two quatrains as related to the same person.
From the three water signs will be born a man
who will celebrate Thursday as his holiday.
His renown, praise, rule and power will increase
on land and sea, a tempest in the East.
The earth and air will freeze a very great sea,
When they will come to venerate Thursday:
That which will be never was so fair,
From the four parts they will come to honor him.
Let us say that the native was born on a holiday that occurs always on
a Thursday like Thanksgiving or some holy days among the Hindus. The
celebration of that holiday would then be strongly linked with the
birthday of the native.
Thanksgiving might even be favored by the second quatrain which
indicates a birth sometime in the winter, a very cold winter.
By combining various prophecies the reader can weave together clues on
the person meant by Nostradamus.
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26 Feb 2004 05:47:10 AM |
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From the three water signs will be born a man
This is a very disingenuous translation for I.50 line 1, which in
French reads
De l'aquatique triplicite naitra
Of aquatic triplicity will be born
The phrase "aquatic triplicity" does not need to be skewed into "the
three water signs," which is an entirely different concept being
imposed by the translator (yourself, I suppose). The original version
does not require the involvement of all three water signs, being far
more generic.
What you have done with your supposition made elsewhere regarding any
Ascendant indicating a triplicity is to eliminate the requirement of
triplicity altogether: everyone's birth chart does not necessarily
include a triplicity of any kind, but all completed charts have an
Ascendant, positioned at the cusp of the first house to indicate the
eastern horizon for the time and place of birth. Your attempts to
insist that medieval astrologers considered Ascendants as triplicities
are ridiculous (as well as the assertion that all aquatic signs relate
to Mars), and I notice you've edited those comments out of the debate,
having contradicted yourself in statements that don't hold water.
You've also proven you don't even understand how a modern calendar
works, supposing the dates repeat days of the week every four years.
Ironic how people like you who are most vituperative in defense of
their theories spew the most nonsense.
In fact, the original line does not even make it clear that a man is
the subject. Presumptuousness does not equal expertise!
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26 Feb 2004 03:57:46 PM |
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(Eagal) wrote in message news:<81d2acae.0402260347.60635e0e@posting.google.com>...
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Your attempts to
insist that medieval astrologers considered Ascendants as triplicities
are ridiculous (as well as the assertion that all aquatic signs relate
to Mars), and I notice you've edited those comments out of the debate,
having contradicted yourself in statements that don't hold water.
The medieval astrologers did consider the triplicity according to the
rising sign as I showed clearly to anyone with a fair degree of
intelligence.
Also, you are further mathematically-challenged by stating that
Thanksgiving is linked to some "fourteen different year patterns."
Even a high school person knows that the fourth Thursday of November
(Thanksgiving) must come only in the fourth week (do the math)
regardless of which day starts the month. So there are at most only
seven different calendar dates possible. I will not try to show you
how this is reduced further since it is obvious your tiny mind can not
absorb such knowledge.
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27 Feb 2004 05:17:35 AM |
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Your attempts to
insist that medieval astrologers considered Ascendants as triplicities
are ridiculous (as well as the assertion that all aquatic signs relate
to Mars), and I notice you've edited those comments out of the debate,
having contradicted yourself in statements that don't hold water.
The medieval astrologers did consider the triplicity according to the
rising sign as I showed clearly to anyone with a fair degree of
intelligence.
You did not, and cannot prove that the word "triplicity" means the
Ascendant itself, neither in medieval nor modern astrology. You
obviously will not take my word for this, so perhaps a previously
published work may convince you: in Edgar Leoni's book, "Nostradamus
And His Prophecies," (first published 1961), there is a footnote
attached to that very phrase of "aquatic triplicity" (which, by the
way, is translated exactly that way), reading, "Possibly a planetary
configuration is intended here." Leoni's expanded commentary does
agree with CL about I.50 possibly fitting the US nicely, and he also
mentions Thanksgiving as a Thursday feast, adding, "Which, while
interesting, does not preclude the possibility that the verse was
intended for an individual, in which case the aquatic triplicity would
concern the astrological configurations at the time of his birth. The
Thursday motif is also found in 1071." [or, as I notate, X.71]
So all these issues have been considered before, except you are
outside the realm of credibility by equating "aquatic triplicity" with
the Ascendant in a water sign.
Also, you are further mathematically-challenged by stating that
Thanksgiving is linked to some "fourteen different year patterns."
Even a high school person knows that the fourth Thursday of November
(Thanksgiving) must come only in the fourth week (do the math)
regardless of which day starts the month. So there are at most only
seven different calendar dates possible. I will not try to show you
how this is reduced further since it is obvious your tiny mind can not
absorb such knowledge.
I've already addressed your unfamiliarity with a universal calendar,
but I don't expect you to take correction lying down...
As for my "tooting my own horn," as you put it, I have three major
predictions outstanding, two of which could alter life as we know it,
so can you forgive me for attempting to reinforce them with a little
personal credibility? Before you answer, you should know that a major
current news item is setting up the likely fulfillment of the first
event hypothesized, but to repeat more at this point might later be
considered tampering with fate. Suffice to say if it does occur, I
will definitely repost the prediction and the date it was made. You
may perceive this as self-promotion, but I offer it as a public
service, just as offered back in July 1999 when I posted a warning
about a possible future simultaneous attack on NYC and Washington DC.
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27 Feb 2004 02:00:05 PM |
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Your attempts to
insist that medieval astrologers considered Ascendants as triplicities
are ridiculous (as well as the assertion that all aquatic signs relate
to Mars), and I notice you've edited those comments out of the debate,
having contradicted yourself in statements that don't hold water.
The medieval astrologers did consider the triplicity according to the
rising sign as I showed clearly to anyone with a fair degree of
intelligence.
You did not, and cannot prove that the word "triplicity" means the
Ascendant itself, neither in medieval nor modern astrology.
The triplicity does not mean the ascendant, it means the triplicity of
the sign in the ascendant. It has nothing at all to do with the
conjunctions you mentioned in your original post. You just made that
up out of nowhere.
So all these issues have been considered before, except you are
outside the realm of credibility by equating "aquatic triplicity" with
the Ascendant in a water sign.
If you could understand the texts I quoted you would understand that
the "triplicity ascending" is the triplicity of the native.
As for my "tooting my own horn," as you put it, I have three major
predictions outstanding,
You are the only one who recognizes these "outstanding" prophecies.
Everyone else thinks you are a loon.
Just because you were not born on a Thursday, don't screw up the
prophecies!!!
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On 26 Feb 2004 03:47:10 -0800, (Eagal)
wrote about quatrain I-50 and about what
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governator@lycos.com disinformed in message
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From the three water signs will be born a man
This is a very disingenuous translation for I.50 line 1, which in
French reads
De l'aquatique triplicite naitra
Of aquatic triplicity will be born
The phrase "aquatic triplicity" does not need to be skewed into "the
three water signs," which is an entirely different concept being
imposed by the translator (yourself, I suppose). The original version
does not require the involvement of all three water signs, being far
more generic.
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True and false. First, let's clean up:
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--------------- C E N T V R I E__P R E M I E R E. ------------
----------------------- (édition de 1555) --------------------
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----- 50 - De l'aquatique triplicité naistra -----------------
---------- D'vn qui fera le ieudy pour sa feste: -------------
---------- Son bruit,loz,regne,sa puissance croistra, --------
---------- Par terre & mer aux orients tempeste. -------------
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So, taking line 1, bit by bit, we get:
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De__l'__aquatique__triplicité__naistra
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The "De l'" was properly rendered as 'From the'.
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The "aquatique triplicité" was properly rendered as 'three Water
Signs'.
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The "naistra" should be 'shall be born'.
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So, the translator invented a reference to a man (there is no
such reference in the original text), but was correct in every
other respect.
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Therefore, I would say that the line DOES involve ONE OF the
three Water Signs, not all three at the same time.
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