Wolfy,
You being an ex copper I wonder about something. I have just being
watching that stupid American program COPS and I wonder what you think
of it. You must have seen it sometime. In my opinion America, as I see
it, is a police state. There are always about 8 coppers per perp. They
all see to it that they get their knee into somewhere that hurts, even
the "perps" who give up. Screaming "get face down on the ground" and
when the (actually suspected perp), does it then eight or so coppers
hop on top of him or her and twist their fuckin' arms around in
horrible positions but always have their knee in the (suspected perps)
face. I've also heard them say "you answer me when I talk to you" or
"I told you to do this so do it". Coppers are almighty is what I mean
in good old democratic America.
Strangely enough here in good old "socialist" Sweden, (apparantly
we're not as "free as the yanks"), if a copper told me to shut up I'de
tell him/her to *****-off. If he/she touched me I would fight back. If
they did anything close to or even remotely like what the yanks do on
the telly they'de end up in jail for assault. And rightly so.
Question...your views on this? Is it right that the police force have
the power that the yankie police have or should they be held
accountable...i.e. not just if they shoot and kill someone but even if
they assault someone. Every time I see that COPS program I see police
assaulting people. Your thoughts would be appreciated...is it only me
who see's the assaults or what?
Douglas, keep the ***** out of this...you are not wanted here!
WH
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| User: "Werewolfy" |
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01 Feb 2008 04:20:41 PM |
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On 1 Feb, 18:33, WH <boll...@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Your thoughts would be appreciated...is it only me who see's the
assaults or what?"
I have seen a few US crime films..they are hard to miss really. They
seem to be (well, I hope it's only 'seem') showing that all arrests
are violent affairs, the Police Officer so tough and the nasty
criminal being finally captured by the 'hero'.
Story book stuff really Chris. Hell, if they act like that in true
life, I don't think they have much chance of being very good at their
jobs.
So, Violence and when to use it is really the question. With every
person you suspect of an offence, the priority is to gather evidence.
You'll never get that by beating someone to a pulp. The first thing is
being clever, wording questions well, asking others questions etc. I
always found that 95% of those who I was, ummm, interested in, were
amenable to a soft approach but would resist violently a hard-line
attack on them, either by threats or by a few kicks! If you wanted a
conviction that was safe, and fair, then you have to use your brain,
not a stick, to out-wit the person invololved.
You just 'know' when you have someone who is likely to attack you or
to try to run away. It's really second nature to a Police Officer.
That's when you become a lot more vigourous about things. But as I
say, 95% do exactly as you tell them, without any need to be anything
other than fair. I used to explain a bit first, then say what I wanted
him to do...and they would just about always do it. Often no need to
restrain in any way.
It's all about the best way to 'do the job', not about parading
yourself as being a superhero. You need evidence, and the best person
to provide that is the suspect himself. They do you know, in so many
cases clever words win the day where no amount of torture would have
done.
My biggest problem with offending myself in this way, was those damned
car chases. The adrenaline is quite incredible Chris, particularly the
wrong way up a busy motorway at 130 mph behind a stolen car full of
very large negroes who had just robbed a bank. When you finally manage
to stop the thing, the adrenaline continues and I'm afraid to say, the
result is pretty much guaranteed!! Not proud of that, but I'm being
honest and saying why that happens to everyone involved in that sort
of thing. It's a rush for the driver and a...ummm..release of tension.
Everyday work though doesn't cause that at all. Even a street riot can
sometimes be calmed just by talking to the idiots. Always talk...it's
the safest route and the most productive, After that, well, whatever
is necessary is the motto. That's another thing though...whatever is
necessary, and no more.
I've seen the odd rogue Police Officer, they exist but they never last
too long. I believe they simply aren't clever enough for the work and
use muscle rather than brain. On the whole, UK Police are as I
describe. Rogue ones are rare indeed and, as I say, don't last long.
French Gendarmerie, despite being military in nature, are very similar
to UK Police. On the Continental mainland, only Spain...with Italy in
second place, has pompous arrogant Police, too zealous by far.
To be fair to the US, I've watched their Police at work on the few
times I have wanderd their streets. Once on Hollywood Boulevard..the
place with those famous celebrity stars on the pavement, I saw a woman
really shouting at a police officer. He just took it calmly, advising
her to report the thing at the police station..acted very well I
thought. So, from what I've seen, I rather fancy the TV image is just
that, an image. I expect they too have a few rogue Police, but I would
give them the benefit of the doubt about their over-zealous portrayal
on film...From what little I've seen, it's only acting. I might be
wrong, but I don't think so.
Incidently, I never watch those things on TV...get annoyed at the
sillyness of it all. Act like that and you aren't very good at your
job.
Werewolfy
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02 Feb 2008 07:51:17 AM |
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On Feb 1, 11:20=A0pm, Werewolfy <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On 1 Feb, 18:33, WH <boll...@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Your thoughts would be appreciated...is it only me who see's the
assaults or what?"
I have seen a few US crime films..they are hard to miss really. They
seem to be (well, I hope it's only 'seem') showing that all arrests
are violent affairs, the Police Officer so tough and the nasty
criminal being finally captured by the 'hero'.
Story book stuff really Chris. Hell, if they act like that in true
life, I don't think they have much chance of being very good at their
jobs.
So, Violence and when to use it is really the question. With every
person you suspect of an offence, the priority is to gather evidence.
You'll never get that by beating someone to a pulp. The first thing is
being clever, wording questions well, asking others questions etc. I
always =A0found that 95% of those who I was, ummm, interested in, were
amenable to a soft approach but would resist violently a hard-line
attack on them, either by threats or by a few kicks! If you wanted a
conviction that was safe, and fair, then you have to use your brain,
not a stick, to out-wit the person invololved.
You just 'know' when you have someone who is likely to attack you or
to try to run away. It's really second nature to a Police Officer.
That's when you become a lot more vigourous about things. But as I
say, 95% do exactly as you tell them, without any need to be anything
other than fair. I used to explain a bit first, then say what I wanted
him to do...and they would just about always do it. Often no need to
restrain in any way.
It's all about the best way to 'do the job', not about parading
yourself as being a superhero. You need evidence, and the best person
to provide that is the suspect himself. They do you know, in so many
cases clever words win the day where no amount of torture would have
done.
My biggest problem with offending myself in this way, was those damned
car chases. The adrenaline is quite incredible Chris, particularly the
wrong way up a busy motorway at 130 mph behind a stolen car full of
very large negroes who had just robbed a bank. When you finally manage
to stop the thing, the adrenaline continues and I'm afraid to say, the
result is pretty much guaranteed!! Not proud of that, but I'm being
honest and saying why that happens to everyone involved in that sort
of thing. It's a rush for the driver and a...ummm..release of tension.
Everyday work though doesn't cause that at all. Even a street riot can
sometimes be calmed just by talking to the idiots. Always talk...it's
the safest route and the most productive, After that, well, whatever
is necessary is the motto. That's another thing though...whatever is
necessary, and no more.
I've seen the odd rogue Police Officer, they exist but they never last
too long. I believe they simply aren't clever enough for the work and
use muscle rather than brain. On the whole, UK Police are as I
describe. Rogue ones are rare indeed and, as I say, don't last long.
French Gendarmerie, despite being military in nature, are very similar
to UK Police. On the Continental mainland, only Spain...with Italy in
second place, has pompous arrogant Police, too zealous by far.
To be fair to the US, I've watched their Police at work on the few
times I have wanderd their streets. Once on Hollywood Boulevard..the
place with those famous celebrity stars on the pavement, I saw a woman
really shouting at a police officer. He just took it calmly, advising
her to report the thing at the police station..acted very well I
thought. So, from what I've seen, I rather fancy the TV image is just
that, an image. I expect they too have a few rogue Police, but I would
give them the benefit of the doubt about their over-zealous portrayal
on film...From what little I've seen, it's only acting. I might be
wrong, but I don't think so.
Incidently, I never watch those things on TV...get annoyed at the
sillyness of it all. Act like that and you aren't very good at your
job.
Werewolfy
Actually Wolfy, Cops is a reality program, with real cops and robbers.
But with a camera and microphone following them around. They're all as
thick as two planks mind you, both the coppers and the villians. Seems
the coppers there have more authority than they need when the demand
to be called "sir" and people should "do as they're told". The heavy
handedness used while there is a camera around begs the question, how
the ***** are they when there aren't any cameras around?
WH
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| User: "Werewolfy" |
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02 Feb 2008 12:54:58 PM |
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On 2 Feb, 13:51, WH <boll...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Actually Wolfy, Cops is a reality program, with real cops and robbers.
Oh...Sorry Chris, I thought the thing was a fictional play, not one of
those reality shows. They do quite a few of them about UK Police
too..I hate watching them, too familiar by far, and they sometimes
annoy me. Every now and then, you can see one of the Officers playing
to the camera. They are easy to spot, they are the ones who interfere
in a situation despite another Officer being the one involved
initially.
In the main though, the UK ones show a fairly true image, although
they are more inclined to be cautious because the camera is there.
Sounds as if the opposite is true of the Americans. I'm going to try
one sometime, probably this week-end, and see exactly what they are
like. If they are like the small parts I have seen before, then I
don't believe I will be clapping their 'skills'.
I'll let you know as soon as I've managed to watch one or two without
throwing heavy things at the television set.
Werewolfy
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02 Feb 2008 08:43:41 AM |
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On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 05:51:17 -0800, WH wrote:
On Feb 1, 11:20Â pm, Werewolfy <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On 1 Feb, 18:33, WH <boll...@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Your thoughts would be appreciated...is it only me who see's the
assaults or what?"
I have seen a few US crime films..they are hard to miss really. They
seem to be (well, I hope it's only 'seem') showing that all arrests
are violent affairs, the Police Officer so tough and the nasty
criminal being finally captured by the 'hero'.
Story book stuff really Chris. Hell, if they act like that in true
life, I don't think they have much chance of being very good at their
jobs.
So, Violence and when to use it is really the question. With every
person you suspect of an offence, the priority is to gather evidence.
You'll never get that by beating someone to a pulp. The first thing is
being clever, wording questions well, asking others questions etc. I
always  found that 95% of those who I was, ummm, interested in, were
amenable to a soft approach but would resist violently a hard-line
attack on them, either by threats or by a few kicks! If you wanted a
conviction that was safe, and fair, then you have to use your brain,
not a stick, to out-wit the person invololved.
You just 'know' when you have someone who is likely to attack you or
to try to run away. It's really second nature to a Police Officer.
That's when you become a lot more vigourous about things. But as I
say, 95% do exactly as you tell them, without any need to be anything
other than fair. I used to explain a bit first, then say what I wanted
him to do...and they would just about always do it. Often no need to
restrain in any way.
It's all about the best way to 'do the job', not about parading
yourself as being a superhero. You need evidence, and the best person
to provide that is the suspect himself. They do you know, in so many
cases clever words win the day where no amount of torture would have
done.
My biggest problem with offending myself in this way, was those damned
car chases. The adrenaline is quite incredible Chris, particularly the
wrong way up a busy motorway at 130 mph behind a stolen car full of
very large negroes who had just robbed a bank. When you finally manage
to stop the thing, the adrenaline continues and I'm afraid to say, the
result is pretty much guaranteed!! Not proud of that, but I'm being
honest and saying why that happens to everyone involved in that sort
of thing. It's a rush for the driver and a...ummm..release of tension.
Everyday work though doesn't cause that at all. Even a street riot can
sometimes be calmed just by talking to the idiots. Always talk...it's
the safest route and the most productive, After that, well, whatever
is necessary is the motto. That's another thing though...whatever is
necessary, and no more.
I've seen the odd rogue Police Officer, they exist but they never last
too long. I believe they simply aren't clever enough for the work and
use muscle rather than brain. On the whole, UK Police are as I
describe. Rogue ones are rare indeed and, as I say, don't last long.
French Gendarmerie, despite being military in nature, are very similar
to UK Police. On the Continental mainland, only Spain...with Italy in
second place, has pompous arrogant Police, too zealous by far.
To be fair to the US, I've watched their Police at work on the few
times I have wanderd their streets. Once on Hollywood Boulevard..the
place with those famous celebrity stars on the pavement, I saw a woman
really shouting at a police officer. He just took it calmly, advising
her to report the thing at the police station..acted very well I
thought. So, from what I've seen, I rather fancy the TV image is just
that, an image. I expect they too have a few rogue Police, but I would
give them the benefit of the doubt about their over-zealous portrayal
on film...From what little I've seen, it's only acting. I might be
wrong, but I don't think so.
Incidently, I never watch those things on TV...get annoyed at the
sillyness of it all. Act like that and you aren't very good at your
job.
Werewolfy
Actually Wolfy, Cops is a reality program, with real cops and robbers.
But with a camera and microphone following them around. They're all as
thick as two planks mind you, both the coppers and the villians. Seems
the coppers there have more authority than they need when the demand
to be called "sir" and people should "do as they're told". The heavy
handedness used while there is a camera around begs the question, how
the ***** are they when there aren't any cameras around?
WH
There are a couple of cities kind that I get TV stations from, and there
have been reports of police abuse for decades against them. Well,
witnesses (and cameras) have started making it clear that those
people who claim to be victims of police brutality were actually
restrained when the police officers were "defending themselves". THAT's
what we get here when the cameras aren't rolling. Not everywhere, of
course, but it's common enough in the cities, even small ones.
Woods
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02 Feb 2008 09:09:41 AM |
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On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 05:51:17 -0800 (PST), WH <bollogs@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Feb 1, 11:20 pm, Werewolfy <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On 1 Feb, 18:33, WH <boll...@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Your thoughts would be appreciated...is it only me who see's the
assaults or what?"
I have seen a few US crime films..they are hard to miss really. They
seem to be (well, I hope it's only 'seem') showing that all arrests
are violent affairs, the Police Officer so tough and the nasty
criminal being finally captured by the 'hero'.
Story book stuff really Chris. Hell, if they act like that in true
life, I don't think they have much chance of being very good at their
jobs.
So, Violence and when to use it is really the question. With every
person you suspect of an offence, the priority is to gather evidence.
You'll never get that by beating someone to a pulp. The first thing is
being clever, wording questions well, asking others questions etc. I
always found that 95% of those who I was, ummm, interested in, were
amenable to a soft approach but would resist violently a hard-line
attack on them, either by threats or by a few kicks! If you wanted a
conviction that was safe, and fair, then you have to use your brain,
not a stick, to out-wit the person invololved.
You just 'know' when you have someone who is likely to attack you or
to try to run away. It's really second nature to a Police Officer.
That's when you become a lot more vigourous about things. But as I
say, 95% do exactly as you tell them, without any need to be anything
other than fair. I used to explain a bit first, then say what I wanted
him to do...and they would just about always do it. Often no need to
restrain in any way.
It's all about the best way to 'do the job', not about parading
yourself as being a superhero. You need evidence, and the best person
to provide that is the suspect himself. They do you know, in so many
cases clever words win the day where no amount of torture would have
done.
My biggest problem with offending myself in this way, was those damned
car chases. The adrenaline is quite incredible Chris, particularly the
wrong way up a busy motorway at 130 mph behind a stolen car full of
very large negroes who had just robbed a bank. When you finally manage
to stop the thing, the adrenaline continues and I'm afraid to say, the
result is pretty much guaranteed!! Not proud of that, but I'm being
honest and saying why that happens to everyone involved in that sort
of thing. It's a rush for the driver and a...ummm..release of tension.
Everyday work though doesn't cause that at all. Even a street riot can
sometimes be calmed just by talking to the idiots. Always talk...it's
the safest route and the most productive, After that, well, whatever
is necessary is the motto. That's another thing though...whatever is
necessary, and no more.
I've seen the odd rogue Police Officer, they exist but they never last
too long. I believe they simply aren't clever enough for the work and
use muscle rather than brain. On the whole, UK Police are as I
describe. Rogue ones are rare indeed and, as I say, don't last long.
French Gendarmerie, despite being military in nature, are very similar
to UK Police. On the Continental mainland, only Spain...with Italy in
second place, has pompous arrogant Police, too zealous by far.
To be fair to the US, I've watched their Police at work on the few
times I have wanderd their streets. Once on Hollywood Boulevard..the
place with those famous celebrity stars on the pavement, I saw a woman
really shouting at a police officer. He just took it calmly, advising
her to report the thing at the police station..acted very well I
thought. So, from what I've seen, I rather fancy the TV image is just
that, an image. I expect they too have a few rogue Police, but I would
give them the benefit of the doubt about their over-zealous portrayal
on film...From what little I've seen, it's only acting. I might be
wrong, but I don't think so.
Incidently, I never watch those things on TV...get annoyed at the
sillyness of it all. Act like that and you aren't very good at your
job.
Werewolfy
Actually Wolfy, Cops is a reality program, with real cops and robbers.
But with a camera and microphone following them around. They're all as
thick as two planks mind you, both the coppers and the villians. Seems
the coppers there have more authority than they need when the demand
to be called "sir" and people should "do as they're told". The heavy
handedness used while there is a camera around begs the question, how
the ***** are they when there aren't any cameras around?
One time my sister got arressted for a driving violation in Salisbury,
Massachusetts - and I kid you not, she was inside the cell and the cop
handcuffed her right wrist to one of the cell bars and made her *stand
up* the whole time she was held.
They were rude, humiliating, they treated her like absolute dog *****.
And all for a mere driving violation!
Dani
WH
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01 Feb 2008 01:40:51 PM |
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On Feb 1, 1:33=A0pm, WH <boll...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Wolfy,
You being an ex copper I wonder about something. I have just being
watching that stupid American program COPS and I wonder what you think
of it. You must have seen it sometime. In my opinion America, as I see
it, is a police state. There are always about 8 coppers per perp.
Just making it a fair fight.
They
all see to it that they get their knee into somewhere that hurts, even
the "perps" who give up. Screaming "get face down on the ground" and
when the (actually suspected perp), does it then eight or so coppers
hop on top of him or her and twist their fuckin' arms around in
horrible positions but always have their knee in the (suspected perps)
face.
Hey, if he hadn't done anything wrong he wouldn't have been in any
trouble.
The guy's probably got a 14 year old girlfriend as well as a few rocks
of crack in his pockets.
I've also heard them say "you answer me when I talk to you" or
"I told you to do this so do it". Coppers are almighty is what I mean
in good old democratic America.
Did you think they'd give the guy a chance to vote on how they'd
arrest him?
"Ok, cuff me, but gently and I want to ride to jail in the front
seat."
Strangely enough here in good old "socialist" Sweden, (apparantly
we're not as "free as the yanks"), if a copper told me to shut up I'de
tell him/her to *****-off. If he/she touched me I would fight back.
"Please, Mr. Woodhouse, may I arrest you today or would tomorrow be
more convenient for you?"
If
they did anything close to or even remotely like what the yanks do on
the telly they'de end up in jail for assault. And rightly so.
But if they only showed a common, average, boring arrest no one would
tune in the program and the Army wouldn't advertize on their show and
then there's be no soldiers volunteering for duty in Iraq.
Question...your views on this?
If someone resisted Wolfy they'd end up with a pike up their *****.
Remember that night spent alone on a cold, black Romanian mountainside
amid the rubble and the remote, mystical, ancient screams of Vlad's
victims?
Is it right that the police force have
the power that the yankie police have or should they be held
accountable...i.e. not just if they shoot and kill someone but even if
they assault someone. Every time I see that COPS program I see police
assaulting people. Your thoughts would be appreciated...is it only me
who see's the assaults or what?
Seriously, it's fairly rough here. Especially in poor, ethnic areas
of American cities.
If you're calm and respectful and certainly white you're not likely to
have any problems. You'll be treated the same way in return.
But new nonleathal methods of capture and restraint, ie the Taser, are
making police brutality a little too common and abuse is happening far
too often. There are a growing number of people in this country
becoming rightly concerned about LEO's attitudes, generally, toward
the people they're supposed to be serving.
Douglas, keep the ***** out of this...you are not wanted here!
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01 Feb 2008 04:38:31 PM |
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On 1 Feb, 19:40, John Lemke <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
If someone resisted Wolfy they'd end up with a pike up their *****.
Remember that night spent alone on a cold, black Romanian mountainside
amid the rubble and the remote, mystical, ancient screams of Vlad's
victims?
Grins John...One day I might tell about what happened the night before
I slept there. It's quite an...adventure....and was rather more
dangerous than passing vampires! Just say it involved a young girl
with a very large knife, her friend, a wiry male Romanian gipsy
of...dubious...character and their desire for my possessions.
Throw in my car and a moonlit night on the outskirts of a small town
and you have the start of it all.
Both are still in prison there...well, they were a year ago, still are
I think.
I enjoyed that holiday quite a lot!
Ricky
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02 Feb 2008 10:25:07 PM |
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On Feb 1, 5:38=A0pm, Werewolfy <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On 1 Feb, 19:40, John Lemke <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
Grins John...One day I might tell about what happened the night before
I slept there. It's quite an...adventure....and was rather more
dangerous than passing vampires! Just say it involved a young girl
with a very large knife, her friend, a wiry male Romanian gipsy
of...dubious...character and their desire for my possessions.
Throw in my car and a moonlit night on the outskirts of a small town
and you have the start of it all.
Both are still in prison there...well, they were a year ago, still are
I think.
Let me add to the clamour asking for the rest of the story.
I think you should write that book you were thinking about. Surefire
worldwide bestseller, I'd say. Just think of all the exotic trips you
could take after selling a few million copies of your life's story.
I enjoyed that holiday quite a lot!
You swashbuckler you!!!!!!!!!!!
Ricky
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03 Feb 2008 06:07:55 AM |
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On 3 Feb, 04:25, John Lemke <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
"You swashbuckler you!!!!!!!!!!!"
I was hoping to 'get away' with that one, John. Oh Dear, just as I
thought it might be quietly forgotten, it re-appears. It's one of
those things that I remember in minute detail because it gave me an
insight into myself, and to what lengths I would really go if the need
arose. I found the answer, and somehow, all worked out without injury
or death. Looking back, I wonder at my state of mind at the time, and
how I could have been so stubborn, so non-compliant as I was.
The scenario outlined what happened. Yes. a robbery, at least an
attempt. They wanted my car too. One thing car-jackers should learn,
never instruct the driver to drive. He just might have a moment of
lunacy as did I on that Romanian night.
It happened quickly from the moment I stopped. He materialised from
nowhere, opened the front passenger door, whilst she slid in through a
rear-door.
All of that is a common enough thing in the world, nothing special
about it, happens to many people. Despite their speaking only
Romanian, and my lack of understanding, I knew that these two were a
ruthless duo, and this was very, very big trouble.
Well, shouts and signs overcame language problems, the knife said a
lot too. Told to drive out of the town, I did..had to really, they
gave me no chance to do much at that point. The town dropped away
behind us and the pitch dark in those mountains, replaced the security
a town offered.
Anway, after about 10 kilometers, I realised that this was the worst
kind of trouble. I was driving to some place of their choosing
for..well, disposal I presumed. It was a dismal road, full of pot-
holes like craters on the Moon, tree's to the sides, and boulders
sprinkled about.
I remember something clicking inside me, something that said, in
effect, '***** you..you're coming with me then'. Using the handbrake,
the car skidded around, throwing my new friends about a bit. I just
accelerated as fast as possible back towards the town. I also switched
off the lights.
That was the strange thing about it all. I didn't care. In day to day
life, there are few who are more fearful of 'the end', than I am. It's
a pre-occupation with me, morbid thoughts and a will to live forever.
I had crossed some barrier in the mind though, and I really didn't
care. Maybe it was something like Chris experienced on the operating
theatre, something out of the ordinary that happens to the brain.
I don't know what it was, but I did know that those two were coming
with me into Eternity. I don't know how long it was before a moment of
sanity returned, enough to let me flick the headlamps on for an
instant to show me what was happening ahead. I do know it was
frighteningly long though. We had crashed through pot-holes, brushed
shrubbery and scrapped a few things, but had accelerated up to that
old car's maximum of about 100 mph.
When I did look, I was astonished that we were still travelling, and I
saw in that brief glimpse, we were still on the road which was
straight for a while yet.
Only a touch of that sanity had returned though, enough to let me try
a quick glance every 10 seconds or so with that headlamp switch.
All of the shouting and threats from my passengers had stopped. They
were in total silence. No attempts were made to interfere with me.
Just as well really at that speed.
That's enough about that I think. It all ended with my re-entering the
town at a break-neck speed, stopping violently in the comforting
street lights. I remember jumping from the car and shouting something
about, 'How did you fucking like that..come on now then'. They ran
off.
I found and told the local Police. Both were arrested within an hour.
Both were well known for robberies, both described as 'nasty' and
that''s by Romanian standards!
It made for an interesting insight. Touch of 'knowing oneself' I
suppose. I think I was more frightened by what I was fully prepared to
do, than by those two's intentions. I think about that from time to
time. I wonder if that will ever happen again...total and utter
acceptance of death and a hatred so strong which insists I have a
couple of companions with me.
That was the real scary part..still is.
Werewolfy
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| User: "psychogaray" |
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03 Feb 2008 06:36:53 AM |
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"Werewolfy" <Werewolfy1@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:15192d58-bec3-42a3-acd9-4ca268a195eb@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On 3 Feb, 04:25, John Lemke <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
"You swashbuckler you!!!!!!!!!!!"
I was hoping to 'get away' with that one, John. Oh Dear, just as I
thought it might be quietly forgotten, it re-appears. It's one of
those things that I remember in minute detail because it gave me an
insight into myself, and to what lengths I would really go if the need
arose. I found the answer, and somehow, all worked out without injury
or death. Looking back, I wonder at my state of mind at the time, and
how I could have been so stubborn, so non-compliant as I was.
The scenario outlined what happened. Yes. a robbery, at least an
attempt. They wanted my car too. One thing car-jackers should learn,
never instruct the driver to drive. He just might have a moment of
lunacy as did I on that Romanian night.
It happened quickly from the moment I stopped. He materialised from
nowhere, opened the front passenger door, whilst she slid in through a
rear-door.
All of that is a common enough thing in the world, nothing special
about it, happens to many people. Despite their speaking only
Romanian, and my lack of understanding, I knew that these two were a
ruthless duo, and this was very, very big trouble.
Well, shouts and signs overcame language problems, the knife said a
lot too. Told to drive out of the town, I did..had to really, they
gave me no chance to do much at that point. The town dropped away
behind us and the pitch dark in those mountains, replaced the security
a town offered.
Anway, after about 10 kilometers, I realised that this was the worst
kind of trouble. I was driving to some place of their choosing
for..well, disposal I presumed. It was a dismal road, full of pot-
holes like craters on the Moon, tree's to the sides, and boulders
sprinkled about.
I remember something clicking inside me, something that said, in
effect, '***** you..you're coming with me then'. Using the handbrake,
the car skidded around, throwing my new friends about a bit. I just
accelerated as fast as possible back towards the town. I also switched
off the lights.
That was the strange thing about it all. I didn't care. In day to day
life, there are few who are more fearful of 'the end', than I am. It's
a pre-occupation with me, morbid thoughts and a will to live forever.
I had crossed some barrier in the mind though, and I really didn't
care. Maybe it was something like Chris experienced on the operating
theatre, something out of the ordinary that happens to the brain.
I don't know what it was, but I did know that those two were coming
with me into Eternity. I don't know how long it was before a moment of
sanity returned, enough to let me flick the headlamps on for an
instant to show me what was happening ahead. I do know it was
frighteningly long though. We had crashed through pot-holes, brushed
shrubbery and scrapped a few things, but had accelerated up to that
old car's maximum of about 100 mph.
When I did look, I was astonished that we were still travelling, and I
saw in that brief glimpse, we were still on the road which was
straight for a while yet.
Only a touch of that sanity had returned though, enough to let me try
a quick glance every 10 seconds or so with that headlamp switch.
All of the shouting and threats from my passengers had stopped. They
were in total silence. No attempts were made to interfere with me.
Just as well really at that speed.
That's enough about that I think. It all ended with my re-entering the
town at a break-neck speed, stopping violently in the comforting
street lights. I remember jumping from the car and shouting something
about, 'How did you fucking like that..come on now then'. They ran
off.
I found and told the local Police. Both were arrested within an hour.
Both were well known for robberies, both described as 'nasty' and
that''s by Romanian standards!
It made for an interesting insight. Touch of 'knowing oneself' I
suppose. I think I was more frightened by what I was fully prepared to
do, than by those two's intentions. I think about that from time to
time. I wonder if that will ever happen again...total and utter
acceptance of death and a hatred so strong which insists I have a
couple of companions with me.
That was the real scary part..still is.
Werewolfy
Oh, jeeeezzz, that sounded frightening. Real-life fear is almost always
worse than the worst horror or thriller flick can depict it. I suppose it is
precisely because we know at that unfortunate, nightmarish moment that a
real, not imaginary or faked, threat has been directly encountered. And we
could be seriously hurt...or dead. Not a time of popping down some more Milk
Duds...
Romanians. An interesting run-in with them occurred some years ago when my
mother was being moved around the various creepy, depressing "nursing
homes". I went on a search for an "adult family home" for her to live in,
convinced that it was somehow superior to the usual large, formal
nursing-care facilities. (I was dead wrong!)
In the course of searching, I visited a Romanian couple (likely in their
early 30's) who'd converted part of their split-level 4-bedroom house (in
the country, sort of) into a hospice environment.
On the outside, it looked just like any other house. But, inside, it
reflected what amazingly was the baroque atmosphere reminescent of what I'd
seen in the time of Vlad Dracula in old horror films! Gaudy in places,
strangely dark, with many colors of black, red, brown, dark green all over
the decor. Elaborate stylistic paintings and art objects of all kinds
everywhere.
The rooms where the unfortunate elderly and disabled were housed were the
same, of course, and they were all kept in semi-darkness, the drapes pulled
at midday.
The couple spoke some broken English, and were quite polite and sociable,
but kept looking, staring, at me as though there was something wrong with my
appearance. I felt rather uncomfortable.
They had their ol' mom and grandma living in two rooms downstairs, and I saw
one of 'em out in the backyard working on her knees in a small garden.
The young woman said, as I looked, "She likes tending the flowers and
vegetables...do you like vegetables?"
Not thinking it was any more than small talk, I flippantly said, "Not unless
the veggies are cellophaned wrapped on a store shelf. (chuckling)"
She waved her hand in front of my nose, and said, "We in the old country
have a long history of growing our own vegetables, and we'd rather not buy
them."
Her husband then jumped in, "Our family are proud, long-time farm people.
Centuries of farming, CENTURIES..." (emphasis)
I then said, "My family comes from farms and ranches, too."
They both curiously smiled at each other, and chuckled, and then asked
whether I wanted to pay a deposit...
Later, I went to another Romanian-run adult family home and it, too, was
very similar inside to the other one. Dark, baroque, gaudy colors...an
ancient feel.
garay ;)~
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| User: "Werewolfy" |
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03 Feb 2008 11:00:43 AM |
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On 3 Feb, 12:36, "psychogaray" <psychovi...@comcast.net> wrote:
....
Later, I went to another Romanian-run adult family home and it, too, was
very similar inside to the other one. Dark, baroque, gaudy colors...an
ancient feel.
Reading that made me feel as if I was back in Romania Gary. That's a
pretty good post as to the way they prefer to live.
Farming there is mediaevel. Everything is done by hand or by an ox
pulled implement if you are rich enough to have an ox.
I was there a few years after the Russians had abandoned Romania as a
'no one cares now' Country. When the Russians left, they also removed
all of the machinery, anything of value was Russian property and
returned to the USSR.
Shops were dark and quite suprising places. Just a tin of something
and a few packets of some oher food on display. People didn't buy
because they had no money, so shops dindn't stock anything really.
They are an odd people. I never really felt comfortable amongst them.
So many are criminals, must be 80% of the population. I did chat with
a few quite nice ones, but the nasty types far outweighed the few good
men about.
My thoughts on leaving were that the scenery, the countryside is
incredible...just so beautiful. The Carpathians became my favourite
mountains in the world. The people though...ahh, there's the drawback.
They still have a horse and cart for funerals. The whole town walks
behind the cart with a broken looking cheap box serving as a coffin.
The cart is decked out with photographs of the deceased, hundreds of
them, and the procession continous to the graveyard, everyone walking
and holding a banner with the 'star of the show's' photo emblazoned on
it.
I might well go back soon...those mountains just have to be seen.
Werewolfy
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| User: "John Lemke" |
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03 Feb 2008 07:41:28 AM |
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On Feb 3, 7:07=A0am, Werewolfy <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
It made for an interesting insight. Touch of 'knowing oneself' I
suppose. I think I was more frightened by what I was fully prepared to
do, than by those two's intentions. I think about that from time to
time. I wonder if that will ever happen again...total and utter
acceptance of death and a hatred so strong which insists I have a
couple of companions with me.
That was the real scary part..still is.
Werewolfy
A jail cell is the safest place to be when there's a werewolf on the
loose, apparently.
I think you understand and grow to understand life quite well enough,
Mr. Coleclough.
The questions are every bit as interesting as the answers we find.
But I'm sure that anyone accompanying you on that "last ride" will
have it coming to them.
For some reason tho I think you'll die peacefully in your sleep with a
few more questions answered.
Thanks for the rest of the story.
And if you decide to write about all of it I'll buy a few copies for
myself and my friends.
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| User: "Werewolfy" |
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03 Feb 2008 11:19:44 AM |
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On 3 Feb, 13:41, John Lemke <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
"But I'm sure that anyone accompanying you on that "last ride" will
have it coming to them."
Ah Ha...I've thought about that a few times John. Yes, my choice of
travelling companions would be centred on quite a few who have no
right to live, no right to pretend to be human beings.
You are too kind to me really. I suppose I accept this sort of thing
as normal, when many would find it a major event. That's what happens
when you do these things for 25 years as a living...they become banal
rather than exhillerating.
Maybe...just maybe I will one day write. It would be a challenge. If I
ever do, a gold leaf autographed first edition will be on it's way to
you!
Back to normal things again, all I am doing is waiting for an auction
on wednesday to try to buy a stuffed toucan and a case of Tropicals.
Wish I could bring myself to sell the stuffed Armadillo...I bought it
to sell, but have grown quite fond of it.
Bit different from travelling in Romania!
Werewolfy
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| User: "John Lemke" |
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05 Feb 2008 12:26:55 PM |
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Werewolfy wrote:
On 3 Feb, 13:41, John Lemke <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
"But I'm sure that anyone accompanying you on that "last ride" will
have it coming to them."
Ah Ha...I've thought about that a few times John. Yes, my choice of
travelling companions would be centred on quite a few who have no
right to live, no right to pretend to be human beings.
Turning a career into a specialized hobby after retirement, eh? Good
for you.
You are too kind to me really. I suppose I accept this sort of thing
as normal, when many would find it a major event. That's what happens
when you do these things for 25 years as a living...they become banal
rather than exhillerating.
Hats off on a banal 100mph ride down a mountain road. I think you
have fun reacquainting people with reality. Pulling them out of their
box, so to speak.
Maybe...just maybe I will one day write. It would be a challenge. If I
ever do, a gold leaf autographed first edition will be on it's way to
you!
I'd be most honored. I think the world would enjoy that book and be
most enlightened by it.
Back to normal things again, all I am doing is waiting for an auction
on wednesday to try to buy a stuffed toucan and a case of Tropicals.
Wish I could bring myself to sell the stuffed Armadillo...I bought it
to sell, but have grown quite fond of it.
Bit different from travelling in Romania!
I think "Romania" is pleased that you've found another passtime.
Regards.................
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05 Feb 2008 01:46:23 AM |
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On Feb 3, 8:41 am, John Lemke <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
On Feb 3, 7:07 am, Werewolfy <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
It made for an interesting insight. Touch of 'knowing oneself' I
suppose. I think I was more frightened by what I was fully prepared to
do, than by those two's intentions. I think about that from time to
time. I wonder if that will ever happen again...total and utter
acceptance of death and a hatred so strong which insists I have a
couple of companions with me.
That was the real scary part..still is.
Werewolfy
A jail cell is the safest place to be when there's a werewolf on the
loose, apparently.
I think you understand and grow to understand life quite well enough,
Mr. Coleclough.
The questions are every bit as interesting as the answers we find.
But I'm sure that anyone accompanying you on that "last ride" will
have it coming to them.
For some reason tho I think you'll die peacefully in your sleep with a
few more questions answered.
Thanks for the rest of the story.
And if you decide to write about all of it I'll buy a few copies for
myself and my friends.
You cannot stop youself from kissng the ***** of the Wolf, yes???
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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03 Feb 2008 07:12:22 AM |
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On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 04:07:55 -0800, Werewolfy wrote:
On 3 Feb, 04:25, John Lemke <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
"You swashbuckler you!!!!!!!!!!!"
I was hoping to 'get away' with that one, John. Oh Dear, just as I
thought it might be quietly forgotten, it re-appears. It's one of
those things that I remember in minute detail because it gave me an
insight into myself, and to what lengths I would really go if the need
arose. I found the answer, and somehow, all worked out without injury
or death. Looking back, I wonder at my state of mind at the time, and
how I could have been so stubborn, so non-compliant as I was.
The scenario outlined what happened. Yes. a robbery, at least an
attempt. They wanted my car too. One thing car-jackers should learn,
never instruct the driver to drive. He just might have a moment of
lunacy as did I on that Romanian night.
It happened quickly from the moment I stopped. He materialised from
nowhere, opened the front passenger door, whilst she slid in through a
rear-door.
All of that is a common enough thing in the world, nothing special
about it, happens to many people. Despite their speaking only
Romanian, and my lack of understanding, I knew that these two were a
ruthless duo, and this was very, very big trouble.
Well, shouts and signs overcame language problems, the knife said a
lot too. Told to drive out of the town, I did..had to really, they
gave me no chance to do much at that point. The town dropped away
behind us and the pitch dark in those mountains, replaced the security
a town offered.
Anway, after about 10 kilometers, I realised that this was the worst
kind of trouble. I was driving to some place of their choosing
for..well, disposal I presumed. It was a dismal road, full of pot-
holes like craters on the Moon, tree's to the sides, and boulders
sprinkled about.
I remember something clicking inside me, something that said, in
effect, '***** you..you're coming with me then'. Using the handbrake,
the car skidded around, throwing my new friends about a bit. I just
accelerated as fast as possible back towards the town. I also switched
off the lights.
That was the strange thing about it all. I didn't care. In day to day
life, there are few who are more fearful of 'the end', than I am. It's
a pre-occupation with me, morbid thoughts and a will to live forever.
I had crossed some barrier in the mind though, and I really didn't
care. Maybe it was something like Chris experienced on the operating
theatre, something out of the ordinary that happens to the brain.
I don't know what it was, but I did know that those two were coming
with me into Eternity. I don't know how long it was before a moment of
sanity returned, enough to let me flick the headlamps on for an
instant to show me what was happening ahead. I do know it was
frighteningly long though. We had crashed through pot-holes, brushed
shrubbery and scrapped a few things, but had accelerated up to that
old car's maximum of about 100 mph.
When I did look, I was astonished that we were still travelling, and I
saw in that brief glimpse, we were still on the road which was
straight for a while yet.
Only a touch of that sanity had returned though, enough to let me try
a quick glance every 10 seconds or so with that headlamp switch.
All of the shouting and threats from my passengers had stopped. They
were in total silence. No attempts were made to interfere with me.
Just as well really at that speed.
That's enough about that I think. It all ended with my re-entering the
town at a break-neck speed, stopping violently in the comforting
street lights. I remember jumping from the car and shouting something
about, 'How did you fucking like that..come on now then'. They ran
off.
I found and told the local Police. Both were arrested within an hour.
Both were well known for robberies, both described as 'nasty' and
that''s by Romanian standards!
It made for an interesting insight. Touch of 'knowing oneself' I
suppose. I think I was more frightened by what I was fully prepared to
do, than by those two's intentions. I think about that from time to
time. I wonder if that will ever happen again...total and utter
acceptance of death and a hatred so strong which insists I have a
couple of companions with me.
That was the real scary part..still is.
Werewolfy
Wow, that was really dangerous, Ricky! Since they didn't have their seat
belts on, and presumably you did, you could have just hit something solid
at about 30 mph. Then, if they were still able to move, "defend" yourself
when they, um, pulled their knife on you. Oh, and taken back your cash
that they'd already stolen from you (cough) before the police arrived. I'd
like to think that I'd do that, myself, but with the adrenaline pumping,
I'd probably going fast enough to have any carjacker ejected from the
vehicle.
That said, I'll bet they'll remember that experience for a very, very long
time - LOL! I'm glad you were able to put them away.
Woods
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| User: "Werewolfy" |
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03 Feb 2008 11:10:40 AM |
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On 3 Feb, 13:12, Woodswun <woods...@tepidmail.com> wrote:
That said, I'll bet they'll remember that experience for a very, very long=
time - LOL! =EF=BF=BDI'm glad you were able to put them away.
Actually, I'm naughty when it comes to seat belts, Woodsy. I never
wear the things. It's against the law, but not everyone holds that
laws are right,,,,;)
It's probably a mixture of my usual rebellion, and a belief that
seatbelts for the driver are as likely to cause injury or death, as
they are to prevent it. Passengers are different. Seat belts are a
life-saver.
I'm one of those that doesn't believe in credit cards, so always carry
large sums. No-one is getting their hands on that without a
rather...determined...effort.
But they were a really bad pair. I did about the only thing possible.
The scary bit, was my state of mind. Looking back, I can honestly say
I didn't care at all...just wanted to make those bastards come along
into Eternity with me.
I do believe they had rather a shock...not a sound in the car, but I
do remember laughing and screaming something about 'How's that then
eh?...All having fucking fun?' It was effective.
Mind, not the first time something like this has happend. Dangers of
travelling widely alone, and in some rather off the beaten route
places. Still, that's the fun value of it. Beat's Disney.
Ricky
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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01 Feb 2008 04:45:04 PM |
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On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:38:31 -0800, Werewolfy wrote:
On 1 Feb, 19:40, John Lemke <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
If someone resisted Wolfy they'd end up with a pike up their *****.
Remember that night spent alone on a cold, black Romanian mountainside
amid the rubble and the remote, mystical, ancient screams of Vlad's
victims?
Grins John...One day I might tell about what happened the night before
I slept there. It's quite an...adventure....and was rather more
dangerous than passing vampires! Just say it involved a young girl
with a very large knife, her friend, a wiry male Romanian gipsy
of...dubious...character and their desire for my possessions.
Throw in my car and a moonlit night on the outskirts of a small town
and you have the start of it all.
Both are still in prison there...well, they were a year ago, still are
I think.
I enjoyed that holiday quite a lot!
Ricky
Well, tell us the rest of the story! How much damage did the car incur -
on them, and on itself, fer instance .... ;-)
Woods
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| User: "Pers3id" |
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01 Feb 2008 10:23:33 PM |
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Woodswun <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in news:47a3a0f0$0$6480
$4c368faf@roadrunner.com:
On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:38:31 -0800, Werewolfy wrote:
On 1 Feb, 19:40, John Lemke <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
If someone resisted Wolfy they'd end up with a pike up their *****.
Remember that night spent alone on a cold, black Romanian mountainside
amid the rubble and the remote, mystical, ancient screams of Vlad's
victims?
Grins John...One day I might tell about what happened the night before
I slept there. It's quite an...adventure....and was rather more
dangerous than passing vampires! Just say it involved a young girl
with a very large knife, her friend, a wiry male Romanian gipsy
of...dubious...character and their desire for my possessions.
Throw in my car and a moonlit night on the outskirts of a small town
and you have the start of it all.
Both are still in prison there...well, they were a year ago, still are
I think.
I enjoyed that holiday quite a lot!
Ricky
Well, tell us the rest of the story! How much damage did the car incur -
on them, and on itself, fer instance .... ;-)
Woods
Those gipsys do have a reputation for thievery for a reason. I'd like
to hear the story also.
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| User: "Dani" |
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01 Feb 2008 06:14:11 PM |
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On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 11:40:51 -0800 (PST), John Lemke
<jflemke@locallink.net> wrote:
On Feb 1, 1:33 pm, WH <boll...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Wolfy,
You being an ex copper I wonder about something. I have just being
watching that stupid American program COPS and I wonder what you think
of it. You must have seen it sometime. In my opinion America, as I see
it, is a police state. There are always about 8 coppers per perp.
Just making it a fair fight.
They
all see to it that they get their knee into somewhere that hurts, even
the "perps" who give up. Screaming "get face down on the ground" and
when the (actually suspected perp), does it then eight or so coppers
hop on top of him or her and twist their fuckin' arms around in
horrible positions but always have their knee in the (suspected perps)
face.
Hey, if he hadn't done anything wrong he wouldn't have been in any
trouble.
The guy's probably got a 14 year old girlfriend as well as a few rocks
of crack in his pockets.
I've also heard them say "you answer me when I talk to you" or
"I told you to do this so do it". Coppers are almighty is what I mean
in good old democratic America.
Did you think they'd give the guy a chance to vote on how they'd
arrest him?
"Ok, cuff me, but gently and I want to ride to jail in the front
seat."
No, of course not - but the cops *do* use too much force sometimes and
then they (in too may cases) get away with it. Cops also stick
together. If one knows that his partner has done something wrong, he
will still cover his partner's back and protect him when the behaviour
is questioned.
Of course there are outstanding, excellent cops out there. Just as
there are some real ***** bastards out there that use that badge
of theirs to their advantage.
Cheers,
Dani
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01 Feb 2008 09:26:53 PM |
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On Feb 1, 7:14=A0pm, Dani <d.b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 11:40:51 -0800 (PST), John Lemke
<jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
On Feb 1, 1:33=A0pm, WH <boll...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Wolfy,
You being an ex copper I wonder about something. I have just being
watching that stupid American program COPS and I wonder what you think
of it. You must have seen it sometime. In my opinion America, as I see
it, is a police state. There are always about 8 coppers per perp.
Just making it a fair fight.
They
all see to it that they get their knee into somewhere that hurts, even
the "perps" who give up. Screaming "get face down on the ground" and
when the (actually suspected perp), does it then eight or so coppers
hop on top of him or her and twist their fuckin' arms around in
horrible positions but always have their knee in the (suspected perps)
face.
Hey, if he hadn't done anything wrong he wouldn't have been in any
trouble.
The guy's probably got a 14 year old girlfriend as well as a few rocks
of crack in his pockets.
I've also heard them say "you answer me when I talk to you" or
"I told you to do this so do it". Coppers are almighty is what I mean
in good old democratic America.
Did you think they'd give the guy a chance to vote on how they'd
arrest him?
"Ok, cuff me, =A0but gently and I want to ride to jail in the front
seat."
No, of course not - but the cops *do* use too much force sometimes and
then they (in too may cases) get away with it. =A0Cops also stick
together. =A0If one knows that his partner has done something wrong, he
will still cover his partner's back and protect him when the behaviour
is questioned.
Of course there are outstanding, excellent cops out there. =A0Just as
there are some real ***** bastards out there that use that badge
of theirs to their advantage.
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There is a universal police and prosecutorial mindset that everyone
is guilty of something, that the accused is always guilty.
That's why so many innocent folq are locked up; they are "guilty"-
-no proof is necessary to convict them.
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| User: "John Lemke" |
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02 Feb 2008 10:35:18 PM |
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On Feb 1, 7:14=A0pm, Dani <d.b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 11:40:51 -0800 (PST), John Lemke
<jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
Did you think they'd give the guy a chance to vote on how they'd
arrest him?
"Ok, cuff me, =A0but gently and I want to ride to jail in the front
seat."
No, of course not - but the cops *do* use too much force sometimes and
then they (in too may cases) get away with it. =A0Cops also stick
together. =A0If one knows that his partner has done something wrong, he
will still cover his partner's back and protect him when the behaviour
is questioned.
Lot's of concern out there about how the police are going to respond
in America as things get "worse". Will they rightly serve the people
or brutally enforce the will of the coming fascist state? :-)
Of course there are outstanding, excellent cops out there. =A0Just as
there are some real ***** bastards out there that use that badge
of theirs to their advantage.
I got pulled over for squealing my tires 35 years ago and had to deal
with one of the ***** bastards you're talking about. Well known small
town type.
I tried to plead with him that the air in my tires was low hence all
the noise when I pealed out from the stoplight. He screamed at me,
"Don't give me that song and dance!!!!!!!!!"
It took every, every last ounce of self control not to break into my
"Singin' in the Rain" Gene Kelly impersonation right there on Main
St. It was close..............
Older, finer citizen nowadays.
Cheers back,
Johm
Cheers,
Dani
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| User: "Dani" |
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01 Feb 2008 06:16:24 PM |
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On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 00:14:11 GMT, Dani <d.b737@yahoo.com> wrote:
No, of course not - but the cops *do* use too much force sometimes and
then they (in too may cases) get away with it.
Oops! Meant to write too "many" cases!
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| User: "Pers3id" |
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01 Feb 2008 10:17:13 PM |
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Dani <d.b737@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1gd7q3l1pglgq1bh7nejvvtog9ltoslvj3@
4ax.com:
On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 00:14:11 GMT, Dani <d.b737@yahoo.com> wrote:
No, of course not - but the cops *do* use too much force sometimes and
then they (in too may cases) get away with it.
Oops! Meant to write too "many" cases!
I think I've had too many cases of beer tonight.. I thought you
said 'too may cases' !! LOL !!
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| User: "Dani" |
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02 Feb 2008 09:03:23 AM |
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On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 22:17:13 -0600, Pers3id
<perseid@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
Dani <d.b737@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1gd7q3l1pglgq1bh7nejvvtog9ltoslvj3@
4ax.com:
On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 00:14:11 GMT, Dani <d.b737@yahoo.com> wrote:
No, of course not - but the cops *do* use too much force sometimes and
then they (in too may cases) get away with it.
Oops! Meant to write too "many" cases!
I think I've had too many cases of beer tonight.. I thought you
said 'too may cases' !! LOL !!
Typo, Randy!
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| User: "Pers3id" |
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02 Feb 2008 09:19:49 AM |
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Dani <d.b737@yahoo.com> wrote in news:rg19q39kdsus8fqlg0ajueeco3s87moa6h@
4ax.com:
On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 22:17:13 -0600, Pers3id
<perseid@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
Dani <d.b737@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1gd7q3l1pglgq1bh7nejvvtog9ltoslvj3@
4ax.com:
On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 00:14:11 GMT, Dani <d.b737@yahoo.com> wrote:
No, of course not - but the cops *do* use too much force sometimes and
then they (in too may cases) get away with it.
Oops! Meant to write too "many" cases!
I think I've had too many cases of beer tonight.. I thought you
said 'too may cases' !! LOL !!
Typo, Randy!
I know dear. I was just poking fun at you as I was drinking a few beers
last night.
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| User: "Dani" |
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02 Feb 2008 09:26:47 AM |
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On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 09:19:49 -0600, Pers3id
<perseid@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
Dani <d.b737@yahoo.com> wrote in news:rg19q39kdsus8fqlg0ajueeco3s87moa6h@
4ax.com:
On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 22:17:13 -0600, Pers3id
<perseid@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
Dani <d.b737@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1gd7q3l1pglgq1bh7nejvvtog9ltoslvj3@
4ax.com:
On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 00:14:11 GMT, Dani <d.b737@yahoo.com> wrote:
No, of course not - but the cops *do* use too much force sometimes and
then they (in too may cases) get away with it.
Oops! Meant to write too "many" cases!
I think I've had too many cases of beer tonight.. I thought you
said 'too may cases' !! LOL !!
Typo, Randy!
I know dear. I was just poking fun at you as I was drinking a few beers
last night.
I know. I was just poking fun at your poking fun at me .. ;)
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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01 Feb 2008 01:27:05 PM |
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On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 10:33:45 -0800, WH wrote:
Wolfy,
You being an ex copper I wonder about something. I have just being
watching that stupid American program COPS and I wonder what you think
of it. You must have seen it sometime. In my opinion America, as I see
it, is a police state. There are always about 8 coppers per perp. They
all see to it that they get their knee into somewhere that hurts, even
the "perps" who give up. Screaming "get face down on the ground" and
when the (actually suspected perp), does it then eight or so coppers
hop on top of him or her and twist their fuckin' arms around in
horrible positions but always have their knee in the (suspected perps)
face. I've also heard them say "you answer me when I talk to you" or
"I told you to do this so do it". Coppers are almighty is what I mean
in good old democratic America.
Strangely enough here in good old "socialist" Sweden, (apparantly
we're not as "free as the yanks"), if a copper told me to shut up I'de
tell him/her to *****-off. If he/she touched me I would fight back. If
they did anything close to or even remotely like what the yanks do on
the telly they'de end up in jail for assault. And rightly so.
Question...your views on this? Is it right that the police force have
the power that the yankie police have or should they be held
accountable...i.e. not just if they shoot and kill someone but even if
they assault someone. Every time I see that COPS program I see police
assaulting people. Your thoughts would be appreciated...is it only me
who see's the assaults or what?
Douglas, keep the ***** out of this...you are not wanted here!
WH
Oh, if you've been watching COPS, you gotta see this!
http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=15797
Woods
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| User: "Dani" |
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01 Feb 2008 05:26:14 PM |
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On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 10:33:45 -0800 (PST), WH <bollogs@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Wolfy,
You being an ex copper I wonder about something. I have just being
watching that stupid American program COPS and I wonder what you think
of it. You must have seen it sometime. In my opinion America, as I see
it, is a police state. There are always about 8 coppers per perp. They
all see to it that they get their knee into somewhere that hurts, even
the "perps" who give up. Screaming "get face down on the ground" and
when the (actually suspected perp), does it then eight or so coppers
hop on top of him or her and twist their fuckin' arms around in
horrible positions but always have their knee in the (suspected perps)
face. I've also heard them say "you answer me when I talk to you" or
"I told you to do this so do it". Coppers are almighty is what I mean
in good old democratic America.
Strangely enough here in good old "socialist" Sweden, (apparantly
we're not as "free as the yanks"), if a copper told me to shut up I'de
tell him/her to *****-off. If he/she touched me I would fight back. If
they did anything close to or even remotely like what the yanks do on
the telly they'de end up in jail for assault. And rightly so.
Question...your views on this? Is it right that the police force have
the power that the yankie police have or should they be held
accountable...i.e. not just if they shoot and kill someone but even if
they assault someone. Every time I see that COPS program I see police
assaulting people. Your thoughts would be appreciated...is it only me
who see's the assaults or what?
No, it's not only you, Chris. And I *hate* that show! Can't bear to
watch it. And I agree with Ricky that some of what you see on that
show is acting for the camera. Not all of it is acting though.
I might not be the best to answer this, though...being that I'm a
little biased and all. Some cops ***** me off to no degree. Of course
you'll find your share of good cops and bad cops; but in my opinion,
they tend to use that badge of theirs, and their ability to throw you
in a cell to their advantage. Meaning if they're having a bad
evening, you say the wrong thing or roll your eyes the wrong way, they
will *find* a reason to arrest you even if one didn't exist before you
rolled your eyes!
Cheers,
Dani
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| User: "Dani" |
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| Title: Re: Question for Wolfy from WH |
02 Feb 2008 09:23:09 AM |
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On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 10:33:45 -0800 (PST), WH <bollogs@hotmail.com>
wrote:
if a copper told me to shut up I'de
tell him/her to *****-off.
It wouldn't be a pretty scene if I told a cop to "*****-off" here,
Chris. It's all: "Yes, sir" - "Forgive me, sir" - "No, sir" etc..
As much as I'd love to tell them to ***** right off, the repercussions
wouldn't be worth it.
If he/she touched me I would fight back.
Oh man, I'd be arrested for assaulting a police officer if I ever
touched one! Of course that would be *after* they thoroughly kicked
my ***** from here to Sunday!
Dani
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