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User: "tw"
Date: 15 Oct 2003 09:27:37 AM
Object: Re: American terrorism continues in Iraq
"Werewolfy" <RickyColeclough@aol.com> wrote in message
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In article <85ebfda0.0310130144.549451da@posting.google.com>,

RickyColeclough@aol.com (Werewolfy) wrote:

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US Soldiers Bulldoze
Iraqi Farmers' Crops, Orchards



Do you have any concept of cause and effect, or of the human psyche?

"It's

only an orchard" is the kind of attitude that's going to bring more

Iraqis into

the (apparently growing) resistance movement.

Woods


============================================================================
====

I hope your view of fruit trees isn't influenced by your name!

I wonder why people blandly accept newspaper articles. Despite it's
name, 'The Independent' is like all other English
newspapers...politically aligned.

Well they have made a big thing about NOT being aligned (hence the name!),
or at least of equal bias towards everybody. They don't too bad a job of
maintaining that aim either IMHO. Of course, in order to back up your
statement you'd have to tell me what politcal alignment the Independent has
and maybe provide a bit of evidence.. I realise that's not the way things
are done in this newsgroup though.

Sensationalism is their stock in
trade,

Not the Indy's - it's a respected broadsheet, not a tabloid. Please back up
your assertion that the "Independent"'s "stock in trade" is "sensationalism"
with some sensationalist articles from them, or I advise you to withdraw
your assertion.

No, I'll believe what I see and not something written in a biased way
to sell papers.

Seemed to be a reporting of the facts to me - trees uprooted as punishment
for not saying where the guerillas are and a few quotes from the *****
locals. Did you read the article?

I doubt that many Iraqi's care too much whether I think 'It's only an
orchard' or otherwise.

That's not what Woods said now is it? Are you being deliberatley obtuse?
Interestingly, punishing the locals in this manner is expressly forbidden by
the Geneva convention, and unlike Jean, I can point you to the actual
articles when I make statements about the GC; instead of evading and
insulting:
Art. 33. No protected person may be punished for an offence he or she has
not personally committed. Collective penalties and likewise all measures of
intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited.
Does that make it a "war crime" I wonder?
.

User: "Werewolfy"

Title: Re: American terrorism continues in Iraq 15 Oct 2003 01:23:53 PM
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In article <85ebfda0.0310130144.549451da@posting.google.com>,

RickyColeclough@aol.com (Werewolfy) wrote:

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US Soldiers Bulldoze
Iraqi Farmers' Crops, Orchards



Do you have any concept of cause and effect, or of the human psyche?

"It's

only an orchard" is the kind of attitude that's going to bring more

Iraqis into

the (apparently growing) resistance movement.

Woods


============================================================================
====

I hope your view of fruit trees isn't influenced by your name!

I wonder why people blandly accept newspaper articles. Despite it's
name, 'The Independent' is like all other English
newspapers...politically aligned.


Well they have made a big thing about NOT being aligned (hence the name!),
or at least of equal bias towards everybody. They don't too bad a job of
maintaining that aim either IMHO. Of course, in order to back up your
statement you'd have to tell me what politcal alignment the Independent has
and maybe provide a bit of evidence.. I realise that's not the way things
are done in this newsgroup though.

Sensationalism is their stock in
trade,


Not the Indy's - it's a respected broadsheet, not a tabloid. Please back up
your assertion that the "Independent"'s "stock in trade" is "sensationalism"
with some sensationalist articles from them, or I advise you to withdraw
your assertion.

No, I'll believe what I see and not something written in a biased way
to sell papers.


Seemed to be a reporting of the facts to me - trees uprooted as punishment
for not saying where the guerillas are and a few quotes from the *****
locals. Did you read the article?


I doubt that many Iraqi's care too much whether I think 'It's only an
orchard' or otherwise.


That's not what Woods said now is it? Are you being deliberatley obtuse?

Interestingly, punishing the locals in this manner is expressly forbidden by
the Geneva convention, and unlike Jean, I can point you to the actual
articles when I make statements about the GC; instead of evading and
insulting:
Art. 33. No protected person may be punished for an offence he or she has
not personally committed. Collective penalties and likewise all measures of
intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited.

Does that make it a "war crime" I wonder?

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Hera ya go pal. Loads of nice slanted reports to browse, and all from
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You might enjoy the 'difference between a grope and a caress maybe? Or
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Or is a nice political opinion something you absorb well enough? Lot's
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would choose to come back as 'Warren Beatty's fingertips' is to your
taste? or perhaps, "Chubby Checker saved my social life?" Oh yes, a
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Think before you speak...
Ricky
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US Soldiers Bulldoze
Iraqi Farmers' Crops, Orchards



Do you have any concept of cause and effect, or of the human psyche?

"It's

only an orchard" is the kind of attitude that's going to bring more

Iraqis into

the (apparently growing) resistance movement.

Woods



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====

I hope your view of fruit trees isn't influenced by your name!

I wonder why people blandly accept newspaper articles. Despite it's
name, 'The Independent' is like all other English
newspapers...politically aligned.


Well they have made a big thing about NOT being aligned (hence the

name!),

or at least of equal bias towards everybody. They don't too bad a job of
maintaining that aim either IMHO. Of course, in order to back up your
statement you'd have to tell me what politcal alignment the Independent

has

and maybe provide a bit of evidence.. I realise that's not the way

things

are done in this newsgroup though.

Sensationalism is their stock in
trade,


Not the Indy's - it's a respected broadsheet, not a tabloid. Please back

up

your assertion that the "Independent"'s "stock in trade" is

"sensationalism"

with some sensationalist articles from them, or I advise you to withdraw
your assertion.

No, I'll believe what I see and not something written in a biased way
to sell papers.


Seemed to be a reporting of the facts to me - trees uprooted as

punishment

for not saying where the guerillas are and a few quotes from the pissed

off

locals. Did you read the article?


I doubt that many Iraqi's care too much whether I think 'It's only an
orchard' or otherwise.


That's not what Woods said now is it? Are you being deliberatley obtuse?

Interestingly, punishing the locals in this manner is expressly

forbidden by

the Geneva convention, and unlike Jean, I can point you to the actual
articles when I make statements about the GC; instead of evading and
insulting:
Art. 33. No protected person may be punished for an offence he or she

has

not personally committed. Collective penalties and likewise all measures

of

intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited.

Does that make it a "war crime" I wonder?


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Hera ya go pal. Loads of nice slanted reports to browse, and all from
recent issues of the so-called 'Independent'.

You quoted pieces from columnists, and of course a columnist is going to be
opiniated and biased, it's their job! Those weren't examples of their news
reporting, which is what I asked for. I ask again tell me what politcal
alignment the Independent has and maybe provide a bit of evidence

Or is a nice political opinion something you absorb well enough? Lot's
of those.

Yes, opinion pieces from columnists. NOT biased reporting of news stories -
you do understand the difference don't you Rick?

Of course, maybe, "Asked about reincarnation, Woody Allen said he
would choose to come back as 'Warren Beatty's fingertips' is to your
taste? or perhaps, "Chubby Checker saved my social life?" Oh yes, a
fine 'news' paper indeed.

So "fine" newspapers don't do interviews with famous people?! How bizarre...
Anyway, this is all strying away from teh point . namely what did you find
biased about the report describing the uprooting of fruit trees? What
political leaning do you feel teh Independant has and can you provide
evidence that their REPORTING OF NEWS STORIES (as opposed to the witterings
of thier columnists) carries this bias?

Think before you speak...

You might care to remove the beam from your own eye before commenting on the
mote in mine..

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The national trust won't be regained by just one speech
28 September 2003
For Blair, style is substance. And if he really listens, then policy
will change
The harshest lessons of Hutton are for the BBC
24 September 2003
The BBC's response to the Gilligan story was as clumsily incompetent
as the original story
Deborah Ross
My So-Called Life: I can be as tough as old boots
15 October 2003
So, off to JJB Sports (Friern Bridge Retail Park, just off London's
North Circular Road, should you ever wish to visit and have a picnic
outside Comet, say) to buy my son some new football boots because, he
insists, last season's are now "much, much, much, too small which
means they are much, much, much too small, mum, as well as being
rather on the small side and not as big as my feet, which makes them
of the much too small variety". I somehow doubt it, but boys, it
seems, must have this season's football boot just as women, I guess,
must have this season's bag, which may or may not be Bill Amberg's
"humorous" soft leather take on the classic checked shopper, at £725.
A lot of money, I know, but if you want to achieve that refugee,
asylum-seeking, launderette-going look without the nylon weave, what
can you do?
My So-Called Life: Why I'm not a bestselling author
08 October 2003
You know, I've always assumed that one day I would be fearfully rich
and famous and as such, am always picking out the zillion-pound house
I will live in when the time comes, rehearsing what I will say when
I'm subjected to the most ruthless of light grillings on Parkinson,
and I've even selected the car I will drive - the Audi TT seems
perfect.
My So-Called Life: Sorry, but I think I've lost the plot
01 October 2003
What an utterly confusing week, for many reasons, chief among them The
Independent's launch as both a broadsheet and a tabloid.
My So-Called Life: Winter is pants. Two pairs, in fact
24 September 2003
I'm feeling especially gloomy at the moment. I don't know quite what
it is, but it's pretty bad. In fact, the other day, I thought: "I'm
going to commit suicide.
Joan Smith
Men get tired - women get HRT
12 October 2003
Is the jury still out on hormone replacement therapy? More and more
women are becoming nervous about taking it, according to new research
which shows that almost 60 per cent of the participants in a study in
New Zealand abandoned it last year.
And they call it a funny old game
05 October 2003
It's just a game, isn't it? Football, that is, and the antics players
get up to off as well as on the pitch. Except that last week it all
turned nasty, when a 17-year-old girl accused Premiership footballers
of gang-raping her.
The loss of a passionate intelligence
28 September 2003
The last time I spoke to Edward Said, we talked on the phone about the
Egyptian human rights campaigner, Saad Eddin Ibrahim.
What bars! Cars! Cigars! What prisons!
21 September 2003
What do you call a country that ruthlessly suppresses dissent,
drastically curtails access to the internet, bangs up opponents for 20
years or more and executes convicted criminals by firing squad?
Mark Steel
The strange appeal of Arnold Schwarzenegger
09 October 2003
Blair will be desperate to copy this strategy - he's probably already
been on the phone to David Jason
The leaden joys of a Prime Minister's speech
02 October 2003
If he ever gets caught having an affair, he'll say, 'But Cherie, on
the evidence at the time, I'd no option'
The demonstration that supports our boys
25 September 2003
Perhaps Tony Blair thinks anyone who can get any weapons ready in 45
minutes should be invaded
How I finally learnt to love country music
18 September 2003
The songs convey a potency, because underlying each twang is a sense
of life being waged against the odds
Janet Street-Porter
Editor-At-Large: Cut up your loyalty card! Say no to yoga!
12 October 2003
There is a myth being propagated by major supermarkets, a fantasy
that, far from being shopkeepers, they are quasi-charitable
organisations with our happiness and well-being as their driving
force.
Putting on the glitz
07 October 2003
Times may be hard for the fashion industry, but in the brash,
brilliant, celebs-with-everything world of Dolce & Gabbana, they've
never had it so good.
Editor-At-Large: Save us from scientists (and plucky totty)
05 October 2003
Scientists recently had to apologise after publishing the results of a
survey which purported to prove that taking the recreational drug
Ecstasy caused brain damage.
Editor-At-Large: Creative designers? I've got the bill to prove it
28 September 2003
There was a moment last week when I felt horribly like the odd one out
at the office party, the only person who's turned up in suspenders
dressed for a vicars' and tarts' booze-up when everyone else is in
normal casualwear.
Thomas Sutcliffe
Do cultural shards have any impact?
10 October 2003
Almost the very first thing you see in the Victoria and Albert's new
exhibition of English Gothic art is a sword.
'Russian roulette' was nothing more than a mug's game
06 October 2003
To everyone's relief but not, one imagines, to anyone's enormous
surprise, Derren Brown, Channel 4's ratings-grabbing illusionist, will
be available for another series.
I want my artists to be moral heroes
03 October 2003
Just five pages into Robert Hughes' new biography of Goya, the reader
will come across this sentence: "Artists are rarely moral heroes and
should not be expected to be, any more than plumbers or dog-breeders
are.
Good luck, Michael, nobody wins if you fail
26 July 2002
In an open letter to Michael Boyd, Thomas Sutcliffe offers four pieces
of advice for the company's future
Brian Viner
The prejudices of Henry VIII live on
14 October 2003
They might have concluded that if there is a boy in the family, men
are less likely to chop their wives' heads off
The soap that washes its hands of real life
07 October 2003
It has taken 43 years to acknowledge the passion that might beat in
the breast of one man for another
The explosive nature of Scotch whisky
30 September 2003
The distilling process is uncannily similar to the methods used to
manufacture weapons of mass destruction
Tales Of The Country: Days of wine and wet noses
26 September 2003
Three or four miles from us as the crow would fly if the farmer hadn't
already shot him stands one of England's more northerly vineyards,
Broadfield Court, the home of Bodenham English Wines.
Alan Watkins
Raise a glass to the death of the Nice Party
12 October 2003
After a friend of mine had left Wales, Lady Megan Lloyd George asked
him how he was getting on with the English.
Alan Watkins: I had just a twinge of sympathy for Mr Blair
05 October 2003
Visiting the doctor's surgery a few days ago - nothing serious - I had
got through my Independent and was looking morosely at the several
posters which adorned the walls.
Mr Gilligan sloppy? Utterly reliable, I say
28 September 2003
After some days of turning up at Lord Hutton's inquiry, and a longer
period of following its proceedings at a distance, I find myself a
member of a communion as exclusive, even perhaps as eccentric, as,
say, the Wee Frees.
A good start, your honour. But what, pray, is the issue?
17 August 2003
THE OVERVIEW
Andreas Whittam Smith
Politicians could learn about risk from business
14 October 2003
'When people say you're nuts, you just might be nuts.' Mr Blair,
however, has no doubts
Tony Blair's credibility takes yet another hit
06 October 2003
The Prime Minister is like an experienced mountaineer who begins to
wonder if this time he won't return
Iraq is Tony Blair's war. He should now do the honourable thing and
resign
29 September 2003
I believe he should accept responsibility for one of the worst foreign
policy disasters the country has ever experienced
Some lessons in journalism for the BBC
15 September 2003
In newspapers, ideas for revelations normally arise from the
underlying editorial stance
John Walsh
Tales Of The City: Darling, you'd be a marvellous PM...
09 October 2003
Watching Arnold Schwarzenegger campaigning for the governorship of
California, one has been struck by three things.
Tales Of The City: What seems to be the trouble?
02 October 2003
I can't help wondering what my father, a Battersea GP, would have made
of the government's plan to rate family doctors according to a new
"points" system.
In a manner of speaking
01 October 2003
A new Oxford Dictionary of ...uphemisms is about to hit the shops.
John Walsh takes a small libation with well-informed sources
Tales Of The City: Ulysses is on the left. (Apparently)
25 September 2003
The outbreak of controversy over Turner's oil paintings is surely
taking literal-mindedness to extremes.
Suzi Godson
S is for Sex: Cool condoms
06 July 2003
I received an interesting email last week. It told me that I would
shortly get the opportunity to watch Ken Livingstone filling condoms.
Once my gag reflex had subsided, I read the rest of it. Ken will
indeed be filling condoms but not, thank heavens, with his own seed.
S is for Sex: The power of chemistry
29 June 2003
What is the force that lights the fuse between two complete strangers?
What current pulses through their veins, engorges their hearts,
occupies their minds and numbs their texting fingers?
S is for Sex: It pays to exercise
22 June 2003
A long, long, time ago I used to live in New York, in a railroad
apartment on Mulberry Street, Little Italy.
S is for Sex: Having kids isn't child's play
15 June 2003
Hurray for dads. None of us could live without them. Literally.
Without the white stuff, love would be a very unproductive affair,
because messy spunky sperm provide our efficient little eggs with a
reason for getting out of the womb every month.
Charlotte O'Sullivan
Dress-Down Friday: Thin's no fun
20 December 2002
Magazines are currently running their best-of lists and, as ever, the
latter are as revealing as they are fatuous.
Dress-Down Friday: Enough with the Oirishness
13 December 2002
The luck of the Irish, eh? When I was growing up, available role
models consisted of clueless Chief O'Hara in Batman; or Val Doonican
and Terry Wogan.
Dress-Down Friday: My flat-share hell
06 December 2002
Euan Blair deserves a little privacy, not least from his parents. This
week, it was revealed that Tony and Cherie have bought him a flat in
Bristol, where he's studying ancient history.
Dress-Down Friday: Bum steer
29 November 2002
George Clooney has a bum. Does the thought of this bring you out in a
cold sweat? Does the fact that said region can be witnessed not once
but twice in his new sci-fi movie, Solaris, make you want to see it?
Denisella Brown
My Fabulous Life: How I took a bite of the Big Apple
13 August 2003
Oh dear. I don't know how it happened. My forthcoming guest appearance
in Sex and the City was meant to be a big secret but here, alas, is
the photograph, leaked to the press by myself, entirely against my own
wishes.
My Fabulous Life: Now's the time to stand by your man
06 August 2003
What a glorious week all round! A glorious week for the weather - I
used to be TV-am's weather girl, as you know, and still have a great
fondness for weather - and a glorious week for British justice.
My Fabulous Life: Tough times for working mothers
30 July 2003
Yes, thank you, I had a marvellous time at my yoga retreat in the
Atlas mountains, and feel that my all-important yin has been much
restored.
My Fabulous Life: A right royal fancy-dress knees-up...
25 June 2003
Yes, thank you, I did have the most super time at Prince William's
21st birthday party last weekend.
Natasha Walter
The victor of the news war has been the internet
10 April 2003
This war has brought home to so many of us that, although we live in a
world with an endless deluge of information, that doesn't necessarily
make us feel well informed.
Would there have been this war if there was true equality for women?
03 April 2003
Even when women get to carry out orders, that doesn't mean that they
are orders women have participated in forging
How long will our interest last when the soldiers go?
27 March 2003
Some optimistic commentators are now saying that the protesters may
not have stopped the war, but they are having an influence on the way
it is being waged.
Don't idealise the soldiers fighting this unjust war
20 March 2003
Tony Blair has entered a plea yesterday for the country to stop
bickering and to unite behind our armed forces.

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User: "Werewolfy"

Title: Re: American terrorism continues in Iraq 16 Oct 2003 01:25:38 PM
"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:<bmlj55$j8h$1@newstree.wise.edt.ericsson.se>...
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Funny thing isn't it.....readers protective of their favourite paper.
I am a Telegraph reader.
Now Tw. Printed matter from a reporter is a reflection of his views,
and endorsed by the ownership and the editor of the paper.
All newspapers, no matter what they claim about themselves, have a
very substantial financial interest in selling their product.
All editors like to follow the line of the directorship...they like to
keep their job.
Just the style of a few words will give a different picture. It is for
that reason that I don't believe what is written in any newspaper.
There is always an unsaid remark, a few words overstated, that gives
the reader a false impression.
Incidently...you do know that The Independent went 'tabloid' in the
London area at the beginning of the month, don't you? They wish to
extend this to the National issue.
No matter. Tv news, radio or papers. All give their own versions of
things.
I am a sceptic...until I see all sides.
You think that to be wrong, a fault?
Ricky
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User: "tw"

Title: Re: American terrorism continues in Iraq 17 Oct 2003 02:44:53 AM
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Funny thing isn't it.....readers protective of their favourite paper.

Eh? The Independent is far rom my favourite paper, I was just hoping you'd
maybe back up your various assertions with some actual evidence. You know,
like identifying what bias teh Independent had and producing some evidence
to back that up, or showing what you meant when you siad "sensationalism is
their stock in trade" I see you can't be bothered to do that so I won't
bother pushing it either.

Now Tw. Printed matter from a reporter is a reflection of his views,
and endorsed by the ownership and the editor of the paper.

SO what is the bias of the Independent then? Can you produce any evidence
supporting your assertion of this bias? Can you provide evidence showing
that the reporters, editors and readership of eth Independent are
motivated/titillated by sensationalism?

Incidently...you do know that The Independent went 'tabloid' in the
London area at the beginning of the month, don't you?

"Tabloid" as in they reduced its dimension, not tabloid as in the Sunday
Sport. You DO know the difference don't you Ricky?

No matter. Tv news, radio or papers. All give their own versions of
things.
I am a sceptic...until I see all sides.

You think that to be wrong, a fault?

Not at all, but making sweeping generalisations without evidence is a fault.
As is presneting pieces written by COLUMNISTS as being news reporting.
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