On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, "Ardeet" wrote:
1) What are the dates and times of earth's apogee and perigee for 2004?
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*Lunar Perigee and Apogee Calculator
http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/pacalc.html
*Perihelion, Aphelion, Equinoxes & Solstices:
http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/EarthSeasons.html
*DOWNLOAD FREEWARE Astrolog 5.41G (V. Abramov):
(includes oscil lilith, stores minutes:seconds,
obliquity to the ecliptic, TDT-UT delta etc.)
http://www.bdcol.ee/astrolog/changed/a541gwin.zip
http://www.bdcol.ee/astrolog/changed/
*DOWNLOAD FREEWARE Swiss Ephemeris (JPL-DE406):
ftp://ftp.astro.ch/pub/swisseph/ephe/
*DOWNLOAD FREEWARE Shadows Sundial Program:
http://web.fc-net.fr/frb/sundials/gb/defaut.htm
*DOWNLOAD FREEWARE Carte du Ciel:
http://www.stargazing.net/astropc/index.html
*DOWNLOAD FULL-FUNCTION DEMO of SkyMap:
http://www.skymap.com/smp_eval.htm
ftp://ftp.ttp.co.uk/smp9eval.exe
*1965 NASA Dictionary of Technical Terms:
(compare modern dictionary definitions)
http://roland.lerc.nasa.gov/~dglover/dictionary/content.html
*Precision Solar System Data:
http://www.solarviews.com/eng/data1.htm#orb
http://www.solarviews.com/eng/data2.htm#phy
http://www.solarviews.com/eng/homepage.htm
http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/planets/index.cfm
http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/phys_props_planets.html
http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/elem_planets.html
*Precision ACS Int'l Atlas (Shank's):
http://www.astro.com/cgi/aq.cgi
*Precision Julian-to-Gregorian Dates:
http://www.norbyhus.dk/calendar.html
*Precision US Map Coordinates:
http://terraserver.microsoft.com/default.aspx
*TopoZone (cf. terraserver):
http://www.topozone.com/
*Precision Int'l Map Coordinates:
http://www.maporama.com/share/
*Precision UK Street Maps:
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/
*Precision Ancient Babylonian Astronomy:
http://www.spirasolaris.ca/sbb2c.html
*Time Series Analysis & Graphics:
http://www.spirasolaris.ca/time1.html
http://www.spirasolaris.ca/times2.html
*See also:
http://www.spirasolaris.ca/
But be sure to separate facts from opinions,
strict calculations from flights of fantasy;
otherwise, these are very interesting pages.
*Miscellaneous Reference For Periodic Events:
http://climate.gi.alaska.edu/Curtis/astro1.html
Hope that helps,
Daniel Joseph Min
*Min's Interlinear Translation of the Apocalypse:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=N8G8XLYW37986.0680439815@Gilgamesh-Frog.org
*Min's Newsgroup-Archived Home Page On The World Wide Web:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=5YTK57VH37948.6355092593@Gilgamesh-frog.org
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15 Jan 2004 11:16:13 PM |
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HHEHEEHHE heheheh Hey Bevis they don't know what apogee means.
YEH YEH YEH YEH I am cornholieo.....
HEH HEHEHEHE Apogee make software.
"Dr.Min" <dr.min@apocalypse.now> wrote in message
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On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, "Ardeet" wrote:
1) What are the dates and times of earth's apogee and perigee for 2004?
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*Lunar Perigee and Apogee Calculator
http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/pacalc.html
*Perihelion, Aphelion, Equinoxes & Solstices:
http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/EarthSeasons.html
*DOWNLOAD FREEWARE Astrolog 5.41G (V. Abramov):
(includes oscil lilith, stores minutes:seconds,
obliquity to the ecliptic, TDT-UT delta etc.)
http://www.bdcol.ee/astrolog/changed/a541gwin.zip
http://www.bdcol.ee/astrolog/changed/
*DOWNLOAD FREEWARE Swiss Ephemeris (JPL-DE406):
ftp://ftp.astro.ch/pub/swisseph/ephe/
*DOWNLOAD FREEWARE Shadows Sundial Program:
http://web.fc-net.fr/frb/sundials/gb/defaut.htm
*DOWNLOAD FREEWARE Carte du Ciel:
http://www.stargazing.net/astropc/index.html
*DOWNLOAD FULL-FUNCTION DEMO of SkyMap:
http://www.skymap.com/smp_eval.htm
ftp://ftp.ttp.co.uk/smp9eval.exe
*1965 NASA Dictionary of Technical Terms:
(compare modern dictionary definitions)
http://roland.lerc.nasa.gov/~dglover/dictionary/content.html
*Precision Solar System Data:
http://www.solarviews.com/eng/data1.htm#orb
http://www.solarviews.com/eng/data2.htm#phy
http://www.solarviews.com/eng/homepage.htm
http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/planets/index.cfm
http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/phys_props_planets.html
http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/elem_planets.html
*Precision ACS Int'l Atlas (Shank's):
http://www.astro.com/cgi/aq.cgi
*Precision Julian-to-Gregorian Dates:
http://www.norbyhus.dk/calendar.html
*Precision US Map Coordinates:
http://terraserver.microsoft.com/default.aspx
*TopoZone (cf. terraserver):
http://www.topozone.com/
*Precision Int'l Map Coordinates:
http://www.maporama.com/share/
*Precision UK Street Maps:
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/
*Precision Ancient Babylonian Astronomy:
http://www.spirasolaris.ca/sbb2c.html
*Time Series Analysis & Graphics:
http://www.spirasolaris.ca/time1.html
http://www.spirasolaris.ca/times2.html
*See also:
http://www.spirasolaris.ca/
But be sure to separate facts from opinions,
strict calculations from flights of fantasy;
otherwise, these are very interesting pages.
*Miscellaneous Reference For Periodic Events:
http://climate.gi.alaska.edu/Curtis/astro1.html
Hope that helps,
Daniel Joseph Min
*Min's Interlinear Translation of the Apocalypse:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=N8G8XLYW37986.0680439815@Gilgamesh-Frog.org
*Min's Newsgroup-Archived Home Page On The World Wide Web:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=5YTK57VH37948.6355092593@Gilgamesh-frog.org
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15 Jan 2004 05:44:17 PM |
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The "apogee of earth" would be when the earth is farthest from earth. I
assume you meant something else!
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15 Jan 2004 06:48:47 PM |
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Hummm...
Apogee - Isn't it furthest from the Sun?
"Michael A. Covington" <look@www.covingtoninnovations.com.for.address>
wrote in message news:xZqdnTc2LpJMuJrdRVn-vA@speedfactory.net...
The "apogee of earth" would be when the earth is farthest from earth. I
assume you meant something else!
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| User: "Michael A. Covington" |
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15 Jan 2004 08:20:18 PM |
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"ypauls" <no@msn.com> wrote in message
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Hummm...
Apogee - Isn't it furthest from the Sun?
No. That's aphelion.
"Michael A. Covington" <look@www.covingtoninnovations.com.for.address>
wrote in message news:xZqdnTc2LpJMuJrdRVn-vA@speedfactory.net...
The "apogee of earth" would be when the earth is farthest from earth. I
assume you meant something else!
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| User: "Greg Neill" |
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15 Jan 2004 07:01:31 PM |
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"ypauls" <no@msn.com> wrote in message news:UuCdnbI4pYRwqZrdRVn-uA@sti.net...
Hummm...
Apogee - Isn't it furthest from the Sun?
Nope. That's aphelion. Gee refers to geo: Earth.
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| User: "Del Johnson delastro@{right star in Orions belt}.sdsu.edu" |
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15 Jan 2004 07:04:50 PM |
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Can be. "Apogee" can specifically refer to orbits about the Earth or just
orbits in general. In the most broad sense it can mean the highest point of
anything. The "Apogee CCD" brand of imaging equipment refers to high
standards rather than CCD cameras orbiting the Earth.
Del Johnson
"ypauls" <no@msn.com> wrote in message
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Hummm...
Apogee - Isn't it furthest from the Sun?
"Michael A. Covington" <look@www.covingtoninnovations.com.for.address>
wrote in message news:xZqdnTc2LpJMuJrdRVn-vA@speedfactory.net...
The "apogee of earth" would be when the earth is farthest from earth. I
assume you meant something else!
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| User: "John Zinni" |
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16 Jan 2004 07:08:54 AM |
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"Del Johnson" <delastro@{right star in Orion's belt}.sdsu.edu> wrote in
message news:bu7dfm$osb$1@gondor.sdsu.edu...
Can be. "Apogee" can specifically refer to orbits about the Earth or just
orbits in general.
The terms for any elliptic orbit in general are Apoapsis and Periapsis.
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Apoapsis.html
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Periapsis.html
In the most broad sense it can mean the highest point of
anything. The "Apogee CCD" brand of imaging equipment refers to high
standards rather than CCD cameras orbiting the Earth.
Del Johnson
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| User: "Michael A. Covington" |
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15 Jan 2004 08:21:50 PM |
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"Del Johnson" <delastro@{right star in Orion's belt}.sdsu.edu> wrote in
message news:bu7dfm$osb$1@gondor.sdsu.edu...
Can be. "Apogee" can specifically refer to orbits about the Earth or just
orbits in general. In the most broad sense it can mean the highest point
of
anything. The "Apogee CCD" brand of imaging equipment refers to high
standards rather than CCD cameras orbiting the Earth.
Del Johnson
No, "apogee" does not mean "highest point" in some abstract sense; it means
"(time or place of) maximum distance from earth." For other celestial
bodies there are other terms.
"ypauls" <no@msn.com> wrote in message
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Hummm...
Apogee - Isn't it furthest from the Sun?
"Michael A. Covington" <look@www.covingtoninnovations.com.for.address>
wrote in message news:xZqdnTc2LpJMuJrdRVn-vA@speedfactory.net...
The "apogee of earth" would be when the earth is farthest from earth.
I
assume you meant something else!
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| User: "Chris L Peterson" |
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16 Jan 2004 02:23:10 AM |
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On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 21:21:50 -0500, "Michael A. Covington"
<look@www.covingtoninnovations.com.for.address> wrote:
No, "apogee" does not mean "highest point" in some abstract sense; it means
"(time or place of) maximum distance from earth." For other celestial
bodies there are other terms.
Certainly there is a common usage of "apogee" to mean the highest point- that
definition is given in most dictionaries. And while the original scientific
meaning was the point where a body orbiting the Earth reaches its maximum
distance (as seen obviously in the word's roots) it does now mean the point
where an orbiting body is farthest from any planet or satellite. However, the
term "aphelion" is used for the maximum distance of a body orbiting the Sun (and
presumably any star, although I haven't heard it used that way) so it really
makes no sense to talk about the Earth's apogee or perigee. But considering the
source, why would we expect it to?
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Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com
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| User: "Michael A. Covington" |
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16 Jan 2004 08:26:03 AM |
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"Chris L Peterson" <clp@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote in message
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On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 21:21:50 -0500, "Michael A. Covington"
<look@www.covingtoninnovations.com.for.address> wrote:
No, "apogee" does not mean "highest point" in some abstract sense; it
means
"(time or place of) maximum distance from earth." For other celestial
bodies there are other terms.
Certainly there is a common usage of "apogee" to mean the highest point-
that
definition is given in most dictionaries. And while the original
scientific
meaning was the point where a body orbiting the Earth reaches its maximum
distance (as seen obviously in the word's roots) it does now mean the
point
where an orbiting body is farthest from any planet or satellite. However,
the
term "aphelion" is used for the maximum distance of a body orbiting the
Sun (and
presumably any star, although I haven't heard it used that way) so it
really
makes no sense to talk about the Earth's apogee or perigee. But
considering the
source, why would we expect it to?
Max./min. distance from earth: apogee / perigee
From sun: aphelion / perihelion
From another star: apastron / periastron
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| User: "Chris L Peterson" |
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16 Jan 2004 10:17:48 AM |
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On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 09:26:03 -0500, "Michael A. Covington"
<look@www.covingtoninnovations.com.for.address> wrote:
From another star: apastron / periastron
Ah, that makes sense. But it appears that in actual usage this isn't so common.
I reviewed a number of papers on extrasolar planets, and most seem to use the
terms aphelion and perihelion (one used those terms with apastron and periastron
in parentheses after). Where I found apastron and periastron used commonly was
for describing the orbits of binary stars.
As in the case of apogee and perigee, word usage ultimately comes down to, well,
_usage_, and not original meaning or root meanings.
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Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com
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| User: "Greg Neill" |
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16 Jan 2004 11:47:12 AM |
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"Chris L Peterson" <clp@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote in message
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On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 09:26:03 -0500, "Michael A. Covington"
<look@www.covingtoninnovations.com.for.address> wrote:
From another star: apastron / periastron
Ah, that makes sense. But it appears that in actual usage this isn't so
common.
I reviewed a number of papers on extrasolar planets, and most seem to use
the
terms aphelion and perihelion (one used those terms with apastron and
periastron
in parentheses after). Where I found apastron and periastron used commonly
was
for describing the orbits of binary stars.
As in the case of apogee and perigee, word usage ultimately comes down to,
well,
_usage_, and not original meaning or root meanings.
Indeed. Scientific terms have a tendency to make their way
into "common" usage by the general public via the media.
Quite often, there they morph into something quite different
from the accepted scientific usage.
Take, for instance, the term "quantum". Quantum effects
generally have to due with the very, very tiny, and a
"quantum jump" is often a smallest-unit transition. In
common usage though, a "quantum leap" is often construed
to be a gigantic step forward.
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| User: "Brian Tung" |
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16 Jan 2004 01:13:41 PM |
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Greg Neill wrote:
Take, for instance, the term "quantum". Quantum effects
generally have to due with the very, very tiny, and a
"quantum jump" is often a smallest-unit transition. In
common usage though, a "quantum leap" is often construed
to be a gigantic step forward.
Well, it *is* a gigantic step--for an electron. What's brought out
in the metaphor is not the absolute size of the transition, but its
discontinuous nature. Incremental change is not a quantum leap, but
a startling new innovation may be.
Brian Tung <brian@isi.edu>
The Astronomy Corner at http://astro.isi.edu/
Unofficial C5+ Home Page at http://astro.isi.edu/c5plus/
The PleiadAtlas Home Page at http://astro.isi.edu/pleiadatlas/
My Own Personal FAQ (SAA) at http://astro.isi.edu/reference/faq.txt
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| User: "Bruce Sterling Woodcock" |
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16 Jan 2004 05:19:26 PM |
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"Brian Tung" <brian@isi.edu> wrote in message
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Greg Neill wrote:
Take, for instance, the term "quantum". Quantum effects
generally have to due with the very, very tiny, and a
"quantum jump" is often a smallest-unit transition. In
common usage though, a "quantum leap" is often construed
to be a gigantic step forward.
Well, it *is* a gigantic step--for an electron. What's brought out
in the metaphor is not the absolute size of the transition, but its
discontinuous nature. Incremental change is not a quantum leap, but
a startling new innovation may be.
I think I explained this to Greg (or someone else) before.
The use of "quantum leap" is NOT being misused in
general usage. Quantum leaps are not very very tiny
in context... in context, they are quite large compared
to infinitessimally small and incremental change. The
"false" charge of misuse comes from missing the
context and comparing things of differeing scales.
Bruce
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16 Jan 2004 11:55:08 AM |
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.... will vary depending on the state of the moon,
the populations location and the out come of the
Michael Jackson trial.
The Psychedelick Pope
Saint Isidore of Laytonville
^Ö^ Patron Saint of the Internet ^Ö^
°°^Ö^ °°
http://apple2.org.za/gswv/me
AOXOMOXOA and ENESSA QUA ONNICA
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16 Jan 2004 08:44:55 AM |
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Michael A. Covington wrote:
"Chris L Peterson" <clp@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote in message
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On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 21:21:50 -0500, "Michael A. Covington"
<look@www.covingtoninnovations.com.for.address> wrote:
<snip>
Max./min. distance from earth: apogee / perigee
Apo = from, gee = earth ...
From sun: aphelion / perihelion
Apo = from, helion = sun ....
From another star: apastron / periastron
Apo = from, astron = star ..
Now, Michael et al, can we extend this to also aposelene / periselene where
Apo = from, selene = moon
using the same Greek roots?
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Michael A. Covington wrote:<br>
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Apo = from, astron = star ..<br>
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Now, Michael et al, can we extend this to also aposelene / periselene
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Apo = from, selene = moon<br>
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using the same Greek roots?<br>
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Apogee refers to the greatest distance that the moon can attain while it
is orbitting earth. Now, as for "apogee of earth", I have no idea what
this means.
For the earth-sun distance, it is aphelion and not apogee, from the
Greek apo (from) and helion (sun).
Anthony.
ypauls wrote:
Hummm...
Apogee - Isn't it furthest from the Sun?
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The "apogee of earth" would be when the earth is farthest from earth. I
assume you meant something else!
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Apogee refers to the greatest distance that the moon can attain while
it is orbitting earth. Now, as for "apogee of earth", I have no idea
what this means.<br>
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For the earth-sun distance, it is aphelion and not apogee, from the
Greek apo (from) and helion (sun).<br>
<br>
Anthony.<br>
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ypauls wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite" cite="midUuCdnbI4pYRwqZrdRVn-uA@sti.net">
<pre wrap="">Hummm...
Apogee - Isn't it furthest from the Sun?
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<pre wrap="">The "apogee of earth" would be when the earth is farthest from earth. I
assume you meant something else!
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