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Date: 08 Jan 2004 11:04:27 AM
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Another generation of Iraqi rebels is already here to replace the ones Bu$h
may have captured or killed.

Is Amerika also ready to commit its children to this unnecessary war that was
started over lies?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
".........Is Amerika also ready to commit its children to this unnecessary war that was
started over lies?........."
Let's re-phrase that.
The Bush Administration is ready and willing to commit American working-class children
to an unnecessary war that was started over lies.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The worst part about this all is that they did not feel this way before. It
is Bu$h's invasion that has now created a whole new generation of enemies.

Why? Because Halliburton and the military contractors need an excuse to
steal your tax $$$! Because criminals like Bu$h need an enemy to justify
their Imperialism and crimes. Yes, THAT is the Truth, and even the most
ignorant, brainwashed, and foolish of you will come to realize it
eventually. Hopefully it will be before these bloodthirsty crooks force a
genuine WMD against a U$ city...

In Sunni Bastion, They Are Ready for a Fight
Even with Hussein in custody, anti-American sentiment fuels Iraqi
midsection's insurgency.
by Tracy Wilkinson
Los Angeles Times

FALLOUJA, Iraq — The boys at the Arabian Gulf Elementary School knew what
they were supposed to say when a visitor asked about the American soldiers
occupying Iraq. With their teachers looking on approvingly, they waved
their hands in excitement and jumped to their feet when called upon.

"Since the Americans arrived we have only had problems," declared 12-year-
old Mahmoud Ali, a rail-thin child with buckteeth. "We must resist them!"

"We must force them to leave, with bombs, with explosives. They will not
listen to words," proclaimed curly-headed Mustafa Saleh, 13.

"I am ready to fight them now!" said Jasem Faisal, 12, and barely as tall
as the rifle he seemed eager to have at hand.
Saddam Hussein may be behind bars, but the anti-American sentiment that
feeds a tenacious armed insurgency lives on — unfettered and growing. In
especially hostile towns like Fallouja, indoctrination at school is
reinforced by the tight network of families and clans that governs rural
Iraqi society.

U.S. authorities believed that Hussein's arrest would staunch the flow of
money to guerrillas, rob them of their inspiration and blunt the
insurgency.

Violence escalated immediately after his capture and has continued during
the Christmas holidays, with more than a dozen U.S. troops killed by
hostile fire in the 17 days since Hussein was pulled from his underground
hide-out. But overall, military officials say, the number of attacks on
American forces have dropped significantly compared with the 50-a-day pace
of mid-September.

Hundreds of people have been rounded up in the Sunni-dominated midsection
of Iraq in operations with names like "Iron Grip" and "Rifles Fury." Some
of the arrests were made as a result of intelligence gleaned from documents
seized along with the deposed, and now jailed, former dictator.

But it remains too early to know whether the resistance has indeed suffered
a decisive blow or whether gunmen and bombers are merely lying low while
the heat is on and are planning to regroup. An incursion Saturday into the
southern city of Karbala was one of the most brazen and well-coordinated
yet; seven U.S. allies were killed.

Many Iraqis, in contrast with U.S.-led occupation authorities, have
predicted the resistance will persist and intensify, and nowhere is that
sentiment stronger than in Fallouja, a Sunni bastion and center of
guerrilla activity.

"The motto of everyone here, young or old, is that we will not let any
occupier, criminal or thief take over this land," said Fakhir Khalifa, a
prominent Fallouja businessman. "In these times, women are telling their
children to become martyrs for Islam. Even at school, children are being
told that the occupiers must be kicked out."

U.S. authorities have suggested that the arrest of Hussein might dry up the
money that finances guerrilla operations. Large stashes of cash — hundreds
of thousands of dollars — have been seized in U.S. Army raids.

Khalifa said the fighters, whom people in Fallouja refer to as moujahedeen,
have numerous means of financial and logistical support — including their
tribal ties, donations collected at mosques, supplies from farmers and
money from businessmen.

"People will sell their furniture to sponsor the resistance," Khalifa said.

Local police, too, remain reluctant to challenge the insurgents, many of
whom are relatives. Capt. Ahmed Suleiman, who runs a police station in
suburban Fallouja, said every time U.S. forces ask his men to join in a
search for guerrillas, he must politely decline.

"We tell them, no, we can't do that," Suleiman said. "The moujahedeen would
say we are collaborators. You work with the Americans, you die."

The insurgency, which by most accounts is organized in cells across central
Iraq and in Baghdad with only a minimal centralized command structure,
remains a shadowy force.

Interviews with a handful of members in the last several months have
suggested that the resistance has evolved from a movement to restore
Hussein to power to a broader battle with multiple motives, including
hatred of the Americans, resentment over foreign occupation, disillusion
with the slow pace of recovery, and fear of losing status amid the rise of
other, long-oppressed Iraqi factions such as the Shiites and the Kurds.

Some of the insurgency has also taken on a heavily religious tone thanks to
the influence of a fundamentalist strain of Sunni Islam that gained
strength in the political vacuum following the fall of Hussein's regime.

Hussein was irrelevant to these Islam-inspired fighters and to a small
number of foreign jihadis who have infiltrated into Iraq from Syria and
elsewhere. They can be expected to continue their resistance with or
without the former Iraqi president's influence.

The insurgents have accounted for the deaths of more than 200 U.S. soldiers
since President Bush declared the end of major combat activities May 1.

Even in Fallouja's more well-to-do, middle-class neighborhoods, support for
the resistance is fed by resentment of the American-led military operations
— frustrating roadblocks, intrusive raids on homes and persistent buzzing
of the town by fighter jets.

Hassen Fadawi, 47, a man of patrician bearing who owns an auto dealership
in Fallouja, said he does not encourage any of his five sons to take up
arms against the Americans because the Iraqis would always be outgunned.
Fadawi's two-story house came under what everyone in the neighborhood
described as a barrage of U.S. tank fire one day last week after insurgents
attacked a train carrying supplies to a U.S. military base.

The Fadawi residence faces the main Fallouja train station, and the
crippled carriage came to a stop just short of the station. As soldiers
tried to recover goods from the wreckage, Iraqi gunmen opened fire with
assault rifles from the street alongside the Fadawi house — according to a
witness' account — and the Americans retaliated.
At least four shells appeared to have slammed into the Fadawi home,
punching large holes into the wall of an upstairs bedroom and a wall around
the roof terrace. No one was hurt, but the attack ignited a fire that
destroyed the family's new refrigerator and deep freeze.

Fadawi's wife, who was at home at the time of the attack with their
children, was terrified. She would be happy, she said, if one of her sons
decided to join the moujahedeen.
"Because of what I have witnessed, I would tell him to go!" Lamiaa Fadawi
said. "At least instead of being killed [by random fire], he would die in
the battlefield. That would be better."

"We tell our children to be patient," added her husband. "But our hatred
for the Americans is getting bigger and bigger."
One son, Hani, 20, sat quietly between his parents. "If it weren't for the
resistance, the Americans would really be out of control," he said. "The
moujahedeen are heroes."

.

User: "Harvey"

Title: Re: Bu$h Has Created an Entire Generation of Enemies. 09 Jan 2004 10:04:07 AM
<grub@internet.charitydays.co.uk> wrote in message
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Another generation of Iraqi rebels is already here to replace the ones

Bu$h

may have captured or killed.

Is Amerika also ready to commit its children to this unnecessary war that

was

started over lies?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
".........Is Amerika also ready to commit its children to this unnecessary

war that was

started over lies?........."


Let's re-phrase that.

The Bush Administration is ready and willing to commit American

working-class children

to an unnecessary war that was started over lies.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Oooooh... so much better, I can see why you took the time, and our time, to
do that.
Thank you so much.
Harvey

The worst part about this all is that they did not feel this way before.

It

is Bu$h's invasion that has now created a whole new generation of

enemies.


Why? Because Halliburton and the military contractors need an excuse to
steal your tax $$$! Because criminals like Bu$h need an enemy to justify
their Imperialism and crimes. Yes, THAT is the Truth, and even the most
ignorant, brainwashed, and foolish of you will come to realize it
eventually. Hopefully it will be before these bloodthirsty crooks force a
genuine WMD against a U$ city...

In Sunni Bastion, They Are Ready for a Fight
Even with Hussein in custody, anti-American sentiment fuels Iraqi
midsection's insurgency.
by Tracy Wilkinson
Los Angeles Times

FALLOUJA, Iraq - The boys at the Arabian Gulf Elementary School knew what
they were supposed to say when a visitor asked about the American

soldiers

occupying Iraq. With their teachers looking on approvingly, they waved
their hands in excitement and jumped to their feet when called upon.

"Since the Americans arrived we have only had problems," declared

12-year-

old Mahmoud Ali, a rail-thin child with buckteeth. "We must resist them!"

"We must force them to leave, with bombs, with explosives. They will not
listen to words," proclaimed curly-headed Mustafa Saleh, 13.

"I am ready to fight them now!" said Jasem Faisal, 12, and barely as tall
as the rifle he seemed eager to have at hand.
Saddam Hussein may be behind bars, but the anti-American sentiment that
feeds a tenacious armed insurgency lives on - unfettered and growing. In
especially hostile towns like Fallouja, indoctrination at school is
reinforced by the tight network of families and clans that governs rural
Iraqi society.

U.S. authorities believed that Hussein's arrest would staunch the flow of
money to guerrillas, rob them of their inspiration and blunt the
insurgency.

Violence escalated immediately after his capture and has continued during
the Christmas holidays, with more than a dozen U.S. troops killed by
hostile fire in the 17 days since Hussein was pulled from his underground
hide-out. But overall, military officials say, the number of attacks on
American forces have dropped significantly compared with the 50-a-day

pace

of mid-September.

Hundreds of people have been rounded up in the Sunni-dominated midsection
of Iraq in operations with names like "Iron Grip" and "Rifles Fury." Some
of the arrests were made as a result of intelligence gleaned from

documents

seized along with the deposed, and now jailed, former dictator.

But it remains too early to know whether the resistance has indeed

suffered

a decisive blow or whether gunmen and bombers are merely lying low while
the heat is on and are planning to regroup. An incursion Saturday into

the

southern city of Karbala was one of the most brazen and well-coordinated
yet; seven U.S. allies were killed.

Many Iraqis, in contrast with U.S.-led occupation authorities, have
predicted the resistance will persist and intensify, and nowhere is that
sentiment stronger than in Fallouja, a Sunni bastion and center of
guerrilla activity.

"The motto of everyone here, young or old, is that we will not let any
occupier, criminal or thief take over this land," said Fakhir Khalifa, a
prominent Fallouja businessman. "In these times, women are telling their
children to become martyrs for Islam. Even at school, children are being
told that the occupiers must be kicked out."

U.S. authorities have suggested that the arrest of Hussein might dry up

the

money that finances guerrilla operations. Large stashes of cash -

hundreds

of thousands of dollars - have been seized in U.S. Army raids.

Khalifa said the fighters, whom people in Fallouja refer to as

moujahedeen,

have numerous means of financial and logistical support - including their
tribal ties, donations collected at mosques, supplies from farmers and
money from businessmen.

"People will sell their furniture to sponsor the resistance," Khalifa

said.


Local police, too, remain reluctant to challenge the insurgents, many of
whom are relatives. Capt. Ahmed Suleiman, who runs a police station in
suburban Fallouja, said every time U.S. forces ask his men to join in a
search for guerrillas, he must politely decline.

"We tell them, no, we can't do that," Suleiman said. "The moujahedeen

would

say we are collaborators. You work with the Americans, you die."

The insurgency, which by most accounts is organized in cells across

central

Iraq and in Baghdad with only a minimal centralized command structure,
remains a shadowy force.

Interviews with a handful of members in the last several months have
suggested that the resistance has evolved from a movement to restore
Hussein to power to a broader battle with multiple motives, including
hatred of the Americans, resentment over foreign occupation, disillusion
with the slow pace of recovery, and fear of losing status amid the rise

of

other, long-oppressed Iraqi factions such as the Shiites and the Kurds.

Some of the insurgency has also taken on a heavily religious tone thanks

to

the influence of a fundamentalist strain of Sunni Islam that gained
strength in the political vacuum following the fall of Hussein's regime.

Hussein was irrelevant to these Islam-inspired fighters and to a small
number of foreign jihadis who have infiltrated into Iraq from Syria and
elsewhere. They can be expected to continue their resistance with or
without the former Iraqi president's influence.

The insurgents have accounted for the deaths of more than 200 U.S.

soldiers

since President Bush declared the end of major combat activities May 1.

Even in Fallouja's more well-to-do, middle-class neighborhoods, support

for

the resistance is fed by resentment of the American-led military

operations

- frustrating roadblocks, intrusive raids on homes and persistent buzzing
of the town by fighter jets.

Hassen Fadawi, 47, a man of patrician bearing who owns an auto dealership
in Fallouja, said he does not encourage any of his five sons to take up
arms against the Americans because the Iraqis would always be outgunned.
Fadawi's two-story house came under what everyone in the neighborhood
described as a barrage of U.S. tank fire one day last week after

insurgents

attacked a train carrying supplies to a U.S. military base.

The Fadawi residence faces the main Fallouja train station, and the
crippled carriage came to a stop just short of the station. As soldiers
tried to recover goods from the wreckage, Iraqi gunmen opened fire with
assault rifles from the street alongside the Fadawi house - according to

a

witness' account - and the Americans retaliated.
At least four shells appeared to have slammed into the Fadawi home,
punching large holes into the wall of an upstairs bedroom and a wall

around

the roof terrace. No one was hurt, but the attack ignited a fire that
destroyed the family's new refrigerator and deep freeze.

Fadawi's wife, who was at home at the time of the attack with their
children, was terrified. She would be happy, she said, if one of her sons
decided to join the moujahedeen.
"Because of what I have witnessed, I would tell him to go!" Lamiaa Fadawi
said. "At least instead of being killed [by random fire], he would die in
the battlefield. That would be better."

"We tell our children to be patient," added her husband. "But our hatred
for the Americans is getting bigger and bigger."
One son, Hani, 20, sat quietly between his parents. "If it weren't for

the

resistance, the Americans would really be out of control," he said. "The
moujahedeen are heroes."


.

User: "Steven Douglas"

Title: Re: Bu$h Has Created an Entire Generation of Enemies. 09 Jan 2004 12:17:46 AM
(Mark Tyme) wrote:

Funny you don't seem to care about what's happening in the Congo,

Who said I don't care?

millions killed, mass rapes, torture, cannibalism, terror. Not
one word out of the US. Not one word.

The U.S. has tried getting involved in Africa, only to have the people
we were trying to help turn on us.

I've been in Sudan. And both sides there are being used in a
proxy war, like the poor always end up being used.

Too bad that Arab Islamic militants are so intolerant of other faiths
in their midst.

Violence is as American as apple pie.


So 2 million Black African Christians have been killed by the Arab
Islamic militants, and it's all America's fault. That's the logic of a
stunted intellect. Grow up.
.
User: "Mark Tyme"

Title: Re: Bu$h Has Created an Entire Generation of Enemies. 09 Jan 2004 12:24:05 AM
On 8 Jan 2004 22:17:46 -0800,
(Steven Douglas)
wrote:

MarkTyme@ix.netcom.com (Mark Tyme) wrote:

Funny you don't seem to care about what's happening in the Congo,


Who said I don't care?

millions killed, mass rapes, torture, cannibalism, terror. Not
one word out of the US. Not one word.


The U.S. has tried getting involved in Africa, only to have the people
we were trying to help turn on us.

I've been in Sudan. And both sides there are being used in a
proxy war, like the poor always end up being used.


Too bad that Arab Islamic militants are so intolerant of other faiths
in their midst.

Violence is as American as apple pie.


So 2 million Black African Christians have been killed by the Arab
Islamic militants, and it's all America's fault. That's the logic of a
stunted intellect. Grow up.

You grow up. Your country has chosen to turn it's back on the
Christian Sudanese
1. To not ***** of the Saudis
2. Because Sudan has no oil
.


User: "Steven Douglas"

Title: Re: Bu$h Has Created an Entire Generation of Enemies. 09 Jan 2004 12:54:38 AM
(Mark Tyme) wrote:

Your country has chosen to turn it's back on the Christian Sudanese

Oh, first the west is to blame for arming the Christians -- but now
it's to blame for turning its back on the Christians. Make up your
mind.
.
User: "Mark Tyme"

Title: Re: Bu$h Has Created an Entire Generation of Enemies. 09 Jan 2004 01:00:36 AM
On 8 Jan 2004 22:54:38 -0800,
(Steven Douglas)
wrote:

MarkTyme@ix.netcom.com (Mark Tyme) wrote:

Your country has chosen to turn it's back on the Christian Sudanese


Oh, first the west is to blame for arming the Christians -- but now
it's to blame for turning its back on the Christians. Make up your
mind.

First armed them, then you turned your back on them.
Same thing you did to the Shiites in Iraq following the
Gulf War. Threw them to the wolves, and you're the
ones that put the wolf there in the first place via
a CIA coup.
America is famous for arming some ethnic minorities to
stir up trouble, then abandons them later
.
User: "Steven Douglas"

Title: Re: Bu$h Has Created an Entire Generation of Enemies. 09 Jan 2004 03:25:08 PM
Mark Tyme <MarkTyme@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:<o9ksvvs677fg7iqm6u2arjcl3snd33v4o7@4ax.com>...


America is famous for arming some ethnic minorities to
stir up trouble, then abandons them later

America is famous for going to war in Kosovo to STOP the slaughter of Muslims.
.



User: "Steven Douglas"

Title: Re: Bu$h Has Created an Entire Generation of Enemies. 08 Jan 2004 09:40:04 PM
Mark Tyme <MarkTyme@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:<554rvvok9p7riit68vboi8q8013j5sghth@4ax.com>...


Most of the Muslim wolrd is a ghetto, and the honkies > > been fuckin with them for too long.

So explain Sudan -- a brutal Islamic government is conducting
genocide, and the victims are Christian Africans.

All it takes is another massacre of civilians somewhere > in the Mid-East, another round of Israeli attrocities > > (like when they killed 25,000 innocent civlians in > > Beirut in 1982). 2

2 million Africans massacred by an Islamic government, and it has
absolutely NOTHING to do with Israel or the U.S.
.
User: "Mark Tyme"

Title: Re: Bu$h Has Created an Entire Generation of Enemies. 08 Jan 2004 09:56:36 PM
On 8 Jan 2004 19:40:04 -0800,
(Steven Douglas)
wrote:

Mark Tyme <MarkTyme@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:<554rvvok9p7riit68vboi8q8013j5sghth@4ax.com>...


Most of the Muslim wolrd is a ghetto, and the honkies > > been fuckin with them for too long.


So explain Sudan -- a brutal Islamic government is conducting
genocide, and the victims are Christian Africans.

All it takes is another massacre of civilians somewhere > in the Mid-East, another round of Israeli attrocities > > (like when they killed 25,000 innocent civlians in > > Beirut in 1982). 2


2 million Africans massacred by an Islamic government, and it has
absolutely NOTHING to do with Israel or the U.S.

The two religious groups happened to be divided along tribal lines,
and the religion is incidental.
if one had been jewish and the other buddhist, would have been
the same thing.
African is a continent of ancient tribal conflicts and rivalries,
not ideologies.
.


User: "Mark Tyme"

Title: Re: Bu$h Has Created an Entire Generation of Enemies. 08 Jan 2004 11:24:00 AM
On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 17:04:27 +0000,

wrote:


Another generation of Iraqi rebels is already here to replace the ones Bu$h
may have captured or killed.

Is Amerika also ready to commit its children to this unnecessary war that was
started over lies?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
".........Is Amerika also ready to commit its children to this unnecessary war that was
started over lies?........."

The head of the Arab League, a moderate leader, said that if the US
were to invade Iraq, it would open up the gates of Hell.
I think that after so many years of oppression and maltreatment, that
the Arabs, as well as other Muslims, have shown remarkable restraint.
Most of the Muslim wolrd is a ghetto, and the honkies been fuckin with
them for too long. All it takes is another massacre of civilians
somewhere in the Mid-East, another round of Israeli attrocities (like
when they killed 25,000 innocent civlians in Beirut in 1982). Then
the NeonCon wetdream will be over.


Let's re-phrase that.

The Bush Administration is ready and willing to commit American working-class children
to an unnecessary war that was started over lies.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The worst part about this all is that they did not feel this way before. It
is Bu$h's invasion that has now created a whole new generation of enemies.

Why? Because Halliburton and the military contractors need an excuse to
steal your tax $$$! Because criminals like Bu$h need an enemy to justify
their Imperialism and crimes. Yes, THAT is the Truth, and even the most
ignorant, brainwashed, and foolish of you will come to realize it
eventually. Hopefully it will be before these bloodthirsty crooks force a
genuine WMD against a U$ city...

In Sunni Bastion, They Are Ready for a Fight
Even with Hussein in custody, anti-American sentiment fuels Iraqi
midsection's insurgency.
by Tracy Wilkinson
Los Angeles Times

FALLOUJA, Iraq — The boys at the Arabian Gulf Elementary School knew what
they were supposed to say when a visitor asked about the American soldiers
occupying Iraq. With their teachers looking on approvingly, they waved
their hands in excitement and jumped to their feet when called upon.

"Since the Americans arrived we have only had problems," declared 12-year-
old Mahmoud Ali, a rail-thin child with buckteeth. "We must resist them!"

"We must force them to leave, with bombs, with explosives. They will not
listen to words," proclaimed curly-headed Mustafa Saleh, 13.

"I am ready to fight them now!" said Jasem Faisal, 12, and barely as tall
as the rifle he seemed eager to have at hand.
Saddam Hussein may be behind bars, but the anti-American sentiment that
feeds a tenacious armed insurgency lives on — unfettered and growing. In
especially hostile towns like Fallouja, indoctrination at school is
reinforced by the tight network of families and clans that governs rural
Iraqi society.

U.S. authorities believed that Hussein's arrest would staunch the flow of
money to guerrillas, rob them of their inspiration and blunt the
insurgency.

Violence escalated immediately after his capture and has continued during
the Christmas holidays, with more than a dozen U.S. troops killed by
hostile fire in the 17 days since Hussein was pulled from his underground
hide-out. But overall, military officials say, the number of attacks on
American forces have dropped significantly compared with the 50-a-day pace
of mid-September.

Hundreds of people have been rounded up in the Sunni-dominated midsection
of Iraq in operations with names like "Iron Grip" and "Rifles Fury." Some
of the arrests were made as a result of intelligence gleaned from documents
seized along with the deposed, and now jailed, former dictator.

But it remains too early to know whether the resistance has indeed suffered
a decisive blow or whether gunmen and bombers are merely lying low while
the heat is on and are planning to regroup. An incursion Saturday into the
southern city of Karbala was one of the most brazen and well-coordinated
yet; seven U.S. allies were killed.

Many Iraqis, in contrast with U.S.-led occupation authorities, have
predicted the resistance will persist and intensify, and nowhere is that
sentiment stronger than in Fallouja, a Sunni bastion and center of
guerrilla activity.

"The motto of everyone here, young or old, is that we will not let any
occupier, criminal or thief take over this land," said Fakhir Khalifa, a
prominent Fallouja businessman. "In these times, women are telling their
children to become martyrs for Islam. Even at school, children are being
told that the occupiers must be kicked out."

U.S. authorities have suggested that the arrest of Hussein might dry up the
money that finances guerrilla operations. Large stashes of cash — hundreds
of thousands of dollars — have been seized in U.S. Army raids.

Khalifa said the fighters, whom people in Fallouja refer to as moujahedeen,
have numerous means of financial and logistical support — including their
tribal ties, donations collected at mosques, supplies from farmers and
money from businessmen.

"People will sell their furniture to sponsor the resistance," Khalifa said.

Local police, too, remain reluctant to challenge the insurgents, many of
whom are relatives. Capt. Ahmed Suleiman, who runs a police station in
suburban Fallouja, said every time U.S. forces ask his men to join in a
search for guerrillas, he must politely decline.

"We tell them, no, we can't do that," Suleiman said. "The moujahedeen would
say we are collaborators. You work with the Americans, you die."

The insurgency, which by most accounts is organized in cells across central
Iraq and in Baghdad with only a minimal centralized command structure,
remains a shadowy force.

Interviews with a handful of members in the last several months have
suggested that the resistance has evolved from a movement to restore
Hussein to power to a broader battle with multiple motives, including
hatred of the Americans, resentment over foreign occupation, disillusion
with the slow pace of recovery, and fear of losing status amid the rise of
other, long-oppressed Iraqi factions such as the Shiites and the Kurds.

Some of the insurgency has also taken on a heavily religious tone thanks to
the influence of a fundamentalist strain of Sunni Islam that gained
strength in the political vacuum following the fall of Hussein's regime.

Hussein was irrelevant to these Islam-inspired fighters and to a small
number of foreign jihadis who have infiltrated into Iraq from Syria and
elsewhere. They can be expected to continue their resistance with or
without the former Iraqi president's influence.

The insurgents have accounted for the deaths of more than 200 U.S. soldiers
since President Bush declared the end of major combat activities May 1.

Even in Fallouja's more well-to-do, middle-class neighborhoods, support for
the resistance is fed by resentment of the American-led military operations
— frustrating roadblocks, intrusive raids on homes and persistent buzzing
of the town by fighter jets.

Hassen Fadawi, 47, a man of patrician bearing who owns an auto dealership
in Fallouja, said he does not encourage any of his five sons to take up
arms against the Americans because the Iraqis would always be outgunned.
Fadawi's two-story house came under what everyone in the neighborhood
described as a barrage of U.S. tank fire one day last week after insurgents
attacked a train carrying supplies to a U.S. military base.

The Fadawi residence faces the main Fallouja train station, and the
crippled carriage came to a stop just short of the station. As soldiers
tried to recover goods from the wreckage, Iraqi gunmen opened fire with
assault rifles from the street alongside the Fadawi house — according to a
witness' account — and the Americans retaliated.
At least four shells appeared to have slammed into the Fadawi home,
punching large holes into the wall of an upstairs bedroom and a wall around
the roof terrace. No one was hurt, but the attack ignited a fire that
destroyed the family's new refrigerator and deep freeze.

Fadawi's wife, who was at home at the time of the attack with their
children, was terrified. She would be happy, she said, if one of her sons
decided to join the moujahedeen.
"Because of what I have witnessed, I would tell him to go!" Lamiaa Fadawi
said. "At least instead of being killed [by random fire], he would die in
the battlefield. That would be better."

"We tell our children to be patient," added her husband. "But our hatred
for the Americans is getting bigger and bigger."
One son, Hani, 20, sat quietly between his parents. "If it weren't for the
resistance, the Americans would really be out of control," he said. "The
moujahedeen are heroes."

.
User: "Steven Douglas"

Title: Re: Bu$h Has Created an Entire Generation of Enemies. 08 Jan 2004 10:40:47 PM
(Mark Tyme) wrote:

The two religious groups happened to be divided along tribal lines,
and the religion is incidental.

That's weak -- 2 million *Black* Africans killed by an *Arab* Islamic
government, and you just shrug it off.

if one had been jewish and the other buddhist, would have been the
same thing.

No, if one had been Jewish, you'd be all over it. Once again, you're a
simple hypocrite. This massacre, by Islamic militants, is the largest
single genocide in my lifetime. I can't understand why there isn't
more outrage from people like you, who can't stand the fact that a
tiny country exists in the midst of the Arab Islamic World.

African is a continent of ancient tribal conflicts and rivalries,
not ideologies.

This one IS about ideologies -- Islamic militants wiping out
Christians -- and that's the fact, whether you want to admit it or
not.
.
User: "Mark Tyme"

Title: Re: Bu$h Has Created an Entire Generation of Enemies. 08 Jan 2004 11:36:53 PM
On 8 Jan 2004 20:40:47 -0800,
(Steven Douglas)
wrote:

MarkTyme@ix.netcom.com (Mark Tyme) wrote:

The two religious groups happened to be divided along tribal lines,
and the religion is incidental.


That's weak -- 2 million *Black* Africans killed by an *Arab* Islamic
government, and you just shrug it off.

if one had been jewish and the other buddhist, would have been the
same thing.


No, if one had been Jewish, you'd be all over it. Once again, you're a
simple hypocrite. This massacre, by Islamic militants, is the largest
single genocide in my lifetime. I can't understand why there isn't
more outrage from people like you, who can't stand the fact that a
tiny country exists in the midst of the Arab Islamic World.

Funny you don't seem to care about what's happening in the Congo,
millions killed, mass rapes, torture, cannibalism, terror. Not one
word out of the US. Not one word.
I've been in Sudan. And both sides there are being used in a proxy
war, like the poor always end up being used.
West is arming the "Christains" and the Saudis (America's
best friend int he Arab world) are arming the Muslims.
The war continues, because someone is benefitting from it,
like selling whiskey to the Indians, giving them anthrax and
smallpox infested blankets, and taking their land when they're
dead.
Violence is as American as apple pie.


African is a continent of ancient tribal conflicts and rivalries,
not ideologies.


This one IS about ideologies -- Islamic militants wiping out
Christians -- and that's the fact, whether you want to admit it or
not.

.


User: "Steven Douglas"

Title: Re: Bu$h Has Created an Entire Generation of Enemies. 08 Jan 2004 08:54:40 PM
Mark Tyme <MarkTyme@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:<554rvvok9p7riit68vboi8q8013j5sghth@4ax.com>...


Most of the Muslim wolrd is a ghetto, and the honkies been fuckin with
them for too long.

So explain Sudan -- a brutal Islamic government is conducting
genocide, and the victims are Christian Africans.

All it takes is another massacre of civilians somewhere in
the Mid-East, another round of Israeli attrocities (like when
they killed 25,000 innocent civlians in Beirut in 1982).

2 million Africans massacred by an Islamic government, and it has
absolutely NOTHING to do with Israel or the U.S.
.
User: "Mark Tyme"

Title: Re: Bu$h Has Created an Entire Generation of Enemies. 08 Jan 2004 09:53:35 PM
On 8 Jan 2004 18:54:40 -0800,
(Steven Douglas)
wrote:

Mark Tyme <MarkTyme@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:<554rvvok9p7riit68vboi8q8013j5sghth@4ax.com>...


Most of the Muslim wolrd is a ghetto, and the honkies been fuckin with
them for too long.


So explain Sudan -- a brutal Islamic government is conducting
genocide, and the victims are Christian Africans.

All it takes is another massacre of civilians somewhere in
the Mid-East, another round of Israeli attrocities (like when
they killed 25,000 innocent civlians in Beirut in 1982).


2 million Africans massacred by an Islamic government, and it has
absolutely NOTHING to do with Israel or the U.S.

Its not about religion. The two belong to different tribal groups.
.


User: "Anon Ymous"

Title: Re: Bu$h Has Created an Entire Generation of Enemies. 08 Jan 2004 07:09:53 PM
Mark Tyme <MarkTyme@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:<554rvvok9p7riit68vboi8q8013j5sghth@4ax.com>...

On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 17:04:27 +0000,


wrote:


Another generation of Iraqi rebels is already here to replace the ones Bu$h
may have captured or killed.

Is Amerika also ready to commit its children to this unnecessary war that was
started over lies?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
".........Is Amerika also ready to commit its children to this unnecessary war that was
started over lies?........."

The head of the Arab League, a moderate leader, said that if the US
were to invade Iraq, it would open up the gates of Hell.

Baghdad Bob made some other funny statements.

I think that after so many years of oppression and maltreatment, that
the Arabs, as well as other Muslims, have shown remarkable restraint.

They have a secret. They take their frustrations out by beating their wives.
S~
.
User: "Mark Tyme"

Title: Re: Bu$h Has Created an Entire Generation of Enemies. 08 Jan 2004 07:25:05 PM
On 8 Jan 2004 17:09:53 -0800,
(Anon Ymous)
wrote:

Mark Tyme <MarkTyme@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:<554rvvok9p7riit68vboi8q8013j5sghth@4ax.com>...

On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 17:04:27 +0000,


wrote:


Another generation of Iraqi rebels is already here to replace the ones Bu$h
may have captured or killed.

Is Amerika also ready to commit its children to this unnecessary war that was
started over lies?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
".........Is Amerika also ready to commit its children to this unnecessary war that was
started over lies?........."


The head of the Arab League, a moderate leader, said that if the US
were to invade Iraq, it would open up the gates of Hell.


Baghdad Bob made some other funny statements.

I think that after so many years of oppression and maltreatment, that
the Arabs, as well as other Muslims, have shown remarkable restraint.


They have a secret. They take their frustrations out by beating their wives.

S~

Not really. Look at your statistics for the US. Domestic violence is
an epidemic. Thousands of women are beaten to death every
year.
.


User: "Steven Douglas"

Title: Re: Bu$h Has Created an Entire Generation of Enemies. 08 Jan 2004 09:11:19 PM
Mark Tyme <MarkTyme@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:<554rvvok9p7riit68vboi8q8013j5sghth@4ax.com>...


Most of the Muslim wolrd is a ghetto, and the honkies > been fuckin with them for too long.

So explain Sudan -- a brutal Islamic government is conducting
genocide, and the victims are Christian Africans.

All it takes is another massacre of civilians somewhere > in the Mid-East, another round of Israeli attrocities > (like when they killed 25,000 innocent civlians in > Beirut in 1982).

2 million Africans massacred by an Islamic government, and it has
absolutely NOTHING to do with Israel or the U.S.
.



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