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Science > Prophecies-Of-Nostradamus |
| User: |
"Steven Douglas" |
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29 Oct 2006 10:45:54 PM |
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Re: Bush approves 1000 kilometers of fence on Mexico border |
mukyuk wrote:
And while you're working on that one, why don't you preach to me
exactly *which* of the more fundamental of God's laws you presume
I have violated.
The most fundamental being, "Love thy neighbour as thyself"......
You see, I do love my neighbor -- I am concerned about the conditions
in which members of the growing new underclass are being forced to
live. Apparently you think people living in crowded, squalid conditions
(because their wages are so low) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently
you think employers paying low wages (because there is such an
overabundance of cheap labor) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently you
think over crowded hospital emergency rooms (because most undocumented
workers don't have health insurance, and must rely on emergency rooms
for health care) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently you think
emergency rooms being forced to close because they're going broke
taking care of so many uninsured people (which leaves everyone in the
neighborhood without a nearby emergency room) is a good thing. I don't.
So before you go judging me and my motives, maybe you should take a
look at what you support and why you support it.
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| User: "mukyuk" |
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| Title: Re: Bush approves 1000 kilometers of fence on Mexico border |
30 Oct 2006 12:48:45 AM |
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"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162183554.121964.66060@e64g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
mukyuk wrote:
And while you're working on that one, why don't you preach to me
exactly *which* of the more fundamental of God's laws you presume
I have violated.
The most fundamental being, "Love thy neighbour as thyself"......
You see, I do love my neighbor --
As yourself though?
I am concerned about the conditions
in which members of the growing new underclass are being forced to
live. Apparently you think people living in crowded, squalid conditions
(because their wages are so low) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently
you think employers paying low wages (because there is such an
overabundance of cheap labor) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently you
think over crowded hospital emergency rooms (because most undocumented
workers don't have health insurance, and must rely on emergency rooms
for health care) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently you think
emergency rooms being forced to close because they're going broke
taking care of so many uninsured people (which leaves everyone in the
neighborhood without a nearby emergency room) is a good thing. I don't.
So before you go judging me and my motives, maybe you should take a
look at what you support and why you support it.
.
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: Bush approves 1000 kilometers of fence on Mexico border |
30 Oct 2006 07:15:50 AM |
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mukyuk wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162183554.121964.66060@e64g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
mukyuk wrote:
And while you're working on that one, why don't you preach to me
exactly *which* of the more fundamental of God's laws you presume
I have violated.
The most fundamental being, "Love thy neighbour as thyself"......
You see, I do love my neighbor --
As yourself though?
I seem to be more concerned about the conditions in which the growing
new underclass are living than you are. Since you ignored my point
below, I will assume you're like the Democrats in the US who love the
idea of a brand new underclass of people dependent on social programs.
Apparently you think people living in crowded, squalid conditions
(because their wages are so low) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently
you think employers paying low wages (because there is such an
overabundance of cheap labor) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently you
think over crowded hospital emergency rooms (because most undocumented
workers don't have health insurance, and must rely on emergency rooms
for health care) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently you think
emergency rooms being forced to close because they're going broke
taking care of so many uninsured people (which leaves everyone in the
neighborhood without a nearby emergency room) is a good thing. I don't.
Care to respond to those points this time? Before you go judging me and
my motives, maybe you should take a look at what you support and why
you support it.
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| User: "mukyuk" |
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| Title: Re: Bush approves 1000 kilometers of fence on Mexico border |
30 Oct 2006 10:26:41 AM |
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"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162214150.395900.160430@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
mukyuk wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162183554.121964.66060@e64g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
mukyuk wrote:
And while you're working on that one, why don't you preach to me
exactly *which* of the more fundamental of God's laws you presume
I have violated.
The most fundamental being, "Love thy neighbour as thyself"......
You see, I do love my neighbor --
As yourself though?
I seem to be more concerned about the conditions in which the growing
new underclass are living than you are. Since you ignored my point
below, I will assume you're like the Democrats in the US who love the
idea of a brand new underclass of people dependent on social programs.
Apparently you think people living in crowded, squalid conditions
(because their wages are so low) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently
you think employers paying low wages (because there is such an
overabundance of cheap labor) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently you
think over crowded hospital emergency rooms (because most undocumented
workers don't have health insurance, and must rely on emergency rooms
for health care) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently you think
emergency rooms being forced to close because they're going broke
taking care of so many uninsured people (which leaves everyone in the
neighborhood without a nearby emergency room) is a good thing. I don't.
Care to respond to those points this time? Before you go judging me and
my motives, maybe you should take a look at what you support and why
you support it.
All these conditions are bad, but it's worse in Mexico....!!! If Americans
weren't spounging everything from Mexico (like they are spounging everything
from everyone else in the world), there would not be this problem. What's
wrong with social programs anyhow? Certainly the richest country in the
world can afford it, after all the can afford expensive wars all over the
world, can't they?
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: Bush approves 1000 kilometers of fence on Mexico border |
30 Oct 2006 08:54:13 PM |
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mukyuk wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162214150.395900.160430@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
mukyuk wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162183554.121964.66060@e64g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
mukyuk wrote:
And while you're working on that one, why don't you preach to me
exactly *which* of the more fundamental of God's laws you presume
I have violated.
The most fundamental being, "Love thy neighbour as thyself"......
You see, I do love my neighbor --
As yourself though?
I seem to be more concerned about the conditions in which the growing
new underclass are living than you are. Since you ignored my point
below, I will assume you're like the Democrats in the US who love the
idea of a brand new underclass of people dependent on social programs.
Apparently you think people living in crowded, squalid conditions
(because their wages are so low) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently
you think employers paying low wages (because there is such an
overabundance of cheap labor) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently you
think over crowded hospital emergency rooms (because most undocumented
workers don't have health insurance, and must rely on emergency rooms
for health care) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently you think
emergency rooms being forced to close because they're going broke
taking care of so many uninsured people (which leaves everyone in the
neighborhood without a nearby emergency room) is a good thing. I don't.
Care to respond to those points this time? Before you go judging me and
my motives, maybe you should take a look at what you support and why
you support it.
All these conditions are bad, but it's worse in Mexico....!!!
Yes, I agree the situation in Mexico needs to improve. The government
of Mexico should be taking steps to improve conditions in their
country. Instead, there is massive institutional corruption that has
caused Mexico to flounder.
If Americans
weren't spounging everything from Mexico (like they are spounging everything
from everyone else in the world), there would not be this problem.
In 2005, Mexico had a $50 billion trade surplus with the United States.
In addition to that, Mexicans who work in the United States sent
another $24 billion to their families back home in Mexico. Yet the
government of Mexico (and all that corruption) keeps Mexico in the
condition you mentioned above. Shouldn't we be encouraging the
government of Mexico to solve its problems for its people? Instead,
people like you encourage the goverment of Mexico to export its
problems. And all that does is cause a new emerging underclass of low
paid workers who are exploited by the big corporations. You like that?
You endorse that?
What's wrong with social programs anyhow?
I see, you DO endorse the creation of a new underclass who cannot
survive on their own without help from the government. Why would you
wish that on anyone? What's wrong with you?
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| User: "mukyuk" |
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| Title: Re: Bush approves 1000 kilometers of fence on Mexico border |
30 Oct 2006 09:12:32 PM |
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"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162263253.715679.110900@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
mukyuk wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162214150.395900.160430@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
mukyuk wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162183554.121964.66060@e64g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
mukyuk wrote:
And while you're working on that one, why don't you preach to me
exactly *which* of the more fundamental of God's laws you
presume
I have violated.
The most fundamental being, "Love thy neighbour as thyself"......
You see, I do love my neighbor --
As yourself though?
I seem to be more concerned about the conditions in which the growing
new underclass are living than you are. Since you ignored my point
below, I will assume you're like the Democrats in the US who love the
idea of a brand new underclass of people dependent on social programs.
Apparently you think people living in crowded, squalid conditions
(because their wages are so low) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently
you think employers paying low wages (because there is such an
overabundance of cheap labor) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently you
think over crowded hospital emergency rooms (because most undocumented
workers don't have health insurance, and must rely on emergency rooms
for health care) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently you think
emergency rooms being forced to close because they're going broke
taking care of so many uninsured people (which leaves everyone in the
neighborhood without a nearby emergency room) is a good thing. I don't.
Care to respond to those points this time? Before you go judging me and
my motives, maybe you should take a look at what you support and why
you support it.
All these conditions are bad, but it's worse in Mexico....!!!
Yes, I agree the situation in Mexico needs to improve. The government
of Mexico should be taking steps to improve conditions in their
country. Instead, there is massive institutional corruption that has
caused Mexico to flounder.
If Americans
weren't spounging everything from Mexico (like they are spounging
everything
from everyone else in the world), there would not be this problem.
In 2005, Mexico had a $50 billion trade surplus with the United States.
In addition to that, Mexicans who work in the United States sent
another $24 billion to their families back home in Mexico. Yet the
government of Mexico (and all that corruption) keeps Mexico in the
condition you mentioned above. Shouldn't we be encouraging the
government of Mexico to solve its problems for its people? Instead,
people like you encourage the goverment of Mexico to export its
problems. And all that does is cause a new emerging underclass of low
paid workers who are exploited by the big corporations. You like that?
You endorse that?
What's wrong with social programs anyhow?
I see, you DO endorse the creation of a new underclass who cannot
survive on their own without help from the government. Why would you
wish that on anyone? What's wrong with you?
You would prefer that they '***** and die'..... would you not?
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: Bush approves 1000 kilometers of fence on Mexico border |
30 Oct 2006 09:15:45 PM |
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mukyuk wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162263253.715679.110900@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
mukyuk wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162214150.395900.160430@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
mukyuk wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162183554.121964.66060@e64g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
mukyuk wrote:
And while you're working on that one, why don't you preach to me
exactly *which* of the more fundamental of God's laws you
presume
I have violated.
The most fundamental being, "Love thy neighbour as thyself"......
You see, I do love my neighbor --
As yourself though?
I seem to be more concerned about the conditions in which the growing
new underclass are living than you are. Since you ignored my point
below, I will assume you're like the Democrats in the US who love the
idea of a brand new underclass of people dependent on social programs.
Apparently you think people living in crowded, squalid conditions
(because their wages are so low) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently
you think employers paying low wages (because there is such an
overabundance of cheap labor) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently you
think over crowded hospital emergency rooms (because most undocumented
workers don't have health insurance, and must rely on emergency rooms
for health care) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently you think
emergency rooms being forced to close because they're going broke
taking care of so many uninsured people (which leaves everyone in the
neighborhood without a nearby emergency room) is a good thing. I don't.
Care to respond to those points this time? Before you go judging me and
my motives, maybe you should take a look at what you support and why
you support it.
All these conditions are bad, but it's worse in Mexico....!!!
Yes, I agree the situation in Mexico needs to improve. The government
of Mexico should be taking steps to improve conditions in their
country. Instead, there is massive institutional corruption that has
caused Mexico to flounder.
If Americans
weren't spounging everything from Mexico (like they are spounging
everything
from everyone else in the world), there would not be this problem.
In 2005, Mexico had a $50 billion trade surplus with the United States.
In addition to that, Mexicans who work in the United States sent
another $24 billion to their families back home in Mexico. Yet the
government of Mexico (and all that corruption) keeps Mexico in the
condition you mentioned above. Shouldn't we be encouraging the
government of Mexico to solve its problems for its people? Instead,
people like you encourage the goverment of Mexico to export its
problems. And all that does is cause a new emerging underclass of low
paid workers who are exploited by the big corporations. You like that?
You endorse that?
What's wrong with social programs anyhow?
I see, you DO endorse the creation of a new underclass who cannot
survive on their own without help from the government. Why would you
wish that on anyone? What's wrong with you?
You would prefer that they '***** and die'..... would you not?
I would not.
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| User: "WH" |
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| Title: Re: Bush approves 1000 kilometers of fence on Mexico border |
02 Nov 2006 05:09:27 AM |
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Steven Douglas skrev:
mukyuk wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162214150.395900.160430@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
mukyuk wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162183554.121964.66060@e64g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
mukyuk wrote:
And while you're working on that one, why don't you preach to me
exactly *which* of the more fundamental of God's laws you presume
I have violated.
The most fundamental being, "Love thy neighbour as thyself"......
You see, I do love my neighbor --
As yourself though?
I seem to be more concerned about the conditions in which the growing
new underclass are living than you are. Since you ignored my point
below, I will assume you're like the Democrats in the US who love the
idea of a brand new underclass of people dependent on social programs.
Apparently you think people living in crowded, squalid conditions
(because their wages are so low) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently
you think employers paying low wages (because there is such an
overabundance of cheap labor) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently you
think over crowded hospital emergency rooms (because most undocumented
workers don't have health insurance, and must rely on emergency rooms
for health care) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently you think
emergency rooms being forced to close because they're going broke
taking care of so many uninsured people (which leaves everyone in the
neighborhood without a nearby emergency room) is a good thing. I don't.
Care to respond to those points this time? Before you go judging me and
my motives, maybe you should take a look at what you support and why
you support it.
All these conditions are bad, but it's worse in Mexico....!!!
Yes, I agree the situation in Mexico needs to improve. The government
of Mexico should be taking steps to improve conditions in their
country. Instead, there is massive institutional corruption that has
caused Mexico to flounder.
If Americans
weren't spounging everything from Mexico (like they are spounging everything
from everyone else in the world), there would not be this problem.
In 2005, Mexico had a $50 billion trade surplus with the United States.
In addition to that, Mexicans who work in the United States sent
another $24 billion to their families back home in Mexico. Yet the
government of Mexico (and all that corruption) keeps Mexico in the
condition you mentioned above. Shouldn't we be encouraging the
government of Mexico to solve its problems for its people? Instead,
people like you encourage the goverment of Mexico to export its
problems. And all that does is cause a new emerging underclass of low
paid workers who are exploited by the big corporations. You like that?
You endorse that?
What's wrong with social programs anyhow?
I see, you DO endorse the creation of a new underclass who cannot
survive on their own without help from the government. Why would you
wish that on anyone? What's wrong with you?
We want to see the day that you yanks have Spanish as your first
language douglas.
Una cerveza por favor!
WH
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| User: "Charly the Bastard" |
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| Title: Re: Bush approves 1000 kilometers of fence on Mexico border |
30 Oct 2006 05:52:59 PM |
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mukyuk wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162214150.395900.160430@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
mukyuk wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162183554.121964.66060@e64g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
mukyuk wrote:
And while you're working on that one, why don't you preach to me
exactly *which* of the more fundamental of God's laws you presume
I have violated.
The most fundamental being, "Love thy neighbour as thyself"......
You see, I do love my neighbor --
As yourself though?
I seem to be more concerned about the conditions in which the growing
new underclass are living than you are. Since you ignored my point
below, I will assume you're like the Democrats in the US who love the
idea of a brand new underclass of people dependent on social programs.
Apparently you think people living in crowded, squalid conditions
(because their wages are so low) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently
you think employers paying low wages (because there is such an
overabundance of cheap labor) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently you
think over crowded hospital emergency rooms (because most undocumented
workers don't have health insurance, and must rely on emergency rooms
for health care) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently you think
emergency rooms being forced to close because they're going broke
taking care of so many uninsured people (which leaves everyone in the
neighborhood without a nearby emergency room) is a good thing. I don't.
Care to respond to those points this time? Before you go judging me and
my motives, maybe you should take a look at what you support and why
you support it.
All these conditions are bad, but it's worse in Mexico....!!! If Americans
weren't spounging everything from Mexico (like they are spounging everything
from everyone else in the world), there would not be this problem. What's
wrong with social programs anyhow? Certainly the richest country in the
world can afford it, after all the can afford expensive wars all over the
world, can't they?
Let's look at some other countries and their 'social programs'. Sweden is
officially neutral. They don't get involved in wars. They have cradle to grave
medical for every citizen. They pay roughly 50% of their income in taxes to
support this system. Currently, our highest tax bracket is 35% and that covers
not only medical but a host of other programs including those expensive wars in
every corner of the world. No one is turned away from a hospital because they
can't afford treatment; Federal Law. As to the US being the 'richest country in
the world', we have a 9 trillion dollar debt. That's nine million million
dollars. $9,000,000,000,000. This is money we owe, to damn near everyone on
earth. The only reason that everyone has extended US credit is that we have the
strongest economy on earth, but that's changing. China is rapidly outpacing us,
on the backs of slave wage labor. Just how long do you think you'd survive on
$8.00 a week, which is what a Chinese auto worker makes. GM just opened a new
plant in China, but do you think that the sticker price will reflect the vastly
reduced labor cost? I don't. The one thing that freelance Socialists forget is
that before you can distribute wealth, you must first create wealth, and that
takes WORK and lots of it.
Charly
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| User: "WH" |
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| Title: Re: Bush approves 1000 kilometers of fence on Mexico border |
01 Nov 2006 12:49:02 PM |
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Charly the ***** skrev:
mukyuk wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162214150.395900.160430@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
mukyuk wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162183554.121964.66060@e64g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
mukyuk wrote:
And while you're working on that one, why don't you preach to me
exactly *which* of the more fundamental of God's laws you presume
I have violated.
The most fundamental being, "Love thy neighbour as thyself"......
You see, I do love my neighbor --
As yourself though?
I seem to be more concerned about the conditions in which the growing
new underclass are living than you are. Since you ignored my point
below, I will assume you're like the Democrats in the US who love the
idea of a brand new underclass of people dependent on social programs.
Apparently you think people living in crowded, squalid conditions
(because their wages are so low) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently
you think employers paying low wages (because there is such an
overabundance of cheap labor) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently you
think over crowded hospital emergency rooms (because most undocumented
workers don't have health insurance, and must rely on emergency rooms
for health care) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently you think
emergency rooms being forced to close because they're going broke
taking care of so many uninsured people (which leaves everyone in the
neighborhood without a nearby emergency room) is a good thing. I don't.
Care to respond to those points this time? Before you go judging me and
my motives, maybe you should take a look at what you support and why
you support it.
All these conditions are bad, but it's worse in Mexico....!!! If Americans
weren't spounging everything from Mexico (like they are spounging everything
from everyone else in the world), there would not be this problem. What's
wrong with social programs anyhow? Certainly the richest country in the
world can afford it, after all the can afford expensive wars all over the
world, can't they?
Let's look at some other countries and their 'social programs'. Sweden is
officially neutral. They don't get involved in wars. They have cradle to grave
medical for every citizen. They pay roughly 50% of their income in taxes to
support this system.
Bit of an exageration there Charly. We pay roughly 31% of our income in
tax
WH
Charly
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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| Title: Re: Bush approves 1000 kilometers of fence on Mexico border |
01 Nov 2006 04:38:58 PM |
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On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 10:49:02 -0800, WH wrote:
Charly the ***** skrev:
mukyuk wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162214150.395900.160430@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
mukyuk wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162183554.121964.66060@e64g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
mukyuk wrote:
And while you're working on that one, why don't you preach to me
exactly *which* of the more fundamental of God's laws you presume
I have violated.
The most fundamental being, "Love thy neighbour as thyself"......
You see, I do love my neighbor --
As yourself though?
I seem to be more concerned about the conditions in which the growing
new underclass are living than you are. Since you ignored my point
below, I will assume you're like the Democrats in the US who love the
idea of a brand new underclass of people dependent on social programs.
Apparently you think people living in crowded, squalid conditions
(because their wages are so low) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently
you think employers paying low wages (because there is such an
overabundance of cheap labor) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently you
think over crowded hospital emergency rooms (because most undocumented
workers don't have health insurance, and must rely on emergency rooms
for health care) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently you think
emergency rooms being forced to close because they're going broke
taking care of so many uninsured people (which leaves everyone in the
neighborhood without a nearby emergency room) is a good thing. I don't.
Care to respond to those points this time? Before you go judging me and
my motives, maybe you should take a look at what you support and why
you support it.
All these conditions are bad, but it's worse in Mexico....!!! If Americans
weren't spounging everything from Mexico (like they are spounging everything
from everyone else in the world), there would not be this problem. What's
wrong with social programs anyhow? Certainly the richest country in the
world can afford it, after all the can afford expensive wars all over the
world, can't they?
Let's look at some other countries and their 'social programs'. Sweden is
officially neutral. They don't get involved in wars. They have cradle to grave
medical for every citizen. They pay roughly 50% of their income in taxes to
support this system.
Bit of an exageration there Charly. We pay roughly 31% of our income in
tax
WH
Is that in income taxes alone, or all taxes? Just curious, I'm getting
31% taken out every paycheck for income-based taxes, which includes
Social Security and Medicare, a health plan for the elderly. But, we also
have sales taxes, property taxes, etc. Mostly wondering if it's
essentially the same there.
Woods
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| User: "WH" |
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| Title: Re: Bush approves 1000 kilometers of fence on Mexico border |
02 Nov 2006 05:07:03 AM |
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Woodswun skrev:
On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 10:49:02 -0800, WH wrote:
Charly the ***** skrev:
mukyuk wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162214150.395900.160430@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
mukyuk wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162183554.121964.66060@e64g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
mukyuk wrote:
And while you're working on that one, why don't you preach to me
exactly *which* of the more fundamental of God's laws you presume
I have violated.
The most fundamental being, "Love thy neighbour as thyself"......
You see, I do love my neighbor --
As yourself though?
I seem to be more concerned about the conditions in which the growing
new underclass are living than you are. Since you ignored my point
below, I will assume you're like the Democrats in the US who love the
idea of a brand new underclass of people dependent on social programs.
Apparently you think people living in crowded, squalid conditions
(because their wages are so low) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently
you think employers paying low wages (because there is such an
overabundance of cheap labor) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently you
think over crowded hospital emergency rooms (because most undocumented
workers don't have health insurance, and must rely on emergency rooms
for health care) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently you think
emergency rooms being forced to close because they're going broke
taking care of so many uninsured people (which leaves everyone in the
neighborhood without a nearby emergency room) is a good thing. I don't.
Care to respond to those points this time? Before you go judging me and
my motives, maybe you should take a look at what you support and why
you support it.
All these conditions are bad, but it's worse in Mexico....!!! If Americans
weren't spounging everything from Mexico (like they are spounging everything
from everyone else in the world), there would not be this problem. What's
wrong with social programs anyhow? Certainly the richest country in the
world can afford it, after all the can afford expensive wars all over the
world, can't they?
Let's look at some other countries and their 'social programs'. Sweden is
officially neutral. They don't get involved in wars. They have cradle to grave
medical for every citizen. They pay roughly 50% of their income in taxes to
support this system.
Bit of an exageration there Charly. We pay roughly 31% of our income in
tax
WH
Is that in income taxes alone, or all taxes? Just curious, I'm getting
31% taken out every paycheck for income-based taxes, which includes
Social Security and Medicare, a health plan for the elderly. But, we also
have sales taxes, property taxes, etc. Mostly wondering if it's
essentially the same there.
Woods
Yep it's the same. 31% is on income. Then there's VAT, property tax,
and all the rest of the ***** thought up by politicians to rob the
people to pay their, (politician's), wages. Medical and pension are in
that 31%. But people working in private companys, as opposed to state
agencies, will usually have an extra pension paid for by the company
and then a complete private one which they pay for themselves. Some
more myth busting: Medical and dental care are not free they are
actually quite expensive in Sweden. Gay marriage is not law over here
in Sweden, I've heard that wanker billoreilly say that it is at least
twice on his hate show. Probably the reason why I think he's a complete
wanker 'cos if he can get that wrong, i.e. can't do the research, then
who know's what the ***** is true or untrue according to him.
Surveilance(sp) cameras are NOT allowed in public places without
specific permission. Databases with particular info on individuals are
not allowed except for the taxman. Police can NOT stop people in the
street without a reason, they have to have very strong suspicions
first. A policeman/woman who hits a suspect will be sacked, and rightly
so. They cannot jump on top of someone, wrestle them to the ground and
then say sorry my mistake! Religion is strictly kept out of state
schools. Discrimination for any reason, racial, sexual, religious etc.
is against the law. Abortion is a womans issue, religious freaks,
usually men who want to control women, can *****...they have no say
in it. Hitting your kids is against the law. All kinds of consentual
sex is ok. Legal age is 14 for both men and women. Can't think of
anything else just now :-)
WH
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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| Title: Re: Bush approves 1000 kilometers of fence on Mexico border |
02 Nov 2006 04:33:24 PM |
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On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 03:07:03 -0800, WH wrote:
Woodswun skrev:
On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 10:49:02 -0800, WH wrote:
Charly the ***** skrev:
mukyuk wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162214150.395900.160430@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
mukyuk wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162183554.121964.66060@e64g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
mukyuk wrote:
And while you're working on that one, why don't you preach to me
exactly *which* of the more fundamental of God's laws you presume
I have violated.
The most fundamental being, "Love thy neighbour as thyself"......
You see, I do love my neighbor --
As yourself though?
I seem to be more concerned about the conditions in which the growing
new underclass are living than you are. Since you ignored my point
below, I will assume you're like the Democrats in the US who love the
idea of a brand new underclass of people dependent on social programs.
Apparently you think people living in crowded, squalid conditions
(because their wages are so low) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently
you think employers paying low wages (because there is such an
overabundance of cheap labor) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently you
think over crowded hospital emergency rooms (because most undocumented
workers don't have health insurance, and must rely on emergency rooms
for health care) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently you think
emergency rooms being forced to close because they're going broke
taking care of so many uninsured people (which leaves everyone in the
neighborhood without a nearby emergency room) is a good thing. I don't.
Care to respond to those points this time? Before you go judging me and
my motives, maybe you should take a look at what you support and why
you support it.
All these conditions are bad, but it's worse in Mexico....!!! If Americans
weren't spounging everything from Mexico (like they are spounging everything
from everyone else in the world), there would not be this problem. What's
wrong with social programs anyhow? Certainly the richest country in the
world can afford it, after all the can afford expensive wars all over the
world, can't they?
Let's look at some other countries and their 'social programs'. Sweden is
officially neutral. They don't get involved in wars. They have cradle to grave
medical for every citizen. They pay roughly 50% of their income in taxes to
support this system.
Bit of an exageration there Charly. We pay roughly 31% of our income in
tax
WH
Is that in income taxes alone, or all taxes? Just curious, I'm getting
31% taken out every paycheck for income-based taxes, which includes
Social Security and Medicare, a health plan for the elderly. But, we also
have sales taxes, property taxes, etc. Mostly wondering if it's
essentially the same there.
Woods
Yep it's the same. 31% is on income. Then there's VAT, property tax,
and all the rest of the ***** thought up by politicians to rob the
people to pay their, (politician's), wages. Medical and pension are in
that 31%. But people working in private companys, as opposed to state
agencies, will usually have an extra pension paid for by the company
and then a complete private one which they pay for themselves. Some
more myth busting: Medical and dental care are not free they are
actually quite expensive in Sweden. Gay marriage is not law over here
in Sweden, I've heard that wanker billoreilly say that it is at least
twice on his hate show. Probably the reason why I think he's a complete
wanker 'cos if he can get that wrong, i.e. can't do the research, then
who know's what the ***** is true or untrue according to him.
Surveilance(sp) cameras are NOT allowed in public places without
specific permission. Databases with particular info on individuals are
not allowed except for the taxman. Police can NOT stop people in the
street without a reason, they have to have very strong suspicions
first. A policeman/woman who hits a suspect will be sacked, and rightly
so. They cannot jump on top of someone, wrestle them to the ground and
then say sorry my mistake! Religion is strictly kept out of state
schools. Discrimination for any reason, racial, sexual, religious etc.
is against the law. Abortion is a womans issue, religious freaks,
usually men who want to control women, can *****...they have no say
in it. Hitting your kids is against the law. All kinds of consentual
sex is ok. Legal age is 14 for both men and women. Can't think of
anything else just now :-)
WH
Hmm .... my 31% didn't include pension or medical insurance. I pay 3%
extra for my pension, and put even more into a deferred comp kind of
thing. I get my medical coverage through my husband, so he's paying for
that - and rightly so, since I'm the second income and am therefore taxed
much higher! (It would be lower if we were just living together, because
then we wouldn't be taxed on "household income" but on individual income).
Woods
Woods
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| User: "Charly the Bastard" |
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| Title: Re: Bush approves 1000 kilometers of fence on Mexico border |
02 Nov 2006 06:51:03 AM |
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WH wrote:
Charly the ***** skrev:
mukyuk wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162214150.395900.160430@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
mukyuk wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162183554.121964.66060@e64g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
mukyuk wrote:
And while you're working on that one, why don't you preach to me
exactly *which* of the more fundamental of God's laws you presume
I have violated.
The most fundamental being, "Love thy neighbour as thyself"......
You see, I do love my neighbor --
As yourself though?
I seem to be more concerned about the conditions in which the growing
new underclass are living than you are. Since you ignored my point
below, I will assume you're like the Democrats in the US who love the
idea of a brand new underclass of people dependent on social programs.
Apparently you think people living in crowded, squalid conditions
(because their wages are so low) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently
you think employers paying low wages (because there is such an
overabundance of cheap labor) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently you
think over crowded hospital emergency rooms (because most undocumented
workers don't have health insurance, and must rely on emergency rooms
for health care) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently you think
emergency rooms being forced to close because they're going broke
taking care of so many uninsured people (which leaves everyone in the
neighborhood without a nearby emergency room) is a good thing. I don't.
Care to respond to those points this time? Before you go judging me and
my motives, maybe you should take a look at what you support and why
you support it.
All these conditions are bad, but it's worse in Mexico....!!! If Americans
weren't spounging everything from Mexico (like they are spounging everything
from everyone else in the world), there would not be this problem. What's
wrong with social programs anyhow? Certainly the richest country in the
world can afford it, after all the can afford expensive wars all over the
world, can't they?
Let's look at some other countries and their 'social programs'. Sweden is
officially neutral. They don't get involved in wars. They have cradle to grave
medical for every citizen. They pay roughly 50% of their income in taxes to
support this system.
Bit of an exageration there Charly. We pay roughly 31% of our income in
tax
WH
Charly
Old numbers, my bad. It's nice to see that y'all are finally gettng a break. Just
what does it take to immigrate? I already have an '02 S 60, what else do I need?
(Best car I've ever owned.)
Charly
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: Bush approves 1000 kilometers of fence on Mexico border |
30 Oct 2006 09:00:22 PM |
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Charly the ***** wrote:
mukyuk wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162214150.395900.160430@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
mukyuk wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162183554.121964.66060@e64g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
mukyuk wrote:
And while you're working on that one, why don't you preach to me
exactly *which* of the more fundamental of God's laws you presume
I have violated.
The most fundamental being, "Love thy neighbour as thyself"......
You see, I do love my neighbor --
As yourself though?
I seem to be more concerned about the conditions in which the growing
new underclass are living than you are. Since you ignored my point
below, I will assume you're like the Democrats in the US who love the
idea of a brand new underclass of people dependent on social programs.
Apparently you think people living in crowded, squalid conditions
(because their wages are so low) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently
you think employers paying low wages (because there is such an
overabundance of cheap labor) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently you
think over crowded hospital emergency rooms (because most undocumented
workers don't have health insurance, and must rely on emergency rooms
for health care) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently you think
emergency rooms being forced to close because they're going broke
taking care of so many uninsured people (which leaves everyone in the
neighborhood without a nearby emergency room) is a good thing. I don't.
Care to respond to those points this time? Before you go judging me and
my motives, maybe you should take a look at what you support and why
you support it.
All these conditions are bad, but it's worse in Mexico....!!! If Americans
weren't spounging everything from Mexico (like they are spounging everything
from everyone else in the world), there would not be this problem. What's
wrong with social programs anyhow? Certainly the richest country in the
world can afford it, after all the can afford expensive wars all over the
world, can't they?
Let's look at some other countries and their 'social programs'. Sweden is
officially neutral. They don't get involved in wars. They have cradle to grave
medical for every citizen. They pay roughly 50% of their income in taxes to
support this system. Currently, our highest tax bracket is 35% and that covers
not only medical but a host of other programs including those expensive wars in
every corner of the world. No one is turned away from a hospital because they
can't afford treatment; Federal Law. As to the US being the 'richest country in
the world', we have a 9 trillion dollar debt. That's nine million million
dollars. $9,000,000,000,000. This is money we owe, to damn near everyone on
earth. The only reason that everyone has extended US credit is that we have the
strongest economy on earth, but that's changing. China is rapidly outpacing us,
on the backs of slave wage labor. Just how long do you think you'd survive on
$8.00 a week, which is what a Chinese auto worker makes.
I think you're on to something here. The corporations are looking to
create a brand new slave labor camp in the United States. Just keep
that border open and keep those low paid workers competing for jobs.
Yep, that's the ticket. And mukyuk supports that idea!
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| User: "mukyuk" |
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| Title: Re: Bush approves 1000 kilometers of fence on Mexico border |
30 Oct 2006 09:12:32 PM |
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"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162263622.381758.211230@e64g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
Charly the ***** wrote:
mukyuk wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162214150.395900.160430@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
mukyuk wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162183554.121964.66060@e64g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
mukyuk wrote:
And while you're working on that one, why don't you preach to
me
exactly *which* of the more fundamental of God's laws you
presume
I have violated.
The most fundamental being, "Love thy neighbour as thyself"......
You see, I do love my neighbor --
As yourself though?
I seem to be more concerned about the conditions in which the growing
new underclass are living than you are. Since you ignored my point
below, I will assume you're like the Democrats in the US who love the
idea of a brand new underclass of people dependent on social
programs.
Apparently you think people living in crowded, squalid conditions
(because their wages are so low) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently
you think employers paying low wages (because there is such an
overabundance of cheap labor) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently
you
think over crowded hospital emergency rooms (because most
undocumented
workers don't have health insurance, and must rely on emergency rooms
for health care) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently you think
emergency rooms being forced to close because they're going broke
taking care of so many uninsured people (which leaves everyone in the
neighborhood without a nearby emergency room) is a good thing. I
don't.
Care to respond to those points this time? Before you go judging me
and
my motives, maybe you should take a look at what you support and why
you support it.
All these conditions are bad, but it's worse in Mexico....!!! If
Americans
weren't spounging everything from Mexico (like they are spounging
everything
from everyone else in the world), there would not be this problem.
What's
wrong with social programs anyhow? Certainly the richest country in
the
world can afford it, after all the can afford expensive wars all over
the
world, can't they?
Let's look at some other countries and their 'social programs'. Sweden is
officially neutral. They don't get involved in wars. They have cradle to
grave
medical for every citizen. They pay roughly 50% of their income in taxes
to
support this system. Currently, our highest tax bracket is 35% and that
covers
not only medical but a host of other programs including those expensive
wars in
every corner of the world. No one is turned away from a hospital because
they
can't afford treatment; Federal Law. As to the US being the 'richest
country in
the world', we have a 9 trillion dollar debt. That's nine million million
dollars. $9,000,000,000,000. This is money we owe, to damn near everyone
on
earth. The only reason that everyone has extended US credit is that we
have the
strongest economy on earth, but that's changing. China is rapidly
outpacing us,
on the backs of slave wage labor. Just how long do you think you'd
survive on
$8.00 a week, which is what a Chinese auto worker makes.
I think you're on to something here. The corporations are looking to
create a brand new slave labor camp in the United States. Just keep
that border open and keep those low paid workers competing for jobs.
Yep, that's the ticket. And mukyuk supports that idea!
I say, give up all your material possessions and becomer a fisher of men!
That's what Christ would have said....
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: Bush approves 1000 kilometers of fence on Mexico border |
30 Oct 2006 09:15:12 PM |
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mukyuk wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162263622.381758.211230@e64g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
Charly the ***** wrote:
mukyuk wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162214150.395900.160430@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
mukyuk wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162183554.121964.66060@e64g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
mukyuk wrote:
And while you're working on that one, why don't you preach to
me
exactly *which* of the more fundamental of God's laws you
presume
I have violated.
The most fundamental being, "Love thy neighbour as thyself"......
You see, I do love my neighbor --
As yourself though?
I seem to be more concerned about the conditions in which the growing
new underclass are living than you are. Since you ignored my point
below, I will assume you're like the Democrats in the US who love the
idea of a brand new underclass of people dependent on social
programs.
Apparently you think people living in crowded, squalid conditions
(because their wages are so low) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently
you think employers paying low wages (because there is such an
overabundance of cheap labor) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently
you
think over crowded hospital emergency rooms (because most
undocumented
workers don't have health insurance, and must rely on emergency rooms
for health care) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently you think
emergency rooms being forced to close because they're going broke
taking care of so many uninsured people (which leaves everyone in the
neighborhood without a nearby emergency room) is a good thing. I
don't.
Care to respond to those points this time? Before you go judging me
and
my motives, maybe you should take a look at what you support and why
you support it.
All these conditions are bad, but it's worse in Mexico....!!! If
Americans
weren't spounging everything from Mexico (like they are spounging
everything
from everyone else in the world), there would not be this problem.
What's
wrong with social programs anyhow? Certainly the richest country in
the
world can afford it, after all the can afford expensive wars all over
the
world, can't they?
Let's look at some other countries and their 'social programs'. Sweden is
officially neutral. They don't get involved in wars. They have cradle to
grave
medical for every citizen. They pay roughly 50% of their income in taxes
to
support this system. Currently, our highest tax bracket is 35% and that
covers
not only medical but a host of other programs including those expensive
wars in
every corner of the world. No one is turned away from a hospital because
they
can't afford treatment; Federal Law. As to the US being the 'richest
country in
the world', we have a 9 trillion dollar debt. That's nine million million
dollars. $9,000,000,000,000. This is money we owe, to damn near everyone
on
earth. The only reason that everyone has extended US credit is that we
have the
strongest economy on earth, but that's changing. China is rapidly
outpacing us,
on the backs of slave wage labor. Just how long do you think you'd
survive on
$8.00 a week, which is what a Chinese auto worker makes.
I think you're on to something here. The corporations are looking to
create a brand new slave labor camp in the United States. Just keep
that border open and keep those low paid workers competing for jobs.
Yep, that's the ticket. And mukyuk supports that idea!
I say, give up all your material possessions and becomer a fisher of men!
That's what Christ would have said....
Is that what you have done?
.
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| User: "mukyuk" |
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| Title: Re: Bush approves 1000 kilometers of fence on Mexico border |
30 Oct 2006 09:21:53 PM |
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"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162264512.674836.203100@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
mukyuk wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162263622.381758.211230@e64g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
Charly the ***** wrote:
mukyuk wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162214150.395900.160430@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
mukyuk wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162183554.121964.66060@e64g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
mukyuk wrote:
And while you're working on that one, why don't you preach
to
me
exactly *which* of the more fundamental of God's laws you
presume
I have violated.
The most fundamental being, "Love thy neighbour as
thyself"......
You see, I do love my neighbor --
As yourself though?
I seem to be more concerned about the conditions in which the
growing
new underclass are living than you are. Since you ignored my point
below, I will assume you're like the Democrats in the US who love
the
idea of a brand new underclass of people dependent on social
programs.
Apparently you think people living in crowded, squalid conditions
(because their wages are so low) is a good thing. I don't.
Apparently
you think employers paying low wages (because there is such an
overabundance of cheap labor) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently
you
think over crowded hospital emergency rooms (because most
undocumented
workers don't have health insurance, and must rely on emergency
rooms
for health care) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently you think
emergency rooms being forced to close because they're going broke
taking care of so many uninsured people (which leaves everyone in
the
neighborhood without a nearby emergency room) is a good thing. I
don't.
Care to respond to those points this time? Before you go judging
me
and
my motives, maybe you should take a look at what you support and
why
you support it.
All these conditions are bad, but it's worse in Mexico....!!! If
Americans
weren't spounging everything from Mexico (like they are spounging
everything
from everyone else in the world), there would not be this problem.
What's
wrong with social programs anyhow? Certainly the richest country in
the
world can afford it, after all the can afford expensive wars all
over
the
world, can't they?
Let's look at some other countries and their 'social programs'. Sweden
is
officially neutral. They don't get involved in wars. They have cradle
to
grave
medical for every citizen. They pay roughly 50% of their income in
taxes
to
support this system. Currently, our highest tax bracket is 35% and
that
covers
not only medical but a host of other programs including those
expensive
wars in
every corner of the world. No one is turned away from a hospital
because
they
can't afford treatment; Federal Law. As to the US being the 'richest
country in
the world', we have a 9 trillion dollar debt. That's nine million
million
dollars. $9,000,000,000,000. This is money we owe, to damn near
everyone
on
earth. The only reason that everyone has extended US credit is that we
have the
strongest economy on earth, but that's changing. China is rapidly
outpacing us,
on the backs of slave wage labor. Just how long do you think you'd
survive on
$8.00 a week, which is what a Chinese auto worker makes.
I think you're on to something here. The corporations are looking to
create a brand new slave labor camp in the United States. Just keep
that border open and keep those low paid workers competing for jobs.
Yep, that's the ticket. And mukyuk supports that idea!
I say, give up all your material possessions and becomer a fisher of men!
That's what Christ would have said....
Is that what you have done?
Do as I say and not as I do!!!
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| User: "Charly the Bastard" |
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| Title: Re: Bush approves 1000 kilometers of fence on Mexico border |
31 Oct 2006 05:40:13 AM |
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Steven Douglas wrote:
Charly the ***** wrote:
mukyuk wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162214150.395900.160430@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
mukyuk wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162183554.121964.66060@e64g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
mukyuk wrote:
And while you're working on that one, why don't you preach to me
exactly *which* of the more fundamental of God's laws you presume
I have violated.
The most fundamental being, "Love thy neighbour as thyself"......
You see, I do love my neighbor --
As yourself though?
I seem to be more concerned about the conditions in which the growing
new underclass are living than you are. Since you ignored my point
below, I will assume you're like the Democrats in the US who love the
idea of a brand new underclass of people dependent on social programs.
Apparently you think people living in crowded, squalid conditions
(because their wages are so low) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently
you think employers paying low wages (because there is such an
overabundance of cheap labor) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently you
think over crowded hospital emergency rooms (because most undocumented
workers don't have health insurance, and must rely on emergency rooms
for health care) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently you think
emergency rooms being forced to close because they're going broke
taking care of so many uninsured people (which leaves everyone in the
neighborhood without a nearby emergency room) is a good thing. I don't.
Care to respond to those points this time? Before you go judging me and
my motives, maybe you should take a look at what you support and why
you support it.
All these conditions are bad, but it's worse in Mexico....!!! If Americans
weren't spounging everything from Mexico (like they are spounging everything
from everyone else in the world), there would not be this problem. What's
wrong with social programs anyhow? Certainly the richest country in the
world can afford it, after all the can afford expensive wars all over the
world, can't they?
Let's look at some other countries and their 'social programs'. Sweden is
officially neutral. They don't get involved in wars. They have cradle to grave
medical for every citizen. They pay roughly 50% of their income in taxes to
support this system. Currently, our highest tax bracket is 35% and that covers
not only medical but a host of other programs including those expensive wars in
every corner of the world. No one is turned away from a hospital because they
can't afford treatment; Federal Law. As to the US being the 'richest country in
the world', we have a 9 trillion dollar debt. That's nine million million
dollars. $9,000,000,000,000. This is money we owe, to damn near everyone on
earth. The only reason that everyone has extended US credit is that we have the
strongest economy on earth, but that's changing. China is rapidly outpacing us,
on the backs of slave wage labor. Just how long do you think you'd survive on
$8.00 a week, which is what a Chinese auto worker makes.
I think you're on to something here. The corporations are looking to
create a brand new slave labor camp in the United States. Just keep
that border open and keep those low paid workers competing for jobs.
Yep, that's the ticket. And mukyuk supports that idea!
Sarcasm is wasted on the moronic, Steve. The Corporates are not my friends right now.
I'm a capitalist, but I realize that unrestrained capitalism is just as destructive as
unrestrained socialism. Truth be exposed, there's not that much real difference
between the two. The elite get the mine in both cases, and we get the shaft. Whether
it's Corporate elite or Government elite is irrelevant to the worker who spends his
life digging in the dark.
Charly
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31 Oct 2006 09:35:46 AM |
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Charly the ***** skrev:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Charly the ***** wrote:
mukyuk wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162214150.395900.160430@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
mukyuk wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162183554.121964.66060@e64g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
mukyuk wrote:
And while you're working on that one, why don't you preach to me
exactly *which* of the more fundamental of God's laws you presume
I have violated.
The most fundamental being, "Love thy neighbour as thyself"......
You see, I do love my neighbor --
As yourself though?
I seem to be more concerned about the conditions in which the growing
new underclass are living than you are. Since you ignored my point
below, I will assume you're like the Democrats in the US who love the
idea of a brand new underclass of people dependent on social programs.
Apparently you think people living in crowded, squalid conditions
(because their wages are so low) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently
you think employers paying low wages (because there is such an
overabundance of cheap labor) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently you
think over crowded hospital emergency rooms (because most undocumented
workers don't have health insurance, and must rely on emergency rooms
for health care) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently you think
emergency rooms being forced to close because they're going broke
taking care of so many uninsured people (which leaves everyone in the
neighborhood without a nearby emergency room) is a good thing. I don't.
Care to respond to those points this time? Before you go judging me and
my motives, maybe you should take a look at what you support and why
you support it.
All these conditions are bad, but it's worse in Mexico....!!! If Americans
weren't spounging everything from Mexico (like they are spounging everything
from everyone else in the world), there would not be this problem. What's
wrong with social programs anyhow? Certainly the richest country in the
world can afford it, after all the can afford expensive wars all over the
world, can't they?
Let's look at some other countries and their 'social programs'. Sweden is
officially neutral. They don't get involved in wars. They have cradle to grave
medical for every citizen. They pay roughly 50% of their income in taxes to
support this system. Currently, our highest tax bracket is 35% and that covers
not only medical but a host of other programs including those expensive wars in
every corner of the world. No one is turned away from a hospital because they
can't afford treatment; Federal Law. As to the US being the 'richest country in
the world', we have a 9 trillion dollar debt. That's nine million million
dollars. $9,000,000,000,000. This is money we owe, to damn near everyone on
earth. The only reason that everyone has extended US credit is that we have the
strongest economy on earth, but that's changing. China is rapidly outpacing us,
on the backs of slave wage labor. Just how long do you think you'd survive on
$8.00 a week, which is what a Chinese auto worker makes.
I think you're on to something here. The corporations are looking to
create a brand new slave labor camp in the United States. Just keep
that border open and keep those low paid workers competing for jobs.
Yep, that's the ticket. And mukyuk supports that idea!
Sarcasm is wasted on the moronic, Steve. The Corporates are not my friends right now.
I'm a capitalist, but I realize that unrestrained capitalism is just as destructive as
unrestrained socialism. Truth be exposed, there's not that much real difference
between the two. The elite get the mine in both cases, and we get the shaft. Whether
it's Corporate elite or Government elite is irrelevant to the worker who spends his
life digging in the dark.
Charly
Under communism man exploits man, under capitalism it's just the
opposite!
WH
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| User: "WH" |
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| Title: Re: Bush approves 1000 kilometers of fence on Mexico border |
31 Oct 2006 09:35:47 AM |
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Charly the ***** skrev:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Charly the ***** wrote:
mukyuk wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162214150.395900.160430@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
mukyuk wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162183554.121964.66060@e64g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
mukyuk wrote:
And while you're working on that one, why don't you preach to me
exactly *which* of the more fundamental of God's laws you presume
I have violated.
The most fundamental being, "Love thy neighbour as thyself"......
You see, I do love my neighbor --
As yourself though?
I seem to be more concerned about the conditions in which the growing
new underclass are living than you are. Since you ignored my point
below, I will assume you're like the Democrats in the US who love the
idea of a brand new underclass of people dependent on social programs.
Apparently you think people living in crowded, squalid conditions
(because their wages are so low) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently
you think employers paying low wages (because there is such an
overabundance of cheap labor) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently you
think over crowded hospital emergency rooms (because most undocumented
workers don't have health insurance, and must rely on emergency rooms
for health care) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently you think
emergency rooms being forced to close because they're going broke
taking care of so many uninsured people (which leaves everyone in the
neighborhood without a nearby emergency room) is a good thing. I don't.
Care to respond to those points this time? Before you go judging me and
my motives, maybe you should take a look at what you support and why
you support it.
All these conditions are bad, but it's worse in Mexico....!!! If Americans
weren't spounging everything from Mexico (like they are spounging everything
from everyone else in the world), there would not be this problem. What's
wrong with social programs anyhow? Certainly the richest country in the
world can afford it, after all the can afford expensive wars all over the
world, can't they?
Let's look at some other countries and their 'social programs'. Sweden is
officially neutral. They don't get involved in wars. They have cradle to grave
medical for every citizen. They pay roughly 50% of their income in taxes to
support this system. Currently, our highest tax bracket is 35% and that covers
not only medical but a host of other programs including those expensive wars in
every corner of the world. No one is turned away from a hospital because they
can't afford treatment; Federal Law. As to the US being the 'richest country in
the world', we have a 9 trillion dollar debt. That's nine million million
dollars. $9,000,000,000,000. This is money we owe, to damn near everyone on
earth. The only reason that everyone has extended US credit is that we have the
strongest economy on earth, but that's changing. China is rapidly outpacing us,
on the backs of slave wage labor. Just how long do you think you'd survive on
$8.00 a week, which is what a Chinese auto worker makes.
I think you're on to something here. The corporations are looking to
create a brand new slave labor camp in the United States. Just keep
that border open and keep those low paid workers competing for jobs.
Yep, that's the ticket. And mukyuk supports that idea!
Sarcasm is wasted on the moronic, Steve. The Corporates are not my friends right now.
I'm a capitalist, but I realize that unrestrained capitalism is just as destructive as
unrestrained socialism. Truth be exposed, there's not that much real difference
between the two. The elite get the mine in both cases, and we get the shaft. Whether
it's Corporate elite or Government elite is irrelevant to the worker who spends his
life digging in the dark.
Charly
Under communism man exploits man, under capitalism it's just the
opposite!
WH
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| Title: Re: Bush approves 1000 kilometers of fence on Mexico border |
01 Nov 2006 10:27:55 PM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "WH" <bollogs@hotmail.com> Spat
the Words
Charly the ***** skrev:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Charly the ***** wrote:
mukyuk wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162214150.395900.160430@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
mukyuk wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162183554.121964.66060@e64g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
mukyuk wrote:
And while you're working on that one, why don't you
preach to me exactly *which* of the more fundamental of
God's laws you presume
I have violated.
The most fundamental being, "Love thy neighbour as
thyself"......
You see, I do love my neighbor --
As yourself though?
I seem to be more concerned about the conditions in which the
growing new underclass are living than you are. Since you
ignored my point below, I will assume you're like the Democrats
in the US who love the idea of a brand new underclass of people
dependent on social programs. Apparently you think people
living in crowded, squalid conditions (because their wages are
so low) is a good thing. I don't. Apparently you think
employers paying low wages (because there is such an
overabundance of cheap labor) is a good thing. I don't.
Apparently you think over crowded hospital emergency rooms
(because most undocumented workers don't have health insurance,
and must rely on emergency rooms for health care) is a good
thing. I don't. Apparently you think emergency rooms being
forced to close because they're going broke taking care of so
many uninsured people (which leaves everyone in the
neighborhood without a nearby emergency room) is a good thing.
I don't.
Care to respond to those points this time? Before you go
judging me and my motives, maybe you should take a look at what
you support and why you support it.
All these conditions are bad, but it's worse in Mexico....!!! If
Americans weren't spounging everything from Mexico (like they
are spounging everything from everyone else in the world), there
would not be this problem. What's wrong with social programs
anyhow? Certainly the richest country in the world can afford
it, after all the can afford expensive wars all over the
world, can't they?
Let's look at some other countries and their 'social programs'.
Sweden is officially neutral. They don't get involved in wars. They
have cradle to grave medical for every citizen. They pay roughly
50% of their income in taxes to support this system. Currently,
our highest tax bracket is 35% and that covers not only medical but
a host of other programs including those expensive wars in every
corner of the world. No one is turned away from a hospital because
they can't afford treatment; Federal Law. As to the US being the
'richest country in the world', we have a 9 trillion dollar debt.
That's nine million million dollars. $9,000,000,000,000. This is
money we owe, to damn near everyone on earth. The only reason that
everyone has extended US credit is that we have the strongest
economy on earth, but that's changing. China is rapidly outpacing
us, on the backs of slave wage labor. Just how long do you think
you'd survive on $8.00 a week, which is what a Chinese auto worker
makes.
I think you're on to something here. The corporations are looking to
create a brand new slave labor camp in the United States. Just keep
that border open and keep those low paid workers competing for jobs.
Yep, that's the ticket. And mukyuk supports that idea!
Sarcasm is wasted on the moronic, Steve. The Corporates are not my
friends right now. I'm a capitalist, but I realize that unrestrained
capitalism is just as destructive as unrestrained socialism. Truth be
exposed, there's not that much real difference between the two. The
elite get the mine in both cases, and we get the shaft. Whether it's
Corporate elite or Government elite is irrelevant to the worker who
spends his life digging in the dark.
Charly
Under communism man exploits man, under capitalism it's just the
opposite!
But capitalism actually works, whereas communism does not...
and where is the difference ? Privitization ? Individuals
working for themselves instead of for the collective.
Government not being required to maintain industry.
WH
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: Bush approves 1000 kilometers of fence on Mexico border |
02 Nov 2006 02:52:46 AM |
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Perseid wrote:
But capitalism actually works, whereas communism
does not...
Maybe, but if what worked in the past was capitalism,
we don't have capitalism today.
Originally, corporations protected investors from each
other. More capital than any one person had or was
willing to risk could be raised. At the same time, a
structured agreement like a corporation protected an
investor's right to a share in the profits.
When corporations began to turn into huge legal
entities -- the instruments of the most powerful
robber barrons -- we got anti-trust laws. These protected
businesses from each other, preserving competition.
However, at this point, we're already a few decades
beyond their demis.
Today, corporations protect people from the public and
the law. "The corporation did it, not me!" It's gotten so
bad that after the Enron scandal was made public,
Enron's auditing firm was indicted. The firm was indicted.
The corporation.
Believe it or not, what is dubbed "capitalism" today in
America is still very new, dating only to the Reagan
years. If you want to say it's working well, fine, but the
trends are scary.
Under Reagan the economy did pretty well, growing
at about 30%. But the economy is the pie, and not
matter how much better the pie got, the way it was
divided up looked grim.
Poverty grew under Reagan, with fully 25% of the
nation growing poorer. In fact, the economic growth
under Reagan, that 30%, mapped almost perfectly
with who benefited from the growth -- the top third of
the nation. Even worse, the closer you got to the
very top the more benefit they got. What literally
happened was that the divide between rich & poor
exploded.
Following Reagan was a recession. After that came
Clinton. Clinton's economic expansion was longer
and deeper than Reagan's -- even groups traditionally
left behind saw their piece of the pie grow -- but the
divide between rich & poor continued to grow. Slower
than under Reagan, but it still grew bigger.
Under Bush, the divide between rich & poor has once
again exploded. The economy hasn't seen a lot of
growth, but the top has grown by leaps & bounds
anyway. Wages are down, the job market has yet
to grow enough to take on the more than 100,000
people who enter it every month, and that together
with the more than 2 million new jobs initially lost
leaves us about 2 million short of just keeping things
even with where they were when Bush took over.
At the same time, inflation is back, healthcare costs
have exploded and fuel prices are high.
In 1972 they raised minimum wage to $2 per hour.
After inflation, today it would have to be about
$8.35 and hour just to be level. It's short by more
than $3.
It's gotten so bad that you no longer have to look
very hard to find someone on the right blaming
the American worker, that their share of the pie is
too big! We need to be earning no more than the
workers in developing nations -- our share of the
pie has to shrink that much more -- so we can
compete with them for our jobs.
I'd say that it's pretty clear that the Reagan experiment
failed. I'd say that it's pretty clear that we need to
change course, and we need to do it quickly. A
Soviet style collapse is one thing, a Soviet style
collapse with a well-armed populace is quite a different
story.
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: Bush approves 1000 kilometers of fence on Mexico border |
31 Oct 2006 08:05:11 AM |
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Charly the ***** wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Charly the ***** wrote:
mukyuk wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162214150.395900.160430@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
mukyuk wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162183554.121964.66060@e64g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
mukyuk wrote:
And while you're working on that one, why don't you preach to me
exactly *which* of the more fundamental of God's laws you presume
I have violated.
The most fundamental being, "Love thy neighbour as thyself"......
You see, I do love my neighbor --
As yourself though?
I seem to be more concerned about the conditions in which the growing
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