I am policeman, PCH5N1. I have received an arrest statement from you
that you want to arrest "GOD". We have checked through his records
inside the FBI,CIA and KGB archives. We has concluded that "HE is
untoucheable".
His fame has already spreaded far and wide. The whole world knows
HIM. Even the animals like the bird catches flu at the mention of
HIS NAME. He even cause fire falls from the sky and that happens in
China a few years ago.
Therefore, we come to the conclusion that HE is the real GOD.
And you must surrender to HIM otherwise we will arrest you!
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| User: "Jason Brooks" |
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28 Sep 2005 09:15:20 AM |
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One thing we know for sure is that if there is a real god, it most
certainly is not allah.
666 wrote:
I am policeman, PCH5N1. I have received an arrest statement from you
that you want to arrest "GOD". We have checked through his records
inside the FBI,CIA and KGB archives. We has concluded that "HE is
untoucheable".
His fame has already spreaded far and wide. The whole world knows
HIM. Even the animals like the bird catches flu at the mention of
HIS NAME. He even cause fire falls from the sky and that happens in
China a few years ago.
Therefore, we come to the conclusion that HE is the real GOD.
And you must surrender to HIM otherwise we will arrest you!
One thing we know for sure is that if there is a real god, it most
certainly is not allah.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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30 Sep 2005 07:54:37 AM |
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"Jason Brooks" <jason@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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One thing we know for sure is that if there is a real god, it most
certainly is not allah.
How do you know that, and who are the *****-sure "we"? Fact is: Allah is
just the word "god" translated into Arabic.
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| User: "666" |
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01 Oct 2005 10:50:44 PM |
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Any prophet belonging to a great religion has been handpicked
by GOD. His coming into this world to preach has been given
the full blessing from GOD.
I asked you to drop your colored eye-glasses and stop
blasphemying ALLAH immediately.
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| User: "" |
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28 Sep 2005 12:43:12 PM |
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*HIS* "ELECT" *WROTE*:
*WHAT'S* "WITH" *THIS* "IF" *THERE* "IS" *A* "REAL" *GOD*??? *IF*
"YOU" *WERE* "NOT" *YOU* "WOULD" *I* "BE" *ABLE* "TO" *SAY* "YOU" *DO*
"NOT" *EXIST*??? "IF" *YOU* "ARE" *ALIVE* "WOULD" *I* "BE" *ABLE* "TO"
*SAY* "YOU" *WERE* "DEAD"??? "WHERE" *IS* "THE" *LOGICAL* "REASONING"
*IN* "YOUR" *STATEMENT* "SINCE" *IT* "IS" *COMING* "ACROSS" *TO* "ME"
*AS* "REASONING" *WITHOUT* "LOGIC"???
*WHEN* "YOU" *EAT* "BREAD" *DID* "YOU" *EVER* "ONCE" *STOP* "TO"
*CONSIDER* "HOW" *THE* "SEED" *THAT* "THE" *WHEAT* "WAS" *DERIVED*
"FROM" *COULD* "NOT" *HAVE* "COME" *INTO* "BEING" *WITHOUT* "IT'S"
*ORIGINAL* "CONCEPT" *IN* "FORMULATION" *BEFORE* "IT" *COULD* "BECOME"
*A* "SEED" *IN* "REALITY"???
*EVEN* "THE" *SCIENTIST* "WILL" *AGREE* "WITH" *THAT* "STATEMENT" *AS*
"THEY" *ARE* "IN" *A* "CONSTANT" *MODE* "OF" *FORMULATION* "AND"
*THEREFORE* "THEY" *KNOW* "WITH" *ABSOLUTE* "CERTAINTY" *IT* "REQUIRED"
*THEIR* "EFFORTS" *TO* "MANIPULATE" *THE* "VARIOUS" *ELEMENTS* "IN"
*EXISTENCE "BEFORE" *THEY* "COULD" *CONCIEVE* "A" *FORMULATED*
"RESULT"!!!
*WHO* "HAD" *THE* "ORIGINAL" *CONCEPTS* "OF" *CREATION* "AND" *WHO*
"PROVIDED" *THESE* "CONCEPTS" *FOR* "PEOPLE" *TO* "USE" *IN* "THEIR"
*DAILY* "LIVES" *AS* "WE" *ALL* "KNOW" *THAT* "WITHOUT" *THESE*
"THINGS" *BEING* "PART" *OF* "OUR" *DAILY* "LIVES" *THEIR* "WOULD"
*SIMPLY* "BE" *NO* "WAY" *FOR* "OUR" *LIVES* "TO" *BE* "SUSTAINED"???
*ANOTHER* "POINT" *FOR* "CONSIDERATION" *SHOULD* "BE" *IF* "THE" *DAY*
"IS" *PARTED* "FROM" *THE* "NIGHT" *HOW* "DID" *IT* "GET" *PARTED* "IN"
*THE* "FIRST" *PLACE* "AS" *THERE* "MUST" *HAVE* "BEEN" *SOME* "POWER"
*USED* "TO" *CREATE* "THESE" *TWO* "ESTABLISHED" *ORDERS* "OF" *LIFE*
"AS" *HAVING* "A" *BIG* "BANG" *WOULD* "NOT" *MAKE* "THE" *CASE* "FOR"
*THESE* "FACTS" *TO* "BE" *POSSIBLE* "AS" *A* "BIG" *BANG* "CREATES"
*A* "VARIABLE" *CALLED* "FLUCTUATION" *FOR* "WHICH" *THERE* "WAS" *NO*
"PHYSICAL" *CONTROL* "OVER" *THE* "RESULT" *WITHOUT* "THE"
*INTELLIGENT* "INTERVENTION" *OF* "GOD"!!!
*ANOTHER* "POINT" *IS*... "IF" *I* "DID" *NOT* "SEE" *THE* "LIGHT"
*HOW* "COULD" *I* "KNOW" *THERE* "IS" *A* "DIFFERENCE" *BETWEEN*
"NIGHT" *AND* "DAY"??? *REMEMBER* "IN" *THE* "DARKNESS" *OF* "NIGHT"
*IS* "THE" *VEIL* "OF" *SECRECY* *WHERE* "THINGS" *WE* "DO" *NOT*
"WANT" *TO* "BE" *KNOWN* "ARE" *HIDDEN* "AND" *IN* "THE" *LIGHT* "OF"
*DAY* "THERE" *IS* "THE" *REVEALING* "OF" *THOSE* "THINGS" *WHICH*
"WERE" *HIDDEN* "IN" *THE* "DARKNESS" *OF* "NIGHT"!!!
*REMEMBER* "WHEN" *YOU* "DID" *SOMETHING* "WRONG" *AS* "A" *KID* "AND"
*IT* "BROUGHT" *ABOUT* "GREAT" *FEAR* "OF" *WHAT* "KIND" *OF* "TROUBLE"
*YOU* "WERE" *GOING* "TO" *GET* "INTO" *WHEN* "YOU" *GOT* "HOME" *OR*
"IF" *SOMEBODY* "FOUND" *OUT* "ABOUT" *IT*??? *WELL*, "IT" *IS* "IN"
*THE* "RELEASE" *OF* "THAT" *SECRET* "WRONG" *THAT* "YOU" *WERE*
"RELIEVED" *OF* "YOUR" *OWN* "MENTAL" *ANGUISH* "TO" *THE* "POINT"
*THAT* "YOU" *WERE* "ENLIGHTENED" *AND* "FELT" *MUCH* "BETTER" *ABOUT*
"WHEW"... *I* "AM" *GLAD* "I" *DON'T* "HAVE" *TO* "CARRY" *THAT*
"AROUND" *WITH* "ME" *ANYMORE*!!!
*THAT'S* "RIGHT"... *YOU* "WERE" *SET* "FREE" *FROM* "THE" *WEIGHT*
"OF" *CARRYING* "THE" *HEAVY* "LOAD" *OF* "YOUR" *OWN* "SECRET"
*WRONGS* "UPON" *YOUR* "OWN" *CONSCIOUS* "INTELLECT" *AND* "YOU" *WERE*
"NOW" *ABLE* "TO" *GO* "ABOUT" *LIVING* "LIFE" *AS* "IT" *WAS*
"INTENDED" *FOR* "YOU" *TO* "LIVE"... *FREE* "OF" *THE* "OPPRESSIVE"
*AND* "DESTRUCTIVE" *WEIGHT* "OF" *SIN* "CONTROLLING" *YOUR*
"THOUGHTS"!!!
"LET" *THERE* "BE" *WISDOM* "IN" *UNDERSTADING*...
"HIS" *ELECT*
P.S. *GOD* "DOES" *ALLOW* "FOR" *THE* "PEOPLE" *TO* "BE" *FORGIVEN*
"IF" *THEY* "ARE" *WILLING* "TO" *SEEK* "HIS" *FORGIVENESS* "AND"
*MAKE* "ATONEMENT" *TO* "THOSE" *WHO* "WERE" *VICTIMIZED* "BY" *THE*
"WRONGS" *COMMITTED* "THRU" *ACTS* "AND" *DEEDS*!!!
P.P.S. *LET* "THERE" *BE* "NO" *MISTAKE* "ABOUT" *IT*... *GOD* "IS" *A*
"SPIRIT" *OF* "LAW" *AND* "ORDER" *AND* "IT" *IS* "GIVEN" *TO* "ALL"
*TO* "RECOGNIZE" *THIS* "AS" *ABSOLUTE* "TRUTH"!!!
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| User: "Captn sensible" |
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28 Sep 2005 01:24:46 PM |
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wrote:
*HIS* "ELECT" *WROTE*:
[rest of illegible message snipped]
Did you know that you can actually put a keyboard in the washing
machine then dry it off against a radiator, without harming it?
Anyway it seems totally knacked. I'm sending you a donation towards a
new one.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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30 Sep 2005 08:05:53 AM |
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"Captn sensible" <binnidle@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1127931886.661165.80180@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
his_elect_07@yahoo.com wrote:
*HIS* "ELECT" *WROTE*:
[rest of illegible message snipped]
Did you know that you can actually put a keyboard in the washing
machine then dry it off against a radiator, without harming it?
Anyway it seems totally knacked. I'm sending you a donation towards a
new one.
I don't think that will help. His one typing finger has gone askew, and
now splinted pushes down a whole lot of keys simultaneously.
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| User: "" |
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28 Sep 2005 01:49:02 PM |
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*HIS* "ELECT" *WROTE*:
*YOU* "PEOPLE" *ARE* "IMPOSSIBLE" *TO* "REACH" *AS* "YOUR" *BIASNESS*
"IS" *SO* "THICK" *YOU* "COULDN'T" *SEE* "THE" *LIGHT* "FOR" *THE*
"FOREST" *ANYWAY*!!!
"HAVE" *A* "NICE" *DAY*...
"HIS" *ELECT*
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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30 Sep 2005 08:11:59 AM |
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<his_elect_07@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1127933342.439714.175320@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
*HIS* "ELECT" *WROTE*:
*YOU* "PEOPLE" *ARE* "IMPOSSIBLE" *TO* "REACH" *AS* "YOUR" *BIASNESS*
"IS" *SO* "THICK" *YOU* "COULDN'T" *SEE* "THE" *LIGHT* "FOR" *THE*
"FOREST" *ANYWAY*!!!
"HAVE" *A* "NICE" *DAY*...
"HIS" *ELECT*
We can't read your writing without going blind from eye-strain and deaf
from your shouting at us. So on judgment day, when the Lord calls us blind
and deaf, we know who to blame.
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| User: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" |
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28 Sep 2005 04:31:10 PM |
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*****, you ignorant irrational idolater.
<his_elect_07@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1127933342.439714.175320@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
: *HIS* "ELECT" *WROTE*:
:
: *YOU* "PEOPLE" *ARE* "IMPOSSIBLE" *TO* "REACH" *AS* "YOUR" *BIASNESS*
: "IS" *SO* "THICK" *YOU* "COULDN'T" *SEE* "THE" *LIGHT* "FOR" *THE*
: "FOREST" *ANYWAY*!!!
:
:
: "HAVE" *A* "NICE" *DAY*...
:
: "HIS" *ELECT*
:
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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30 Sep 2005 08:19:00 AM |
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"ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote in message
news:mVD_e.1755$ST1.1254@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
<his_elect_07@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1127933342.439714.175320@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
: *HIS* "ELECT" *WROTE*:
:
: *YOU* "PEOPLE" *ARE* "IMPOSSIBLE" *TO* "REACH" *AS* "YOUR" *BIASNESS*
: "IS" *SO* "THICK" *YOU* "COULDN'T" *SEE* "THE" *LIGHT* "FOR" *THE*
: "FOREST" *ANYWAY*!!!
: "HAVE" *A* "NICE" *DAY*...
: "HIS" *ELECT*
*****, you ignorant irrational idolater.
See? Now you start to provoke others who are into illegible writing,
like: ריעין ברתון . Just remember: All those you could have brought to the
Lord, but didn't, will be laid to your account!!!!!
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| User: "" |
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28 Sep 2005 04:40:10 PM |
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*HIS* "ELECT" *WROTE*:
*WAS* "THAT" *MESSAGE* "DIRECTED" *TO* "YOU"??? "I" *DIDN'T* "THINK*
"SO" *YET* "YOU" *PROVE* "THAT" *IT* "IS" *EXACTLY* "AS" *I* "HAD"
*WRITTEN* "IT"!!!
"WHEN" *YOUR* "TIME" *COMES* "TO" *ACCOUNT* "TO" *GOD* "FOR" *YOUR*
"CONDUCT" *DOWN* "HERE" *I* "SURE" *HOPE* "YOU" *HAVE* "SPIRITUAL"
*INSURANCE* "AS" *YOU* "HAVE" *MADE* "SOME" *VERY* "BAD" *CHOICES* "BY"
*SPREADING* "WORDS" *OF* "CURSING" *AND* "BLASPHEMY" *AROUND* "TOWARDS"
*YOUR* "NEIGHBORS"!!!
"HAVE" *A* "NICE" *DAY*...
"HIS" *ELECT*
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| User: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" |
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28 Sep 2005 06:27:51 PM |
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God is the One and Only True Judge -- I am not worried. God doesn't
judge someone for cursing a bigot and idolaters. God also looks at the
WHOLE of one's life.
Now do ***** off *****.
<his_elect_07@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1127943610.216066.268500@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
: *HIS* "ELECT" *WROTE*:
:
: *WAS* "THAT" *MESSAGE* "DIRECTED" *TO* "YOU"??? "I" *DIDN'T* "THINK*
: "SO" *YET* "YOU" *PROVE* "THAT" *IT* "IS" *EXACTLY* "AS" *I* "HAD"
: *WRITTEN* "IT"!!!
:
: "WHEN" *YOUR* "TIME" *COMES* "TO" *ACCOUNT* "TO" *GOD* "FOR" *YOUR*
: "CONDUCT" *DOWN* "HERE" *I* "SURE" *HOPE* "YOU" *HAVE* "SPIRITUAL"
: *INSURANCE* "AS" *YOU* "HAVE" *MADE* "SOME" *VERY* "BAD" *CHOICES*
"BY"
: *SPREADING* "WORDS" *OF* "CURSING" *AND* "BLASPHEMY" *AROUND*
"TOWARDS"
: *YOUR* "NEIGHBORS"!!!
:
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: "HAVE" *A* "NICE" *DAY*...
:
: "HIS" *ELECT*
:
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| User: "666" |
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28 Sep 2005 11:06:01 PM |
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I read through all these threads
And found that it is so much lacking in wisdom
Especially on the basic knowledge of GOD
GOD encompasses everything
GOD is ONE and ONE is ALL
GOD is omnipresence
GOD can manifest into different persons in different nations
GOD is magnificent!
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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30 Sep 2005 08:39:43 AM |
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"666" <taphin@ntu.edu.sg> wrote in message
news:1127966761.899490.220850@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
I read through all these threads
And found that it is so much lacking in wisdom
Especially on the basic knowledge of GOD
GOD encompasses everything
GOD is ONE and ONE is ALL
GOD is omnipresence
GOD can manifest into different persons in different nations
GOD is magnificent!
To sum up: "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) which incorporates all of your
list of attributes above.
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| User: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" |
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30 Sep 2005 01:53:22 PM |
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***** YOU PAGAN CHRISTIAN *****.
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
news:ad2db$433d65d1$d1d89a64
: To sum up: "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) which incorporates all of
your
: list of attributes above.
:
:
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| User: "Captn sensible" |
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30 Sep 2005 02:30:45 PM |
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=F8=E9=F2=E9=EF =E1=F8=FA=E5=EF=FD/Riain Barton wrote:
***** YOU PAGAN CHRISTIAN *****.
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
news:ad2db$433d65d1$d1d89a64
: To sum up: "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) which incorporates all of
your
: list of attributes above.
Riain, from your recent posts I would say you are about 14 years of age
with an inferiority complex, coupled with very little experience in the
art of comunication. Maybe a few more years on your back will temper
your venom which you portray for your fellow humans. Let's face it
Riain, we're all gods people, arn't we???
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| User: "plata moya" |
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02 Oct 2005 02:14:15 AM |
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God
First book of the bible, genesis, chapter 22 verse 2, God said to
Abraham take thine only son Isaac into the mountains and there make a
burnt offering of him to me.
If you study the history of this area at that time there were many gods
whom people were to burn their first born son as a sacrifice to these
gods, Baal, Moloch and Abraham's God to name a few. These religions
were known as the religions of women's tears because they use to ripe
the baby's out of the woman's arms. There are many thing these
religions had in common, these Gods were big on the promises, promising
land, baby's, wealth, destroy your enemies etc. and if you disobeyed
them the would hurl fire and brimstone down on you, inflict floods,
famine, pestilence etc. until the followers repented. Just as you can
read in genesis.
god spoke to Abraham, and said there is a ram in the bushes sacrifice
it instead of Isaac then he made a covenant with Abraham he promised
him all the holy land, which is fought over today. Abraham freed the
Jews from sacrificing their first born sons, Like Moloch and Baal
worshipers. Abraham learned the god business from his father in Ur
(Basra Iraq) . one of the tricks was to get these gods to speak through
you to promised land, wealth etc. and to scare the the people into
submission a trick well used by Moses and Mohammad. All these god were
into murder and torture like the burning of all the people and children
of Sodom and Gomorrah .
Moses,Exodus 32
The Golden Calf
27 Then he said to them, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel,
says: 'Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through
the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend
and neighbor.' " 28 The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day
about three thousand of the people died. 29 Then Moses said, "You have
been set apart to the LORD today, for you were against your own sons
and brothers, and he has blessed you this day."
35 And the LORD struck the people with a plague because of what they
did with the calf Aaron had made
Leviticus 26
26:22 I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of
your children , and destroy your cattle, and make you few in number;
and your high ways shall be desolate
Numbers 31
31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill
every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
31:18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying
with him, keep alive for yourselves.
God nor Moses ever had a heaven or hell, it is never mentioned in the
old Testament. Heaven and hell were invented by the Zoroastrians of
Persia, the Christians got it from them so they could terrify their
children into believing in Jesus and Muhammad got it from them to
terrorize the Muslims.
Revelation 20
20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the
books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of
life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written
in the books, according to their works
20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast
into the lake of fire.
I ask you do you see any love, compassion or wisdom in any of this?
Affectionately, plata moya
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: Do any real Gods exist? |
03 Oct 2005 07:29:19 PM |
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"plata moya" <t5432109@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1128237255.192341.98970@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
God
First book of the bible, genesis, chapter 22 verse 2, God said to
Abraham take thine only son Isaac into the mountains and there make a
burnt offering of him to me.
If you study the history of this area at that time there were many gods
whom people were to burn their first born son as a sacrifice to these
gods, Baal, Moloch and Abraham's God to name a few. These religions
were known as the religions of women's tears because they use to ripe
the baby's out of the woman's arms. There are many thing these
religions had in common, these Gods were big on the promises, promising
land, baby's, wealth, destroy your enemies etc. and if you disobeyed
them the would hurl fire and brimstone down on you, inflict floods,
famine, pestilence etc. until the followers repented. Just as you can
read in genesis.
god spoke to Abraham, and said there is a ram in the bushes sacrifice
it instead of Isaac then he made a covenant with Abraham he promised
him all the holy land, which is fought over today. Abraham freed the
Jews from sacrificing their first born sons, Like Moloch and Baal
worshipers. Abraham learned the god business from his father in Ur
(Basra Iraq) . one of the tricks was to get these gods to speak through
you to promised land, wealth etc. and to scare the the people into
submission a trick well used by Moses and Mohammad. All these god were
into murder and torture like the burning of all the people and children
of Sodom and Gomorrah .
Moses,Exodus 32
The Golden Calf
27 Then he said to them, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel,
says: 'Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through
the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend
and neighbor.' " 28 The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day
about three thousand of the people died. 29 Then Moses said, "You have
been set apart to the LORD today, for you were against your own sons
and brothers, and he has blessed you this day."
35 And the LORD struck the people with a plague because of what they
did with the calf Aaron had made
Leviticus 26
26:22 I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of
your children , and destroy your cattle, and make you few in number;
and your high ways shall be desolate
Numbers 31
31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill
every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
31:18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying
with him, keep alive for yourselves.
God nor Moses ever had a heaven or hell, it is never mentioned in the
old Testament. Heaven and hell were invented by the Zoroastrians of
Persia, the Christians got it from them so they could terrify their
children into believing in Jesus and Muhammad got it from them to
terrorize the Muslims.
Revelation 20
20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the
books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of
life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written
in the books, according to their works
20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast
into the lake of fire.
I ask you do you see any love, compassion or wisdom in any of this?
Affectionately, plata moya
All this is about Judaism. If you want to discuss or complain about
Judaism, our pristine Christian NGs are not the place. Christ came to
correct and amend the Tanakh and its old Covenant and to put new wine into
new wine-skins etc. He was totally against all of man's inhumanities to man,
and made the Royal Law and the Golden Rule below the first and most
important commandments for us all.
Pastor Frank
The most important, yet most ignored commandments of Christ, which would
make war, if not ALL of man's inhumanity to man extinct, nay totally
unthinkable:
THE ROYAL LAW OF CHRIST
**Jesus in Mk 12:30: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy
heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
strength: this is the first commandment.
**31: And the second is alike, namely this: Thou shalt love thy neighbour
as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
**Jesus in Mat 22:40 "All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two
commandments."
THE GOLDEN RULE OF CHRIST
Jesus in Matt. 7:12: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men
should do to you, do ye even so to them...."
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06 Oct 2005 03:50:07 AM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"plata moya" <t5432109@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1128237255.192341.98970@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
God
First book of the bible, genesis, chapter 22 verse 2, God said to
Abraham take thine only son Isaac into the mountains and there make a
burnt offering of him to me.
If you study the history of this area at that time there were many gods
whom people were to burn their first born son as a sacrifice to these
gods, Baal, Moloch and Abraham's God to name a few. These religions
were known as the religions of women's tears because they use to ripe
the baby's out of the woman's arms. There are many thing these
religions had in common, these Gods were big on the promises, promising
land, baby's, wealth, destroy your enemies etc. and if you disobeyed
them the would hurl fire and brimstone down on you, inflict floods,
famine, pestilence etc. until the followers repented. Just as you can
read in genesis.
god spoke to Abraham, and said there is a ram in the bushes sacrifice
it instead of Isaac then he made a covenant with Abraham he promised
him all the holy land, which is fought over today. Abraham freed the
Jews from sacrificing their first born sons, Like Moloch and Baal
worshipers. Abraham learned the god business from his father in Ur
(Basra Iraq) . one of the tricks was to get these gods to speak through
you to promised land, wealth etc. and to scare the the people into
submission a trick well used by Moses and Mohammad. All these god were
into murder and torture like the burning of all the people and children
of Sodom and Gomorrah .
Moses,Exodus 32
The Golden Calf
27 Then he said to them, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel,
says: 'Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through
the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend
and neighbor.' " 28 The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day
about three thousand of the people died. 29 Then Moses said, "You have
been set apart to the LORD today, for you were against your own sons
and brothers, and he has blessed you this day."
35 And the LORD struck the people with a plague because of what they
did with the calf Aaron had made
Leviticus 26
26:22 I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of
your children , and destroy your cattle, and make you few in number;
and your high ways shall be desolate
Numbers 31
31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill
every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
31:18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying
with him, keep alive for yourselves.
God nor Moses ever had a heaven or hell, it is never mentioned in the
old Testament. Heaven and hell were invented by the Zoroastrians of
Persia, the Christians got it from them so they could terrify their
children into believing in Jesus and Muhammad got it from them to
terrorize the Muslims.
Revelation 20
20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the
books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of
life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written
in the books, according to their works
20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast
into the lake of fire.
I ask you do you see any love, compassion or wisdom in any of this?
Affectionately, plata moya
All this is about Judaism. If you want to discuss or complain about
Judaism, our pristine Christian NGs are not the place. Christ came to
correct and amend the Tanakh and its old Covenant and to put new wine into
new wine-skins etc. He was totally against all of man's inhumanities to man,
and made the Royal Law and the Golden Rule below the first and most
important commandments for us all.
Pastor Frank
The most important, yet most ignored commandments of Christ, which would
make war, if not ALL of man's inhumanity to man extinct, nay totally
unthinkable:
THE ROYAL LAW OF CHRIST
**Jesus in Mk 12:30: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy
heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
strength: this is the first commandment.
**31: And the second is alike, namely this: Thou shalt love thy neighbour
as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
**Jesus in Mat 22:40 "All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two
commandments."
THE GOLDEN RULE OF CHRIST
Jesus in Matt. 7:12: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men
should do to you, do ye even so to them...."
"Christ came to
correct and amend the Tanakh and its old Covenant and to put new wine
into
new wine-skins etc"
Well said Pastor Frank. I couldn't have put it better myself!
Actually, I was discussing this with several Jewish friends who live
locally. They told me that most Jews now believe of Jesus Christ and
the only few who don't, can't think for themselves and are only
hypnotically repeating what they have been told from birth.
"Give me a child until he is seven and I will give you the man!"
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06 Oct 2005 04:07:58 AM |
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"Pastor Hank" <houseofglass@hotmail.com> shamelessly dissembled:
Pastor Frank wrote:
"plata moya" <t5432109@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1128237255.192341.98970@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
God
First book of the bible, genesis, chapter 22 verse 2, God said to
Abraham take thine only son Isaac into the mountains and there make a
burnt offering of him to me.
If you study the history of this area at that time there were many gods
whom people were to burn their first born son as a sacrifice to these
gods, Baal, Moloch and Abraham's God to name a few. These religions
were known as the religions of women's tears because they use to ripe
the baby's out of the woman's arms. There are many thing these
religions had in common, these Gods were big on the promises, promising
land, baby's, wealth, destroy your enemies etc. and if you disobeyed
them the would hurl fire and brimstone down on you, inflict floods,
famine, pestilence etc. until the followers repented. Just as you can
read in genesis.
god spoke to Abraham, and said there is a ram in the bushes sacrifice
it instead of Isaac then he made a covenant with Abraham he promised
him all the holy land, which is fought over today. Abraham freed the
Jews from sacrificing their first born sons, Like Moloch and Baal
worshipers. Abraham learned the god business from his father in Ur
(Basra Iraq) . one of the tricks was to get these gods to speak through
you to promised land, wealth etc. and to scare the the people into
submission a trick well used by Moses and Mohammad. All these god were
into murder and torture like the burning of all the people and children
of Sodom and Gomorrah .
Moses,Exodus 32
The Golden Calf
27 Then he said to them, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel,
says: 'Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through
the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend
and neighbor.' " 28 The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day
about three thousand of the people died. 29 Then Moses said, "You have
been set apart to the LORD today, for you were against your own sons
and brothers, and he has blessed you this day."
35 And the LORD struck the people with a plague because of what they
did with the calf Aaron had made
Leviticus 26
26:22 I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of
your children , and destroy your cattle, and make you few in number;
and your high ways shall be desolate
Numbers 31
31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill
every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
31:18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying
with him, keep alive for yourselves.
God nor Moses ever had a heaven or hell, it is never mentioned in the
old Testament. Heaven and hell were invented by the Zoroastrians of
Persia, the Christians got it from them so they could terrify their
children into believing in Jesus and Muhammad got it from them to
terrorize the Muslims.
Revelation 20
20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the
books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of
life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written
in the books, according to their works
20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast
into the lake of fire.
I ask you do you see any love, compassion or wisdom in any of this?
Affectionately, plata moya
All this is about Judaism. If you want to discuss or complain about
Judaism, our pristine Christian NGs are not the place. Christ came to
correct and amend the Tanakh and its old Covenant and to put new wine into
new wine-skins etc. He was totally against all of man's inhumanities to man,
and made the Royal Law and the Golden Rule below the first and most
important commandments for us all.
Pastor Frank
The most important, yet most ignored commandments of Christ, which would
make war, if not ALL of man's inhumanity to man extinct, nay totally
unthinkable:
THE ROYAL LAW OF CHRIST
**Jesus in Mk 12:30: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy
heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
strength: this is the first commandment.
**31: And the second is alike, namely this: Thou shalt love thy neighbour
as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
**Jesus in Mat 22:40 "All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two
commandments."
THE GOLDEN RULE OF CHRIST
Jesus in Matt. 7:12: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men
should do to you, do ye even so to them...."
"Christ came to
correct and amend the Tanakh and its old Covenant and to put new wine
into
new wine-skins etc"
Well said Pastor Frank. I couldn't have put it better myself!
Actually, I was discussing this with several Jewish friends who live
locally. They told me that most Jews now believe of Jesus Christ and
the only few who don't, can't think for themselves and are only
hypnotically repeating what they have been told from birth.
"Give me a child until he is seven and I will give you the man!"
Naughty boy.
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06 Oct 2005 08:03:15 PM |
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On 6-Oct-2005, "Pastor Hank" <houseofglass@hotmail.com> wrote:
Actually, I was discussing this with several Jewish friends who live
locally. They told me that most Jews now believe of Jesus Christ and
the only few who don't, can't think for themselves and are only
hypnotically repeating what they have been told from birth.
What a pathetic little desperate liar you are.
(Or am I being trolled?
You can never tell - these fundies are SO far out that reality
seems to be in a different *universe* from where they are)
Susan
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07 Oct 2005 07:22:49 AM |
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wrote:
On 6-Oct-2005, "Pastor Hank" <houseofglass@hotmail.com> wrote:
Actually, I was discussing this with several Jewish friends who live
locally. They told me that most Jews now believe of Jesus Christ and
the only few who don't, can't think for themselves and are only
hypnotically repeating what they have been told from birth.
What a pathetic little desperate liar you are.
(Or am I being trolled?
You can never tell - these fundies are SO far out that reality
seems to be in a different *universe* from where they are)
Susan
I kid you not. In fact they said although I was a guy, I was an ok guy.
At least thats what i thought they said. Strangely, they seemed to
think my wife was a guy as well?
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12 Oct 2005 02:08:57 AM |
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On 7-Oct-2005, "Pastor Hank" <houseofglass@hotmail.com> wrote:
flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
On 6-Oct-2005, "Pastor Hank" <houseofglass@hotmail.com> wrote:
Actually, I was discussing this with several Jewish friends who live
locally. They told me that most Jews now believe of Jesus Christ and
the only few who don't, can't think for themselves and are only
hypnotically repeating what they have been told from birth.
What a pathetic little desperate liar you are.
(Or am I being trolled?
You can never tell - these fundies are SO far out that reality
seems to be in a different *universe* from where they are)
I kid you not. In fact they said although I was a guy, I was an ok guy.
At least thats what i thought they said. Strangely, they seemed to
think my wife was a guy as well?
I never mind admitting that I've been trolled if said troll was at least
funny.
Susan
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| User: "Captn sensible" |
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06 Oct 2005 07:24:27 AM |
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Pastor Hank wrote:
"Give me a child until he is seven and I will give you the man!"
The way my parents reworded it was "Indoctrinate a child with my
beliefs until he is seven, and I will give you a brainwashed man". With
the caveat that it applies to most people, in any subject, including
but not limited to both theists and atheists as well.
They also told me that ANY belief or non belief tends to restrict the
learning proccess, because if any new information comes to light which
doesn't fit in with one's personal reality, it will be rejected as
nonsense. But there's always the posibility that one can break out if
they so choose.
Another saying I learned early on in life is :- Keep an open mind, but
not so open that your brain could fall out!
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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07 Oct 2005 08:18:19 PM |
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"Captn sensible" <binnidle@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1128601467.884053.231240@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Pastor Hank wrote:
"Give me a child until he is seven and I will give you the man!"
The way my parents reworded it was "Indoctrinate a child with my
beliefs until he is seven, and I will give you a brainwashed man". With
the caveat that it applies to most people, in any subject, including
but not limited to both theists and atheists as well.
They also told me that ANY belief or non belief tends to restrict the
learning proccess, because if any new information comes to light which
doesn't fit in with one's personal reality, it will be rejected as
nonsense. But there's always the posibility that one can break out if
they so choose.
Yes. That's how we get people like Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot et al, who
"broke out" of their parent's expectation of them to be _good boys_ , if not
the expectations of their society as well. They thought out their very own,
personal and private code of ethics, caring nothing about anyone's else's
opinions or social convention, which they regarded as the mark of
"brainwashed" people. Thus, their individualism and hubris had no bounds.
I think everyone should be "brainwashed" to "reject as nonsense" the
very idea of mass murder, if not the entire atrocity of war, don't you
think?
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| User: "Captn sensible" |
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08 Oct 2005 07:12:19 AM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Captn sensible" <binnidle@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1128601467.884053.231240@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Pastor Hank wrote:
"Give me a child until he is seven and I will give you the man!"
The way my parents reworded it was "Indoctrinate a child with my
beliefs until he is seven, and I will give you a brainwashed man". With
the caveat that it applies to most people, in any subject, including
but not limited to both theists and atheists as well.
They also told me that ANY belief or non belief tends to restrict the
learning proccess, because if any new information comes to light which
doesn't fit in with one's personal reality, it will be rejected as
nonsense. But there's always the posibility that one can break out if
they so choose.
Yes. That's how we get people like Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot et al, who
"broke out" of their parent's expectation of them to be _good boys_ , if not
the expectations of their society as well. They thought out their very own,
personal and private code of ethics, caring nothing about anyone's else's
opinions or social convention, which they regarded as the mark of
"brainwashed" people. Thus, their individualism and hubris had no bounds.
These people you mention had many signs of being psycopaths in my
opinion, but it's a mistake to automatically assume that every
parents ambition is to teach their offspring to be -good boys- like you
are trying make out. If some parents don't have ethics, and care
nothing for others, how do you think their kids are likely to turn out?
You seem to be stuck in the belief that every person who doesn't have
'god' in their life must be a law breaking criminal or have a
predisposition to do whatever they feel like doing with no
consideration for anyone else. You believe this even though there's
plenty of morally upstanding law abiding people who don't believe the
biblical old testament god.
This belief doesn't tally with reality. A person can strive, (and
many do), to live in the manner that Jesus postulated towards other
people even though they don't believe he was 'thee' son of the
old testament god.
On the other hand, there's quite a few otherwise morally uptanding
biblical god believers who wouldn't give it a second thought to go
mass killing innocent people if they were convinced that god ordered
them to do it. There's plenty of evidence for this, just study
history.
BTW, wasn't Hitler a christian, who thought god was giving him
instructions? I could be wrong but I think it was in a biography about
him?
I think everyone should be "brainwashed" to "reject as nonsense" the
very idea of mass murder, if not the entire atrocity of war, don't you
think?
At least we agree on something Frank. Now please tell me who you
believe is doing the mass murder of mostly innocent people at the
moment, what do you believe is the religious orientation of the most
ardent supporters of it, and are they being brainwashed, as you just
suggested?
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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08 Oct 2005 02:30:02 PM |
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"Captn sensible" <binnidle@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1128773539.281602.63450@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Captn sensible" <binnidle@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1128601467.884053.231240@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Pastor Hank wrote:
"Give me a child until he is seven and I will give you the man!"
The way my parents reworded it was "Indoctrinate a child with my
beliefs until he is seven, and I will give you a brainwashed man". With
the caveat that it applies to most people, in any subject, including
but not limited to both theists and atheists as well.
They also told me that ANY belief or non belief tends to restrict the
learning proccess, because if any new information comes to light which
doesn't fit in with one's personal reality, it will be rejected as
nonsense. But there's always the posibility that one can break out if
they so choose.
Yes. That's how we get people like Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot et al, who
"broke out" of their parent's expectation of them to be _good boys_ , if
not
the expectations of their society as well. They thought out their very
own,
personal and private code of ethics, caring nothing about anyone's else's
opinions or social convention, which they regarded as the mark of
"brainwashed" people. Thus, their individualism and hubris had no bounds.
These people you mention had many signs of being psycopaths in my
opinion, but it's a mistake to automatically assume that every
parents ambition is to teach their offspring to be -good boys- like you
are trying make out. If some parents don't have ethics, and care
nothing for others, how do you think their kids are likely to turn out?
You seem to be stuck in the belief that every person who doesn't have
'god' in their life must be a law breaking criminal or have a
predisposition to do whatever they feel like doing with no
consideration for anyone else. You believe this even though there's
plenty of morally upstanding law abiding people who don't believe the
biblical old testament god.
This belief doesn't tally with reality. A person can strive, (and
many do), to live in the manner that Jesus postulated towards other
people even though they don't believe he was 'thee' son of the
old testament god.
On the other hand, there's quite a few otherwise morally uptanding
biblical god believers who wouldn't give it a second thought to go
mass killing innocent people if they were convinced that god ordered
them to do it. There's plenty of evidence for this, just study
history.
BTW, wasn't Hitler a christian, who thought god was giving him
instructions? I could be wrong but I think it was in a biography about
him?
I think everyone should be "brainwashed" to "reject as nonsense" the
very idea of mass murder, if not the entire atrocity of war, don't you
think?
At least we agree on something Frank. Now please tell me who you
believe is doing the mass murder of mostly innocent people at the
moment, what do you believe is the religious orientation of the most
ardent supporters of it, and are they being brainwashed, as you just
suggested?
I am talking about ideals to believe in, and to pursue, as articulated
and demonstrated by the new Testament protagonist Jesus Christ, making for a
purposeful life. He is our paradigm.
Make up you mind please whether you advocate we shouldn't have any
ideals, but just do what comes natural, or whether you would like to advance
someone else that would serve as a model to follow. Just telling us, that
not all who profess Christ are following Him, or that there are plenty of
people who live moral lives without knowing Jesus, is just a mere truism and
a waste of time.
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09 Oct 2005 01:03:07 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Captn sensible" <binnidle@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
I think everyone should be "brainwashed" to "reject as nonsense" the
very idea of mass murder, if not the entire atrocity of war, don't you
think?
At least we agree on something Frank. Now please tell me who you
believe is doing the mass murder of mostly innocent people at the
moment, what do you believe is the religious orientation of the most
ardent supporters of it, and are they being brainwashed, as you just
suggested?
I am talking about ideals to believe in, and to pursue, as articulated
and demonstrated by the new Testament protagonist Jesus Christ, making for a
purposeful life. He is our paradigm.
I must be psychic Frank. I had a feeling I wasn't going to get a direct
answer to the question I asked :)
Make up you mind please whether you advocate we shouldn't have any
ideals, but just do what comes natural, or whether you would like to advance
someone else that would serve as a model to follow.
Yes of course we should have ideals, but I disagree with your tenet
that one must have a model to follow in order to strive for them.
There's no need.
Just telling us, that
not all who profess Christ are following Him, or that there are plenty of
people who live moral lives without knowing Jesus, is just a mere truism and
a waste of time.
I did not say "not all who profess Christ are following Him". Please
read it again. There is much stuff alledged to have been said by Jesus
and in the NT and some traits of his personallity, that tallies with my
own orientation and how I try to live. I often stumble, but I just
shrug my shoulders and resolve to try not to make the same mistake
again. I see no reason to keep calling these lapses as sinfull and have
to pray to some deity for forgiveness.
And it might be a mere truism, but I personally don't think it's a
waste of time.
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08 Oct 2005 07:32:55 AM |
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Captn sensible wrote:
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Captn sensible" <binnidle@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1128601467.884053.231240@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
... as you just suggested?
Sorry Frank. Please ignore this bit.
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05 Oct 2005 07:21:40 PM |
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You are the one who came onto a Jewish group and started spewing your
Jewish Hatred and missionising rubbish! You fucking hypocrite.
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
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: All this is about Judaism. If you want to discuss or complain about
: Judaism, our pristine Christian NGs are not the place. Christ came to
: correct and amend the Tanakh and its old Covenant and to put new wine
into
: new wine-skins etc. He was totally against all of man's inhumanities
to man,
: and made the Royal Law and the Golden Rule below the first and most
: important commandments for us all.
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: Pastor Frank
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