There are better books on Nostradamus that Erika Cheetham's -- and
Nostradamus books are in absolute abundance these days.....
Avoid coffee tablish books -- these are basically rubbish and a waste
of money -- and be discerning in your choice as books cost heaps these
days....
Second hand bookstores and esoteric/new age book shops are the best
places to find books on prophecy & Nostradamus.....
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Peter Lemesurier <lemesur@bengalzapyethisvillas.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:<dokbkvclllj3b4ch98ibsgngb7g4rlhjto@4ax.com>...
On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 21:30:08 +0200, "Michael Cornelissen"
<root@127.0.0.1> either wrote or (if so marked) quoted:
Hi,
I'm looking to buy one of EC's books but it appears that they are very
similar. Any good suggestions on which too buy.
I get the idea that most of them are more or less the same.
Well the first and the last are...
/Michael Cornelissen
The most recent of Erika Cheetham's (before she died in 1998) was 'The
Final Prophecies of Nostradamus' (1990) -- but of course a huge amount
of original research has been done since then, revealing a whole range
of facts that she never dreamed of.
Her French reprint of the 1568 edition isn't bad, but the translations
are pretty awful, and the interpretations... well...
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I'm mostly looking for new and different angles.
I'm not working with abolute predefined facts but with chance-vectors.
Maybe Peter can suggest a good book for me to read.
/Michael Cornelissen
"World War Three 2003" <worldwarthree2003@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c6cdac60.0308222025.4b05b3af@posting.google.com...
There are better books on Nostradamus that Erika Cheetham's -- and
Nostradamus books are in absolute abundance these days.....
Avoid coffee tablish books -- these are basically rubbish and a waste
of money -- and be discerning in your choice as books cost heaps these
days....
Second hand bookstores and esoteric/new age book shops are the best
places to find books on prophecy & Nostradamus.....
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Peter Lemesurier <lemesur@bengalzapyethisvillas.demon.co.uk> wrote in
message news:<dokbkvclllj3b4ch98ibsgngb7g4rlhjto@4ax.com>...
On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 21:30:08 +0200, "Michael Cornelissen"
<root@127.0.0.1> either wrote or (if so marked) quoted:
Hi,
I'm looking to buy one of EC's books but it appears that they are very
similar. Any good suggestions on which too buy.
I get the idea that most of them are more or less the same.
Well the first and the last are...
/Michael Cornelissen
The most recent of Erika Cheetham's (before she died in 1998) was 'The
Final Prophecies of Nostradamus' (1990) -- but of course a huge amount
of original research has been done since then, revealing a whole range
of facts that she never dreamed of.
Her French reprint of the 1568 edition isn't bad, but the translations
are pretty awful, and the interpretations... well...
.
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26 Aug 2003 06:58:45 PM |
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"Michael Cornelissen" <root@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
news:3f4b6b54$0$132$1b62eedf@news.wanadoo.nl...
I'm mostly looking for new and different angles.
I'm not working with abolute predefined facts but with chance-vectors.
Maybe Peter can suggest a good book for me to read.
/Michael Cornelissen
"World War Three 2003" <worldwarthree2003@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c6cdac60.0308222025.4b05b3af@posting.google.com...
There are better books on Nostradamus that Erika Cheetham's -- and
Nostradamus books are in absolute abundance these days.....
Avoid coffee tablish books -- these are basically rubbish and a waste
of money -- and be discerning in your choice as books cost heaps these
days....
Second hand bookstores and esoteric/new age book shops are the best
places to find books on prophecy & Nostradamus.....
Yes indeed there are some "beauties" out there most though seem to publish
for profit and though might give some insight they are by and large a time
waster, Cheatham for instance is probably more famous for popularising
Nostradamus than adding anything about the works she worked the idea that
the 3rd Antichrist was the chap in the last passage of the Bible and would
appear in 1999 complete with a takeover this was coloured by her assumption
that the Ayotollah Khomeini was Mr Blue Turban she actually was more like a
drunk at the wheel than an interpretation of Nostradamus, Hogue for
instance is an each way bettor he throws a whole phone book of explanation
and is sort of hung up on Mabus who might be Bush Saddam anyone with these
letters in his name and he is just around the corner waiting to die before
the comets runs!
There are others who really need an American focus [read book sales] so
again we shoot off to the climax of the Bible for a start and finish
scenario with all the actors appearing at once and Jesus coming like the
cavalry for a divine finish.
Yes some good gullible grabbers out there
Look for objective and restrained like Leoni or Le Vert.
LB
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On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:15:03 +0200, "Michael Cornelissen"
<root@127.0.0.1> either wrote or (if so marked) quoted:
I'm mostly looking for new and different angles.
I'm not working with abolute predefined facts but with chance-vectors.
Maybe Peter can suggest a good book for me to read.
FAQ re books in English on Nostradamus (last updated 22/8/02):
Q. Where can I find reliable Nostradamus translations?
A. Reliable Nostradamus texts and translations are not easy to find.
Roberts (1947) is extremely untrustworthy on both counts. Cheetham and
Hogue at least supply reasonable French texts, but their translations
(Hogue's in particular) should be taken with more than a pinch of
salt. Possibly the least 'twisted' of the available translations are
Leoni's of 1961/82, though they are also extremely crude and literal.
FAQs B and C (posted here occasionally) point out some of the faults
in the traditional renderings.
Details follow:
FAQS RE BOOKS BY DOLORES CANNON
1,2,3 'CONVERSATIONS WITH NOSTRADAMUS' Vols 1, 2, 3 (America
West/Ozark Mountain, 1989 onwards: A.W.'s Vol 2 has ISBN
0-922356-01-7)
Engaging series in which psychologically regressed subjects persuade
the living 'Nostradamus' to interpret his own quatrains on chosen
subjects. Unsurprisingly, he fails to recognise many of the
translations offered - nor is this series the place to look for such
translations. The resulting individual interpretations will raise many
purist eyebrows, but the general picture of the future offered is
remarkably in accord with more literalist views. Notable for the
suggestion that the seer may have seen the future through our own
eyes.
Vol.1 is appparently available on audiotape - though it's not stated
whether Nostradamus contributed personally!
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FAQS RE BOOKS BY ERIKA CHEETHAM
1. 'THE PROPHECIES OF NOSTRADAMUS' (Corgi [ISBN 0 552 09828
0]/Perigree [ISBN ? 339 10995 1], 1973; Berkley, 1981)
'Classic' reprint of the 1568 edition of the regular Centuries, with
potted and very unreliable biography, literal translations (Erika
apparently specialised in Provencal, not French), often erroneous
etymological notes and commentary. In its day, probably did more to
bring Nostradamus back into public consciousness than any other book.
2. 'THE FURTHER PROPHECIES OF NOSTRADAMUS' (Corgi [ISBN 0 552 12299
8]/Perigree, 1985-91)
A thematic survey (with potted biography) covering selected
Nostradamus prophecies and comparing them with those of other
prophets, with special reference to modern times.
3. 'THE FINAL PROPHECIES OF NOSTRADAMUS' (Futura [ISBN 0 7088 4333
6]/Perigree, 1989)
The same prophecies as in 1. above, but this time in an exact
transcription of the 1568 edition (extremely valuable), with expanded
biographical information and commentaries.
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FAQs RE EDGAR LEONI'S WRITINGS
Edgar Leoni: 'Nostradamus, Life and Literature' (NY, Exposition Press,
1961), re-published as 'Nostradamus and his Prophecies' (NY,
Bell/Wings, 1982):
Leoni's huge compendium is extraordinarily comprehensive and
businesslike. It offers a rather unreliable biography uncorrected by
later research (understandably: it first came out in 1961), and then
quotes all the Prophecies (from selected editions) in French,
including the Presages, Sixains and 'extra' quatrains - though,
unbelievably, it actually sees fit to 'modernise' the spellings of the
first two. It also includes Nostradamus's Will and his letters to M.
Morel and the canons of Orange, as well as the spurious prophecies of
Olivarius and Orval. Throughout, Leoni (not a linguist or translator,
but a historian) offers absolutely literal 'translations' that
unfortunately ignore the significant niceties of the French syntax,
plus effusive and often rather eccentric interpretations, both
original and cited. There are rare illustrations, really useful
indexes and a bibliography.
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FAQS RE BOOKS BY HENRY ROBERTS
1. 'THE COMPLETE PROPHECIES OF NOSTRADAMUS' (Grafton/Nostradamus Co.,
1985; new 'Millennium Edition' available . . . [?]; original edition
published as long ago as 1947)
The complete French text of the regular Centuries, plus the 25 or so
'extra' verses that may or not be by Nostradamus, based on
Garenciere's edition of 1672 (unfortunately very corrupt) - which
makes for a useful textual comparison with Cheetham and Fontbrune
(qv). All are accompanied by literal translations and brief
commentaries that are sometimes insightful, if geographically and
historically rather wilder than Cheetham's. Also translations of the
Preface to Cesar and the Letter to Henri II. Index to interpretations.
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FAQS RE BOOKS BY JEAN-CHARLES DE FONTBRUNE
1. 'NOSTRADAMUS 1: COUNTDOWN TO APOCALYPSE' (Pan, 1984; Henry Holt
[ISBN 0 330 28062 7]/Owl, NY, 1987/Cresset Books, 1993 (both volumes
combined)
2. 'NOSTRADAMUS 2: INTO THE TWENTY-FIRST CENTURY' (details as above:
ISBN 0 8050 0599 4)/Cresset Books, 1993 (both columes combined)
Building on his father's admirable work, the author presents one of
the first attempts at sequencing some 600 of Nostradamus's prophecies,
which are presented in the French of the 1605 edition (which makes a
useful comparison with earlier editions), with interpretations (widely
regarded in France as somewhat controversial) rather than
translations. The commentary consists largely of extensive quotations
translated from somewhat obtuse French history-books. Unfortunately,
the verse-index to both volumes is to be found only at the end of
Volume Two.
Original French titles (contributed by Claude Latremouille):
NOSTRADAMUS, HISTORIEN ET PROPHÈTE, Éditions du Rocher, 1980
ISBN 2-268-00088-5
NOSTRADAMUS, HISTORIEN ET PROPHÈTE TOME II, Éditions France-Amérique,
1982 ISBN 2-89-001-150-X
HISTOIRE ET PROPHÉTIE DES PAPES, Éditions du Rocher, 1984
ISBN 2-268-00328-0
3. (contributed by Jean Guernon) "Monsieur de Nostradamus (1503-1566)
Biographie": Éditions Ramsay (June 1997) ISBN : 2-84114-282-5.
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FAQS RE BOOKS BY JOHN HOGUE
1. 'NOSTRADAMUS AND THE MILLENNIUM' (Bloomsbury, 1987 [no ISBN])
Well-produced coffee-table book featuring a brief biography of
Nostradamus (apparently based to some extent on Cheetham), followed by
some of the major prophecies in heavily-'interpreted' translations,
supported by lavish illlustrations (b/w and colour). Some dire
predictions (many of them long since superseded by actual events),
including some for a Third World War about now, followed by a thousand
years of peace.
2. 'NOSTRADAMUS: THE NEW REVELATIONS' (Element, 1994 [ISBN
1-85230-535-5] via Penguin/Viking Penguin// Barnes and Noble Books,
1995 [ISBN 1-56619-948-4]
Superbly produced coffee-table book, even more lavishly illustrated
than its predecessor, completing Hogue's series of selected
interpretations supporting his thesis of imminent Armageddon, followed
by a new Golden Age. The general 'feeling' is that of an honest
searcher who is possibly a little too keen to place Nostradamus's
verses in a preconceived 'New Age' context. In view of this, readers
would be well advised take the literalist 'translations' with a just
pinch of salt.
3. NOSTRADAMUS: THE COMPLETE PROPHECIES (Element Books, April 1997,
ISBN 1-85230-959-8). 961 pages, no illustrations. £24.99 UK: $29.95
US: $39.99 Can.
Evidently Hogue's magnum opus, tying up all the loose ends left by the
earlier books. The complete Centuries (1568), the two letters (1568),
the 'extra quatrains' and the Presages (1605) in direct transcriptions
of the original text (old long 's' and all), with literalistic
'translations' and characteristic interpretations. Traditional potted
(if dated) biography. Brief technical section. Extensive bibliography.
Useful index. Makes a good door-stop, too.
4. THE LAST POPE : The Decline and Fall of the Church of Rome (Element
Books, 1998, £16.99 [UK]: ISBN 1 86204 202 0)
The prophecies of St Malachy: 366 pages: colour section.
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FAQS RE BOOKS BY PETER LEMESURIER
The following are details of prophecy-related titles by Peter
Lemesurier. Nos. 3, 4, 5 7 and 8 are mainly about Nostradamus. The
rest are more concerned with prophecy in general, and refer to him
only briefly. Other, non-relevant titles are not listed.
1. THE GREAT PYRAMID DECODED (Element, via Penguin, UK and Viking
Penguin, NY, 1977 onwards. Latest ISBN 1-85230-861-3.)
'Classic' ilustrated interpretation of the Great Pyramid as a
blueprint for human evolution to 3989 and beyond, listing detailed
measurements. Also available in translation (whether now or shortly)
in Brazil, Germany and Greece and, in full technicolour version, as
DECODING THE GREAT PYRAMID (Element, Hb, 255 pp, ISBN 1-86204-595-X).
2. THE ARMAGEDDON SCRIPT (Element, via Penguin, UK and Viking Penguin,
NY, 1981 onwards. Latest ISBN 0-906540-37-2.)
Provocative re-intepretation of the Jesus-initiative on the basis of
the Old Testament and Dead Sea Scrolls, together with the likely
prophetic consequences for the near future. Also available in
translation in Holland and Italy.
3. NOSTRADAMUS - THE NEXT FIFTY YEARS (Piatkus, London, 1993 [ISBN
0-7499-1303-7]; Berkley, NY, 1994 [ISBN 0-425-14433-X].)
Potted biography based on Cheetham (uncorrected by later research)
followed by the first sequenced English verse-translation of 430 or so
of the Prophecies in the 1568 edition, with commentary. Updated
reprint now available in UK @ £6-99 (ISBN 0.7499-1744-X).
4. NOSTRADAMUS: THE FINAL RECKONING (Piatkus, London, 1995 [ISBN
0-7499-1525-0]); Berkley, NY, 1997 [ISBN 0-425-15610-9])
Detailed timetable of events to AD 4500 based on Great Pyramid, Bible,
Malachy, Nostradamus, Cayce, Dixon, de Sabato, A.C.Clarke & Co.
Includes commentary, detailed maps of the coming Islamic invasion of
Europe and some further translated verses, mainly from the Sixains.
Revised reprint now available in UK @ £6-99 (ISBN 0-7499-1796-2).
Press reviews of this naturally tend to concentrate on the obvious
'misses' so far, while totally ignoring the 'hits'. Ah well...
Nos 3 and/or 4 above are also (or shortly will be) available in local
translation in the following countries: Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech
Republic, Denmark, Germany, Greece, Israel, Poland, Romania, Slovenia,
Taiwan, Thailand and Turkey.
5. THE NOSTRADAMUS ENCYCLOPEDIA (Godsfield, UK; St Martin's, NY,
October 1997)
Comprehensive and hopefully definitive colour-illustrated
reference-work, including numerous facsimiles, Nostradamus's family
tree, a Gazetteer and Who's Who, tourist guide to Salon, all the
Prophecies in the original French with English paraphrases,
Nostradamus dictionary, concordance etc. etc.
Publication details:
UK/Australia Thorsons (HarperCollins)
Paperback, full colour, 288 pages
ISBN 0 7225 3507 4
Price: £14.99
Available from 2nd November 1998
Beware, though - the publisher has changed the cover-title to
'Nostradamus: The mysteries of his predictions decoded' (!!) without
consulting me (ISBN 0 7225 3796 4)! Still orderable, though, as 'The
Nostradamus Encyclopedia'. Also available in Japanese from Toyo
Syorin, Tokyo, and in Italian from Gruppo Armenia.
US/Canada St Martin's Press, now available
Hardback, full colour, 288 pages
ISBN 0-312-17093-9
Price $29.95 US / $39.99 Canada
Also available via Book of the Month Club
[Now out of print in English, I believe, so only available second-hand
or from libraries.]
6. GODS OF THE DAWN
'The message of the.pyramids and the true Stargate mystery'. Basing
itself on Lemesurier (1. above), Bauval, Hancock et al., this proposes
that the Egyptian pyramids are in fact star-markers summoning us to an
eventual encounter with some vastly superior intelligence in the
region of Orion, rather along the lines of the monolith in '2001'.
Loads of supporting diagrams, and a section of colour-plates. Now
available from Thorsons UK (HarperCollins) at £14.99 [ISBN
0-7225-3459-X], and in the USA from Thorsons at $24.95, ISBN
0-7225-3549-X. UK paperback edition due out March 15th 1999 [ISBN
0-7225-3699-2]. Also available in Italian from Mondadori, and in
Japanese from Kosaido; Polish, Bulgarian, Czech and Dutch versions
pending.
7. NOSTRADAMUS AND BEYOND [Godsfield Press (David & Charles) UK [128
pages, colour-illustrated, ISBN 1-899434-39-9], and as 'Nostradamus
and Beyond' from Sterling Books, NY [ISBN 0-8069-9911-X].
A kind of supplement to the Nostradamus Encyclopedia, offering a few
new biographical details, and concluding with a whole section of
actual new prophecies based on the experimental application of the
seer's comparative horoscopy to events since his death.
[Now out of print in English, I believe, so only available second-hand
or from libraries.]
8. THE ESSENTIAL NOSTRADAMUS (Piatkus Books UK, 144 pp, January 28th
1999: ISBN 0-7499-1868-3).
Basically, this is about what the title says it's about, including How
Did He Do It? and How To Be Your Own Nostradamus. Including 'When and
where will the next Princess Diana die?' Based partially on Qs and As
already aired in a.p.n.
9. NOSTRADAMUS IN THE 21ST CENTURY (Piatkus Books UK, 2000, paperback,
325 pp., £8.99: ISBN 0-7499-2163-3).
Update and thorough revision of the original 'Nostradamus -- the Next
50 Years', including 100 new verse-translations, maps, charts and the
latest biographical and textual research. Available throughout the
world-wide traditional British publishing area: outside it, presumably
available form sources such as www.amazon.co.uk or www.bookshop.co.uk.
10. THE UNKNOWN NOSTRADAMUS
Subtitle: The essential biography for his 500th birthday (O-Books,
2003) 288 pp, plus 8 pages of colourpix. ISBN 1-903816-32-7 (hb),
1-903816-47-5 (pb). UK £17.99 hb, £14.99 pb. USA $27.95 hb
(subject to Amazon discount etc.)
Includes translated extracts from his popular cookbook, his Orus
Apollo, his annual Almanachs and his private correspondence, as well
as from Rabelais, Videl, Ronsard and his major source, the Mirabilis
liber of 1522/3.
* Covers all the essential facts of Nostradamus's life from birth
to death in the light of the latest research
* Contains full documentation in the form of translations of
surviving documents
* Reveals his little-known expulsion from medical college, his
probable lack of a doctorate and his imprisonment in 1561
* Traces his activities as an apothecary, canal-builder and writer
of cookbooks
* Traces for the first time in English print the known historical
origins of many of his Prophecies
* Reveals the theory of historical recapitulation underlying them,
as well as his astrological techniques and the cardboard computers
with which he almost certainly applied them
* Details many of the predictions in his best-selling annual
Almanachs, which were much better known and more widely sold at the
time than his Propheties
* Offers translations of many contemporary critiques of his work,
most of them previously unknown in English
* Concludes with a summary of the flagrant maltreatment of his
writings at the hands of the ‘Nostradamus industry’ ever since his
death, and of its dire results today
Orderable (whether or not their websites have yet caught up with the
fact!) from:
Amazon USA
Barnes & Noble USA
Amazon UK
O Books
via http://www.nostradamus500.com
or via your bookshop.
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FAQ RE BOOK BY IAN WILSON
NOSTRADAMUS: THE EVIDENCE (Orion, 2002,
hb, 304 pp, b/w photos and facsimiles, ISBN 0-75285-263-9; £20 in UK;
apparently not available in
USA, but presumably obtainable from www.amazon.co.uk or
www.bookshop.co.uk)
At last! -- ALL the currently known information on the life of
Nostradamus in English, except his historical sources and the actual
content of most of his Almanacs. Highly recommended.
--
Peter Lemesurier
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Peter
http://www.nostradamus500.com
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