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User: "Grantland"
Date: 15 Jan 2005 02:36:10 AM
Object: Re: How did T. rex scratch its back?
"Thomas R. Holtz, Jr." <
> wrote:

Cal King wrote:


In article <33F25913.D35@umail.umd.edu>,

(Thomas R. Holtz,
Jr. ) wrote...

The latest work (still unpublished) on T. rex forelimbs suggests it had a
strong grip. Even so, it had very limited mobility. Suggestions for use
include:
stabilizing prey while feeding;
display function;
grappling the female during mating (this one goes back to Osborn);
nonfunctional.

It is hard to test any of the above hypotheses at present.


My hypothesis: A massive pair of forelimbs would probably topple the bipedal
T. rex over easily since the center of gravity may then be shifted too high,
especially since T. rex already has a massive head. Forelimb reduction may be
an adaptation for better weight distribution. Reduced forelimb mass lowers
the center of gravity and alleviates the need for an unwieldly large tail as
counterweight.


Well, many of the large predatory dinosaurs had similar length, but much
more muscular forelimbs (Acrocanthosaurus, Giganotosaurus, etc.), and
comparable-sized Deinocheirus and Therizinosaurus had HUGE forelimbs. Of
course, Deinocheirus (an ornithomimosaur) and Therizinosaurus (a
therizinosaur aka segnosaur) had smaller heads than the large predatory
forms, but they had quite substantial necks to deal with.

T. rex (and many bipedal dinosaurs) may have converged upon
the modern day kangaroo in forelimb reduction, if not in locomotion.


Actually, many types of kangaroos have sizable forelimbs, but I agree
with the basic concept here.

I surmise that T. rex probably subdues its prey with its jaws while the
foreclaws dig in and cling to the prey's body for balance, in much the same
way that lions do.


See "stabilizing prey while feeding" in my list above.

The sharp claws on the hindlimbs may tear its victim's
abdomen while its jaws maintain grip.


Tyrannosaurid footclaws are (contrary to popular opinion) NOT very sharp
when compared to Allosaurus or other large predatory dinosaurs. They are
blunter (although not quite as blunt as in ornithomimids).

In order to reach the neck vertebrae of
its tall vegetarian prey, T. rex has to be tall.


The prey of T. rex (hadrosaurids and ceratopsids) were not terribly tall.

Hey! What about triceratops?

Although the sauropod Alamosaurus occurred in the southern part of T.
rex's range, it was probably not a major part of the diet of the theropod
over its whole range.

Heck, may be I am eligible for the Nobel prize for solving(?) -- or at least
guessing correctly -- the mystery of T. rex's little arms.


Sorry, no Nobel for paleontology (*sigh...*)

I LIKE TO THINK OF THE TYRANNOSAUR..
I like to think of the Tyrannosaur as a solitary beast,
Alone by choice and nature, aloof and so proud.
Á terrible arrogance and blazing omnipotent self
With room for no other.
I like to think of the Tyrannosaur as quite smart
In an evil kind of way
Most cruel and predatory cunning
A clawing sense of self; an expression of power
From the egg.
I like to think of Tyrannosaur coupling
As a rape -
A midnight ambush:
Bellowing- Hissing female in a grip
Moonlight shattered trees and dustclouds; the thunder of the earth.
And a rape.
(Male stalks contemptuous away thereafter)
I like to think of gawky young teenage Tyrannosaurs
Brutally rejected from the nest
Endless oafish savageries of sibling spite
Forgotten nor forgiven
Each alone.
I  like  to  think of a tough and  thuggish  young  apprentice
Tyrannosaur;
Only eight foot tall but rough and strong and smart
And ruthless-cruel -
Killing the locals.
Carving out a territory of (her) own
Plotting at the hated scabby weakling wrinkled ***** ...
In possession.
(She won't live forever...
I like to think of the monstrous young adult Tyrannosaur
Newly Victorious;
Grinningly scenting the air.
Cool and Cruel and battle-scarred and canny
- Knowing.
Hot blood erotic through every throbbing artery -
Ready to kill.
***
Grantland
.

User: "TaDa Pope"

Title: Re: How did T. rex scratch its back? 15 Jan 2005 02:50:13 PM

Subject: Re: How did T. rex scratch its back?
From:

(Grantland)
Date: 1/15/2005 12:36 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <41e8d238.101149585@ct-news.iafrica.com>

"Thomas R. Holtz, Jr." <
> wrote:

Cal King wrote:


In article <33F25913.D35@umail.umd.edu>,

(Thomas R.

Holtz,

Jr. ) wrote...

The latest work (still unpublished) on T. rex forelimbs suggests it had a
strong grip. Even so, it had very limited mobility. Suggestions for use
include:
stabilizing prey while feeding;
display function;
grappling the female during mating (this one goes back to Osborn);
nonfunctional.

It is hard to test any of the above hypotheses at present.


My hypothesis: A massive pair of forelimbs would probably topple the

bipedal

T. rex over easily since the center of gravity may then be shifted too

high,

especially since T. rex already has a massive head. Forelimb reduction

may be

an adaptation for better weight distribution. Reduced forelimb mass

lowers

the center of gravity and alleviates the need for an unwieldly large tail

as

counterweight.


Well, many of the large predatory dinosaurs had similar length, but much
more muscular forelimbs (Acrocanthosaurus, Giganotosaurus, etc.), and
comparable-sized Deinocheirus and Therizinosaurus had HUGE forelimbs. Of
course, Deinocheirus (an ornithomimosaur) and Therizinosaurus (a
therizinosaur aka segnosaur) had smaller heads than the large predatory
forms, but they had quite substantial necks to deal with.

T. rex (and many bipedal dinosaurs) may have converged upon
the modern day kangaroo in forelimb reduction, if not in locomotion.


Actually, many types of kangaroos have sizable forelimbs, but I agree
with the basic concept here.

I surmise that T. rex probably subdues its prey with its jaws while the
foreclaws dig in and cling to the prey's body for balance, in much the

same

way that lions do.


See "stabilizing prey while feeding" in my list above.

The sharp claws on the hindlimbs may tear its victim's
abdomen while its jaws maintain grip.


Tyrannosaurid footclaws are (contrary to popular opinion) NOT very sharp
when compared to Allosaurus or other large predatory dinosaurs. They are
blunter (although not quite as blunt as in ornithomimids).

In order to reach the neck vertebrae of
its tall vegetarian prey, T. rex has to be tall.


The prey of T. rex (hadrosaurids and ceratopsids) were not terribly tall.


Hey! What about triceratops?

Although the sauropod Alamosaurus occurred in the southern part of T.
rex's range, it was probably not a major part of the diet of the theropod
over its whole range.

Heck, may be I am eligible for the Nobel prize for solving(?) -- or at

least

guessing correctly -- the mystery of T. rex's little arms.


Sorry, no Nobel for paleontology (*sigh...*)


I LIKE TO THINK OF THE TYRANNOSAUR..

I like to think of the Tyrannosaur as a solitary beast,
Alone by choice and nature, aloof and so proud.
Á terrible arrogance and blazing omnipotent self
With room for no other.

I like to think of the Tyrannosaur as quite smart
In an evil kind of way
Most cruel and predatory cunning
A clawing sense of self; an expression of power
From the egg.

I like to think of Tyrannosaur coupling
As a rape -
A midnight ambush:
Bellowing- Hissing female in a grip
Moonlight shattered trees and dustclouds; the thunder of the earth.
And a rape.
(Male stalks contemptuous away thereafter)

I like to think of gawky young teenage Tyrannosaurs
Brutally rejected from the nest
Endless oafish savageries of sibling spite
Forgotten nor forgiven
Each alone.

I  like  to  think of a tough and  thuggish  young  apprentice
Tyrannosaur;
Only eight foot tall but rough and strong and smart
And ruthless-cruel -
Killing the locals.

Carving out a territory of (her) own
Plotting at the hated scabby weakling wrinkled ***** ...
In possession.
(She won't live forever...

I like to think of the monstrous young adult Tyrannosaur
Newly Victorious;
Grinningly scenting the air.
Cool and Cruel and battle-scarred and canny
- Knowing.

Hot blood erotic through every throbbing artery -


Ready to kill.

***

Grantland







You go Grantland - you go on about it
all with great chastizement and vigor.
Now to get back to the question of the subject. The T.rex used a back
scratcher
that he had carved for his own personal use from a giant mahogany.
Somewhere on my website I have a animated picture of the T-rex doing this.
Tangents are infinite in all of nature in
all universes constantly and at random.
* D OUOSVAVV M *
*PUBLIUS ENIGMA*
Oh Joy!
The Psychedelic Pope
Patron Saint of the Internet
http://www.apple2.org.za/gswv/me/
.
User: "All In"

Title: Re: How did T. rex scratch its back? 17 Jan 2005 02:07:05 AM
There was a stand up comedian who did a bit about T-Rex being unable to
masturbate because of his short arms, which made T-Rex such a vicioyus
killer.
"TaDa Pope" <tadapope@aol.comWOMP> wrote in message
news:20050115155013.12708.00000045@mb-m24.aol.com...

Subject: Re: How did T. rex scratch its back?
From:

(Grantland)
Date: 1/15/2005 12:36 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <41e8d238.101149585@ct-news.iafrica.com>

"Thomas R. Holtz, Jr." <
> wrote:

Cal King wrote:


In article <33F25913.D35@umail.umd.edu>,

(Thomas R.

Holtz,

Jr. ) wrote...

The latest work (still unpublished) on T. rex forelimbs suggests it

had a

strong grip. Even so, it had very limited mobility. Suggestions for

use

include:
stabilizing prey while feeding;
display function;
grappling the female during mating (this one goes back to Osborn);
nonfunctional.

It is hard to test any of the above hypotheses at present.


My hypothesis: A massive pair of forelimbs would probably topple the

bipedal

T. rex over easily since the center of gravity may then be shifted too

high,

especially since T. rex already has a massive head. Forelimb

reduction

may be

an adaptation for better weight distribution. Reduced forelimb mass

lowers

the center of gravity and alleviates the need for an unwieldly large

tail

as

counterweight.


Well, many of the large predatory dinosaurs had similar length, but much
more muscular forelimbs (Acrocanthosaurus, Giganotosaurus, etc.), and
comparable-sized Deinocheirus and Therizinosaurus had HUGE forelimbs.

Of

course, Deinocheirus (an ornithomimosaur) and Therizinosaurus (a
therizinosaur aka segnosaur) had smaller heads than the large predatory
forms, but they had quite substantial necks to deal with.

T. rex (and many bipedal dinosaurs) may have converged upon
the modern day kangaroo in forelimb reduction, if not in locomotion.


Actually, many types of kangaroos have sizable forelimbs, but I agree
with the basic concept here.

I surmise that T. rex probably subdues its prey with its jaws while

the

foreclaws dig in and cling to the prey's body for balance, in much the

same

way that lions do.


See "stabilizing prey while feeding" in my list above.

The sharp claws on the hindlimbs may tear its victim's
abdomen while its jaws maintain grip.


Tyrannosaurid footclaws are (contrary to popular opinion) NOT very sharp
when compared to Allosaurus or other large predatory dinosaurs. They

are

blunter (although not quite as blunt as in ornithomimids).

In order to reach the neck vertebrae of
its tall vegetarian prey, T. rex has to be tall.


The prey of T. rex (hadrosaurids and ceratopsids) were not terribly

tall.


Hey! What about triceratops?

Although the sauropod Alamosaurus occurred in the southern part of T.
rex's range, it was probably not a major part of the diet of the

theropod

over its whole range.

Heck, may be I am eligible for the Nobel prize for solving(?) -- or at

least

guessing correctly -- the mystery of T. rex's little arms.


Sorry, no Nobel for paleontology (*sigh...*)


I LIKE TO THINK OF THE TYRANNOSAUR..

I like to think of the Tyrannosaur as a solitary beast,
Alone by choice and nature, aloof and so proud.
Á terrible arrogance and blazing omnipotent self
With room for no other.

I like to think of the Tyrannosaur as quite smart
In an evil kind of way
Most cruel and predatory cunning
A clawing sense of self; an expression of power
From the egg.

I like to think of Tyrannosaur coupling
As a rape -
A midnight ambush:
Bellowing- Hissing female in a grip
Moonlight shattered trees and dustclouds; the thunder of the earth.
And a rape.
(Male stalks contemptuous away thereafter)

I like to think of gawky young teenage Tyrannosaurs
Brutally rejected from the nest
Endless oafish savageries of sibling spite
Forgotten nor forgiven
Each alone.

I like to think of a tough and thuggish young apprentice
Tyrannosaur;
Only eight foot tall but rough and strong and smart
And ruthless-cruel -
Killing the locals.

Carving out a territory of (her) own
Plotting at the hated scabby weakling wrinkled ***** ...
In possession.
(She won't live forever...

I like to think of the monstrous young adult Tyrannosaur
Newly Victorious;
Grinningly scenting the air.
Cool and Cruel and battle-scarred and canny
- Knowing.

Hot blood erotic through every throbbing artery -


Ready to kill.

***

Grantland








You go Grantland - you go on about it
all with great chastizement and vigor.

Now to get back to the question of the subject. The T.rex used a back
scratcher
that he had carved for his own personal use from a giant mahogany.

Somewhere on my website I have a animated picture of the T-rex doing this.


Tangents are infinite in all of nature in
all universes constantly and at random.
* D OUOSVAVV M *
*PUBLIUS ENIGMA*
Oh Joy!
The Psychedelic Pope
Patron Saint of the Internet

http://www.apple2.org.za/gswv/me/




.
User: "=?iso-8859-1?B?TGEgYm91Y2hlIGRlIGxhIHbpcml06SAtIETpauAgVnUgTGUgUHJvcGjpdGU=?="

Title: Re: How did T. rex scratch its back? 17 Jan 2005 02:08:52 AM
perhaps it did it sitting down & not standing up....
Contemplate on that one !!! ;-)
Hooroo / Toodles ;-)
Uncle Wally ;-)
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User: "=?iso-8859-1?B?TGEgYm91Y2hlIGRlIGxhIHbpcml06SAtIETpauAgVnUgTGUgUHJvcGjpdGU=?="

Title: Re: How did T. rex scratch its back? 16 Jan 2005 01:37:28 AM
yOUR uNCLE wALLY bET ON A hORSE oNCE ON a CUNTRY rACE tRACK.......
it was called "ITCHY BUM"
but unfortunately for your Uncle Wally, the horse was scratched
!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hooroo / Toodles ;-)
Uncle Wally ;-)
=======================================================
.
User: "TaDa Pope"

Title: Re: How did T. rex scratch its back? 16 Jan 2005 11:44:53 AM
It let its mate scratch its back with its claws.
Tangents are infinite in all of nature in
all universes constantly and at random.
* D OUOSVAVV M *
*PUBLIUS ENIGMA*
Oh Joy!
The Psychedelic Pope
Patron Saint of the Internet
http://www.apple2.org.za/gswv/me/
.




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