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User: "Daniel babylon@usa"
Date: 11 Dec 2007 07:41:45 PM
Object: Re: How would you explain atheism to 5 year olds?
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007, "Jesus Is Awesome!" <jesus@elvisfan.com> wrote:

On Dec 11, 2:49 pm, "_ Prof. Jonez _" <thep...@jonez.net> wrote:

beartiger....@gmail.com wrote:

Following the "my daughter is Jewish" thread, suppose you were to
present atheism to a class of kindergarteners. How would you do it?


Children are ALREADY Atheists.
It's only AFTER their minds are polluted and poisoned by the repugnat
superstitions of adults that they become ignorant imbeciles.


It's our obligation as parents to save our children from eternal
damnation.

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The most important thing for parents to teach their children
is to always believe the testimony of Jesus Christ, and that
anyone who disagrees with Jesus Christ is a God-damned Liar,
a God-damned Coward, and a God-damned Murderer(!) who shall
absolutely definitely *DIE* someday soon, and their filthy
evil souls shall absolutely definitely *BURN* in Hellfire!
The first Bible verse that children should be taught is
found at Luke 19:27, where Jesus _explicitly_ instructs
Christians that "The only good Atheist is a dead Atheist!"
Jesus makes that perfectly clear. Thus Luke 19:27 should
become the central mantra of Christians against Atheists.
Also, always warn children *NEVER* to pledge allegiance to
the hard-line Anti-Christian Atheist U.S. Government (flag),
and that the public schools are the Churches of Antichrists,
Synagogues of Satan, the Classrooms of Atheism! So children
should always call the Atheist teachers/clergymen God-damned
Liars, God-damned Cowards, and God-damned Murderers! Because
that's absolutely, definitely, precisely, what Atheists are.
Warn children that the U.S. Government is the ***** of Babylon,
and the U.S. Military is the beast she rides. And warn children
that these are the prophesied end-times, the great tribulation,
Armageddon unto the end of the world. And that the Christian's
reward awaits our Immortal souls in heaven, but the only reward
of this world belongs to U.S. Government-supporting Anti-Christ
Atheists, but not for Christians. Our reward requires our death
in exchange for that heavenly bliss which awaits each one of us
in heaven. Thus Christians should pray for the end of the world.
Pray that persons with the wherewithall shall ignite Armageddon.
Thus warn children that nuclear and most especially biological
warfare, verily World War III, is our only Christian salvation
in this world. So Christians everywhere should humbly pray in
earnest and incessantly for the Armageddon clock to strike the
midnight hour: Pray that the Atheists are *FORCED* into WWIII!
Also, all Christians who drive a motor vehicle on America's
roads, streets and highways, make a bumper sticker that says:
LUKE 19:27
And display it proudly on the rear bumper of all your cars and
trucks. That way, every time an Atheist sees it, you can be sure
it upsets them. And after all, every God-fearing Christian in the
world's primary goal in life should be to always disturb Atheists,
and to scream out the most caustic, vitriolic, seething, bellicose
and perfectly justified accusations against the self-aggrandizing
mammon-worshipping Rabidly Anti-Christian Atheist U.S. Government.
Pray for Armageddon, and always talk about Armageddon, especially
toward Atheists. And constantly remind Atheists that the end of the
world is imminent, with December 21, 2012 barely five years away at
this writing. Remind Atheists they shall die and roast in Hellfire!
That's what all good Christian parents should be teaching children.
And be sure to remind children that all Atheists are Rabid inhuman
animals that cannot ever be negotiated with, neither bargained with
nor reasoned with, if not through the judicious use of thermonuclear
and extremely-virulent pathogenic weapons like Ebola, Marburg, etc.,
since the most effective weapons-grade virus has the greatest kill-
power, and also has the greatest resistance to their vaccines, all
which will make Christians sing Praises to the LORD all day long!
Armageddon Cometh,
Daniel Joseph Min
http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/danieljosephmin/
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User: "MAT"

Title: Re: How would you explain atheism to 5 year olds? 12 Dec 2007 01:03:15 AM
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 11, 5:41 pm, Daniel <babylon@usa> wrote:


The most important thing for parents to teach their children

\


"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven,
nor the Son, but the Father alone," said Jesus. Why do you disagree
with Jesus?

but but but...what about Santa?
.
User: "Peter Webb"

Title: Re: How would you explain atheism to 5 year olds? 12 Dec 2007 05:27:37 AM
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"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 11, 5:41 pm, Daniel <babylon@usa> wrote:


The most important thing for parents to teach their children

\


"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven,
nor the Son, but the Father alone," said Jesus. Why do you disagree
with Jesus?


but but but...what about Santa?

Jesus and Santa are actually the same person. Have you ever seen them
together?
.
User: "mountain man"

Title: Re: How would you explain atheism to 5 year olds? 12 Dec 2007 06:44:15 AM
And they allowed Apollonius to ask questions;
and he asked them of what they thought
the cosmos was composed;
but they replied:
"Of elements."
"Are there then four" he asked.
"Not four," said Iarchas, "but five."
"And how can there be a fifth," said Apollonius,
"alongside of water and air and earth and fire ?"
"There is the ether", replied the other,
"which we must regard as the stuff of which gods are made;
for just as all mortal creatures inhale tbe air,
so do immortal and divine natures inhale the ether."
Apollonius again asked which was the first of the elements,
and Iarchas answered:
"All are simultaneous, for a living creature is not born bit by bit."
"Am I," said Apollonius, "to regard
the universe as a living creature?"
"Yes," said the other, "if you have a sound knowledge of it,
for it engenders all living things."
- The Life of Apollonius of Tyana,
Philostratus, 220AD.
.
User: ""

Title: Re: How would you explain atheism to 5 year olds? 12 Dec 2007 10:01:40 AM
"mountain man" <hobbit@southern_seaweed.com.op> wrote in message
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And they allowed Apollonius to ask questions;
and he asked them of what they thought
the cosmos was composed;
but they replied:
"Of elements."

"Are there then four" he asked.

"Not four," said Iarchas, "but five."

"And how can there be a fifth," said Apollonius,
"alongside of water and air and earth and fire ?"

"There is the ether", replied the other,
"which we must regard as the stuff of which gods are made;
for just as all mortal creatures inhale tbe air,
so do immortal and divine natures inhale the ether."

Apollonius again asked which was the first of the elements,
and Iarchas answered:

"All are simultaneous, for a living creature is not born bit by bit."

"Am I," said Apollonius, "to regard
the universe as a living creature?"

"Yes," said the other, "if you have a sound knowledge of it,
for it engenders all living things."





- The Life of Apollonius of Tyana,

Philostratus, 220AD.


Do you have an actual artifact from 220 AD with this dialogue written on it,
or only copies from later centuries?
.
User: "mountain man"

Title: Re: How would you explain atheism to 5 year olds? 12 Dec 2007 04:11:13 PM
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And they allowed Apollonius to ask questions;
and he asked them of what they thought
the cosmos was composed;
but they replied:
"Of elements."

"Are there then four" he asked.

"Not four," said Iarchas, "but five."

"And how can there be a fifth," said Apollonius,
"alongside of water and air and earth and fire ?"

"There is the ether", replied the other,
"which we must regard as the stuff of which gods are made;
for just as all mortal creatures inhale tbe air,
so do immortal and divine natures inhale the ether."

Apollonius again asked which was the first of the elements,
and Iarchas answered:

"All are simultaneous, for a living creature is not born bit by bit."

"Am I," said Apollonius, "to regard
the universe as a living creature?"

"Yes," said the other, "if you have a sound knowledge of it,
for it engenders all living things."





- The Life of Apollonius of Tyana,

Philostratus, 220AD.


Do you have an actual artifact from 220 AD with this dialogue written on
it, or only copies from later centuries?

Here is my data on Apollonius and Philostratus:
http://www.mountainman.com.au/apollonius_of_tyana.htm
There is an large inscription, recently found. to Apollonius
which is now in the Adana Museum. The inscription reads:
'This man, named after Apollo,
and shining forth Tyana,
extinguished the faults of men.
The tomb in Tyana (received) his body,
but in truth heaven received him
so that he might drive out the pains of men
(or:drive pains from among men) .'
--- Ancient inscription, translated C. P. Jones
An Epigram on Apollonius of Tyana
C. P. Jones
The Journal of Hellenic Studies,
Vol. 100, Centennary Issue. (1980),
pp. 190-194.
.
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Title: Re: How would you explain atheism to 5 year olds? 12 Dec 2007 05:44:32 PM
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And they allowed Apollonius to ask questions;
and he asked them of what they thought
the cosmos was composed;
but they replied:
"Of elements."

"Are there then four" he asked.

"Not four," said Iarchas, "but five."

"And how can there be a fifth," said Apollonius,
"alongside of water and air and earth and fire ?"

"There is the ether", replied the other,
"which we must regard as the stuff of which gods are made;
for just as all mortal creatures inhale tbe air,
so do immortal and divine natures inhale the ether."

Apollonius again asked which was the first of the elements,
and Iarchas answered:

"All are simultaneous, for a living creature is not born bit by bit."

"Am I," said Apollonius, "to regard
the universe as a living creature?"

"Yes," said the other, "if you have a sound knowledge of it,
for it engenders all living things."





- The Life of Apollonius of Tyana,

Philostratus, 220AD.


Do you have an actual artifact from 220 AD with this dialogue written on
it, or only copies from later centuries?



Here is my data on Apollonius and Philostratus:
http://www.mountainman.com.au/apollonius_of_tyana.htm

There is an large inscription, recently found. to Apollonius
which is now in the Adana Museum. The inscription reads:

'This man, named after Apollo,
and shining forth Tyana,
extinguished the faults of men.
The tomb in Tyana (received) his body,
but in truth heaven received him
so that he might drive out the pains of men
(or:drive pains from among men) .'

--- Ancient inscription, translated C. P. Jones

An Epigram on Apollonius of Tyana
C. P. Jones
The Journal of Hellenic Studies,
Vol. 100, Centennary Issue. (1980),
pp. 190-194.





I take it, then, that you do not know of an actual copy of this conversation
from the time you date it to, but accept the consensus of historians.
.
User: "mountain man"

Title: Philostatus' "Life of Apollonius of Tyana" (was Re: How would you explain atheism to 5 year olds?) 12 Dec 2007 08:21:54 PM
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And they allowed Apollonius to ask questions;
and he asked them of what they thought
the cosmos was composed;
but they replied:
"Of elements."

"Are there then four" he asked.

"Not four," said Iarchas, "but five."

"And how can there be a fifth," said Apollonius,
"alongside of water and air and earth and fire ?"

"There is the ether", replied the other,
"which we must regard as the stuff of which gods are made;
for just as all mortal creatures inhale tbe air,
so do immortal and divine natures inhale the ether."

Apollonius again asked which was the first of the elements,
and Iarchas answered:

"All are simultaneous, for a living creature is not born bit by bit."

"Am I," said Apollonius, "to regard
the universe as a living creature?"

"Yes," said the other, "if you have a sound knowledge of it,
for it engenders all living things."





- The Life of Apollonius of Tyana,

Philostratus, 220AD.


Do you have an actual artifact from 220 AD with this dialogue written on
it, or only copies from later centuries?



Here is my data on Apollonius and Philostratus:
http://www.mountainman.com.au/apollonius_of_tyana.htm

There is an large inscription, recently found. to Apollonius
which is now in the Adana Museum. The inscription reads:

'This man, named after Apollo,
and shining forth Tyana,
extinguished the faults of men.
The tomb in Tyana (received) his body,
but in truth heaven received him
so that he might drive out the pains of men
(or:drive pains from among men) .'

--- Ancient inscription, translated C. P. Jones

An Epigram on Apollonius of Tyana
C. P. Jones
The Journal of Hellenic Studies,
Vol. 100, Centennary Issue. (1980),
pp. 190-194.





I take it, then, that you do not know of an actual copy of this
conversation from the time you date it to, but accept the consensus of
historians.

The ancient inscription was chizzled into stone.
The consensus of historians on the date of the
chizzling is the late third century, possibly under
the rule of Diocletian c.390 CE
The earlier "conversation" you appear to be interested
in has a history to it which is open for those who wish
to seek it. I have provided numerous references.
Best wishes,
Pete Brown
.
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Title: Re: Philostatus' "Life of Apollonius of Tyana" (was Re: How would you explain atheism to 5 year olds?) 13 Dec 2007 11:46:37 AM
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And they allowed Apollonius to ask questions;
and he asked them of what they thought
the cosmos was composed;
but they replied:
"Of elements."

"Are there then four" he asked.

"Not four," said Iarchas, "but five."

"And how can there be a fifth," said Apollonius,
"alongside of water and air and earth and fire ?"

"There is the ether", replied the other,
"which we must regard as the stuff of which gods are made;
for just as all mortal creatures inhale tbe air,
so do immortal and divine natures inhale the ether."

Apollonius again asked which was the first of the elements,
and Iarchas answered:

"All are simultaneous, for a living creature is not born bit by bit."

"Am I," said Apollonius, "to regard
the universe as a living creature?"

"Yes," said the other, "if you have a sound knowledge of it,
for it engenders all living things."





- The Life of Apollonius of Tyana,

Philostratus, 220AD.


Do you have an actual artifact from 220 AD with this dialogue written
on
it, or only copies from later centuries?



Here is my data on Apollonius and Philostratus:
http://www.mountainman.com.au/apollonius_of_tyana.htm

There is an large inscription, recently found. to Apollonius
which is now in the Adana Museum. The inscription reads:

'This man, named after Apollo,
and shining forth Tyana,
extinguished the faults of men.
The tomb in Tyana (received) his body,
but in truth heaven received him
so that he might drive out the pains of men
(or:drive pains from among men) .'

--- Ancient inscription, translated C. P. Jones

An Epigram on Apollonius of Tyana
C. P. Jones
The Journal of Hellenic Studies,
Vol. 100, Centennary Issue. (1980),
pp. 190-194.





I take it, then, that you do not know of an actual copy of this
conversation from the time you date it to, but accept the consensus of
historians.



The ancient inscription was chizzled into stone.
The consensus of historians on the date of the
chizzling is the late third century, possibly under
the rule of Diocletian c.390 CE

So you cheerfully accept the consensus of historians on this, but
systematically reject it on anything regarding Christianity before the
fourth century.


The earlier "conversation" you appear to be interested
in has a history to it which is open for those who wish
to seek it. I have provided numerous references.

But you haven't answered the question.
'Do you have an actual artifact from 220 AD with this dialogue written on
it, or only copies from later centuries?"
Therefore my conclusion above stands:
"I take it, then, that you do not know of an actual copy of this
conversation from the time you date it to, but accept the consensus of
historians."


Best wishes,


Pete Brown



.
User: "mountain man"

Title: Re: Philostatus' "Life of Apollonius of Tyana" (was Re: How would you explain atheism to 5 year olds?) 13 Dec 2007 11:09:26 PM
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And they allowed Apollonius to ask questions;
and he asked them of what they thought
the cosmos was composed;
but they replied:
"Of elements."

"Are there then four" he asked.

"Not four," said Iarchas, "but five."

"And how can there be a fifth," said Apollonius,
"alongside of water and air and earth and fire ?"

"There is the ether", replied the other,
"which we must regard as the stuff of which gods are made;
for just as all mortal creatures inhale tbe air,
so do immortal and divine natures inhale the ether."

Apollonius again asked which was the first of the elements,
and Iarchas answered:

"All are simultaneous, for a living creature is not born bit by bit."

"Am I," said Apollonius, "to regard
the universe as a living creature?"

"Yes," said the other, "if you have a sound knowledge of it,
for it engenders all living things."





- The Life of Apollonius of Tyana,

Philostratus, 220AD.


Do you have an actual artifact from 220 AD with this dialogue written
on
it, or only copies from later centuries?



Here is my data on Apollonius and Philostratus:
http://www.mountainman.com.au/apollonius_of_tyana.htm

There is an large inscription, recently found. to Apollonius
which is now in the Adana Museum. The inscription reads:

'This man, named after Apollo,
and shining forth Tyana,
extinguished the faults of men.
The tomb in Tyana (received) his body,
but in truth heaven received him
so that he might drive out the pains of men
(or:drive pains from among men) .'

--- Ancient inscription, translated C. P. Jones

An Epigram on Apollonius of Tyana
C. P. Jones
The Journal of Hellenic Studies,
Vol. 100, Centennary Issue. (1980),
pp. 190-194.





I take it, then, that you do not know of an actual copy of this
conversation from the time you date it to, but accept the consensus of
historians.



The ancient inscription was chizzled into stone.
The consensus of historians on the date of the
chizzling is the late third century, possibly under
the rule of Diocletian c.390 CE


So you cheerfully accept the consensus of historians on this, but
systematically reject it on anything regarding Christianity before the
fourth century.

There are large and consequential differences between
ancient historians and ecclesiastical historians and there
are as a result large differences between what I will accept
from either party.

But you haven't answered the question.

Does the above assist?
Best wishes,
Pete Brown
.






User: "Nomen Nescio"

Title: Re: How would you explain atheism to 5 year olds? 12 Dec 2007 11:10:01 PM
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007, "mountain man" <hobbit@southern_seaweed.com.op> wrote:

And they allowed Apollonius to ask questions;
and he asked them of what they thought
the cosmos was composed;
but they replied:
"Of elements."
"Are there then four" he asked.
"Not four," said Iarchas, "but five."
"And how can there be a fifth," said Apollonius,
"alongside of water and air and earth and fire ?"
"There is the ether", replied the other,
"which we must regard as the stuff of which gods are made;
for just as all mortal creatures inhale tbe air,
so do immortal and divine natures inhale the ether."
Apollonius again asked which was the first of the elements,
and Iarchas answered:
"All are simultaneous, for a living creature is not born bit by bit."
"Am I," said Apollonius, "to regard
the universe as a living creature?"
"Yes," said the other, "if you have a sound knowledge of it,
for it engenders all living things."
- The Life of Apollonius of Tyana,
Philostratus, 220AD.

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Good post! Not only does it serve to succinctly highlight the
abject ignorance of "fundie" Atheists, but also of their dear
cousins, the "fundie" Christians. They're really all the same.
Armageddon Cometh,
Daniel Joseph Min
http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/danieljosephmin/
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User: "mountain man"

Title: Documentary: "The Yogis of Tibet" (was Re: How would you explain atheism to 5 year olds?) 12 Dec 2007 08:21:55 PM
"gb6726" <gb6726@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Now listen to me. You put down your pen, and join a spiritual
group, you can't go to Tibet any more and become a monk for
a few years. China took over that territory. But you can
do something for spirituality in a human way than through comments
and language of terrorism. Other than that, go wire yourself
and may the FBI catch you before you do it, the American
rampage against Americans, American style.

Actually there is a good documentary I recently watched
entitled "The Yogis of Tibet". I could recommend this to
children and adults of any age.
Best wishes
Pete Brown
www.mountainman.com.au
.

User: "richard schumacher"

Title: Re: How would you explain atheism to 5 year olds? 15 Dec 2007 09:04:54 AM

Following the "my daughter is Jewish" thread, suppose you were to
present atheism to a class of kindergarteners. How would you do it?

Teach them that god is just like Santa Claus, and let nature take its
course.
.

User: "richard schumacher"

Title: Re: How would you explain atheism to 5 year olds? 15 Dec 2007 09:03:46 AM
In article
<4ae2d969-f9cc-4ed3-87d9-7d4697ebabdf@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Steven Douglas <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote:

On Dec 11, 5:41 pm, Daniel <babble-on@usa> wrote:


The most important thing for parents to teach their children
is to always believe the testimony of Jesus Christ, and that
anyone who disagrees with Jesus Christ is a God-damned Liar,


Yet later in your post, you disagree with Jesus:


And constantly remind Atheists that the end of the world is
imminent, with December 21, 2012 barely five years away at
this writing.


"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven,
nor the Son, but the Father alone," said Jesus. Why do you disagree
with Jesus?

Min is Jesus' smarter brother. Min told us so himself. so it must be
true.
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User: "Jack Linthicum"

Title: Re: How would you explain atheism to 5 year olds? 12 Dec 2007 05:05:44 AM
On Dec 11, 8:41 pm, Daniel <babylon@usa> wrote:

On Tue, 11 Dec 2007, "Jesus Is Awesome!" <je...@elvisfan.com> wrote:

On Dec 11, 2:49 pm, "_ Prof. Jonez _" <thep...@jonez.net> wrote:

beartiger....@gmail.com wrote:

Following the "my daughter is Jewish" thread, suppose you were to
present atheism to a class of kindergarteners. How would you do it?


Children are ALREADY Atheists.
It's only AFTER their minds are polluted and poisoned by the repugnat
superstitions of adults that they become ignorant imbeciles.


It's our obligation as parents to save our children from eternal
damnation.


-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

The most important thing for parents to teach their children
is to always believe the testimony of Jesus Christ, and that
anyone who disagrees with Jesus Christ is a God-damned Liar,
a God-damned Coward, and a God-damned Murderer(!) who shall
absolutely definitely *DIE* someday soon, and their filthy
evil souls shall absolutely definitely *BURN* in Hellfire!

The first Bible verse that children should be taught is
found at Luke 19:27, where Jesus _explicitly_ instructs
Christians that "The only good Atheist is a dead Atheist!"
Jesus makes that perfectly clear. Thus Luke 19:27 should
become the central mantra of Christians against Atheists.

Also, always warn children *NEVER* to pledge allegiance to
the hard-line Anti-Christian Atheist U.S. Government (flag),
and that the public schools are the Churches of Antichrists,
Synagogues of Satan, the Classrooms of Atheism! So children
should always call the Atheist teachers/clergymen God-damned
Liars, God-damned Cowards, and God-damned Murderers! Because
that's absolutely, definitely, precisely, what Atheists are.

Warn children that the U.S. Government is the ***** of Babylon,
and the U.S. Military is the beast she rides. And warn children
that these are the prophesied end-times, the great tribulation,
Armageddon unto the end of the world. And that the Christian's
reward awaits our Immortal souls in heaven, but the only reward
of this world belongs to U.S. Government-supporting Anti-Christ
Atheists, but not for Christians. Our reward requires our death
in exchange for that heavenly bliss which awaits each one of us
in heaven. Thus Christians should pray for the end of the world.
Pray that persons with the wherewithall shall ignite Armageddon.

Thus warn children that nuclear and most especially biological
warfare, verily World War III, is our only Christian salvation
in this world. So Christians everywhere should humbly pray in
earnest and incessantly for the Armageddon clock to strike the
midnight hour: Pray that the Atheists are *FORCED* into WWIII!

Also, all Christians who drive a motor vehicle on America's
roads, streets and highways, make a bumper sticker that says:

LUKE 19:27

And display it proudly on the rear bumper of all your cars and
trucks. That way, every time an Atheist sees it, you can be sure
it upsets them. And after all, every God-fearing Christian in the
world's primary goal in life should be to always disturb Atheists,
and to scream out the most caustic, vitriolic, seething, bellicose
and perfectly justified accusations against the self-aggrandizing
mammon-worshipping Rabidly Anti-Christian Atheist U.S. Government.
Pray for Armageddon, and always talk about Armageddon, especially
toward Atheists. And constantly remind Atheists that the end of the
world is imminent, with December 21, 2012 barely five years away at
this writing. Remind Atheists they shall die and roast in Hellfire!

That's what all good Christian parents should be teaching children.
And be sure to remind children that all Atheists are Rabid inhuman
animals that cannot ever be negotiated with, neither bargained with
nor reasoned with, if not through the judicious use of thermonuclear
and extremely-virulent pathogenic weapons like Ebola, Marburg, etc.,
since the most effective weapons-grade virus has the greatest kill-
power, and also has the greatest resistance to their vaccines, all
which will make Christians sing Praises to the LORD all day long!

Armageddon Cometh,
Daniel Joseph Minhttp://www.angelfire.com/moon2/danieljosephmin/

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Then there is the very un Christian act of posting on groups that have
nothing to do with your subject. Plus your knowledge of biological
weapons is really dated.
.
User: "Helmut Wabnig hwabnig@ .- --- -. DOT .- t"

Title: Re: How would you explain atheism to 5 year olds? 12 Dec 2007 05:46:50 AM
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 03:05:44 -0800 (PST), Jack Linthicum
<jacklinthicum@earthlink.net> wrote:

On Dec 11, 8:41 pm, Daniel <babylon@usa> wrote:

On Tue, 11 Dec 2007, "Jesus Is Awesome!" <je...@elvisfan.com> wrote:

On Dec 11, 2:49 pm, "_ Prof. Jonez _" <thep...@jonez.net> wrote:

beartiger....@gmail.com wrote:

Following the "my daughter is Jewish" thread, suppose you were to
present atheism to a class of kindergarteners. How would you do it?


Children are ALREADY Atheists.
It's only AFTER their minds are polluted and poisoned by the repugnat
superstitions of adults that they become ignorant imbeciles.


It's our obligation as parents to save our children from eternal
damnation.


-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

The most important thing for parents to teach their children
is...............

not to tell lies, and neither believe in lies and ***** them liars.

to always believe the testimony of Jesus Christ, and that

anyone who disagrees with Jesus Christ is a God-damned Liar,
a God-damned Coward, and a God-damned Murderer(!) who shall
absolutely definitely *DIE* someday soon, and their filthy
evil souls shall absolutely definitely *BURN* in Hellfire!

The first Bible verse that children should be taught is
found at Luke 19:27, where Jesus _explicitly_ instructs
Christians that "The only good Atheist is a dead Atheist!"
Jesus makes that perfectly clear. Thus Luke 19:27 should
become the central mantra of Christians against Atheists.

Also, always warn children *NEVER* to pledge allegiance to
the hard-line Anti-Christian Atheist U.S. Government (flag),
and that the public schools are the Churches of Antichrists,
Synagogues of Satan, the Classrooms of Atheism! So children
should always call the Atheist teachers/clergymen God-damned
Liars, God-damned Cowards, and God-damned Murderers! Because
that's absolutely, definitely, precisely, what Atheists are.

Warn children that the U.S. Government is the ***** of Babylon,
and the U.S. Military is the beast she rides. And warn children
that these are the prophesied end-times, the great tribulation,
Armageddon unto the end of the world. And that the Christian's
reward awaits our Immortal souls in heaven, but the only reward
of this world belongs to U.S. Government-supporting Anti-Christ
Atheists, but not for Christians. Our reward requires our death
in exchange for that heavenly bliss which awaits each one of us
in heaven. Thus Christians should pray for the end of the world.
Pray that persons with the wherewithall shall ignite Armageddon.

Thus warn children that nuclear and most especially biological
warfare, verily World War III, is our only Christian salvation
in this world. So Christians everywhere should humbly pray in
earnest and incessantly for the Armageddon clock to strike the
midnight hour: Pray that the Atheists are *FORCED* into WWIII!

Also, all Christians who drive a motor vehicle on America's
roads, streets and highways, make a bumper sticker that says:

LUKE 19:27

And display it proudly on the rear bumper of all your cars and
trucks. That way, every time an Atheist sees it, you can be sure
it upsets them. And after all, every God-fearing Christian in the
world's primary goal in life should be to always disturb Atheists,
and to scream out the most caustic, vitriolic, seething, bellicose
and perfectly justified accusations against the self-aggrandizing
mammon-worshipping Rabidly Anti-Christian Atheist U.S. Government.
Pray for Armageddon, and always talk about Armageddon, especially
toward Atheists. And constantly remind Atheists that the end of the
world is imminent, with December 21, 2012 barely five years away at
this writing. Remind Atheists they shall die and roast in Hellfire!

That's what all good Christian parents should be teaching children.
And be sure to remind children that all Atheists are Rabid inhuman
animals that cannot ever be negotiated with, neither bargained with
nor reasoned with, if not through the judicious use of thermonuclear
and extremely-virulent pathogenic weapons like Ebola, Marburg, etc.,
since the most effective weapons-grade virus has the greatest kill-
power, and also has the greatest resistance to their vaccines, all
which will make Christians sing Praises to the LORD all day long!

Armageddon Cometh,
Daniel Joseph Minhttp://www.angelfire.com/moon2/danieljosephmin/

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Then there is the very un Christian act of posting on groups that have
nothing to do with your subject. Plus your knowledge of biological
weapons is really dated.

.
User: "Don Stockbauer"

Title: Re: How would you explain atheism to 5 year olds? 12 Dec 2007 06:55:32 AM
How would you explain atheism to 5 year olds?
***********************
"God and the Universe (out to the Causal Horizon) are identical,
little 5 year olds. That will greatly simplify things for you during
your remaining three-score and 5 here. It'll also save you a bunch
when the collection plate comes around."
.



User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=98=A0Relf?="

Title: =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=9C?= atheists =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=9D?= prefer being wide-awake and sober-minded. 12 Dec 2007 10:47:26 PM
The kids should know that while most people dream of superheroes
( like you find in the movies, the Koran and the Bible )
others ( call them “ atheists ” )
prefer being wide-awake and sober-minded,
pondering science, evolution and cosmology.
Evolution is the best explanation for how we came about
and what might happen to us
should we fail to adapt to ever-changing conditions.
.
User: "Pmb"

Title: Re: " atheists " prefer being wide-awake and sober-minded. 12 Dec 2007 11:33:21 PM
"Jeff?Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_Dec_12__8_47_PY@Cotse.NET...

The kids should know that while most people dream of superheroes
( like you find in the movies, the Koran and the Bible )

I believe you're the first to call them "superheros" because God dosn't
normally take actions superheroes do. I'd like to request that you don't
post such derogatory comments either. Why would you want to insult my
beliefs? Just because you hold different beliefs you don't have to insult
those who have different opinions. And that's all they are, opinions.

others ( call them " atheists " )

There are two definitions of "atheist"
(1) A person who believes God does not exist
(2) A person who is not religious, i.e. an a-theist
The first definition requires a very deep faith. The term "faith" means
differnt things, i.e. is defined in various ways, one of which means that
you believe something you can't prove is true. From Merriam-Webster Online
Dictionary - firm belief in something for which there is no proof.
The second one knows that it is impossible to prove that God exists so they
don't claim he doesn't. They believe he doesn't, which is different. But
this too is an act of faith.
Which one are you.

prefer being wide-awake and sober-minded,
pondering science, evolution and cosmology.

Nonsense. First of all you were speaking of dreaming above and people have
no choice on what they believe. Alot of which has never happened or could
ever happen. Some actually violate the laws of physics (a love those dreams
where I can fly!) Second of I myself, at least, don't dream of such things.
In the second place you're trying to suggest that beleivers don't put the
same time pondering such things as atheists do. I'd wager I put a lot more
though into those fields as you do.

Evolution is the best explanation for how we came about
and what might happen to us
should we fail to adapt to ever-changing conditions.

So what? Who says that the Bible is inconsistent with evolution? I sure
don't. But perhaps you don't understand that what evolution can tell us
about as of today? Right now evolution has told us that life evolves
according to certain rules by means of natural selection of random mutations
of genes. Evolution has not given any indication of *how* life began, i.e.
how exactly was the first DNA molecule replicated? etc.
I keep telling you to go to the library and pick up the two books
"In the Beginning ... Biblical Creation and Science," by Nathan Aviezer
(1990)
"Fossils and Faith: Understanding Torah and Science," by Nathan Aviezer,
(2001)
Nathan Aviezer is a professional physicist/teacher, Emeritus, at Bar-llan
University, Israel. Each of these books discusses both science and religion.
I.e. he discusses what the Bible speaks of iin terms of science. Especially
creation (aka Big Bang) and evolution.
Since you've made some unprovable assertions they can only be understoof on
terms of your faith.
How great is your faith in the non-existance of God? Have you even read a
book which challanges your belief or do you never pick one up because you
believe that they aren't worth reading? I'm Christian but at the moment I'm
reading a book called "Why atheism?" The equivalent would you be reading
the books and science articles by Paul Davies
http://aca.mq.edu.au/PaulDavies/publications/articles.htm
Paul davies is a theoretical physicist amd cosmologist by profession who
lately has been doing work in astrobiology. The two I just bought are "God &
the New Physics," and "Mind of God." All of the books he wrote are listed at
http://aca.mq.edu.au/PaulDavies/publications/books.htm. Davies appears to me
to be agnostic.
According to a survey done by Scientific American, about 40% of all
scientists believe in God. Would it hurt you to study the idea as a
scientist would?
Pete
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User: "Doug Weller"

Title: Re: " atheists " prefer being wide-awake and sober-minded. 13 Dec 2007 01:09:38 PM
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 00:33:21 -0500, in sci.archaeology, Pmb wrote:


"Jeff?Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_Dec_12__8_47_PY@Cotse.NET...

The kids should know that while most people dream of superheroes
( like you find in the movies, the Koran and the Bible )


I believe you're the first to call them "superheros" because God dosn't
normally take actions superheroes do. I'd like to request that you don't
post such derogatory comments either. Why would you want to insult my
beliefs? Just because you hold different beliefs you don't have to insult
those who have different opinions. And that's all they are, opinions.

others ( call them " atheists " )


There are two definitions of "atheist"
(1) A person who believes God does not exist
(2) A person who is not religious, i.e. an a-theist

The first definition requires a very deep faith. The term "faith" means
differnt things, i.e. is defined in various ways, one of which means that
you believe something you can't prove is true. From Merriam-Webster Online
Dictionary - firm belief in something for which there is no proof.

The second one knows that it is impossible to prove that God exists so they
don't claim he doesn't. They believe he doesn't, which is different. But
this too is an act of faith.
Which one are you.

Is it an act of faith not to believe in invisible pink unicorns?
Lack of belief in gods (not God) is not faith. I don't believe in gods,
that doesn't require any faith, I don't even have to think about it. I
certainly don't feel called upon to prove or disprove anything.
Doug


[SNIP]
Doug
--
Doug Weller --
A Director and Moderator of The Hall of Ma'at http://www.hallofmaat.com
Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.co.uk
Amun - co-owner/co-moderator http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Amun/

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