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Blog! Blog! Blog!
Post! Post! Post!
Expand! Expand! Expand!

MAKE SURE TO email everyone you know, and even those you
don't know.

Remind them that the bitterly defeated left-
wing extremist former Vice-President *Al Gore* is senior
advisor to Google! Google's co-founders Larry Page and
Sergey Brin are radically left-wing liberal extremists!

And remind everyone that the TIMING of Google's so-called
"beta" is nothing short of draconian censorship tantamount
to criminal treason against the global usenet community!

*One month* after they were trounced on November 2, 2004,
and the "beta" kicks in. Ask yourself Why? *WHY* is Google
and the liberals afraid of users searching the archives?
It's because the liberals FEAR being excommunicated from
what little remains of the moderate Democratic party.
The rabidly-insane liberals HIGHJACKED the party and LOST
them the election! The archives testify to this indeniable
FACT. Therefore, the liberals want to hide it from the world.

So DO your homework! If you want Google Groups back on-line
(they're doubtless working overtime to disable the foreign
domain work-around), FLOOD the internet with the irrefutable
FACTS about Google and who's behind them. If the likes of
*Al Gore* and *George Soros* aren't enough to convince you,
then who is? Usama Bin Laden? John Kerry? Jacques Chirac?
Kofi Annan? The U.N.?

Merry Christmas!
Daniel Joseph Min
http://www.google.co.uk./groups?selm=XJBDEJF138262.9022453704@anonymous.poster
http://www.geocities.com/daniel_joseph_min
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x2B1CCFE7

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On 15 Dec 2004,

I have sent complaints via the support button at Google Groups.

Do you have any other suggestions about where to send complaints and
what the most effective form of complaints (letters, petitions, emails)
would be most effective?

I received an automated reply to my online complaint and doubt it will
get through to any real person with the authority to do something.

Suggestions welcome!

Mairead

who me wrote:

I totally agree - the email address thing sucks. It is a researcher's
nightmare.

The old Google Groups is still running on international Google sites.
Try:

http://groups.google.co.uk

when that goes try other Google sites

also - everyone - COMPLAIN to Google


Michael Shell <news1@michaelshell.org> wrote in
news:20041202021144.56115ecd@bashir:

Greetings fellow Usenetters,


For a long time I've used Deja News (which later became Google

Groups)

to search the Usenet archives and I've never felt the need to

consider

an alternative ... until today.

Have you folks tried the new Google Groups recently? Lotsa new

flashy

graphics, colors, stupid star icons (a la Ebay), larger fonts and
create-your-own-braindead-groups (a la Yahoo! groups). It seems

that

as internet companies evolve, they inevitably dumb things down to

the

lowest denominator. A similar thing seems to have happened with the
latest My Yahoo! format.

However, the thing that irks me the most is that they are blocking
the poster's email addresses - you need to register to be able to
reply to the author - which of course opens the door for Google to
ask and require all sorts of things for this "privilege". Now, I
understand that spammers who harvest email addresses from Usenet
are a real problem (but it is not as if posters are powerless to
disguise or encode their addresses - and besides spammers probably
scan posts in real time and have much less desire for the old
addresses in newsgroup archives). However, many times I have been

very

grateful to be able to locate a legacy poster - be it to find an

old

friend, ask how the problem was eventually resolved, or to share
information that may still be of interest despite the passing of

time.

Now, this appears to be off limits to me on an anonymous (cookies

and

IP addresses aside) basis.

Google's decision seems to run contrary to the public spirit of

Usenet

itself - I feel as though I am cut off from the original poster by
a third party even though the poster may wish to be publicly known.

There are of course ways in which a poster can get around address
blocking through the use of a clever sig. But, what about all those
posts of the past? We can't go back and add encoded "you can

contact

me here" headers/sigs to them. Granted, email addresses change, but
you can usually find a poster's current address from their more
recent posts.


You see, if Google ever "went nuts" with regard to access to their
web search engine, I could still survive - AltaVista, Lycos,

Yahoo!,

etc. are quite usable as alternatives to Google's web search. But,
what of Usenet searches? In that regard, Google seems to have

everyone

by the balls. And I'm afraid they know it.

Are there any existing viable alternatives to Google Groups' Usenet
archive search engine - even ones available on a paid basis?




Cheers,

Michael Shell

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Blog! Blog! Blog!
Post! Post! Post!
Expand! Expand! Expand!

MAKE SURE TO email everyone you know, and even those you
don't know. Remind them that the bitterly defeated left-
wing extremist former Vice-President *Al Gore* is senior
advisor to Google! Google's co-founders Larry Page and
Sergey Brin are radically left-wing liberal extremists!

And remind everyone that the TIMING of Google's so-called
"beta" is nothing short of draconian censorship tantamount
to criminal treason against the global usenet community!
*One month* after they were trounced on November 2, 2004,

and the "beta" kicks in. Ask yourself Why? *WHY* is Google
and the liberals afraid of users searching the archives?
It's because the liberals FEAR being excommunicated from
what little remains of the moderate Democratic party.
The rabidly-insane liberals HIGHJACKED the party and LOST
them the election! The archives testify to this indeniable
FACT. Therefore, the liberals want to hide it from the world.

So DO your homework! If you want Google Groups back on-line
(they're doubtless working overtime to disable the foreign
domain work-around), FLOOD the internet with the irrefutable
FACTS about Google and who's behind them. If the likes of
*Al Gore* and *George Soros* aren't enough to convince you,
then who is? Usama Bin Laden? John Kerry? Jacques Chirac?
Kofi Annan? The U.N.?

Merry Christmas!
Daniel Joseph Min
http://www.google.co.uk./groups?selm=XJBDEJF138262.9022453704@anonymous.poster
http://www.geocities.com/daniel_joseph_min
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x2B1CCFE7

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On 15 Dec 2004,

I have sent complaints via the support button at Google Groups.

Do you have any other suggestions about where to send complaints and
what the most effective form of complaints (letters, petitions, emails)
would be most effective?

I received an automated reply to my online complaint and doubt it will
get through to any real person with the authority to do something.

Suggestions welcome!

Mairead

who me wrote:

I totally agree - the email address thing sucks. It is a researcher's
nightmare.

The old Google Groups is still running on international Google sites.
Try:

http://groups.google.co.uk

when that goes try other Google sites

also - everyone - COMPLAIN to Google


Michael Shell <news1@michaelshell.org> wrote in
news:20041202021144.56115ecd@bashir:

Greetings fellow Usenetters,


For a long time I've used Deja News (which later became Google

Groups)

to search the Usenet archives and I've never felt the need to

consider

an alternative ... until today.

Have you folks tried the new Google Groups recently? Lotsa new

flashy

graphics, colors, stupid star icons (a la Ebay), larger fonts and
create-your-own-braindead-groups (a la Yahoo! groups). It seems

that

as internet companies evolve, they inevitably dumb things down to

the

lowest denominator. A similar thing seems to have happened with the
latest My Yahoo! format.

However, the thing that irks me the most is that they are blocking
the poster's email addresses - you need to register to be able to
reply to the author - which of course opens the door for Google to
ask and require all sorts of things for this "privilege". Now, I
understand that spammers who harvest email addresses from Usenet
are a real problem (but it is not as if posters are powerless to
disguise or encode their addresses - and besides spammers probably
scan posts in real time and have much less desire for the old
addresses in newsgroup archives). However, many times I have been

very

grateful to be able to locate a legacy poster - be it to find an

old

friend, ask how the problem was eventually resolved, or to share
information that may still be of interest despite the passing of

time.

Now, this appears to be off limits to me on an anonymous (cookies

and

IP addresses aside) basis.

Google's decision seems to run contrary to the public spirit of

Usenet

itself - I feel as though I am cut off from the original poster by
a third party even though the poster may wish to be publicly known.

There are of course ways in which a poster can get around address
blocking through the use of a clever sig. But, what about all those
posts of the past? We can't go back and add encoded "you can

contact

me here" headers/sigs to them. Granted, email addresses change, but
you can usually find a poster's current address from their more
recent posts.


You see, if Google ever "went nuts" with regard to access to their
web search engine, I could still survive - AltaVista, Lycos,

Yahoo!,

etc. are quite usable as alternatives to Google's web search. But,
what of Usenet searches? In that regard, Google seems to have

everyone

by the balls. And I'm afraid they know it.

Are there any existing viable alternatives to Google Groups' Usenet
archive search engine - even ones available on a paid basis?




Cheers,

Michael Shell