On Tue, 19 Jun 2007, Trace <tracey12_12@yahoo.com> wrote:
I love America. I love America so much, I am about to abandon my
political party in favor of my country. I am very disappointed with
the Republican Party, and the leader of my party, President GW Bush.
The Grand Old Party, (GOP) had a fantastic opportunity to do things
we've long wanted to happen. I won't list those things at this time,
but over the past years, Republicans have owned all branches of the
federal government. This gave them incredible opportunity. Many of
us worked for years and years to make that situation happen, but when
the GOP took control of both houses of Congress and the White House,
they blew it! They dropped the ball! The totally wasted all our
effort! They did next to nothing but emulate democrat spending
habits.
For a moment, let me mention the other failed party, the democrats.
The failure to get things done, and be the Conservatives we elected
made the American public rightfully mad at the Republican party. What
alternative does average Joe 6pack have? God hating, America hating,
unborn baby hating democrats!
Yes, Joe 6pack is so mad at the GOP, he's going to vote for the party
of Hugo Chavez! He's going to empower the radical alternative to the
GOP who gave him cause to look elsewhere.
I want to support my President. I really do. He's a yankee Texan, so
he's at least like an adopted child in Texas. He's not fully yankee,
and he's not fully a Texan either. But he has some Texas values which
makes me want him to be a grand success as president. Now mind you,
he's certainly not the worst president, nor is he the best.
Economically speaking, the USA is doing very well indeed under GW
after having recovered from the horrid days of 9/11. But so much more
could be good in America, and both GW and Congress have let us down.
President Bush's worst mistake is his foreign policy with respect to
mexico. Since he took office, Bush has shown us how much he favors
mexico. There are times when it appeared the Bush was as much
president of mexico as he is of the US.
You have to wonder why president Bush favors mexico so much. Its it
because he just wants to help the 3rd world? If that were the case,
wouldn't he have the same feelings for India, China, Cuba, and the
rest of the dumps in Latin America and around the world?
Many people are now aware of the developing push to unite the USA with
mexico and Canada. The so called North American Union is in the
news. But no politicians have stepped forward and suggested that we
must create this union. Yet, look at the policies of our government
and how theyve changed of late.
Social Security is now sending out checks around the world. If you
came to the USA and worked for a foreign firm, or a US company, but
you're not an American, you still get US Social Security dollars in
your future!
The fence we voted for and now have funding for is not being built.
Excuses are now being made by both parties to the American public
about why the fence should not be built.....Could it be that we just
don't realize that soon, the US government will elect to remove the
borders between mexico and Canada, so why deport, or enforce
immigration laws when millions will soon be allowed to flood the USA?
Is this their silent plan, and we're just uninformed morons who still
love America?
I want to support my president, I really really do, but he is up to
something as are both parties, and they are not telling us what that
something is.
Republicans and Democrats in DC are making excuses and are slapping
each other on the back as they ignore our demand that no new give away
amnesty bill be passed. The American public, which is mostly
conservative, is about to blow a cork of this!
Why is GW working again to pass this insane immigration bill?
We've told DC what we want, and they've seen the polls, but for some
unknown reason, both parties in DC are working against the will of the
people as they attempt to flood the USA with mexicans.
I want to support President Bush because in many ways, I think he's a
pretty good person and president, but I cannot and will not support
any politician or party that seeks to change the entire culture of the
USA by flooding the country with illegal aliens.
As Ronald Reagan once said "I didn't leave the democrat party. It left
me" As a real Conservative, I haven't left the Republican party, it
has left me.
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Good article, Trace! I do believe you're beginning to see
the Light. The term "Ex-Republican" is gaining popularity,
and politics by the rich and for the rich, by the lawyers
and for the lawyers, is likewise losing grassroots support.
While I'm sure the controlling elite would like to openly
state their objective, which is one-world government (I'm
all for that actually, but only in the fifth-empire sense),
they're constrained as to what they can discuss in public.
Bush the younger could've come straight out and said that
Mexico and Canada are being systematically assimilated for
annexation, and that the controlling elite's motive is, as
ever, to gain more power and control ergo world domination.
You see it's all about power and control, and nothing else.
I think the NAU, the North American Union, is a great idea,
but *ONLY* if English is the official national language as
taught in all public schools (add the Ten Commandments and
Golden Rule, Intelligent Design, etc.), and really serious
violent crime is met with a swift, merciful, and mandatory
death penalty in *all* cases of egregiously-violent crimes.
I'm pleased that Mexico and Canada will be handed over, and
be annexed to the NAU. And that English will become the one
official language of the NAU under federal law, and Atheism
will, finally, be disestablished as the NAU's official State
religion, being replaced by responsible freedom of religion,
and responsible freedom of speech. I'm happy about that, but...
What I'm unhappy about, is that serious crime and dangerous
criminals are being routinely ignored, and even rewarded by
America's so-called "criminal justice system"(!). We need to
eliminate the prison cartels and disbar every Anti-Christian
Liberal Atheist judge and attorney in the country, starting
yesterday! Self-aggrandizing, mammon-worshipping, power-mad
Anti-Christian lawyers, judges and politicians are the death
of America. And there's nothing that we mere powerless Serfs
can do about it. They have all the "Lawyers, Guns and Money".
They and their corporations control the most powerful, most
corrupt government in the world since the founding of Babel.
We merely have the power of the pen and the power of prayer.
The reason that the controlling elitists couldn't care less
about what Serfdom thinks, says, writes, or prays about, is
simply because they don't have to. They control *everything*
with an iron fist. Anyone who gets in their way, see ya bye!
Washington, D.C. could definitely use an attitude adjustment,
but only God Almighty has the power to administer it. That's
why the prophets of old & latter days have of one voice said
that America & the whole empire will not be destroyed by the
hand of mortal man, but by the immortal hand of Almighty God,
as it was in the days of Noah, sparing little of her populace
(Jesus said "those days will be abbreviated" [Matthew 24:22]).
Survivors will indeed say the humble have inherited the earth.
And the signs are everywhere that "those days" are THESE days.
Homosexual marriage, the final pope (before "Peter the Roman",
who isn't even a Catholic pope, not in their orthodoxy sense),
the end of the seventh great year Friday December 21st, 2012
(ergo the end of time, end of seven times twelve precessional
ages...astronomically accurate to the day), myriads of augurs
in consensus. This is definitely it. The end of the world *is*
near. And the mockers will mock, even as Noah was mocked. Yet
the end shall come, and there'll be no one there to help them.
Because her former allies-in-mammon will be standing afar off,
for fear of her incendiary fumes. And the multitude in heaven
will be saying Hallelujah.
In Vigilance,
Daniel Joseph Min
http://www.2hot2cool.com/11/danieljosephmin/
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20 Jun 2007 04:57:38 AM |
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Anonymous <cri...@ecn.org> wrote:
Good article, Trace! I do believe you're beginning to see
the Light.
Then you're both moths rushing into a flame.
Here's a little reality for you:
#1.
Far from "Failed," the Democrats had their eight years
and succeeded brilliantly. The huge deficits left by Reagan
& Bush were replaced by surplus, and economic grown
easily surpassed anything seen during the Reagan years.
Not only did the economy grow for longer than seen under
Reagan, but there was more growth and a significantly
larger percent of the population enjoyed a share in it.
#2.
The Republicans never spent anything like Democrats.
Not ever. That fantasy was debunked during the Reagan
years, when the Republicans controlled the Whitehouse
and the upper house of congress, and sent spending
through the roof. Under Bush, the Republicans did even
worse than the Reagan-error GOP. Reagan at least had
the excuse of starting with a deficit. Bush and his
Republican congress never had that luxury. They began
with a $100+ billion surplus.
Besides quantity, the Republicans beat the Democrats
in their lack of quality spending. While Democrats are
accused of "throwing away" money on social programs,
in a sense trying to help people, the Republicans have
steadfastly refused to help any but their cronies.
Take the perscription drug benefit. They took a great
idea -- helping senior citizens -- and perverted it into
a huge cash give-away to their cronies. They not only
locked the price of drugs in at an artifically high price
(the highest price, actually), but they began payouts
a full two years before the drug benefit went into effect.
What they literally did was financed -- for all their
insider cronies -- the construction of all the new
"Perscription drug benefit plans" that the elderly are
forced to choose from.
And, oh, don't even get me started about corruption!
The last Democratic congress invested more time
investigating Democrats than the Republican congress
used to investogate *Everyone*. Presidential oversight,
for example, fell to nil.
When Clinton was President, and still had a Democratic
congress, he wasn't allowed to place his wife in his own
cabinet, nor any position tha drew a salary. Once the
Republicans took over though, not only were congressional
offices filled with family members, but the Republicans
set up PACs and "charities" to both get around campaign
contribution limits, and to employ their friends &
families (and maybe even themselves).
Let's say you can only accept $2,000 in contribution from
one of the companies whose bill you're endorsing in
congress. Well, that's not much of a bribe. But they can
also contribute $2,000 to your PAC, as well as the PAC
of one of your friends. Then the two of you can make a
"contribution" to each other from your PACs.
As for Charities, well, did you think that a "Charity"
meant "No paid staffers"? Please. That's not even
funny.
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20 Jun 2007 05:58:21 AM |
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"JTEM" <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Anonymous <cri...@ecn.org> wrote:
Good article, Trace! I do believe you're beginning to see
the Light.
Then you're both moths rushing into a flame.
Here's a little reality for you:
#1.
Far from "Failed," the Democrats had their eight years
and succeeded brilliantly. The huge deficits left by Reagan
& Bush were replaced by surplus, and economic grown
easily surpassed anything seen during the Reagan years.
Not only did the economy grow for longer than seen under
Reagan, but there was more growth and a significantly
larger percent of the population enjoyed a share in it.
#2.
The Republicans never spent anything like Democrats.
Not ever.
Didn't you mean to say that the Democrats never spent anything like the
Republicans? Well, that wasn't always true. Republicans were fiscally
conservative at times, or at least that was the general perception until
Reagan and Bush II came along. Clinton shocked Republicans and
conservatives by implementing a very effective tighter budget that left a
huge surplus. Since then, neocons have been trying to avoid that fact, or
that Bush II and his brethren were not only lavish spenders in national
office, but had been that way while heading up Texas. Rich elitist fucks
spend a lot of dough, and it's hard for any of them to put the brakes on
their habit when they're in office.
That fantasy was debunked during the Reagan
years, when the Republicans controlled the Whitehouse
and the upper house of congress, and sent spending
through the roof. Under Bush, the Republicans did even
worse than the Reagan-error GOP. Reagan at least had
the excuse of starting with a deficit. Bush and his
Republican congress never had that luxury. They began
with a $100+ billion surplus.
Besides quantity, the Republicans beat the Democrats
in their lack of quality spending. While Democrats are
accused of "throwing away" money on social programs,
in a sense trying to help people, the Republicans have
steadfastly refused to help any but their cronies.
Take the perscription drug benefit. They took a great
idea -- helping senior citizens -- and perverted it into
a huge cash give-away to their cronies. They not only
locked the price of drugs in at an artifically high price
(the highest price, actually), but they began payouts
a full two years before the drug benefit went into effect.
What they literally did was financed -- for all their
insider cronies -- the construction of all the new
"Perscription drug benefit plans" that the elderly are
forced to choose from.
And, oh, don't even get me started about corruption!
The last Democratic congress invested more time
investigating Democrats than the Republican congress
used to investogate *Everyone*. Presidential oversight,
for example, fell to nil.
When Clinton was President, and still had a Democratic
congress, he wasn't allowed to place his wife in his own
cabinet, nor any position tha drew a salary. Once the
Republicans took over though, not only were congressional
offices filled with family members, but the Republicans
set up PACs and "charities" to both get around campaign
contribution limits, and to employ their friends &
families (and maybe even themselves).
Let's say you can only accept $2,000 in contribution from
one of the companies whose bill you're endorsing in
congress. Well, that's not much of a bribe. But they can
also contribute $2,000 to your PAC, as well as the PAC
of one of your friends. Then the two of you can make a
"contribution" to each other from your PACs.
As for Charities, well, did you think that a "Charity"
meant "No paid staffers"? Please. That's not even
funny.
You're wasting your typing fingers on Min, dopey. He's lost in his deep
cocoon. It was Min who said only 2 years ago that liberalism and the
Democratic Party were finished, and that the next two elections (and
onward) would see conservatives and Republicans sweep over the land like
locusts. He's been so consistently disassociated with any reality, and has
had his dreamy head so far up his fanatical ***** for so very long on the
Usenet, that I can well understand why you've been playin' with the
psycho -- you both twist and shout in the same sandbox of surreality, con
artistry, and severe mental aberration.
Where'yd put that lil' shovel and pail there, Johnny? Has Danny hidden it
from ya?
LOL!!!
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20 Jun 2007 06:27:56 PM |
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"Docrodile" <swampth...@hellsbayou.net> wrote:
Didn't you mean to say that the Democrats
never spent anything like the Republicans?
Well, that wasn't always true. Republicans
were fiscally conservative at times, or at
least that was the general perception until
Reagan and Bush II came along.
Nixon created the EPA, Ike built the interstate
system. You have to go back to the Great
Depression -- when the nation desperately needed
government spending -- before you can find a
"Fiscally Conservative" Republican....
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20 Jun 2007 06:15:53 AM |
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"JTEM" <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Anonymous <cri...@ecn.org> wrote:
Good article, Trace! I do believe you're beginning to see
the Light.
Then you're both moths rushing into a flame.
Here's a little reality for you:
#1. Here's where you should've set forth a "false statement" at the
beginning of the paragraph, as you did in Number 2. But, instead, you
skipped it here, leaving the impression that your opening sentence of
Point Number 2 was YOUR factual statement about the Republican's
spending! See how people get confused, junior, with your posts?
Inconsistency in presenting your argument. And that's why I
sarcastically hit you on it. If you're gonna give us some revelation,
then be consistent in presenting it, instead of requiring we interpret
the puzzle. And then you can be pissed and arrogant we didn't catch your
meaning? LOL! You're confusing to read and understand, as if your brain
is fried on drugs, buster.
#1. Far from "Failed," the Democrats had their eight years
and succeeded brilliantly.
(NOT a false statement you present, as you did in #2) You open one
paragraph with an example of a false statement, then ignore it in the
other. You *****.
Here, you could've given another example of a false statement:
#1. The Democrats have continually overspent. That fantasy was dispelled
when the Clinton administration's conservative budget netted a hefty
surplus.....
GET IT, monkey?? Be consistent!!
The huge deficits left by Reagan
& Bush were replaced by surplus, and economic grown
easily surpassed anything seen during the Reagan years.
Not only did the economy grow for longer than seen under
Reagan, but there was more growth and a significantly
larger percent of the population enjoyed a share in it.
#2.
The Republicans never spent anything like Democrats.
Not ever. That fantasy was debunked during the Reagan
years, when the Republicans controlled the Whitehouse
and the upper house of congress, and sent spending
through the roof. Under Bush, the Republicans did even
worse than the Reagan-error GOP. Reagan at least had
the excuse of starting with a deficit. Bush and his
Republican congress never had that luxury. They began
with a $100+ billion surplus.
Besides quantity, the Republicans beat the Democrats
in their lack of quality spending. While Democrats are
accused of "throwing away" money on social programs,
in a sense trying to help people, the Republicans have
steadfastly refused to help any but their cronies.
Take the perscription drug benefit. They took a great
idea -- helping senior citizens -- and perverted it into
a huge cash give-away to their cronies. They not only
locked the price of drugs in at an artifically high price
(the highest price, actually), but they began payouts
a full two years before the drug benefit went into effect.
What they literally did was financed -- for all their
insider cronies -- the construction of all the new
"Perscription drug benefit plans" that the elderly are
forced to choose from.
And, oh, don't even get me started about corruption!
The last Democratic congress invested more time
investigating Democrats than the Republican congress
used to investogate *Everyone*. Presidential oversight,
for example, fell to nil.
When Clinton was President, and still had a Democratic
congress, he wasn't allowed to place his wife in his own
cabinet, nor any position tha drew a salary. Once the
Republicans took over though, not only were congressional
offices filled with family members, but the Republicans
set up PACs and "charities" to both get around campaign
contribution limits, and to employ their friends &
families (and maybe even themselves).
Let's say you can only accept $2,000 in contribution from
one of the companies whose bill you're endorsing in
congress. Well, that's not much of a bribe. But they can
also contribute $2,000 to your PAC, as well as the PAC
of one of your friends. Then the two of you can make a
"contribution" to each other from your PACs.
As for Charities, well, did you think that a "Charity"
meant "No paid staffers"? Please. That's not even
funny.
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20 Jun 2007 10:49:23 PM |
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"Docrodile" <swampth...@hellsbayou.net> wrote:
#1. The Democrats have continually overspent.
Yet they haven't.
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21 Jun 2007 02:36:55 AM |
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"JTEM" <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"Docrodile" <swampth...@hellsbayou.net> wrote:
#1. The Democrats have continually overspent.
Yet they haven't.
You missed my point about your post's inconsistency. I was giving you an
example of what you SHOULD'VE done on Point #1, but didn't.
No, the Dems haven't continually overspent but conservatives have said
they do. I was giving you an example of how you could've pointed out a
falsehood, generally believed by the public. You should've started your
paragraph with that 'fable' on #1, then gone on to dispel it as a fable.
But you didn't put the 'fable' at the beginning until you got to #2, then
rightly went on to show why it's baloney.
But, unfortunately, on #2, it appears you're contradicting yourself. DO
YOU GET IT NOW? Probably not, but try to be consistent in your
presentation!
Be a consistent monkey! No one likes an inconsistent banana wanking
simian!! You must dance for me, monkey, and dance exactly the way I want!
I won't tolerate any more missteps in your dance. I demand perfection, you
coconut-crackin' primate!!!
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21 Jun 2007 07:11:33 PM |
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"Docrodile" <swampth...@hellsbayou.net> wrote:
I was giving you an example of what you SHOULD'VE done
No, you idiot, you were telling me what *You* would
have done.
And if you were normal you simply would have done it,
instead of starting another pissing match.
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| User: "Docrodile" |
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21 Jun 2007 09:27:54 PM |
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"JTEM" <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"Docrodile" <swampth...@hellsbayou.net> wrote:
I was giving you an example of what you SHOULD'VE done
No, you idiot, you were telling me what *You* would
have done.
And if you were normal you simply would have done it,
instead of starting another pissing match.
Well, monkey, I thought I'd surprise you. Instead of you starting a
"pissing match" as usual, as you did the very first time you plunked down
in this group and took an arrogant swipe at the entire bunch of us, I
thought it'd be refreshing to be how you are for awhile. I'll try on your
stinking shoes for awhile....
Ya know, going around looking for trouble, picking lil' fights with
posters, arrogantly tellin' 'em how stupid they are, how utterly inferior
they are, elevating myself as a virtual authority on so many sundry
subjects (but having trouble looking sane and rational at the same time,
as yourself)....
And, guess what?
It feels really, really crappy.
And then that makes me wonder why I'd want to feel really crappy about
myself -- screwing around with people because I can't find anything else
to do better, as if my behaviour had become as petty and assinine as
your's...trying to use people as entertainment ***** rags because, perhaps,
like you, people have ***** on me earlier in life. Like you, I'm bitter and
don't know what to do with all the bitterness but to scratch and knawl at
others' asses.
And then that made me think about the futility of striking out at people,
of starting *pissing matchs*...well, of course, it doesn't help my
behavioural problems out one goddamned bit, as it hasn't helped your's for
over 15 years of online pissery.
And then THAT made we contemplate that perhaps it's better to simply state
my fucking opinions, in agreement or opposition, without the psychotic
harassment.
Of course, as I'm sure somewhere along the line, like you, I've had these
moments of self-realization and it's made me quite depressed, if not
humbled, and YET...despite the attractiveness of changing my behaviour to
help myself...
....because I'm psychotic, like YOU, I just keep drifting back to ol'
self-defeating behavioural patterns, like a a lil' demon trapped in his
neverending Hell.
Welcome back to Hell again...lil' demon. Feel the warmth of the fire. It
attracts yet it burns, too, don't it, monkey?? Have you checked to find
out what *nursey* and the "sock puppets" are doing right now, or please
tell us what the latest communication from Nostradamus might be. Or,
please tell us again how we know so little, are so "worthless" (yet
apparently fine for killing time and amusement, eh?), and, oh please, tell
us your great revelations about, your insight into, the conspiratorial
complexities of power mechanics. What are they really doing now, Johnny?
Oh, please inform us so that our inferior worthless minds can be
illuminated.
ROFL!!!!
Doc :))~~
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19 Jun 2007 11:45:33 PM |
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On Jun 19, 9:50 pm, Anonymous <cri...@ecn.org> wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2007, Trace <tracey12...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I want to support my president, I really really do, but he is up to
something as are both parties, and they are not telling us what that
something is.
They're selling your fanny down the river, Tracie. They don't care
about you anymore. They're serving profit and power alone. You or
your grandkids are going to end up eaking out a subsistence lifestyle
by digging potatoes on ground you rent from wealthy landowners just
like your ancestors did 2 - 300 years ago.
Ya know what eventually happens as the rich keep getting richer and
the poor keep getting poorer, eh?
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Good article, Trace! I do believe you're beginning to see
the Light. The term "Ex-Republican" is gaining popularity,
Good that you're seeing the light we "liberal atheists" have been
spreading here for the last 5 - 6 years, Dano.
Now when are you going to understand that you've been serving the anti-
christ all your life?
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20 Jun 2007 12:24:15 AM |
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On Jun 19, 9:45 pm, John Lemke <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
Good that you're seeing the light we "liberal atheists" have been
spreading here for the last 5 - 6 years, Dano.
Now when are you going to understand that you've been serving the anti-
christ all your life?
The two of you already have more in common than you think, John. Based
on comments you've both made, you're both filled with contempt for the
government of the United States of America. You're both gradually and
continually moving away from the political center. And since the
political spectrum is a circle (rather than a horizontal line), the
two of you will be meeting on the far side of that circle any day now.
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20 Jun 2007 09:49:35 AM |
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On Jun 20, 1:24 am, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 19, 9:45 pm, John Lemke <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
Good that you're seeing the light we "liberal atheists" have been
spreading here for the last 5 - 6 years, Dano.
Now when are you going to understand that you've been serving the anti-
christ all your life?
The two of you already have more in common than you think, John. Based
on comments you've both made, you're both filled with contempt for the
government of the United States of America.
At the core of this statement is the assumption that the government of
the United States is sacrosanct. That it has never done anything
worthy of contempt.
Blind patriotism proffers the unquestioned commandment that my
government is never wrong, has never been wrong. Highly unrealistic,
completely inaccurate and another attempt at expanding the myth. Blind
patriotism serves the myth and runs counter to healthy democracy.
You're both gradually and
continually moving away from the political center.
Actually 70% of the American public now constitutes the political
center. The republican center is also moving away from the failed
Bush government of the United States and the debacles they've brought
to the world. The Bush performance is being rejected by the people,
the core of the government.
Simply because Mr. Bush represents the government of the United States
does not exempt him and HIS government from contempt.
The errors committed by previous governments, ie. supporting tyrants,
overthrowing democratically elected governments, supporting economic
and political repression in service to American business interests,
enabling murder, torture and even genocide are historical fact and are
most worthy of contempt.
If you attempt to disparage someone for their legitimate dislike for
the crimes committed by elements of the government of the United
States you'll only solidify our opinion that you're nothing but a
dishonest, spinning, and blind ideologue.
And since the
political spectrum is a circle (rather than a horizontal line), the
two of you will be meeting on the far side of that circle any day now.
I'm not surprised that's the view you'd have from the fringe. It must
be a safe place to daydream while the majority of America and a
growing segment of the Republican party grow in their contempt for the
Bush government of the United States.
I'm sure Danny and I will find more common ground as he continues on
his way toward enlightenment. Enjoy your darkness.
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: I Want To Support My President, But..... |
20 Jun 2007 09:19:34 PM |
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On Jun 20, 7:49 am, John Lemke <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
On Jun 20, 1:24 am, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 19, 9:45 pm, John Lemke <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
Good that you're seeing the light we "liberal atheists" have been
spreading here for the last 5 - 6 years, Dano.
Now when are you going to understand that you've been serving the anti-
christ all your life?
The two of you already have more in common than you think, John. Based
on comments you've both made, you're both filled with contempt for the
government of the United States of America.
At the core of this statement is the assumption that the government of
the United States is sacrosanct.
Wrong again -- as you are whenever you make one of your failed
attempts to characterize who I am. Actually, at the core of my
statement was Min's recent remark about "this detestable nation" --
which, I believe, mirrors your own contempt for your country.
That it has never done anything worthy of contempt.
I do recognize that our country is not perfect. Nothing on this earth
is perfect. I just recently had this conversation with Doc. It was
just a few days ago, did you miss it?
Blind patriotism proffers the unquestioned commandment that my
government is never wrong, has never been wrong.
I didn't say that, and have never said that. Therefore, you're wrong
-- again.
Highly unrealistic, completely inaccurate and another attempt at
expanding the myth.
I see -- so you invent a position for me, and then discredit it. Good
one! It goes right along with all your other inventions about who I
am.
Blind patriotism serves the myth and runs counter to healthy
democracy.
I don't subscribe to "blind patriotism" -- therefore, your remarks do
not apply to me.
You're both gradually and
continually moving away from the political center.
Actually 70% of the American public now constitutes the political
center.
As I've said repeatedly, I'm in the 70%. I'm not at all happy with
Bush, but I don't hate him -- and I don't think my country is
"detestable" because Bush is president, just as I didn't think my
country was "detestable" when Jimmy Carter was president (though I
wasn't particularly happy with Carter, either).
The republican center is also moving away from the failed Bush
government of the United States and the debacles they've brought
to the world.
Actually, a majority of Republicans still approve of Bush's job
performance (this does not include me, because I'm not a Republican
and I'm not happy with Bush's job performance).
The Bush performance is being rejected by the people,
the core of the government.
When I mentioned your contempt for the government, I wasn't thinking
of any particular administration or any particular term of Congress.
The *government* of the United States of America transcends
administrations and terms of Congress, just as your contempt for your
country does.
Simply because Mr. Bush represents the government of the United States
does not exempt him and HIS government from contempt.
That's true, but if you think the entire 70% has a level of contempt
to match yours, think again.
The errors committed by previous governments, ie. supporting tyrants,
overthrowing democratically elected governments, supporting economic
and political repression in service to American business interests,
enabling murder, torture and even genocide are historical fact and are
most worthy of contempt.
That's the contempt (from you) that I was thinking of. No, we're far
from perfect. And by the way, British Intelligence assisted in the
1953 overthrow of the Iranian government. Do you have the same
contempt for the British government that you do for your own?
If you attempt to disparage someone for their legitimate dislike for
the crimes committed by elements of the government of the United
States you'll only solidify our opinion that you're nothing but a
dishonest, spinning, and blind ideologue.
Do you think I'm concerned with your collective opinion? The
collective opinion of a small group of extreme leftists? I'm not a
blind ideologue. I know what I believe and why I believe it -- with my
eyes wide open. And maybe if you have actually been reading my posts
for the past few months, you'd know some things you've missed.
And since the
political spectrum is a circle (rather than a horizontal line), the
two of you will be meeting on the far side of that circle any day now.
I'm not surprised that's the view you'd have from the fringe.
You are truly delusional if you think your hatred for your own country
is some moderate, centrist view. Your problem with Hillary Clinton is
that she's not far enough to the left for you. I'd be happier with
Hillary for President than you would. I'm the centrist -- you're the
fringe leftist.
It must be a safe place to daydream while the majority of America and
a growing segment of the Republican party grow in their contempt for
the Bush government of the United States.
You have to get over the idea that I'm happy with Bush. And you should
also understand that I'm not a Republican (though I can certainly
understand why it might appear that way to someone way over on the
fringe where you are).
I'm sure Danny and I will find more common ground as he continues on
his way toward enlightenment. Enjoy your darkness.
You and Min -- a dream team in the making!
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| User: "Docrodile" |
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| Title: Re: I Want To Support My President, But..... |
21 Jun 2007 02:21:38 AM |
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"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1182392374.575627.9820@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 20, 7:49 am, John Lemke <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
On Jun 20, 1:24 am, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 19, 9:45 pm, John Lemke <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
Good that you're seeing the light we "liberal atheists" have been
spreading here for the last 5 - 6 years, Dano.
Now when are you going to understand that you've been serving the
anti-
christ all your life?
The two of you already have more in common than you think, John.
Based
on comments you've both made, you're both filled with contempt for
the
government of the United States of America.
At the core of this statement is the assumption that the government of
the United States is sacrosanct.
Wrong again -- as you are whenever you make one of your failed
attempts to characterize who I am. Actually, at the core of my
statement was Min's recent remark about "this detestable nation" --
which, I believe, mirrors your own contempt for your country.
That it has never done anything worthy of contempt.
I do recognize that our country is not perfect. Nothing on this earth
is perfect. I just recently had this conversation with Doc. It was
just a few days ago, did you miss it?
Blind patriotism proffers the unquestioned commandment that my
government is never wrong, has never been wrong.
I didn't say that, and have never said that. Therefore, you're wrong
-- again.
Highly unrealistic, completely inaccurate and another attempt at
expanding the myth.
I see -- so you invent a position for me, and then discredit it. Good
one! It goes right along with all your other inventions about who I
am.
Blind patriotism serves the myth and runs counter to healthy
democracy.
I don't subscribe to "blind patriotism" -- therefore, your remarks do
not apply to me.
You're both gradually and
continually moving away from the political center.
Actually 70% of the American public now constitutes the political
center.
As I've said repeatedly, I'm in the 70%. I'm not at all happy with
Bush, but I don't hate him -- and I don't think my country is
"detestable" because Bush is president, just as I didn't think my
country was "detestable" when Jimmy Carter was president (though I
wasn't particularly happy with Carter, either).
LOL!! So, the *country* becomes the leader to you right-winger -- if
leftists hate the leader, then that's hatred for the country...as if
nothing else is seriously evil and wrong about America, other than our
hatred for a bad leader! Well, then all we have to do is elect another
leader to redeem ourselves totally, eh? If we like that new leader, then
we'll have no other reasons to not like the nation. When you said that I
choose to be unhappy with America, that showed me you're a person who
hasn't experienced the darkside of the nation, suffered in it greatly, as
many have. To you as a privileged fortunate American, unhappiness with the
culture, the system must be only a choice we have to make. No one is
forced into thinking it's a hellhole of greed, violence, lies, fear,
fanaticism, self-centeredness, phoniness, arrogance...no sireee! It was
all a choice disgruntled Americans made to experience all the ***** of
their nation, to suffer much in it. For you Stevie dear, bad things happen
to Americans because they've chosen to be a non-cheerleader, a
self-deluded participant, a proselytizer for the utopia's faithful. Yet,
in this forum, you can't keep from entertaining your bottomless pit of
narcissism, being manipulative, arrogant, obsessively nitpicking, or
present yourself as simply one more ***** with an opinion -- oh nooo!
You're putting the spit and polish on America, making it shine in the sun,
like a kid with his first car, so proud of how it shines and how people
agree it is most pretty to look at.
Then you hop into the glittering chariot and proudly show it off as you
spin down the roads, radio blaring, tapping your toes to the tunes. It's a
beautiful day in America, ain't it, kid? -- as you roar past the homeless,
fly by the nursing homes, rumble past the nice homes where broken families
reside, whiz past the schools where disrespect for teachers and violence
ripple, zoom past the shopping centers of crappy products made overseas,
blast past that guy in front of you and give him a middle finger and a
honk to let him know how beautiful you think the utopia is for ya!! You
chose to be happy today, and anyone else you rolled past that wasn't, just
chose to be unhappy.
Doc :))~~
s the view you'd have from the fringe.
You are truly delusional if you think your hatred for your own country
is some moderate, centrist view. Your problem with Hillary Clinton is
that she's not far enough to the left for you. I'd be happier with
Hillary for President than you would. I'm the centrist -- you're the
fringe leftist.
It must be a safe place to daydream while the majority of America and
a growing segment of the Republican party grow in their contempt for
the Bush government of the United States.
You have to get over the idea that I'm happy with Bush. And you should
also understand that I'm not a Republican (though I can certainly
understand why it might appear that way to someone way over on the
fringe where you are).
I'm sure Danny and I will find more common ground as he continues on
his way toward enlightenment. Enjoy your darkness.
You and Min -- a dream team in the making!
.
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| User: "James Norris" |
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| Title: Re: I Want To Support My President, But..... |
21 Jun 2007 02:23:16 AM |
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On Jun 21, 8:21?am, "Docrodile" <swampth...@hellsbayou.net> wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1182392374.575627.9820@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 20, 7:49 am, John Lemke <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
On Jun 20, 1:24 am, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 19, 9:45 pm, John Lemke <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
Good that you're seeing the light we "liberal atheists" have been
spreading here for the last 5 - 6 years, Dano.
Now when are you going to understand that you've been serving the
anti-
christ all your life?
The two of you already have more in common than you think, John.
Based
on comments you've both made, you're both filled with contempt for
the
government of the United States of America.
At the core of this statement is the assumption that the government of
the United States is sacrosanct.
Wrong again -- as you are whenever you make one of your failed
attempts to characterize who I am. Actually, at the core of my
statement was Min's recent remark about "this detestable nation" --
which, I believe, mirrors your own contempt for your country.
That it has never done anything worthy of contempt.
I do recognize that our country is not perfect. Nothing on this earth
is perfect. I just recently had this conversation with Doc. It was
just a few days ago, did you miss it?
Blind patriotism proffers the unquestioned commandment that my
government is never wrong, has never been wrong.
I didn't say that, and have never said that. Therefore, you're wrong
-- again.
Highly unrealistic, completely inaccurate and another attempt at
expanding the myth.
I see -- so you invent a position for me, and then discredit it. Good
one! It goes right along with all your other inventions about who I
am.
Blind patriotism serves the myth and runs counter to healthy
democracy.
I don't subscribe to "blind patriotism" -- therefore, your remarks do
not apply to me.
You're both gradually and
continually moving away from the political center.
Actually 70% of the American public now constitutes the political
center.
As I've said repeatedly, I'm in the 70%. I'm not at all happy with
Bush, but I don't hate him -- and I don't think my country is
"detestable" because Bush is president, just as I didn't think my
country was "detestable" when Jimmy Carter was president (though I
wasn't particularly happy with Carter, either).
LOL!! So, the *country* becomes the leader to you right-winger -- if
leftists hate the leader, then that's hatred for the country...as if
nothing else is seriously evil and wrong about America, other than our
hatred for a bad leader! Well, then all we have to do is elect another
leader to redeem ourselves totally, eh? If we like that new leader, then
we'll have no other reasons to not like the nation. When you said that I
choose to be unhappy with America, that showed me you're a person who
hasn't experienced the darkside of the nation, suffered in it greatly, as
many have. To you as a privileged fortunate American, unhappiness with the
culture, the system must be only a choice we have to make. No one is
forced into thinking it's a hellhole of greed, violence, lies, fear,
fanaticism, self-centeredness, phoniness, arrogance...no sireee! It was
all a choice disgruntled Americans made to experience all the ***** of
their nation, to suffer much in it. For you Stevie dear, bad things happen
to Americans because they've chosen to be a non-cheerleader, a
self-deluded participant, a proselytizer for the utopia's faithful. Yet,
in this forum, you can't keep from entertaining your bottomless pit of
narcissism, being manipulative, arrogant, obsessively nitpicking, or
present yourself as simply one more ***** with an opinion -- oh nooo!
You're putting the spit and polish on America, making it shine in the sun,
like a kid with his first car, so proud of how it shines and how people
agree it is most pretty to look at.
Then you hop into the glittering chariot and proudly show it off as you
spin down the roads, radio blaring, tapping your toes to the tunes. It's a
beautiful day in America, ain't it, kid? -- as you roar past the homeless,
fly by the nursing homes, rumble past the nice homes where broken families
reside, whiz past the schools where disrespect for teachers and violence
ripple, zoom past the shopping centers of crappy products made overseas,
blast past that guy in front of you and give him a middle finger and a
honk to let him know how beautiful you think the utopia is for ya!! You
chose to be happy today, and anyone else you rolled past that wasn't, just
chose to be unhappy.
Doc :))~~
s the view you'd have from the fringe.
You are truly delusional if you think your hatred for your own country
is some moderate, centrist view. Your problem with Hillary Clinton is
that she's not far enough to the left for you. I'd be happier with
Hillary for President than you would. I'm the centrist -- you're the
fringe leftist.
It must be a safe place to daydream while the majority of America and
a growing segment of the Republican party grow in their contempt for
the Bush government of the United States.
You have to get over the idea that I'm happy with Bush. And you should
also understand that I'm not a Republican (though I can certainly
understand why it might appear that way to someone way over on the
fringe where you are).
I'm sure Danny and I will find more common ground as he continues on
his way toward enlightenment. Enjoy your darkness.
You and Min -- a dream team in the making!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I have to say that your insightful and well-written remarks about this
complex topic really impressed me. Your have restored my faith in
usenet newsgroups as a medium for meaningful discussions between
intelligent human beings. Well done!
============================================
"If one doesn't clean the windows, the cat will be perplexed!"
Albert Einstein
http://archetype.com/macro_001.html
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| User: "James Norris" |
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| Title: Re: I Want To Support My President, But..... |
21 Jun 2007 02:50:57 AM |
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On Jun 21, 8:21?am, "Docrodile" <swampth...@hellsbayou.net> wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1182392374.575627.9820@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 20, 7:49 am, John Lemke <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
On Jun 20, 1:24 am, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 19, 9:45 pm, John Lemke <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
Good that you're seeing the light we "liberal atheists" have been
spreading here for the last 5 - 6 years, Dano.
Now when are you going to understand that you've been serving the
anti-
christ all your life?
The two of you already have more in common than you think, John.
Based
on comments you've both made, you're both filled with contempt for
the
government of the United States of America.
At the core of this statement is the assumption that the government of
the United States is sacrosanct.
Wrong again -- as you are whenever you make one of your failed
attempts to characterize who I am. Actually, at the core of my
statement was Min's recent remark about "this detestable nation" --
which, I believe, mirrors your own contempt for your country.
That it has never done anything worthy of contempt.
I do recognize that our country is not perfect. Nothing on this earth
is perfect. I just recently had this conversation with Doc. It was
just a few days ago, did you miss it?
Blind patriotism proffers the unquestioned commandment that my
government is never wrong, has never been wrong.
I didn't say that, and have never said that. Therefore, you're wrong
-- again.
Highly unrealistic, completely inaccurate and another attempt at
expanding the myth.
I see -- so you invent a position for me, and then discredit it. Good
one! It goes right along with all your other inventions about who I
am.
Blind patriotism serves the myth and runs counter to healthy
democracy.
I don't subscribe to "blind patriotism" -- therefore, your remarks do
not apply to me.
You're both gradually and
continually moving away from the political center.
Actually 70% of the American public now constitutes the political
center.
As I've said repeatedly, I'm in the 70%. I'm not at all happy with
Bush, but I don't hate him -- and I don't think my country is
"detestable" because Bush is president, just as I didn't think my
country was "detestable" when Jimmy Carter was president (though I
wasn't particularly happy with Carter, either).
LOL!! So, the *country* becomes the leader to you right-winger -- if
leftists hate the leader, then that's hatred for the country...as if
nothing else is seriously evil and wrong about America, other than our
hatred for a bad leader! Well, then all we have to do is elect another
leader to redeem ourselves totally, eh? If we like that new leader, then
we'll have no other reasons to not like the nation. When you said that I
choose to be unhappy with America, that showed me you're a person who
hasn't experienced the darkside of the nation, suffered in it greatly, as
many have. To you as a privileged fortunate American, unhappiness with the
culture, the system must be only a choice we have to make. No one is
forced into thinking it's a hellhole of greed, violence, lies, fear,
fanaticism, self-centeredness, phoniness, arrogance...no sireee! It was
all a choice disgruntled Americans made to experience all the ***** of
their nation, to suffer much in it. For you Stevie dear, bad things happen
to Americans because they've chosen to be a non-cheerleader, a
self-deluded participant, a proselytizer for the utopia's faithful. Yet,
in this forum, you can't keep from entertaining your bottomless pit of
narcissism, being manipulative, arrogant, obsessively nitpicking, or
present yourself as simply one more ***** with an opinion -- oh nooo!
You're putting the spit and polish on America, making it shine in the sun,
like a kid with his first car, so proud of how it shines and how people
agree it is most pretty to look at.
Then you hop into the glittering chariot and proudly show it off as you
spin down the roads, radio blaring, tapping your toes to the tunes. It's a
beautiful day in America, ain't it, kid? -- as you roar past the homeless,
fly by the nursing homes, rumble past the nice homes where broken families
reside, whiz past the schools where disrespect for teachers and violence
ripple, zoom past the shopping centers of crappy products made overseas,
blast past that guy in front of you and give him a middle finger and a
honk to let him know how beautiful you think the utopia is for ya!! You
chose to be happy today, and anyone else you rolled past that wasn't, just
chose to be unhappy.
Doc :))~~
s the view you'd have from the fringe.
You are truly delusional if you think your hatred for your own country
is some moderate, centrist view. Your problem with Hillary Clinton is
that she's not far enough to the left for you. I'd be happier with
Hillary for President than you would. I'm the centrist -- you're the
fringe leftist.
It must be a safe place to daydream while the majority of America and
a growing segment of the Republican party grow in their contempt for
the Bush government of the United States.
You have to get over the idea that I'm happy with Bush. And you should
also understand that I'm not a Republican (though I can certainly
understand why it might appear that way to someone way over on the
fringe where you are).
I'm sure Danny and I will find more common ground as he continues on
his way toward enlightenment. Enjoy your darkness.
You and Min -- a dream team in the making!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I have to say that your insightful and well-written remarks about this
complex topic really impressed me. Your have restored my faith in
usenet newsgroups as a medium for meaningful discussions between
intelligent human beings. Well done!
============================================
"If one doesn't clean the windows, the cat will be perplexed!"
Albert Einstein
http://archetype.com/macro_001.html
===========================================
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| User: "John Lemke" |
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| Title: Re: I Want To Support My President, But..... |
21 Jun 2007 09:59:19 PM |
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On Jun 20, 10:19 pm, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 20, 7:49 am, John Lemke <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
On Jun 20, 1:24 am, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 19, 9:45 pm, John Lemke <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
Good that you're seeing the light we "liberal atheists" have been
spreading here for the last 5 - 6 years, Dano.
Now when are you going to understand that you've been serving the anti-
christ all your life?
The two of you already have more in common than you think, John. Based
on comments you've both made, you're both filled with contempt for the
government of the United States of America.
At the core of this statement is the assumption that the government of
the United States is sacrosanct.
Wrong again -- as you are whenever you make one of your failed
attempts to characterize who I am.
Nobody cares who you are. We just like to see you whine tho.
I do recognize that our country is not perfect. Nothing on this earth
is perfect. I just recently had this conversation with Doc. It was
just a few days ago, did you miss it?
There's the Stevie shrug when the subject of American serial sin
abroad comes up.
We'll add scoundrel to your resume also.
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| User: "Perseid" |
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| Title: Re: I Want To Support My President, But..... |
22 Jun 2007 12:13:52 AM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, John Lemke <jflemke@locallink.net>
Spat the Words
On Jun 20, 10:19 pm, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 20, 7:49 am, John Lemke <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
Wrong again -- as you are whenever you make one of your failed
attempts to characterize who I am.
Nobody cares who you are. We just like to see you whine tho.
I do recognize that our country is not perfect. Nothing on this earth
is perfect. I just recently had this conversation with Doc. It was
just a few days ago, did you miss it?
There's the Stevie shrug when the subject of American serial sin
abroad comes up.
We'll add scoundrel to your resume also.
Stevie just continues to receive collective scorn. I wonder if
it's getting through to his walnut-sized brain that there's something
wrong with his approach and he might want to try a different group.
Denial seems to be a defining characteristic of these facist bush monkeys
(blatant lying is the other distinctive peculiarity).
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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| Title: Re: I Want To Support My President, But..... |
20 Jun 2007 04:36:05 PM |
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 07:49:35 -0700, John Lemke wrote:
On Jun 20, 1:24 am, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 19, 9:45 pm, John Lemke <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
Good that you're seeing the light we "liberal atheists" have been
spreading here for the last 5 - 6 years, Dano.
Now when are you going to understand that you've been serving the anti-
christ all your life?
The two of you already have more in common than you think, John. Based
on comments you've both made, you're both filled with contempt for the
government of the United States of America.
At the core of this statement is the assumption that the government of
the United States is sacrosanct. That it has never done anything
worthy of contempt.
Blind patriotism proffers the unquestioned commandment that my
government is never wrong, has never been wrong. Highly unrealistic,
completely inaccurate and another attempt at expanding the myth. Blind
patriotism serves the myth and runs counter to healthy democracy.
That was the core of the Nationalist party, you know. That should be more
than enough for blind, unquestioning patriotism/nationalism be a raving
red flag to anyone who truly loves America.
Woods
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: I Want To Support My President, But..... |
20 Jun 2007 09:21:37 PM |
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On Jun 20, 2:36 pm, Woodswun <woods...@tepidmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 07:49:35 -0700, John Lemke wrote:
On Jun 20, 1:24 am, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 19, 9:45 pm, John Lemke <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
Good that you're seeing the light we "liberal atheists" have been
spreading here for the last 5 - 6 years, Dano.
Now when are you going to understand that you've been serving the anti-
christ all your life?
The two of you already have more in common than you think, John. Based
on comments you've both made, you're both filled with contempt for the
government of the United States of America.
At the core of this statement is the assumption that the government of
the United States is sacrosanct. That it has never done anything
worthy of contempt.
Blind patriotism proffers the unquestioned commandment that my
government is never wrong, has never been wrong. Highly unrealistic,
completely inaccurate and another attempt at expanding the myth. Blind
patriotism serves the myth and runs counter to healthy democracy.
That was the core of the Nationalist party, you know. That should be more
than enough for blind, unquestioning patriotism/nationalism be a raving
red flag to anyone who truly loves America.
You think I'm a candidate for the Nationalist Party? They are
isolationists, just like you. They have more in common with Pat
Buchanan than they do with me. And you're the person who has cited Pat
Buchanan as some sort of wise man. Maybe you're a better candidate for
the Nationalist Party than I am?
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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21 Jun 2007 04:31:18 PM |
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:21:37 -0700, Steven Douglas wrote:
On Jun 20, 2:36 pm, Woodswun <woods...@tepidmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 07:49:35 -0700, John Lemke wrote:
On Jun 20, 1:24 am, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 19, 9:45 pm, John Lemke <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
Good that you're seeing the light we "liberal atheists" have been
spreading here for the last 5 - 6 years, Dano.
Now when are you going to understand that you've been serving the anti-
christ all your life?
The two of you already have more in common than you think, John. Based
on comments you've both made, you're both filled with contempt for the
government of the United States of America.
At the core of this statement is the assumption that the government of
the United States is sacrosanct. That it has never done anything
worthy of contempt.
Blind patriotism proffers the unquestioned commandment that my
government is never wrong, has never been wrong. Highly unrealistic,
completely inaccurate and another attempt at expanding the myth. Blind
patriotism serves the myth and runs counter to healthy democracy.
That was the core of the Nationalist party, you know. That should be more
than enough for blind, unquestioning patriotism/nationalism be a raving
red flag to anyone who truly loves America.
You think I'm a candidate for the Nationalist Party? They are
isolationists, just like you. They have more in common with Pat
Buchanan than they do with me. And you're the person who has cited Pat
Buchanan as some sort of wise man. Maybe you're a better candidate for
the Nationalist Party than I am?
Interesting. I post a response to a post about blind
nationalism/patriotism, and you assume it's all about you.
Woods
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: I Want To Support My President, But..... |
21 Jun 2007 11:01:47 PM |
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On Jun 21, 2:31 pm, Woodswun <woods...@tepidmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:21:37 -0700, Steven Douglas wrote:
On Jun 20, 2:36 pm, Woodswun <woods...@tepidmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 07:49:35 -0700, John Lemke wrote:
On Jun 20, 1:24 am, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 19, 9:45 pm, John Lemke <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
Good that you're seeing the light we "liberal atheists" have been
spreading here for the last 5 - 6 years, Dano.
Now when are you going to understand that you've been serving the anti-
christ all your life?
The two of you already have more in common than you think, John. Based
on comments you've both made, you're both filled with contempt for the
government of the United States of America.
At the core of this statement is the assumption that the government of
the United States is sacrosanct. That it has never done anything
worthy of contempt.
Blind patriotism proffers the unquestioned commandment that my
government is never wrong, has never been wrong. Highly unrealistic,
completely inaccurate and another attempt at expanding the myth. Blind
patriotism serves the myth and runs counter to healthy democracy.
That was the core of the Nationalist party, you know. That should be more
than enough for blind, unquestioning patriotism/nationalism be a raving
red flag to anyone who truly loves America.
You think I'm a candidate for the Nationalist Party? They are
isolationists, just like you. They have more in common with Pat
Buchanan than they do with me. And you're the person who has cited Pat
Buchanan as some sort of wise man. Maybe you're a better candidate for
the Nationalist Party than I am?
Interesting. I post a response to a post about blind
nationalism/patriotism, and you assume it's all about you.
You're right. John's comments don't apply to me, so I'll accept that
it wasn't about me. I'll also assume his further posts in this thread
are not about me as well. Thanks, that was easy.
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| User: "Docrodile" |
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| Title: Re: I Want To Support My President, But..... |
21 Jun 2007 11:32:41 PM |
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"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1182484907.959002.309300@a26g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 21, 2:31 pm, Woodswun <woods...@tepidmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:21:37 -0700, Steven Douglas wrote:
On Jun 20, 2:36 pm, Woodswun <woods...@tepidmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 07:49:35 -0700, John Lemke wrote:
On Jun 20, 1:24 am, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 19, 9:45 pm, John Lemke <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
Good that you're seeing the light we "liberal atheists" have
been
spreading here for the last 5 - 6 years, Dano.
Now when are you going to understand that you've been serving
the anti-
christ all your life?
The two of you already have more in common than you think, John.
Based
on comments you've both made, you're both filled with contempt
for the
government of the United States of America.
At the core of this statement is the assumption that the
government of
the United States is sacrosanct. That it has never done anything
worthy of contempt.
Blind patriotism proffers the unquestioned commandment that my
government is never wrong, has never been wrong. Highly
unrealistic,
completely inaccurate and another attempt at expanding the myth.
Blind
patriotism serves the myth and runs counter to healthy democracy.
That was the core of the Nationalist party, you know. That should
be more
than enough for blind, unquestioning patriotism/nationalism be a
raving
red flag to anyone who truly loves America.
You think I'm a candidate for the Nationalist Party? They are
isolationists, just like you. They have more in common with Pat
Buchanan than they do with me. And you're the person who has cited
Pat
Buchanan as some sort of wise man. Maybe you're a better candidate
for
the Nationalist Party than I am?
Interesting. I post a response to a post about blind
nationalism/patriotism, and you assume it's all about you.
You're right. John's comments don't apply to me, so I'll accept that
it wasn't about me. I'll also assume his further posts in this thread
are not about me as well. Thanks, that was easy.
Huh??? What the --- ??? LOL! When trapped, the ego-defensive Steven
creature mutates into a billowy big accomodating sponge in an attempt to
soften the sharp point of an acidic attack of truth about an unseemly part
of his psychotic personality. He soaks himself really, really good,
though, in the laughable process, and weighted heavily with sticky
wetness, struggles to reassert his imagined domination of the *debate.*
The audience is giggling...
:))~
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: I Want To Support My President, But..... |
22 Jun 2007 07:29:04 AM |
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On Jun 21, 9:32 pm, "Docrodile" <swampth...@hellsbayou.net> wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1182484907.959002.309300@a26g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 21, 2:31 pm, Woodswun <woods...@tepidmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:21:37 -0700, Steven Douglas wrote:
On Jun 20, 2:36 pm, Woodswun <woods...@tepidmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 07:49:35 -0700, John Lemke wrote:
On Jun 20, 1:24 am, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 19, 9:45 pm, John Lemke <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
Good that you're seeing the light we "liberal atheists" have
been
spreading here for the last 5 - 6 years, Dano.
Now when are you going to understand that you've been serving
the anti-
christ all your life?
The two of you already have more in common than you think, John.
Based
on comments you've both made, you're both filled with contempt
for the
government of the United States of America.
At the core of this statement is the assumption that the
government of
the United States is sacrosanct. That it has never done anything
worthy of contempt.
Blind patriotism proffers the unquestioned commandment that my
government is never wrong, has never been wrong. Highly
unrealistic,
completely inaccurate and another attempt at expanding the myth.
Blind
patriotism serves the myth and runs counter to healthy democracy.
That was the core of the Nationalist party, you know. That should
be more
than enough for blind, unquestioning patriotism/nationalism be a
raving
red flag to anyone who truly loves America.
You think I'm a candidate for the Nationalist Party? They are
isolationists, just like you. They have more in common with Pat
Buchanan than they do with me. And you're the person who has cited
Pat
Buchanan as some sort of wise man. Maybe you're a better candidate
for
the Nationalist Party than I am?
Interesting. I post a response to a post about blind
nationalism/patriotism, and you assume it's all about you.
You're right. John's comments don't apply to me, so I'll accept that
it wasn't about me. I'll also assume his further posts in this thread
are not about me as well. Thanks, that was easy.
Huh??? What the --- ??? LOL! When trapped, the ego-defensive Steven
creature mutates into a billowy big accomodating sponge in an attempt to
soften the sharp point of an acidic attack of truth about an unseemly part
of his psychotic personality. He soaks himself really, really good,
though, in the laughable process, and weighted heavily with sticky
wetness, struggles to reassert his imagined domination of the *debate.*
The audience is giggling...
The audience being this tiny little *collective* of marginalized
fringe leftists? So what?
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| User: "John Lemke" |
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| Title: Re: I Want To Support My President, But..... |
22 Jun 2007 07:42:34 AM |
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On Jun 22, 8:29 am, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
The audience being this tiny little *collective* of marginalized
fringe leftists? So what?
Of course it's nothing, you deluded little *****, the "fringe leftists
are now 70% of the American public.
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: I Want To Support My President, But..... |
23 Jun 2007 12:11:21 AM |
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On Jun 22, 5:42 am, John Lemke <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
On Jun 22, 8:29 am, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
The audience being this tiny little *collective* of marginalized
fringe leftists? So what?
Of course it's nothing, you deluded little *****, the "fringe leftists
are now 70% of the American public.
Since I'm part of the 70%, does that make me a fringe leftist too?
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| User: "John Lemke" |
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| Title: Re: I Want To Support My President, But..... |
25 Jun 2007 09:04:30 PM |
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On Jun 23, 1:11 am, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 22, 5:42 am, John Lemke <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
On Jun 22, 8:29 am, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
The audience being this tiny little *collective* of marginalized
fringe leftists? So what?
Of course it's nothing, you deluded little *****, the "fringe leftists
are now 70% of the American public.
Since I'm part of the 70%, does that make me a fringe leftist too?
I'd say you were probably among the lunatic fringe rightists who's
reasons to dislike Bush happen to mesh with others who disagree with
his immigration policies.
It may not be a full 72% now that dislike him for any old fashioned
"leftist" concerns. Anger over the war was the largest issue. Now his
hamfisted approach
to providing cheap labor for his wealthy cohorts added folks like you
to the list. So no, not everyone who disapproves of Mr. Bush's
performance would be classified as a leftist.
I guess that angry base is broadening on a daily basis tho.
So I'll admit I'm imperfect. :-) But I'm not nearly as imperfect nor
as murderous as the children in power who brought us these
"imperfections".
Ignoring Richard
Clark, ignoring the Cole, ignoring the PDB, ignoring the attempted
invervention on Rice and the Crawford One-on-One with Tenet on Osama,
Yellowcake, no al-Qaeda in Iraq, trumped up links between Saddam and
9-11, ignoring the insurgency, ignoring the Iraqi People, ignoring
Afghanistan, Body Armor, Abu Ghraib, Tora Bora, Gitmo, revoking
Habeaus Corpus, the Katrina aftermath, ignoring both Fact and Science
on climate change and stem cells, the Voter Caging, Freedom Fries,
the midnight ride to Terry Schiavo's hospice, the Domestic Spying,
The NSL's, outing Valerie Plame-Wilson, Diebold, Abramov, Safavian,
Guckert, the "fucking faith-based thing", the midnight ride to
Ashcroft's bedside, the Partisan Purging of DOJ and Civic Rights
Division, Walter Reed, the Cheney Branch of Government and most of
all -- the endless lies and bullcrap about all the above.
That's where most of us "leftists" are. And those are only the
murderous "imperfections" coming out of the last 6 1/2 years.
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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| Title: Re: I Want To Support My President, But..... |
22 Jun 2007 06:58:46 AM |
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 21:01:47 -0700, Steven Douglas wrote:
On Jun 21, 2:31 pm, Woodswun <woods...@tepidmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:21:37 -0700, Steven Douglas wrote:
On Jun 20, 2:36 pm, Woodswun <woods...@tepidmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 07:49:35 -0700, John Lemke wrote:
On Jun 20, 1:24 am, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 19, 9:45 pm, John Lemke <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
Good that you're seeing the light we "liberal atheists" have been
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