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User: "eric"
Date: 02 Nov 2004 10:32:25 AM
Object: Re: Is G.W the Antichrist?
"Eric Griswold" <eric@clevian.com> wrote in message
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The identities of the first two are clear. "PAU NAY LORON" is an anagram

for

Napaulon Roy, (or "Napoleon the king" in the Corsican spelling) and

"HISTER"

is taken as a reference to Hitler, especially when he is also called
"captain of the crooked cross", and "captain of Greater Germany".

Granted Nostradamus used funny mispellings, flipped numbers around (e.g.,
9 - 6 or 99 - 69, etc) and anagrams in some or most of his prophecies. If
one really digs into the man himself, you will find that he healed people
(using conventional methods, NOT magic), helped the poor and needed to the
point of keeping himself impoverished. He was a Christian, except that he
dabbled with meditation and swirling water (?) in a pot to help him make
predictions. I'm not saying he was a true prophet as some of his dates have
come to pass with no impacts. But he does state up front that these things
can be avoided.

Nostradamus scholars have found the identity of the third antichrist,

called

"MABUS",
far more elusive. On the one hand he seems to be a Middle-Eastern figure:
"He of the white turban" and "The man of blood, to whom the number [of

dead]

is reported." On the other hand, he seems clearly connected with the

West:

"The dreadful war is being prepared in the West", and "The new land shall

be

at the height of her powers."

Since MABUS is so popular, let's take a looksie. In Hisler, the letter s is
the letter before the t. After playing around with each individual letter
in MABUS, both forward and backward one letter, some interesting "things"
pop up. I'll leave it up to the reader to play around with...
www.wordsmith.org/anagram .
Of course, everything in the quatrains is pure speculation since Nostry
isn't here to interpret them.
-eric
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User: "gw"

Title: Re: Is G.W the Antichrist? 11 Nov 2004 12:21:38 PM
"eric" <ecantrel@msn.com> wrote in message news:<4187b461_1@127.0.0.1>...

"Eric Griswold" <eric@clevian.com> wrote in message
news:cm5sk8$9f8$2@uwm.edu...


The identities of the first two are clear. "PAU NAY LORON" is an anagram

for

Napaulon Roy, (or "Napoleon the king" in the Corsican spelling) and

"HISTER"

is taken as a reference to Hitler, especially when he is also called
"captain of the crooked cross", and "captain of Greater Germany".


Granted Nostradamus used funny mispellings, flipped numbers around (e.g.,
9 - 6 or 99 - 69, etc) and anagrams in some or most of his prophecies. If
one really digs into the man himself, you will find that he healed people
(using conventional methods, NOT magic), helped the poor and needed to the
point of keeping himself impoverished. He was a Christian, except that he
dabbled with meditation and swirling water (?) in a pot to help him make
predictions. I'm not saying he was a true prophet as some of his dates have
come to pass with no impacts.

Yet you contradict your fundamental ideaological assumption by
admitting that in essence, there's no way to know for sure since 'N'
isn't here to interpret what he meant.
So how can you insinuate what he might or might not be based on your
claim some of his "prophecies" didn't occur? How do you know his dates
have come to pass with no impacts? Upon what evidence do you base
your opinion? Other fools who call themselves experts and give
interpretations? At the least you should practice what you preach by
giving no such opinion other than you don't know for sure because he's
not here to interpret or you and most don't have the knowledge to make
any such judgements. If you're going to say anything about what he is
or isn't or what is true or isn't, you sure better show some hardcore
evidence to support what you claim.
You have to be as ignorant as those you criticize.
You've made so many blind assumptions and statements its sad because
you perpetuate ignorance and show no understanding of Nostradamus or
any evidence
that you actually did do some serious research. If you "dig" you
find that there's more evidence he was not Christian

But he does state up front that these things
can be avoided.

Ever thought about the possibility that he was wrong or what he said
was
misinterpreted? If he saw what he prophecied, then he's seeing things
that
have happened and therefore cannot be changed. I have yet to see any
good arguments against that.
Has he had "hits" or made accurate prognostications for events past or
present that go beyond coincidence?
Yes he has, many times and many unique events have connected to his
work.
I don't think its possible to prove a miss in this case, but there's
many
hits showing an accuracy few will admit because of most people today
not having
any authority or true knowledge on his work or prophecy and objective
interpretation of it.


Nostradamus scholars have found the identity of the third antichrist,

called

"MABUS",
far more elusive. On the one hand he seems to be a Middle-Eastern figure:
"He of the white turban" and "The man of blood, to whom the number [of

dead]

is reported." On the other hand, he seems clearly connected with the

West:

"The dreadful war is being prepared in the West", and "The new land shall

be

at the height of her powers."



Since MABUS is so popular, let's take a looksie. In Hisler, the letter s is
the letter before the t. After playing around with each individual letter
in MABUS, both forward and backward one letter, some interesting "things"
pop up. I'll leave it up to the reader to play around with...

Lets see how much you've "digged" then. Why not take a stab at the
meaning. Just using your theory of playing around with letters there's
one interpretation that stands out more than any other for mabus. I
wonder if you've figured it out. I'll give you a hint, using the link
you give for anagrams and flipping some things around, I can't see how
anyone can miss or
say its not the most interesting of all.
Or tell us the pool of "experts" you've researched upon which your
opinion is based.
I'm curious how open or objective you really are compared to so many
here who allow biases to influence their opinion


Of course, everything in the quatrains is pure speculation since Nostry
isn't here to interpret them.

-eric

oh really
.
User: "Jean Guernon"

Title: Re: Is G.W the Antichrist? 11 Nov 2004 02:32:22 PM
Well, it seems that your idol so11og had something right about
Nostradamus which you picked up.
Of course Slowdog was completely in the potatoes about being a prophet
himself, let alone his pretense he was better than the Seer.
But I must give you that here, you have the way to handle losers like
eric. Not that PAU NAY LORON were anything else than the names of these
locations. But that is another story. I have yet to see you discuss the
prophecies proper in such a manner.
J.
gw a écrit:

"eric" <ecantrel@msn.com> wrote in message news:<4187b461_1@127.0.0.1>...

"Eric Griswold" <eric@clevian.com> wrote in message
news:cm5sk8$9f8$2@uwm.edu...

The identities of the first two are clear. "PAU NAY LORON" is an anagram


for

Napaulon Roy, (or "Napoleon the king" in the Corsican spelling) and


"HISTER"

is taken as a reference to Hitler, especially when he is also called
"captain of the crooked cross", and "captain of Greater Germany".


Granted Nostradamus used funny mispellings, flipped numbers around (e.g.,
9 - 6 or 99 - 69, etc) and anagrams in some or most of his prophecies. If
one really digs into the man himself, you will find that he healed people
(using conventional methods, NOT magic), helped the poor and needed to the
point of keeping himself impoverished. He was a Christian, except that he
dabbled with meditation and swirling water (?) in a pot to help him make
predictions. I'm not saying he was a true prophet as some of his dates have
come to pass with no impacts.



Yet you contradict your fundamental ideaological assumption by
admitting that in essence, there's no way to know for sure since 'N'
isn't here to interpret what he meant.
So how can you insinuate what he might or might not be based on your
claim some of his "prophecies" didn't occur? How do you know his dates
have come to pass with no impacts? Upon what evidence do you base
your opinion? Other fools who call themselves experts and give
interpretations? At the least you should practice what you preach by
giving no such opinion other than you don't know for sure because he's
not here to interpret or you and most don't have the knowledge to make
any such judgements. If you're going to say anything about what he is
or isn't or what is true or isn't, you sure better show some hardcore
evidence to support what you claim.

You have to be as ignorant as those you criticize.

You've made so many blind assumptions and statements its sad because
you perpetuate ignorance and show no understanding of Nostradamus or
any evidence
that you actually did do some serious research. If you "dig" you
find that there's more evidence he was not Christian


But he does state up front that these things
can be avoided.



Ever thought about the possibility that he was wrong or what he said
was
misinterpreted? If he saw what he prophecied, then he's seeing things
that
have happened and therefore cannot be changed. I have yet to see any
good arguments against that.

Has he had "hits" or made accurate prognostications for events past or
present that go beyond coincidence?

Yes he has, many times and many unique events have connected to his
work.

I don't think its possible to prove a miss in this case, but there's
many
hits showing an accuracy few will admit because of most people today
not having
any authority or true knowledge on his work or prophecy and objective
interpretation of it.


Nostradamus scholars have found the identity of the third antichrist,


called

"MABUS",
far more elusive. On the one hand he seems to be a Middle-Eastern figure:
"He of the white turban" and "The man of blood, to whom the number [of


dead]

is reported." On the other hand, he seems clearly connected with the


West:

"The dreadful war is being prepared in the West", and "The new land shall


be

at the height of her powers."



Since MABUS is so popular, let's take a looksie. In Hisler, the letter s is
the letter before the t. After playing around with each individual letter
in MABUS, both forward and backward one letter, some interesting "things"
pop up. I'll leave it up to the reader to play around with...




Lets see how much you've "digged" then. Why not take a stab at the
meaning. Just using your theory of playing around with letters there's
one interpretation that stands out more than any other for mabus. I
wonder if you've figured it out. I'll give you a hint, using the link
you give for anagrams and flipping some things around, I can't see how
anyone can miss or
say its not the most interesting of all.

Or tell us the pool of "experts" you've researched upon which your
opinion is based.

I'm curious how open or objective you really are compared to so many
here who allow biases to influence their opinion


Of course, everything in the quatrains is pure speculation since Nostry
isn't here to interpret them.

-eric



oh really

.

User: "Grantland"

Title: Re: Is G.W the Antichrist? 11 Nov 2004 12:37:24 PM
yes he is!
.
User: "Jean Guernon"

Title: Re: Is G.W the Antichrist? 11 Nov 2004 02:37:48 PM
Poor baby, pissing in your Nazi pants hallucinating idiocies because he
was reelected? LOL
Bush is a commited Christian. The AC(s) will not be Christian. He/they
will try to destoy Chritianity.
The very first one will be from an Asiatic, likely communist, country.
And there will be unmistable signs before the reigns. But of course a
Nazi like you has no clue abotu what the Seer said, since you are here
only to spread anti-=semitism,. You will say anything about anyone who
fights assholes like you. You are what is called an opportunist.
J.
Grantland a écrit:

yes he is!

.



User: "gw"

Title: Re: Canadian Intelligence Warns of bin Laden's Nuclear Intentions 11 Nov 2004 01:06:01 PM
Charly the ***** wrote:


TonyZ2001 wrote:

That's odd, last year it was $20 mil. I guess that's the sliding dollar for you,
everything costs more. I think it's all BS. If Al Qaeda had backpack nukes, they
would have used one on 9/11 when they had the chance. There are LOTS of people and
Powers eager to aquire nukes, but it's a seller's market, and the Big Sellers
aren't selling. The one and only way to convince the World that you have nukes is
to set one off in public for the Press.

Patience little one. rome wasn't built over night. A great event like
this takes time for God to make sure the US is put out of its misery
for good
.
User: "Jean Guernon"

Title: Re: Canadian Intelligence Warns of bin Laden's Nuclear Intentions 11 Nov 2004 01:57:01 PM
gw a écrit:

Charly the ***** wrote:

TonyZ2001 wrote:



That's odd, last year it was $20 mil. I guess that's the sliding dollar for you,
everything costs more. I think it's all BS. If Al Qaeda had backpack nukes, they
would have used one on 9/11 when they had the chance. There are LOTS of people and
Powers eager to aquire nukes, but it's a seller's market, and the Big Sellers
aren't selling. The one and only way to convince the World that you have nukes is
to set one off in public for the Press.



Patience little one. rome wasn't built over night. A great event like
this takes time for God to make sure the US is put out of its misery
for good

Poor baby.
J.
.


User: "gw"

Title: Re Re: What about the Bomb 15 Nov 2004 06:41:28 AM
J C wrote:


I dont post here very often but when I do I usually get a load of stupid
comments lol.. Can someone tell me from Nostys prophecies or anything else
as to when the first nuclear bomb will be let off in anger this century and
where please?

Thank you

Well there's this prophets warning
www.nuketerror.com
.
User: "tw"

Title: Re: Re Re: What about the Bomb 15 Nov 2004 06:44:59 AM
"gw" <mabbush@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:38520b0d.0411150441.437f574d@posting.google.com...

J C wrote:


I dont post here very often but when I do I usually get a load of stupid
comments lol.. Can someone tell me from Nostys prophecies or anything

else

as to when the first nuclear bomb will be let off in anger this century

and

where please?

Thank you


Well there's this prophets warning
www.nuketerror.com

Oh ***** you tool
.


User: "gw"

Title: Re American Sunset-- Jean G more ignorant and stupid than the most retarded american 15 Nov 2004 06:03:19 AM
Jean Guernon wrote:


Poor baby who pisses in his pants because Bush is re-elected. "we are
all doomed" he says. LOL

Go wallow in your fartitude, loser.

J.

gw a écrit:

The truth sux huh J?

Not much one can say against something thats true. Usually A person
can judge the truth in a post by how little is said to disprove it.
Judging by your reply, this has to be one of the most truthful
articles I've seen.

Jean Guernon wrote:

The Doctor Is In a écrit:


American Sunset
"Look, dear! Don't the chemtrails look lovely tonight..."
By John Kaminski
skylax@comcast.net
11-6-4

Oh, the gnashing of teeth, the beating of breasts, the wailings of
woe.

Bush and the Republicans stole the election!


***** right from the start. LOL

No surprise coming from a loser who can only post propaganda lies.

J.

all your whining lies won't change the fact you can't refute the
content and truth stated in that article
your silence and failure to refute it at all speaks volumes
the article gives a perfect summary of why america is doomed and
that bush was re-elected by the most ignorant braindead fools in the
history of the world who just happen to be americans. The fact you
can't recognize simple common sense reinforces the article.
I'm not pissing in my pants, I'm pissing myself laughing how many were
so easily decieved and suckered into voting for a man that will lead
his voters into a bloody slaughter soon. I'm pissing myself laughing
because those who voted to re-elect bush did so because they think
bush will be able to protect them against whats coming.
The ones pissing in their pants soon, will be fools like you who don't
realize what his re-election will bring upon the world. Everyone who
voted for bush and think he's a great president, will all change their
minds when all hell breaks loose and they realize that bush caused it
and provoked it.
Common sense has exposed bush to be a madman and worse evil on the
planet. If the people can't see the wolf in sheeps clothing, it
deserves the slaughter they've voted to die in.
I don't expect blind morons like you to be able to foresee the hell
coming due to bush's leadership. As history has proven time and time
again, its usually those in the minority who are intellectually
superior and laughed at. In the end, those laughed at have the last
laugh and 'history' validates these types as it will in this case.
.
User: "Jean Guernon"

Title: Re: Re American Sunset-- Jean G more ignorant and stupid than themost retarded american 15 Nov 2004 05:17:14 PM
Poor baby.
J.
gw a écrit:

Jean Guernon wrote:

Poor baby who pisses in his pants because Bush is re-elected. "we are
all doomed" he says. LOL

Go wallow in your fartitude, loser.

J.

gw a écrit:


The truth sux huh J?

Not much one can say against something thats true. Usually A person
can judge the truth in a post by how little is said to disprove it.
Judging by your reply, this has to be one of the most truthful
articles I've seen.

Jean Guernon wrote:


The Doctor Is In a écrit:



American Sunset
"Look, dear! Don't the chemtrails look lovely tonight..."
By John Kaminski
skylax@comcast.net
11-6-4

Oh, the gnashing of teeth, the beating of breasts, the wailings of
woe.

Bush and the Republicans stole the election!


***** right from the start. LOL

No surprise coming from a loser who can only post propaganda lies.

J.



all your whining lies won't change the fact you can't refute the
content and truth stated in that article

your silence and failure to refute it at all speaks volumes

the article gives a perfect summary of why america is doomed and
that bush was re-elected by the most ignorant braindead fools in the
history of the world who just happen to be americans. The fact you
can't recognize simple common sense reinforces the article.

I'm not pissing in my pants, I'm pissing myself laughing how many were
so easily decieved and suckered into voting for a man that will lead
his voters into a bloody slaughter soon. I'm pissing myself laughing
because those who voted to re-elect bush did so because they think
bush will be able to protect them against whats coming.

The ones pissing in their pants soon, will be fools like you who don't
realize what his re-election will bring upon the world. Everyone who
voted for bush and think he's a great president, will all change their
minds when all hell breaks loose and they realize that bush caused it
and provoked it.

Common sense has exposed bush to be a madman and worse evil on the
planet. If the people can't see the wolf in sheeps clothing, it
deserves the slaughter they've voted to die in.

I don't expect blind morons like you to be able to foresee the hell
coming due to bush's leadership. As history has proven time and time
again, its usually those in the minority who are intellectually
superior and laughed at. In the end, those laughed at have the last
laugh and 'history' validates these types as it will in this case.

.
User: "Zell Miller"

Title: Re: Re American Sunset-- Jean G more ignorant and stupid than the most retarded american 17 Nov 2004 02:55:39 AM
"Michael Johnathan McDonald" <abookoflife@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:dd3256f0.0411161709.3b4f374a@posting.google.com...

"The Doctor Is In" <goblowmoreshit@baboons.com> wrote in message

news:<cnd7m502jt2@enews3.newsguy.com>...

"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:_Namd.4540559$ic1.432563@news.easynews.com...

Poor baby.

J.

gw a écrit:

Jean Guernon wrote:

Poor baby who pisses in his pants because Bush is re-elected. "we

are

all doomed" he says. LOL

Go wallow in your fartitude, loser.

J.


I hope your liberal government in Canada deports you to one of the

blue

states on the election results map.


"blue states?"

lol. You are such a tard Dr. Chump.

We're warming up the tar and gathering up the feathers for all you

dumb

rednecks.


Actually the tar & feathers in American hist. was the right-wing
enacting this upon the leftwing. but you wouldn't know that, eh tard
Chumper? Neither do u know what the color of the states stood for ;)


LOL...

Is there a disconnection in your synapses? I'm referring to the election
results map, dingo, and that the blue refers to states Kerry won, the red
to states Bush won.
Now, as far as what red and blue meant in history regarding the states,
yes, stupid, I know what the colors meant.
You must've have had a god-awful marriage. Arguing about the difference
between sacharin and sugar during the morning consumption of your Lucky
Charms? Did she leave you, claiming "relentless torment by
trivializaton?"
Pick out the little yellow quarter moons, mikey, and stuff them up your
*****. Oh, wait...are you going to argue that their not really yellow?
Well, okay, but you can't dispute your baboon ***** is a rosy red.
Doc ;D
.

User: "Zell Miller"

Title: Re: Re American Sunset-- Jean G more ignorant and stupid than the most retarded american 17 Nov 2004 12:21:21 AM
"Michael Johnathan McDonald" <abookoflife@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:dd3256f0.0411161709.3b4f374a@posting.google.com...

"The Doctor Is In" <goblowmoreshit@baboons.com> wrote in message

news:<cnd7m502jt2@enews3.newsguy.com>...

"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:_Namd.4540559$ic1.432563@news.easynews.com...

Poor baby.

J.

gw a écrit:

Jean Guernon wrote:

Poor baby who pisses in his pants because Bush is re-elected. "we

are

all doomed" he says. LOL

Go wallow in your fartitude, loser.

J.


I hope your liberal government in Canada deports you to one of the

blue

states on the election results map.


"blue states?"

lol. You are such a tard Dr. Chump.

We're warming up the tar and gathering up the feathers for all you

dumb

rednecks.


Actually the tar & feathers in American hist. was the right-wing
enacting this upon the leftwing. but you wouldn't know that, eh tard
Chumper? Neither do u know what the color of the states stood for ;)


LOL...

You're drunk again, as usual. He meant the blue states because that's
where the liberals are in America, and that's where Jean should be
deported to so that they can tar and feather him for being a redneck
supporting Bushwhacky.
Man, you proto-fascist fuckers can't even read and understand well.
Zell
.
User: "Michael Johnathan McDonald"

Title: Re: Re American Sunset-- Jean G more ignorant and stupid than the most retarded american 18 Nov 2004 12:38:21 PM
"Zell Miller" <millerite@zimbo.com> wrote in message news:<cneql3$2e7$1@domitilla.aioe.org>...


You're drunk again, as usual. He meant the blue states

Funki' Kook Troll
domitilla.aioe.org
.
User: "The Doctor Is In"

Title: Re: Re American Sunset-- Jean G more ignorant and stupid than the most retarded american 19 Nov 2004 08:01:27 AM
"Michael Johnathan McDonald" <abookoflife@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:dd3256f0.0411181038.1f3c7ac7@posting.google.com...

"Zell Miller" <millerite@zimbo.com> wrote in message

news:<cneql3$2e7$1@domitilla.aioe.org>...


You're drunk again, as usual. He meant the blue states

Funki' Kook Troll
domitilla.aioe.org

Is it true that you maintain the largest snoop files on individuals
outside the CIA, FBI and NSA?
Maybe we should call you the Fascist ***** of Investigation.
;D
.
User: "Michael Johnathan McDonald"

Title: Re: Re American Sunset-- Jean G more ignorant and stupid than the most retarded american 19 Nov 2004 07:49:20 PM
"The Doctor Is In" <goblowmoreshit@baboons.com> wrote in message news:<cnkubn0qs2@enews1.newsguy.com>...

Maybe we should call you the Fascist ***** of Investigation.

That would the DNC then :(

;D

.






User: "gw"

Title: Re: Arafat the Terrorist is finally DEAD!!! 11 Nov 2004 01:10:59 PM
Jean Guernon wrote:


TonyZ2001 a écrit:

Great news for the world, this lousy creep has died
from AIDS.

Tony


Nothing is confirmed of both these speculations.

But he seems to be out of the picture whatever happens.

At last they will be able to put an end to the intifada which is of
course why they don't get anywhere and the one who will take charge (Abu
Mazen) seems to be the one who is willing to jail the terrorists and
make their existence illegal. Then the first step of the road map will
be implemented and the additional steps may go forward. And there will
be an end to the senseless murders. But they will have to get rid of
other pieces of ***** like this guy, and the underlying ***** ideology:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/cta/progs/04/hardtalk/taft21oct.ram

But Arafat gone is a big step.

J.

You both need serious mental help
These articles are the best I've ever seen to date that expose these
jerks for the scumsucking lowlifes they are.
American Sunset
"Look, dear! Don't the chemtrails look lovely tonight..."
By John Kaminski
skylax@comcast.net
11-6-4
Oh, the gnashing of teeth, the beating of breasts, the
wailings of
woe.
Bush and the Republicans stole the election! Big surprise, eh?
The
neocon Nazis have done nothing but break the law since before they
ever
took office. You were expecting fair play from them, perchance?
Much as I admire many of my friends who are desperately trying
to
tell everyone that the exit polls matched the election results in all
the
states with a paper trail, but didn't in states without one -
suspiciously
and substantially favoring Bush instead - they all are, to put it
politely, whizzing into the wind. Perhaps they hope to find a
prosecutor
aspiring to career suicide, or maybe a judge who wishes to see his
family
killed in some kind of odd accident, an inexplicable plane crash,
perhaps..
Of course, it is of some substantive concern that the American
electoral process has been placed in the hands of partisan
corporations,
guaranteeing about as much integrity as typical government reports
saying
antidepressants are good for children, or the feds have no idea who
committed the anthrax murders, or corporations should not be held
liable
for their lethal products because it's bad for business.
Your vote didn't count last time. Why would you expect it
would
now?
And anyway, here's a more important question.
How, in an election year where the central questions should
have
been about waging wars based on well-known lies and throwing away the
lives of American soldiers chasing phantoms who don't exist - as well
as
questioning the cynical coverup of the greatest crime in American
history,
which 3,000 Americans were murdered by these same phantoms .... how
could
these momentous questions be overshadowed on election day by a
relatively
irrelevant brouhaha about gay marriage?
In fact, it was because the loyal opposition chose not to
mention
these issues, but instead participated in the media coverup of these
crimes, because in fact there is only one party in this country - the
party of the banks. On that level this election was a complete sham.
There
was no real contest. So why are you so upset about the results of an
election in which both candidates were saying the same thing? Hell,
it's
only too appropriate the results were manipulated, given the insincere
similarity of the candidates.
Evil electronic electioneering and deliberately distracting
debates are not the top stories of this election.
When all was said and done, your vote didn't really matter
because
John Kerry essentially agreed with everything Bush had done during his
capital-crime-plagued first term. (Capital crimes, as in treason and
mass
murder.) Kerry promised to INCREASE the war effort in Iraq. He accepts
the
reality of the cover story of Arab hijackers. He helped write the
Patriot
Act. Fifteen years ago, he helped cover up the BCCI scandal, another
one
of the great robberies in American history.
So, why are so many so upset that Republican vote-counting
executives stole the election for Bush in Ohio, Florida, Georgia, and
God
knows where else? We know having Kerry, Bush's fraternity brother, in
the
White House would have made absolutely no difference in terms of
government policy.
So why is everyone so upset that Kerry so quickly conceded,
getting himself out that contrived dog-and-pony show as fast as
possible?
Why is anyone upset that Kerry lost? Nothing would have changed!
Why bother working to overturn an election when success would
mean
installing a candidate who would do nothing different from the man who
won? Now that's what I call a totally futile effort.
No, there is a bigger question than vote fraud, or the
manipulation of public opinion by unscrupulous media corporations, or
the
fact that the two political parties are actually one, and that the
loyal
opposition seeks only to emulate the party in power rather than oppose
it,
which means it no longer has a chance of winning anything.
The biggest question of all is about the caliber - and the
sanity - of the American people.
The mask is off now.
The lies used to justify the continuing slaughter of innocent
people in Iraq fester like an infected scab on the psyche of the
American
people, who have become so twisted in their pursuit of narcotized
tranquility that they are now even cheering the deaths of their own
children who come home in boxes we are not allowed to see. How much
more
insane can it get before blissful blackness will alleviate our misery?
If souls were faces, Americans would gaze into their bathroom
mirrors each morning and see their rotting skin covered with oozing
sores,
putrescent pustules of their suicidal disease caused by their
intransigent
focus on tormenting trivialities, caused by their willing ignorance of
their soldiers - their own children - raping Iraqi children, blowing
Iraqi
families to bits, then, as their deeds set into their curdled spirits,
coming home and hanging themselves in the shattering silence of
realizing
their own horrified depravity.
Do you have a child in the military?
Chances are fairly good - if he is still alive - he has become
a
murderer, or a rapist, or that he has become sickened to the point
that
his life is ruined, which means that your life is ruined, if you have
any
feelings at all.
This is America 2004. A willing blindness drapes the land like
a
shroud, where old men beat their war drums and young men say, "hey,
this
is really cool!" in the millisecond before they lose a limb to a land
mine, or frag an unknown family into bleeding bits of twitching
protoplasm.
Americans have not only lost their souls into insane religious
practices, they've lost their brains as well. What other country on
Earth
can't even keep track of its own voting process, that offers two
candidates who are handpicked androids of the power elite, who both
cheerily endorse senseless killing of people already oppressed by
enemies
invented by the very people who fight them?
I ask again: Do you have a child in the military?
Because if you don't, you will soon. What will you do when
your
child is drafted into the military and sent to Iraq to kill innocent
people for reasons that you know in your heart are lies?
Will you wave your flag, like most Americans do, just as you
have
dutifully cast your vote?
The election is over. It didn't matter who won. What matters
is
that America has lost, and Americans eagerly helped her lose, just as
Americans eagerly kill people all over the world for reasons that they
know are lies. Since both candidates were pursuing the same policies
in
regard to making unjust war, in this election, Americans voted
overwhelmingly - almost 100 percent - to kill their own children for
reasons that they know are lies. And kill anyone else within
convenient
shooting distance.
Long live the empire. Let the killing continue.
Stop whining about the vote. You got exactly what you
deserved. A
homicidal liar with the weaponry - and the willingness - to kill
everyone
on the planet.
This is the new American dream, and it's your worst nightmare.
You have only yourself to thank for not paying attention. Have
a
nice day.
John Kaminski's essays have appeared on hundreds of websites
around the world and have been collected into two anthologies. The
latest,
titled "The Perfect Enemy," is available at
http://www.johnkaminski.com/
World Sits By, Watches US
Slaughter In Iraq Continue
By Michael Shore
m3636s@yahoo.com
Tel Aviv
11-8-4

Why is the slaughter of innocent Iraqi children, women and men by the
super high tech U.S. military allowed to continue un-opposed by the
U.N., when Kofi Anan, U.N. Secretary General, has already declared the
war in Iraq to be illegal? What is the next step the U.N. takes when
they declare that a Nation is making illegal war? Are there sanctions
against the warring Nation? Do ALL the other U.N. Nations isolate the
warring Nation and meet and develop a plan to STOP the warring Nation
from continuing it's illegal war? Obviously nothing appears to be
going on at the U.N. to stop the U.S. from continuing it's illegal war
in Iraq, so one can conclude that if it is the U.S.A. that makes
illegal war, than it's O.K. at the U.N. Actually the U.N. is a bogus
organization established by the Illuminati as part of their overall
plan to establish a One World Government, organized as a global
fascist police State, ruled by a so-called "elitist" dictatorship!

It is just so pathetic how this disgusting atrocious U.S. "war for
profits" in Iraq is allowed to continue without the world community
and every leader of a Nation and every religious leader calling out
every day for Bush and the U.S.A. to stop their slaughtering of
innocent human beings in Iraq and Afghanistan! The reasons Bush et al
have given about why the U.S. went to war and why their troops are
still in Iraq has changed so many times, it has lost all meaning.
Words cannot begin to describe the unnecessary suffering that the
Iraqi and Afghani people are experiencing at the hands of killer Bush
and his soldiers in Bush's killing military machine. It's like
watching a sick,perverted insane man who has all these weapons and
soldiers, who have "corralled" millions of human beings who can't
escape in Iraq and Afghanistan. It makes one feel powerless to not be
able do anything as these innocent human beings are slaughtered like
"animals" by the troops using their weapons. Can you hear the
children, women and men screaming? Can you see their bodies blown
apart and bleeding? This is sick and EVIL. This is primitive and
barbaric! All war is primitive and barbaric, don't you think?

If the U.S.A. was invaded by a foreign military force that destroyed
their country and took over their government, wouldn't the people in
the U.S.A. try to oust the foreign invaders from their country? This
is what is going on in Iraq. The Iraqis are trying to oust the U.S.
foreign invaders from their land. They are trying to stop the U.S.
foreign invaders from killing their families, relatives and friends.
But it is the Iraqis fighters who are labeled "terrorists",
insurgents, guerrillas etc., and it is the Iraqi fighters who are cast
as the BAD guys in the corporate controlled U.S. media. The "nice"
guys in the U.S. military, who are slaughtering and killing and
maiming over 100,000 innocent Iraqi civilians, are cast as the "GOOD"
guys. How sick can things be?

If you ask any American on the streets in the U.S.A. why U.S. troops
are still in Iraq you would probably get an answer showing that they
really don't know why the troops are there.They would not be able to
give you an answer justifying the killing and wounding of over 100,000
Iraqi men, women and children by the U.S. military over the last year
and a half. In fact the Americans on the streets in the U.S.A. have no
idea that over 100,000 innocent Iraqis have been killed and wounded by
their military they support with their tax dollars.The corporate
controlled U.S. media do not report the casualty figures of both the
U.S. soldiers and Iraqi civilians killed and wounded in Iraq.
Americans must think that all those multi-billions of dollars of bombs
that were dropped on Iraq in the initial "shock and awe" invasion of
Iraq and continue to be dropped on Iraq don't kill or wound anybody???
The average American waves his red white and blue flag and blindly
supports a psychopathic killer leader and his government and their
troops who are doing all the horrendous killing now going on in Iraq.
The slogan that Americans rally behind is "Support Our Troops". It
doesn't matter if their troops are killing human beings in an "illegal
war for profit". In order to be "patriotic" and accepted by your
fellow Americans, you gotta "support the U.S. criminal and killer
troops". If you demonstrate for peace or speak out AGAINST the war you
may be arrested and thrown in jail. Has America become the "new Nazi
Germany"? Even though Jesus would never drop any bombs and kill human
beings, somehow tens of millions of so-called "Jesus loving" American
Christians think it's OK for their President and military to drop as
many bombs as they like and kill thousands and thousands of innocent
Iraqis, who never killed one American on American soil. It can't get
any sicker than that! What are these Americans thinking or are they
thinking at all? What is going on in their minds? Or is their
government's brainwashing and mind control techniques so powerful that
"they really don't know what they do?"

Which brings us to the slaughter of human beings taking place in
Falluja. As the world community sits quietly by and Bush and his
fellow Jesus loving, self righteous, Christian fundamentalists go to
church, the U.S. military and their newly trained Iraqi paid
mercenaries are about to launch an attack to literally level Falluja.
Like who are the highly trained-to-kill, armed-to-the-teeth 10,000
U.S. troops going to fight? A bunch of civilians? The so-called
insurgents who are suppose to be fighting the American soldiers are no
match at all. They don't have any tanks, they don't have any huge
artillery cannons, they don't have missiles, they don't have war
ships, they don't have war planes, they don't have atomic bombs and
Weapons of Mass Destruction, they don't have helicopter warships, they
don't have *****! And those "brave" American soldiers who do have all
of these weapons are about to launch their attack and outright
slaughter innocent men, women and children in Falluja. Ask an American
soldier who is in Iraq and is part of this assault team why they are
about to kill more innocent Iraqi civilians in Falluja and he really
couldn't give you a good reason for the slaughter about to happen. In
fact ask an American soldier why they're still in Iraq and he'll
probably tell you he doesn't know and that he would like to be home in
the U.S.A.

The only people who are benefiting from all this un-necessary
slaughter and killing of human beings taking place in Iraq and
Afghanistan are the multi-billion dollar war corporations, the
corporations who are getting multi-billion dollar "re-building Iraq"
contracts and the oil companies that control the TRILLIONS of dollars
Iraqi oil and the TRILLIONS of dollars of oil in the Caspian Sea near
Afghanistan. Billions and TRILLIONS of dollars is more money than the
average American or U.S. troop in Iraq can comprehend, which is why
they never think that there are a few individuals and corporations who
are making this huge amount of money from war and that this is the
real reason why there is a "war" in Iraq and Afghanistan. Hundreds of
billions of American taxpayer dollars and thousands of U.S. troops are
being MIS-USED by these miserable, perverted, un-compassionate, sick,
insane, un-loving EVIL owners of war and oil corporations to enrich
themselves. HOW SICK CAN THEY BE? It's time we find out and expose who
these millionaire and billionaire owners of war and oil corporations
are so we can recognize the REAL "TERRORISTS" that are behind the
scenes causing all this war and killing for their personal financial
gain. Hopefully more and more people can see this MANIPULATION FOR
MONEY that is the real reason why unnecessary wars are being fought
all over the world. Then We the People can organize ourselves and
change the leaders of Nations, who are the "puppets" of the super
wealthy "elite" that are responsible for all this war and killing for
personal financial gain. If we can succeed in doing this, then Peace
is possible.

Michael Shore
.
User: "Jean Guernon"

Title: Re: Arafat the Terrorist is finally DEAD!!! 11 Nov 2004 01:49:37 PM
gw a écrit:

Jean Guernon wrote:

TonyZ2001 a écrit:


Great news for the world, this lousy creep has died
from AIDS.

Tony


Nothing is confirmed of both these speculations.

But he seems to be out of the picture whatever happens.

At last they will be able to put an end to the intifada which is of
course why they don't get anywhere and the one who will take charge (Abu
Mazen) seems to be the one who is willing to jail the terrorists and
make their existence illegal. Then the first step of the road map will
be implemented and the additional steps may go forward. And there will
be an end to the senseless murders. But they will have to get rid of
other pieces of ***** like this guy, and the underlying ***** ideology:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/cta/progs/04/hardtalk/taft21oct.ram

But Arafat gone is a big step.

J.



You both need serious mental help

No, but YOU do, polluting a NG where you have no clue about the topic
hence no business being on.
You are just another google *****, insulting legitimate posters here.
Go drown yourself, loser.
J.
.
User: "Michael Johnathan McDonald"

Title: Re: Arafat the Terrorist is finally DEAD!!! 11 Nov 2004 10:16:20 PM
Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message news:<knPkd.4290153$ic1.415193@news.easynews.com>...

gw a écrit:

Jean Guernon wrote:

TonyZ2001 a écrit:


Great news for the world, this lousy creep has died
from AIDS.

Tony


Nothing is confirmed of both these speculations.

But he seems to be out of the picture whatever happens.

At last they will be able to put an end to the intifada which is of
course why they don't get anywhere and the one who will take charge (Abu
Mazen) seems to be the one who is willing to jail the terrorists and
make their existence illegal. Then the first step of the road map will
be implemented and the additional steps may go forward. And there will
be an end to the senseless murders. But they will have to get rid of
other pieces of ***** like this guy, and the underlying ***** ideology:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/cta/progs/04/hardtalk/taft21oct.ram

But Arafat gone is a big step.

J.



You both need serious mental help


No, but YOU do, polluting a NG where you have no clue about the topic
hence no business being on.

You are just another google *****, insulting legitimate posters here.
Go drown yourself, loser.

lol ;)
There are many puddles around University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
where he can do this ;)


J.

.



User: "gw"

Title: Re: Canadian Intelligence Warns of bin Laden's Nuclear Intentions 11 Nov 2004 01:00:20 PM
Kim M wrote:


This 'story' is nothing new. U.S. (and British) Intelligence has expected this
for the past 5 yrs. And, they expect 'ill-guarded' Soviet stock piles to be the
'source'.

Upon checking of facts, Sollog the prophet of doom seems to have been
the only modern prophet to have predicted this will happen and did it
much earlier than anyone else

Just A Thought !!!

Wait, I'm receiving another transmission from the great beyond.

Wouldn't you know it,
it was a 'Wrong Number' :-(

"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041105095223.15947.00000091@mb-m02.aol.com...

Friday, Nov. 5, 2004 8:29 a.m. EST
Canadian Intelligence Warns of bin Laden's Nuclear Intentions

Canada's intelligence service has concluded that Osama bin Laden and his
al-Qaida network have one priority: obtain briefcase-sized nuclear weapons.

The Canadian Press reports this week that a newly published intelligence

report

is not sure if bin Laden has obtained such weapons. But the Islamic terror
group is clearly trying to do so.

"The assessment revives concerns that emerged as early as 1992 when Stanislav
Lunev, a former Russian military intelligence officer, claimed his country's
intelligence services had lost many of the portable, backpack-style devices,
which weigh about 55 kilograms."

The Candian report, issued in June 2004 report was headlined: "Al-Qaida
Possessing Russian Nuclear Briefcases: Fiction or Fact?"

The CP said the briefing document was compiled by Canada's national security
threat assessment center, part of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service.


The heavily censored document offered some chilling statements.

"Al-Qaida is interested in acquiring nuclear capabilities in order to expand
its attack arsenal," the report claimed.

The CP said there is also anecdotal evidence al-Qaida may have obtained such
weapons.

"Earlier this year, Pakistani journalist Hamid Mir said al-Qaida may already
possess portable nuclear weapons. He attributed the claim to a 2001 interview
with bin Laden's second-in-command, Ayman Al-Zawahri, in which the al-Qaida
figure said the group had purchased such bombs on the black market in central
Asia for $30 million U.S."

.
User: "Jean Guernon"

Title: Re: Canadian Intelligence Warns of bin Laden's Nuclear Intentions 11 Nov 2004 01:57:15 PM
gw a écrit:

Kim M wrote:

This 'story' is nothing new. U.S. (and British) Intelligence has expected this
for the past 5 yrs. And, they expect 'ill-guarded' Soviet stock piles to be the
'source'.


Upon checking of facts, Sollog the prophet of doom seems to have been
the only modern prophet to have predicted this will happen and did it
much earlier than anyone else

*****. Oh so you are a sollog fan. LOL
Poor baby.
J.
.


User: "gw"

Title: Re: Maybe Kerry lost because of his low IQ 11 Nov 2004 12:57:13 PM
TonyZ2001 wrote:

I intend to continue gloating for the next 4 years, so get used to it,

Tony

I wonder if He'll still be gloating when he watches US cities get hit
with
WMD's because his Mangod GW and America couldn't see a war on terror
cannot be won without such confrontation eventually.
Ooops, I keep forgetting this is exactly what the Christian nuts GW
and Tony are praying for.
.
User: "Woodswun"

Title: Re: Maybe Kerry lost because of his low IQ 11 Nov 2004 05:00:59 PM
In article <38520b0d.0411111057.41c68412@posting.google.com>,
(gw) wrote:

TonyZ2001 wrote:

I intend to continue gloating for the next 4 years, so get used to it,

Tony


I wonder if He'll still be gloating when he watches US cities get hit
with
WMD's because his Mangod GW and America couldn't see a war on terror
cannot be won without such confrontation eventually.

Ooops, I keep forgetting this is exactly what the Christian nuts GW
and Tony are praying for.

Here's a list of states by average IQ, and who they voted for. I guess Tony was
wrong (again!!!)
http://media.hamncheez.com/?p=iq_results.jpg
Woods
.


User: "gw"

Title: Re: Is G.W the Antichrist? 11 Nov 2004 12:47:12 PM
tw wrote:


You would have thought that one would have made it on to his radar wouldn't
you?

*snigger*

Not much to snigger about as it seems Solog may have got it right.
Quite a coincidence he said a world leader would die on 11/11 and then
one does. Saw this prophecy. Pretty interesting. The only one I see
that has taken credit so far. Judging by the particulars in the
prophecy, it does closely relate to what happened to Arafat today more
than any other out there.
.


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