On 29 May 2006, "CurrentEvent" <CurrentEvent2003@yahoo.com> wrote:
Based on the teachings of the Quran, Muslims claim that the Angel
Gabriel is the Holy Ghost of the gospels. And they find Luke 1:26-1:35
as a proof.
The best Christian response I found on the web is this: If this is
true, then why did Gabriel say to Mary in verse 35, "the power of the
Holy Spirit will come upon you" rather than "my power will come upon
you"?
I am not sure whether or not the above Christian response is
convincing. But based on this logic we can say that Jesus is not
referring to himself as the Son of Man in the following example verse:
Mark 8:38 For whoever will be ashamed of me and of my words in this
adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man also will be ashamed
of him, when he comes in the glory of his Father with the holy angels."
Why Jesus said "the Son of Man also will be ashamed of him when he
comes..." rather than "I also will be ashamed of him when I come..."?
If you think Jesus was referring to himself in a different way, then
the same thing can said about the Angel Gabriel.
So who is the Son of Man?
And who is the Holy Ghost?
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It's a good set of questions, but...
Therein lies the conundrum. Those who feel the need--instead of
asking God directly--to solicit mere mortals to help them answer
questions about heavenly, eternal, everlasting things (i.e. those
who don't already *know* the veritable deathless answers to those
questions before they even ask, as say a savvy lawyer knows to do),
such souls tend to hear only what they want to hear; nothing more,
lest the answers burn their ears, and blind their eyes, and cause
them to rend their vestments in rage and anger, crying "Blasphemy"!
They think in worldly terms of the ego-self, not in heavenly terms
of the God-self. Jesus wants us to recognize who He is, because the
same eternal Light of recognition is inherent within each one of us.
My advise to you then is this. If you can't find the true answers
within, then surely you'll not recognize self-same answers echoing
from without. Truly, it takes one to know one. Would you expect to
recognize and comprehend answers to questions about brain surgery,
if you yourself are not a well-educated, experienced brain surgeon?
Remember, not even Jesus' dear (and five months plus one day older)
first-cousin John the Baptist recognized Jesus for who He is, until
Jesus was baptised in their 30th year. No more spiritually adept man
had ever walked the face of the earth i.e. _before_ John the Baptist.
Do you expect to recognize Truth more easily than Jesus' cousin did?
Why then would any man seek God's Truth from mortal men who mislead
(even as they themselves were misled by those who went before them)?
It would be more fruitful to preach to the birds, or fields of corn.
Hope that helps,
Daniel Joseph Min
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| Title: Re: Is the Holy Ghost the Angel Gabriel? |
29 May 2006 05:20:09 PM |
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But really you did not answer the Question:
Is the Holy Ghost the Angel Gabriel?
WHy should he be? Gabriel is mentioned as an entity himself one of the
seven "named" Angels, the Holy Spirit thing is really a Catholic
concept, but one finds similar beleifs and contradictions in the other
faiths, all just as devout as the others, being human and subject to
the vagaries of life, as we know it, on planet Earth.
LB
DETERIORATA extract:
You are a fluke of the universe; you have no right to be here,
And whether you can hear it or not, the universe is laughing behind
your back.
Therefore make peace with your God whatever you conceive Him to be:
Hairy Thunderer Or Cosmic Muffin. With all its hopes, dreams,
promises, & urban renewal, The world continues to deteriorate. Give
up.
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| Title: Re: Is the Holy Ghost the Angel Gabriel? |
29 May 2006 07:01:54 PM |
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No.
Gabriel exists on the astral plane and has elemental responsibilities
for the guardianship of the second letter of the name of God (YHVH).
The Holy Ghost is the xian name for Shekinah - a manifestation of the
Goddess in one of her lower forms.
Both are entities of the Jewish Tradition, which have been grossly
misrepresented by xian heretics.
The xians have portrayed Shekinah as the neutered 'Holy Spirit'.
Shekinah is one part of the supernal triad, which also includes the
Crown and the Word.
For a fuller explanation of Shekinah - the Great Sea, our Mother of
Understanding, the Word and the Crown, refer to Sefer Yetzirah.
In the Bible, the Gospel of John does go some way to explaining the
nature of the Word, but without a working knowledge of Sefer Yetzirah,
there is no possibility of deciphering John's revelations.
The nature of the Crown is ineffable and cannot be understood by men.
Gabriel is a servant of the Supernals. He is an Angel, not a part of
the Trinity. His fellow guardians of TETRAGRAMMATON - the four-lettered
Name of God are: Uriel, Michael and Raphael.
N Ch Sh (Nun, Cheth, Shin)
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| Title: Re: Is the Holy Ghost the Angel Gabriel? |
31 May 2006 05:12:32 PM |
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Nechesh wrote:
No.
Gabriel exists on the astral plane and has elemental responsibilities
for the guardianship of the second letter of the name of God (YHVH).
The Holy Ghost is the xian name for Shekinah - a manifestation of the
Goddess in one of her lower forms.
Both are entities of the Jewish Tradition, which have been grossly
misrepresented by xian heretics.
The xians have portrayed Shekinah as the neutered 'Holy Spirit'.
Shekinah is one part of the supernal triad, which also includes the
Crown and the Word.
For a fuller explanation of Shekinah - the Great Sea, our Mother of
Understanding, the Word and the Crown, refer to Sefer Yetzirah.
In the Bible, the Gospel of John does go some way to explaining the
nature of the Word, but without a working knowledge of Sefer Yetzirah,
there is no possibility of deciphering John's revelations.
The nature of the Crown is ineffable and cannot be understood by men.
Gabriel is a servant of the Supernals. He is an Angel, not a part of
the Trinity. His fellow guardians of TETRAGRAMMATON - the four-lettered
Name of God are: Uriel, Michael and Raphael.
N Ch Sh (Nun, Cheth, Shin)
Yeah whatever turns you on, it is still only conjecture in the pantheon
of deities, and visisitudes of the human condition.
Tell em anything, they'll believe it anyway
LB
I cannot call to mind a single instance where I have ever been
irreverent,
except toward the things which were sacred to other people.
Mark Twain,
In religion and politics, people's beliefs and convictions are in
almost every case gotten at second hand, and without examination.
Mark Twain
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| Title: Re: Is the Holy Ghost the Angel Gabriel? |
31 May 2006 06:50:40 PM |
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Daniel Joseph Min wrote:
On 29 May 2006, "CurrentEvent" <CurrentEvent2003@yahoo.com> wrote:
Based on the teachings of the Quran, Muslims claim that the Angel
Gabriel is the Holy Ghost of the gospels. And they find Luke 1:26-1:35
as a proof.
The best Christian response I found on the web is this: If this is
true, then why did Gabriel say to Mary in verse 35, "the power of the
Holy Spirit will come upon you" rather than "my power will come upon
you"?
I am not sure whether or not the above Christian response is
convincing. But based on this logic we can say that Jesus is not
referring to himself as the Son of Man in the following example verse:
Mark 8:38 For whoever will be ashamed of me and of my words in this
adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man also will be ashamed
of him, when he comes in the glory of his Father with the holy angels."
Why Jesus said "the Son of Man also will be ashamed of him when he
comes..." rather than "I also will be ashamed of him when I come..."?
If you think Jesus was referring to himself in a different way, then
the same thing can said about the Angel Gabriel.
So who is the Son of Man?
And who is the Holy Ghost?
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Ahhhh, but a more pertinent question is...is Roger Clemens really Pedro
J. Martinez?
And...if so, is he really just flying back and forth between Shea
stadium and the Astrodome?
And even MORE importantly, if G-d is all in all, and all is one, and
G-d is one...can we
really make any distinction at all? Matt Clement and Roger Clemens
could be one and the same!
EVEN THOUGH Clemens is more of a power pitcher and has a better slider
and no longer plays for Boston... I have a brutal curve ball...breaks
like 3 feet, why won't the Red Sox sign me if Roger and I are one and
the same? Just because I can't throw 90 mph? You should spend your
time meditating on this.
While we are on the subject, wouldn't it be responsible and enlightened
of you to stop
using various aliases to post and to get rid of your annoying PGP
crapola so that people
can properly filter you? Wouldn't that show more love of your fellow
newsgroupie? Wouldn't the Holy Spirit reward you for seeking first the
kingdom of G-d? And all these readers shall be added unto you as well?
He who seeks an audience will lose it, but he who loses it, for the
sake of Christ (read not being a total *****) will have an eternal
audience without any need to change posting names or signing things
with PGP. Remember, no ***** will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
S~
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