"D.A. Tsenuf" <DA@Tsenuf.com> wrote in message news:<10ftphv3e3l13bd@corp.supernews.com>...
"Eric da Red" <bergamot@drizzle.com> wrote in message
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In article <78e3ffc4.0407210332.371b5ab7@posting.google.com>,
Yang Da Liberal Moron <yangfoo6@yahoo.com> wrote:
Liberals HATE Fox News
No, I don't.
I don't hate FOX news, all US news media is conservative in my
opinion. Where were the pictures of coffins? Where was the media
outcry about the IRAQ-911 fabrication before invasion? Why were the
independent news anchors covering the Iraq War supervised by the USA
military?
Right Wing=Conservativism=CONTROL
The Right Wing dosen't believe in freedom as proven by the
Conservative Brown Shirt Party led by Adolf Hitler.
This is another example of the Right Wing trying to start a civil war
within the United States.
Arab Terrorists and Right Wing Extremists are from the same mold only
varying in which GOD they worship.
The statement said Abu Hafs al-Masri needs what it called Bush's
"idiocy and religious fanaticism" because they would "wake up" the
Islamic world.
Maybe he's playing at misdirecting the Anti-Bush crowd with a little bit of
Psy-Op.
The Right Wing have to hire Liberals to do their psych-ops for them.
The right wing have historically had no more than knee jerk reactions
to events. Now the Right Wing Overlords of Corporations have an agenda
and the brain washed Right will follow blindly as long as some
political puppet waves a flag and bans abortions.
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| User: "Michael Johnathan McDonald" |
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22 Jul 2004 11:51:20 AM |
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(E.Bola) wrote in message news:<35c5fc3b.0407211936.735e09b0@posting.google.com>...
I don't hate FOX news,
Sure you do.
all US news media is conservative in my
opinion.
well maybe to much of Europe's main news groups which have been shown
to hardly get American facts right, even in their rightwing papers,
so-to-speak, they champion Fahrenheit 9/11 as a factual movie.
Although, talk radio in England is extremely no-holds-bared when it
comes to free expression - which is good, but that's not the main news
sources I am talking about.
lol.
is Where were the pictures of coffins? Where was the media
outcry about the IRAQ-911 fabrication before invasion?
What are you talking about? Either you are blind deaf and dumb or have
not been paying attention.
lol.
Snip the extreme lefty post.
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| User: "Isosceles" |
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23 Jul 2004 09:03:40 AM |
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I don't hate FOX news, all US news media is conservative in my
opinion.
Don't you mean to say "all US news media is to the right of my view(s)
in my opinion"? You sound like a charter member of the looney-left
to me.
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SteveM
-Life would be much easier if I had the source code-
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| User: "Gunner" |
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23 Jul 2004 10:51:18 AM |
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On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:03:40 GMT, Isosceles
<stephen.moore@nospamhere_ipa.net> wrote:
I don't hate FOX news, all US news media is conservative in my
opinion.
Don't you mean to say "all US news media is to the right of my view(s)
in my opinion"? You sound like a charter member of the looney-left
to me.
ayup.
Gunner
"In my humble opinion, the petty carping levied against Bush by
the Democrats proves again, it is better to have your eye plucked
out by an eagle than to be nibbled to death by ducks." - Norman
Liebmann
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| User: "insurgent0001" |
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23 Jul 2004 03:51:33 PM |
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E.Bola <steelsteal@hotmail.com> wrote:
I don't hate FOX news, all US news media is conservative in my
opinion.
They seem conservative because public schools are even more liberal.
They are liberal because they are competing for federal dollars with
other states because the Dept. of Education that controls federal
education money and hands it out as they see fit.
Where were the pictures of coffins? Where was the media
outcry about the IRAQ-911 fabrication before invasion?
No kidding. They read the same intelligence as Bush did. Before the
invasion it was agreed pretty much around the world that Saddam had WMD.
Heck, even Clinton agreed. In fact, he bombed them:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/july-dec98/clinton_12-16.html
nearly 2 tons of dirty bomb material removed from Iraq:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/07/07/iraq.nuclear/index.html
It's now then WMD in Iraq = Bush gets re-elected that now WMD in Iraq is
now politically incorrect.
Why were the independent news anchors covering the Iraq War supervised by
the USA military?
It's because the press became so hostile against Bush and the war that
they access became restricted.
Right Wing=Conservativism=CONTROL
And liberals aren't?? Remember Clinton and Reno were using federal funds
to motivate various police to go after "anti-government types". Clinton
did many of the same things Bush has done, but Clinton turned them
against the people.
The Right Wing dosen't believe in freedom as proven by the
Conservative Brown Shirt Party led by Adolf Hitler.
You have no clue what you're talking about, but you sound like a good
Nazi, totally convinced you are right with few facts to back up what you
are saying.
This is another example of the Right Wing trying to start a civil war
within the United States.
How, by resisting the left?
Arab Terrorists and Right Wing Extremists are from the same mold only
varying in which GOD they worship.
Muslem extremists want Kerry to get elected. Kerry cast his senate vote
against the death penality for terrorists. He also wants to turn much of
the US military under UN control just as Clinton did. He also voted to
cut military spending and against funding the troops in Iraq. And you
know Bush has done 100 times more to fight the war on terror than Gore
ever would. With Bush there have been no more attacks on US soil and
Iraq is coming together much faster than Germany did at the end of World
War 2.
Compare Kerry to terrorists, not Bush.
The statement said Abu Hafs al-Masri needs what it called Bush's
"idiocy and religious fanaticism" because they would "wake up" the
Islamic world.
Maybe he's playing at misdirecting the Anti-Bush crowd with a little bit of
Psy-Op.
The Right Wing have to hire Liberals to do their psych-ops for them.
It is the left who has people giving phony apologies for no WMD on
national news.
The right wing have historically had no more than knee jerk reactions
to events. Now the Right Wing Overlords of Corporations have an agenda
and the brain washed Right will follow blindly as long as some
political puppet waves a flag and bans abortions.
Your mind is full of liberal poo.
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23 Jul 2004 04:23:31 PM |
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"insurgent0001" <YahooGroup@anti_kerry.join-us> wrote
Before the invasion it was agreed pretty much around the
world that Saddam had WMD.
I'm not sure what world that is, but here on Earth the "WMD"
thing was never believed outside the U.S. and Britian.
After all, is was BEFORE the war when Bush's forged "evidence"
of an attempted Uranium purchase was exposed, and it was
BEFORE the war when U.N. weapons inspectors refuted Every.
Single. Claim. of "WMDs" in Iraq.
Even Bush's pre-war "intelligence" contradicted all of his claims,
and this fact was widely reported outside the United States,
beyond the leash Bush keeps on the American media.
Nope, no "WMDs," not according to Bush. Instead Iraq had a
missile which did not exceed U.N. imposed limits on range, but
Bush insisted could be altered at some future date so as to exceed
those range limits.
And, oh yeah, Iraq had a balsa wood drone that supposedly could
carry chemical & biological weapons. How? Nobody knows, but
it is one of the "WMDs" Bush revealed to the U.N.
Outside the U.S., these facts were widely reported as they were
happening.
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| User: "John Griffin" |
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25 Jul 2004 08:15:43 PM |
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Followups repaired
"JTEM" -- a candidate for Poster Boy for Aphasia -- wrote
"John Griffin" <thathillbilly@yahooie.com> wrote
<snicker> It's always funny to see another drone take that
"weapons inspectors" nonsense seriously. You or I
could hide a truckload of nukes somewhere in the
100,000 square miles of sand in Iraq and those
pretenders would have no hope of finding them.
Yet, you idiots insist that Bush really did find them, that he
wasn't lying, even without any boots on the ground.
Can you even begin to imagine how funny it is for you to assert that I
have insisted that Bush really did find them, and for you to believe
that those who did, if any, are the idiots in your life?! Hint: No,
if you were bright enough to do that, you wouldn't be dumb enough to
think I said that.
If you're lucky enough to make some vast improvements in your ability
to comprehend what you're reading, you're going to learn that
disagreeing with you has a very low correlation with idiocy. By very
low, I mean less than zero (way less). You can call it a very high
negative correlation if that makes you feel the power or something.
You're not just pretending that it's an impossible job, you're
pretending that it's an impossible job AND the Bush
campaign...errr.. "administration" did it.
What a fucking idiotic and puerile misconstruction. Where do you get
these ideas, kid? You need to get some of the other little guys to
explain things to you instead of depending on your own obviously
defective logic circuits. Ask your mom if I said it was impossible. (I
said those few people couldn't do it.) Ask your mom if I said Bush
did it. Be careful, she'll probably want to slap you for being so
stupid.
Boy, your "...err.. 'administration'" was sure cute. I bet your peers
all laughed and giggled at that before their moms made them go home
for dinner.
Another blaringly obvious fact you're missing is that those
U.N. inspectors did find plenty of banned weapons and
materials. Back in the 1990s, that is. So you're actually
claiming that it's impossible for people with a history of
uncovering banned materials to uncover banned materials,
but Bush could manage it from a distance of thousands of
miles even though he has never produced a single one.
Holy *****. You're even more stupid than I thought. What I said was
that you or I could hide that ***** effectively. Damn, when you go
into all-out tantrum mode, you have no idea how far astray you're
going to go. A repeat of your imbecilic claim that I said Bush found
the ***** was good, though, since you seem determined to stake a claim
to the lowest rung of the intellectual ladder.
Apparently you weren't able to specifically disagree with what I said,
but still, that was a rather entertaining tantrum. Maybe if you
understood my mention of the fact that the ***** could be hidden well
enough so that a few people being herded around by Saddam Hussein
couldn't find them, you could find a way to at least address it.
That's retarded. That's seriously retarded.
Try to work your way up to the retarded level. Given the huge climb
you face if you try, there's little hope, but at least it would give
you something to do other than parrot the things you've been
programmed to blurt when prodded.
By the way, I hope your mom has extra diapers on hand in case nukes or
whatever have been found in Iraq or are found before November, and
Bush announces it sometime around a week before the election. You'll
be shitting from both ends if that happens.
P.S. If you really don't understand that the reason I laugh at you is
not that your a distant left drone but only that you're funny, call me
a "neocon" or one of those other things fools like you like to throw
at people who don't agree with all the stuff you've been manipulated
into chanting.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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25 Jul 2004 10:49:14 PM |
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"John Griffin" <theonetruuhillbilly@hotmail.com> wrote
"John Griffin" <thathillbilly@yahooie.com> wrote
<snicker> It's always funny to see another drone take that
"weapons inspectors" nonsense seriously. You or I
could hide a truckload of nukes somewhere in the
100,000 square miles of sand in Iraq and those
pretenders would have no hope of finding them.
Can you even begin to imagine how funny it is for you to assert
that I have insisted that Bush really did find them, and for you
to believe that those who did, if any, are the idiots in your life?!
No. Why don't you explain it. After that you can explain your
original comment (above). Please take into account that those
inspectors combed Iraq in the 1990s and found plenty.
So back when the U.N. was saying that Saddam had WMDs, the
weapons inspectors were on the ground in Iraq, and were
uncovering banned materials. Later, in 2003, those same
inspectors said Iraq had nothing, and you denounce them.
What a fucking idiotic and puerile misconstruction.
You need to get out more.
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26 Jul 2004 06:04:05 AM |
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"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote:
"John Griffin" <theonetruuhillbilly@hotmail.com> wrote
"John Griffin" <thathillbilly@yahooie.com> wrote
<snicker> It's always funny to see another drone take that
"weapons inspectors" nonsense seriously. You or I
could hide a truckload of nukes somewhere in the
100,000 square miles of sand in Iraq and those
pretenders would have no hope of finding them.
Can you even begin to imagine how funny it is for you to assert
that I have insisted that Bush really did find them, and for you
to believe that those who did, if any, are the idiots in your life?!
No. Why don't you explain it. After that you can explain your
original comment (above). Please take into account that those
inspectors combed Iraq in the 1990s and found plenty.
It's hilarious. I hope that's enough explanation. By the way, you or I
could hide a truckload of chemical weapons somewhere in the 100,000
square miles of sand in Iraq in such a way that those pretenders would
have no hope of finding them. It doesn't matter what they found before.
So back when the U.N. was saying that Saddam had WMDs, the
weapons inspectors were on the ground in Iraq, and were
uncovering banned materials. Later, in 2003, those same
inspectors said Iraq had nothing, and you denounce them.
I only mentioned the fact that they couldn't possibly find WMD hidden in
the sand if they were hidden carefully. I suppose I should have said
bury instead of hide. I bet you think those guys were free to go
anywhere they wanted in Iraq in 2003. You're gullible enough to believe
they scoured the whole country.
What a fucking idiotic and puerile misconstruction.
You need to get out more.
<snicker> You need to tell me how you were "able" to arrive at the idea
that I said Bush has found Hussein's WMD stuff.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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31 Jul 2004 12:38:18 AM |
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"John Griffin" <thathillbilly@yahooie.com> wrote
By the way, you or I could hide a truckload of chemical
weapons somewhere in the 100,000 square miles of sand
in Iraq
If 1,000 Americans died in Iraq because of what you or I
could do, Bush needs to be indicted.
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| User: "John Griffin" |
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31 Jul 2004 06:42:36 AM |
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"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote
"John Griffin" <thathillbilly@yahooie.com> wrote
By the way, you or I could hide a truckload of chemical
weapons somewhere in the 100,000 square miles of sand
in Iraq
If 1,000 Americans died in Iraq because of what you or I
could do, Bush needs to be indicted.
Such a vapid remark would be funny as hell, but it's just too sad to
know that you actually think it makes sense and that it follows from
the foregoing conversation (or from anything).
Of course, "Bush needs to be indicted" is just part of the cant you've
been trained to try to propagate, so it's not quite as pathetic as it
would be if you were under your own control. Blind hatred and burning
resentment over the failure of that Gore guy's attempt to overturn the
2000 election makes you a willing drone. It's not your fault. It's
just a fairly common weakness and consequent susceptibility to being
manipulated.
Although you don't show any signs of significance, I'm still glad to
see that you didn't try to contrive some goofy attempt to challenge
what I said. That shows that, contrary to all other indications, you
understood it.
Still, "Bush needs to be indicted because there could be WMDs buried
in the sand" is dumb as hell. It's also kinda weird that you aren't
worried about the intelligence agencies' astounding lack of
competence. Maybe you think they lied because they wanted a war to
watch and evaluate. Peace must be boring as hell when you're in the
international conflict industry.
Personally, I don't trust Bush. I believe there's a small chance that
they have in fact found WMDs (in the sand but not deep enough, maybe)
and he's going to show them to the world and U.S. voters early in
November. If that happens, you'll feel pretty silly about having
trusted him to let us know when they were found.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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31 Jul 2004 01:12:54 PM |
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"John Griffin" <theonetruuhillbilly@hotmail.com> wrote
Such a vapid remark would be [---rant deleted---]
I'm really not interested in your fantasies, nor your well
developed sense of intellectual superiority.
I can sum up the death Bush has ensured America, the death
you fully support with your rantings in 12 words:
"Nigerian yellow cake? Iran? Yeah, like we haven't heard
that one before!"
Bush has poisoned the world, even the American people,
against the real threat. Americans will pay dearly for what
the Republicans have done. It will happen. Because of
Bush, all we can do now is sit back and wait for it, sit back
and hope it's not us but a neighboring city.
When it happens, you and your kind will blame everyone
but yourselves, everyone but those directly responsible.
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| User: "John Griffin" |
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01 Aug 2004 07:49:46 AM |
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"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote:
"John Griffin" <theonetruuhillbilly@hotmail.com> wrote
Such a vapid remark would be [---rant deleted---]
This is fuckin' hilarious.
I'm really not interested in your fantasies,
So, you snip whatever I said and "answer" your own fantasies about it in
this petulant little snit.
nor your well
developed sense of intellectual superiority.
I reckon you got that from your own sense of my superiority, seeing that
you felt compelled to snip whatever I wrote and to post this series of
puerile remarks, and seeing that you're the first to mention any such
thing.
Actually, what you're seeing is your own inferiority. You're just afraid
to face it. That's why it was good that you snipped your amazingly
stupid remark about "Bush should be indicted," truly one of the lamest
things I've seen this week.
I can sum up the death Bush has ensured America, the death
you fully support with your rantings in 12 words:
"Nigerian yellow cake? Iran? Yeah, like we haven't heard
that one before!"
What a fucking idiot. It takes some serious stupidity to come to "...the
death you fully support..." from anything I've said. Good grief, man,
you're an actual walkin' talkin' imbecile!
Dumb as that idiotic "conclusion" was, your idea that that silliness
"summed up" anything was even dumber.
Bush has poisoned the world, even the American people,
against the real threat. Americans will pay dearly for what
the Republicans have done. It will happen. Because of
Bush, all we can do now is sit back and wait for it, sit back
and hope it's not us but a neighboring city.
Well, of course you're stupid enough to hope mohammed's zombies hit a
neighboring city. I, on the other hand, hope the mindfucked slaves of
that anachronistic cult have a misfire and blow up their own fucking
city.
Incidentally, you're actually getting more idiotic and more ignorant as
you go along here. Nothing Bush did or could do could increase the
100.000% chance that islamic drones are going to perpetrate more attacks
on modern humans. It has been that way for decades. It was that way
before liar/rapist/influence-peddler Bill Clinton bombed their aspirin
factory, and it was that way afterward.
When it happens, you and your kind will blame everyone
but yourselves, everyone but those directly responsible.
Don't pretend to know who's responsible. You've shown that you don't
read well, can't think clearly and don't intend to try. Plug you in, and
the party songs come out, that's all. The problems of this century
between Islam and modern man were made inevitable when Islam froze
itself in the 10th century and the mainstream didn't stop to wait for it
to catch up. Now they have big problems, like their kids wanting to
listen to music, and their women wanting to do ***** like go outdoors
without permission, because they see that sort of thing happening in
free societies all around them. Instead of deciding to catch up, they
want to drag us down with them.
By the way, for your next piffle, know that I didn't vote for Bush, and
that I was not in favor of the Iraq clusterfuck.
You're a moderately amusing fellow, so I hope to see you snip all this
and branch off in yet another direction in a sorry pretense of replying.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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01 Aug 2004 12:35:24 PM |
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"John Griffin" <thathillbilly@yahooie.com> wrote
So, you [...]
Gosh that was interesting.
I can sum up the death Bush has ensured America, the death
you fully support with your rantings in 12 words:
"Nigerian yellow cake? Iran? Yeah, like we haven't heard
that one before!"
What a fucking idiot.
Bush certainly is, and you are too.
Spend a few minutes on google checking it out yourself. Search for
"Iran" and "nuclear" or "Iran" and "terrorism" or "Iran and "chemical
weapons."
Everything Bush said of Iraq was true for Iran, but a total lie for Iraq.
Why do you think Bush is protecting a terrorist-supporting state with
piles of chemical weapons and an active nuclear program?
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| User: "Thelasian" |
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01 Aug 2004 05:44:09 PM |
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"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<nPudnSEjBbENtZDcRVn-pA@comcast.com>...
"John Griffin" <thathillbilly@yahooie.com> wrote
So, you [...]
Gosh that was interesting.
I can sum up the death Bush has ensured America, the death
you fully support with your rantings in 12 words:
"Nigerian yellow cake? Iran? Yeah, like we haven't heard
that one before!"
What a fucking idiot.
Bush certainly is, and you are too.
Spend a few minutes on google checking it out yourself. Search for
"Iran" and "nuclear" or "Iran" and "terrorism" or "Iran and "chemical
weapons."
Everything Bush said of Iraq was true for Iran, but a total lie for Iraq.
Why do you think Bush is protecting a terrorist-supporting state with
piles of chemical weapons and an active nuclear program?
Actually, its not true about Iran either. There is yet no evidence of
a nuclear WEAPONS program in Iran, as the IAEA itself admits. Iran
does indeed have a nuclear program, but this is permitted under
Article 4 of the Non-Proliferation Treaty (which says its IRan's
INALIENABLE RIGHT to possess nuclear technology.)
Thus far, the Bush administration has put out a lot of innuendo about
Iran, but there's no evidence of any weapons programs.
On the other hand, considering how the US goes around ignoring
international law and its own NPT obligations, why should the IRanians
NOT build a nuclear deterrent?
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| User: "JTEM" |
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01 Aug 2004 07:27:21 PM |
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"Thelasian" <thelasian@yahoo.com> wrote
Actually, its not true about Iran either.
Not only is it true about Iran, but the Bush campaign...errr...
"administration" slapped sanctions on two Chinese firms
for supplying Iran with technology to produce WMDs.
When did this happen? Early in 2002.
There is yet no evidence of a nuclear WEAPONS program
in Iran, as the IAEA itself admits.
What they say is that Iran is not cooperating with them, and
is even lying. There is compelling evidence for something
more than a simple nuclear power program, and certainly
undeniable proof that Iran is not being honest about their
intentions:
http://www.iaea.org/Publications/Documents/Board/2004/gov2004-34.pdf
Thus far, the Bush administration has put out a lot of innuendo
about Iran, but there's no evidence of any weapons programs.
There's plenty of evidence, no "proof."
Funny though, not only are you down-playing the nuclear weapons
threat from Iran, you completely ignored the chemical weapons
threat. Neither of us have brought up the fact of their biological
weapons program.
Well, before now...
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| User: "Thelasian" |
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02 Aug 2004 02:56:51 AM |
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"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<npidnQ3QQYyDFJDcRVn-vw@comcast.com>...
"Thelasian" <thelasian@yahoo.com> wrote
Actually, its not true about Iran either.
Not only is it true about Iran, but the Bush campaign...errr...
"administration" slapped sanctions on two Chinese firms
for supplying Iran with technology to produce WMDs.
When did this happen? Early in 2002.
There is yet no evidence of a nuclear WEAPONS program
in Iran, as the IAEA itself admits.
What they say is that Iran is not cooperating with them, and
is even lying. There is compelling evidence for something
more than a simple nuclear power program, and certainly
undeniable proof that Iran is not being honest about their
intentions:
And what, you're a mind reader who can judge intentions now?
http://www.iaea.org/Publications/Documents/Board/2004/gov2004-34.pdf
Yes I see it - where does it say that Iran is building nukes?
Thus far, the Bush administration has put out a lot of innuendo
about Iran, but there's no evidence of any weapons programs.
There's plenty of evidence, no "proof."
Hmmmm...sounds familiar...
Funny though, not only are you down-playing the nuclear weapons
threat from Iran, you completely ignored the chemical weapons
threat. Neither of us have brought up the fact of their biological
weapons program.
Well, before now...
Well in fact Iran has signed the Chemical weapons convention, being
the only country in recent history who has been the VICTIM of chemical
weapons attacks(by Iraq) sponsorored and supported by the US and UK.
Again, lots of rumor and innuendo, no evidence to support any of it.
However, what's NOT being mentioned is the chem-bio weapons programs
of the US and Israel...until now.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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02 Aug 2004 08:59:03 AM |
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"Thelasian" <thelasian@yahoo.com> wrote
What they say is that Iran is not cooperating with them, and
is even lying. There is compelling evidence for something
more than a simple nuclear power program, and certainly
undeniable proof that Iran is not being honest about their
intentions:
And what, you're a mind reader who can judge intentions now?
I can read a report:
http://www.iaea.org/Publications/Documents/Board/2004/gov2004-34.pdf
Yes I see it - where does it say that Iran is building nukes?
Are you just making this up as you go along? Where are you
pretending that I said the U.N. made any direct claims? The U.N.
is definitely reporting Iran's total lack of cooperation & dishonesty.
However, the U.N. itself draws no conclusions from these facts.
Thus far, the Bush administration has put out a lot of innuendo
about Iran, but there's no evidence of any weapons programs.
There's plenty of evidence, no "proof."
Hmmmm...sounds familiar...
No it doesn't. Would you care to explain?
Well in fact Iran has signed the Chemical weapons convention,
being the only country in recent history who has been the VICTIM
of chemical weapons attacks(by Iraq) sponsorored and supported
by the US and UK. Again, lots of rumor and innuendo, no
evidence to support any of it.
Meanwhile, Iran has been buying up all the exact same "dual use"
technology you fault us for selling to Iraq. I agree that it was bad
for Iraq to get that technology, where I disagree with you is your
fantasy that there's no issue in the case of Iran.
Here. This names a number of specific companies that were selling
such "dual use" technology to Iran:
http://www.armscontrol.org/act/2002_06/wmdjune02.asp
However, what's NOT being mentioned is the chem-bio weapons
programs of the US and Israel...until now.
Israel is going to attack Iran? Is that the claim? Iran doesn't have
terrorist links?
What? Be specific.
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| User: "Thelasian" |
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02 Aug 2004 11:03:16 PM |
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"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<l6adnV0jQNXH2pPcRVn-vw@comcast.com>...
"Thelasian" <thelasian@yahoo.com> wrote
What they say is that Iran is not cooperating with them, and
is even lying. There is compelling evidence for something
more than a simple nuclear power program, and certainly
undeniable proof that Iran is not being honest about their
intentions:
And what, you're a mind reader who can judge intentions now?
I can read a report:
http://www.iaea.org/Publications/Documents/Board/2004/gov2004-34.pdf
Yes I see it - where does it say that Iran is building nukes?
Are you just making this up as you go along? Where are you
pretending that I said the U.N. made any direct claims? The U.N.
is definitely reporting Iran's total lack of cooperation & dishonesty.
However, the U.N. itself draws no conclusions from these facts.
Ah, see how you fall for the guilt-by-innuendo again by reading facts
into reports that arent there? You can play with words and talk about
"direct claims" vs. "indirect claims" all you want but the facts is
that the IAEA has stated that there's no evidence of a nuclear weapons
program in Iran.
"Mohamed ElBaradei, the I.A.E.A. director, has repeatedly stated that
his agency has not "seen concrete proof of a military program, so it's
premature to make a judgment on that." David Albright, a former U.N.
weapons inspector who is an expert on nuclear proliferation,
buttressed the I.A.E.A. claim. "The United States has no concrete
evidence of a nuclear-weapons program," Albright told me. "It's just
an inference. There's no smoking gun." "
SOURCE New Yorker article by SEYMOUR M. HERSH
Issue of 2004-06-28
Thus far, the Bush administration has put out a lot of innuendo
about Iran, but there's no evidence of any weapons programs.
There's plenty of evidence, no "proof."
Hmmmm...sounds familiar...
No it doesn't. Would you care to explain?
Sure, remember the "mobile biological labs" in Iraq? The same
speculation and innuendo were fed to sheep like you, who ate it up.
Well in fact Iran has signed the Chemical weapons convention,
being the only country in recent history who has been the VICTIM
of chemical weapons attacks(by Iraq) sponsorored and supported
by the US and UK. Again, lots of rumor and innuendo, no
evidence to support any of it.
Meanwhile, Iran has been buying up all the exact same "dual use"
technology you fault us for selling to Iraq.
I am not sure what dual use equipment you're talking about. The dual
use equipment that Iraq obtained from the US was for chemical weapons
and Iran has not made any such deals with the USA. But if you're
talking about nuclear "dual use" stuff, note that Iran has signed and
abides by the Additional Protocol and Iraq did not, and furthermore
IRaq invaded Iran and not vice versa.
I agree that it was bad
for Iraq to get that technology, where I disagree with you is your
fantasy that there's no issue in the case of Iran.
There's an 'issue' whenever you decide to make it into an issue. The
bottom line is this:
Iran is ENTITLED to have nuclear technology under Art 4 of the
non-proliferation Treaty.
This technology, which is used for civilian purposes, COULD ONE DAY
POSSIBLY be used to make bombs - as can my pocket calculator.
But having the technology is not proof of an intent to make bombs.
On the other hand, if IRan did decide to build bombs, IT WOULD MAKE
PERFECT SENSE for Iran. After all, they're surrounded by nuclear
weapons states.
Here. This names a number of specific companies that were selling
such "dual use" technology to Iran:
http://www.armscontrol.org/act/2002_06/wmdjune02.asp
Had it ever occurred to you that ANY technology "could be" used to
make WMD??? Has it occurred to you that the same US government LIED
about Iraq???
However, what's NOT being mentioned is the chem-bio weapons
programs of the US and Israel...until now.
Israel is going to attack Iran? Is that the claim? Iran doesn't have
terrorist links?
What? Be specific.
ISrael is going to attack Iran? I don't know since they haven't told
me. If they do, so what? Iran will rightfully use to the opportunity
to withdraw from the NPT and build nuclear weapons for self-defense in
EARNEST with the full support and backing of its people.
Terrorist links? As if Israel doesn't have terrorist links or the USA
doesn't have terrorist links? Who do you think trained the Guatemalan
hit squads who rape nuns as a hobby? You really need to read a book or
two and stop watching Fox News.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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03 Aug 2004 12:33:54 AM |
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"Thelasian" <thelasian@yahoo.com> wrote
Are you just making this up as you go along? Where are
you pretending that I said the U.N. made any direct
claims? The U.N. is definitely reporting Iran's total lack
of cooperation & dishonesty. However, the U.N. itself
draws no conclusions from these facts.
Ah, see how you fall for the guilt-by-innuendo again by reading
facts into reports that arent there?
Cut to the chase: Are you admitting that you were wrong, or do
you always have difficulty following conversations?
Now read the report. Skip to section B, page 5, if you're only
interested in the naughty bits:
http://www.iaea.org/Publications/Documents/Board/2004/gov2004-34.pdf
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| User: "Thelasian" |
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03 Aug 2004 01:36:18 PM |
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"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<VIadnSUwPKLov5LcRVn-hw@comcast.com>...
"Thelasian" <thelasian@yahoo.com> wrote
Are you just making this up as you go along? Where are
you pretending that I said the U.N. made any direct
claims? The U.N. is definitely reporting Iran's total lack
of cooperation & dishonesty. However, the U.N. itself
draws no conclusions from these facts.
Ah, see how you fall for the guilt-by-innuendo again by reading
facts into reports that arent there?
Cut to the chase: Are you admitting that you were wrong, or do
you always have difficulty following conversations?
Now read the report. Skip to section B, page 5, if you're only
interested in the naughty bits:
http://www.iaea.org/Publications/Documents/Board/2004/gov2004-34.pdf
Read it. Sorry, no mention of a nuclear weapons program.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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03 Aug 2004 01:45:53 PM |
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"Thelasian" <thelasian@yahoo.com> wrote
Are you just making this up as you go along? Where are
you pretending that I said the U.N. made any direct
claims? The U.N. is definitely reporting Iran's total lack
of cooperation & dishonesty. However, the U.N. itself
draws no conclusions from these facts.
Later:
Read it. Sorry, no mention of a nuclear weapons program.
Sorry, idiot, but you're making this up as you go along. I never
claimed that the U.N. offered conclusions on a wepaons
program.
What I did state is the fact that *Everything* Bush said of Iraq
is true for Iran. Everything.
As for what the U.N. is saying, start at section B, page 5:
http://www.iaea.org/Publications/Documents/Board/2004/gov2004-34.pdf
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| User: "Jean Guernon" |
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03 Aug 2004 06:00:27 PM |
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Thelasian a écrit:
"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<VIadnSUwPKLov5LcRVn-hw@comcast.com>...
"Thelasian" <thelasian@yahoo.com> wrote
Are you just making this up as you go along? Where are
you pretending that I said the U.N. made any direct
claims? The U.N. is definitely reporting Iran's total lack
of cooperation & dishonesty. However, the U.N. itself
draws no conclusions from these facts.
Ah, see how you fall for the guilt-by-innuendo again by reading
facts into reports that arent there?
Cut to the chase: Are you admitting that you were wrong, or do
you always have difficulty following conversations?
Now read the report. Skip to section B, page 5, if you're only
interested in the naughty bits:
http://www.iaea.org/Publications/Documents/Board/2004/gov2004-34.pdf
Read it. Sorry, no mention of a nuclear weapons program.<
No of courrrrse, they keep building centrigufes and other activities
which they don't declare until they get busted, just for kids
merrygorounds, of courrrrrrrrse.
LOL
J.
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| User: "Thelasian" |
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14 Aug 2004 12:43:29 AM |
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Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message news:<fOUPc.20992892$Id.3472029@news.easynews.com>...
Thelasian a écrit:
"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<VIadnSUwPKLov5LcRVn-hw@comcast.com>...
"Thelasian" <thelasian@yahoo.com> wrote
Are you just making this up as you go along? Where are
you pretending that I said the U.N. made any direct
claims? The U.N. is definitely reporting Iran's total lack
of cooperation & dishonesty. However, the U.N. itself
draws no conclusions from these facts.
Ah, see how you fall for the guilt-by-innuendo again by reading
facts into reports that arent there?
Cut to the chase: Are you admitting that you were wrong, or do
you always have difficulty following conversations?
Now read the report. Skip to section B, page 5, if you're only
interested in the naughty bits:
http://www.iaea.org/Publications/Documents/Board/2004/gov2004-34.pdf
Read it. Sorry, no mention of a nuclear weapons program.<
No of courrrrse, they keep building centrigufes and other activities
which they don't declare until they get busted, just for kids
merrygorounds, of courrrrrrrrse.
LOL
J.
Actually, if you had bothered actually KNOWING something about this
other than what you're fed, you'd know that 1- building centrifuges is
perfectly legal, and 2- Iran had already informed the IAEA of the fact
that it intended to enrich uranium, which is why the IAEA sent
inspectors MANY YEARS AGO to inspect Iran's uranium mines, and 3-
According to Iran's NPT agreement, Iran is required to inform the IAEA
of the centrifuges sites 180-days PRIOR TO THE RECEIPT OF FISSILE
MATERIAL and not when the site was under construction.
But then again, you're just a sheep who probably believed there was
WMD in Iraq too.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: Liberals HATE Fox News |
14 Aug 2004 01:33:48 AM |
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"Thelasian" <thelasian@yahoo.com> wrote
Actually, if you had bothered actually KNOWING something
about this other than what you're fed, you'd know that
1- building centrifuges is perfectly legal, and 2- Iran had
already informed the IAEA of the fact that it intended to
enrich uranium, [---snip---]
You're intentionally misrepresenting the issue.
Start at section B, page 5:
http://www.iaea.org/Publications/Documents/Board/2004/gov2004-34.pdf
Only after you're done with that, when you finally understand
the context, you can move on to this:
http://www.isis-online.org/publications/iran/index.html
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| User: "Cuan" |
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| Title: Re: Liberals HATE Fox News |
14 Aug 2004 01:47:21 PM |
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On 13 Aug 2004 22:43:29 -0700, (Thelasian) wrote:
Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message news:<fOUPc.20992892$Id.3472029@news.easynews.com>...
Thelasian a écrit:
"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<VIadnSUwPKLov5LcRVn-hw@comcast.com>...
"Thelasian" < > wrote
Are you just making this up as you go along? Where are
you pretending that I said the U.N. made any direct
claims? The U.N. is definitely reporting Iran's total lack
of cooperation & dishonesty. However, the U.N. itself
draws no conclusions from these facts.
Ah, see how you fall for the guilt-by-innuendo again by reading
facts into reports that arent there?
Cut to the chase: Are you admitting that you were wrong, or do
you always have difficulty following conversations?
Now read the report. Skip to section B, page 5, if you're only
interested in the naughty bits:
http://www.iaea.org/Publications/Documents/Board/2004/gov2004-34.pdf
Read it. Sorry, no mention of a nuclear weapons program.<
No of courrrrse, they keep building centrigufes and other activities
which they don't declare until they get busted, just for kids
merrygorounds, of courrrrrrrrse.
LOL
J.
Actually, if you had bothered actually KNOWING something about this
other than what you're fed, you'd know that 1- building centrifuges is
perfectly legal, and 2- Iran had already informed the IAEA of the fact
that it intended to enrich uranium, which is why the IAEA sent
inspectors MANY YEARS AGO to inspect Iran's uranium mines, and 3-
According to Iran's NPT agreement, Iran is required to inform the IAEA
of the centrifuges sites 180-days PRIOR TO THE RECEIPT OF FISSILE
MATERIAL and not when the site was under construction.
But then again, you're just a sheep who probably believed there was
WMD in Iraq too.
who's side are you on?
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| User: "Michael Johnathan McDonald" |
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| Title: Re: Liberals HATE Fox News |
14 Aug 2004 05:56:37 PM |
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Cuan <an@nymous.co.za> wrote in message news:<efnsh0tehunuvi3fqp5trlpd776j5c3c2j@4ax.com>...
On 13 Aug 2004 22:43:29 -0700, (Thelasian) wrote:
Actually, if you had bothered actually KNOWING something about this
other than what you're fed, you'd know that 1- building centrifuges is
perfectly legal, and 2- Iran had already informed the IAEA of the fact
that it intended to enrich uranium, which is why the IAEA sent
inspectors MANY YEARS AGO to inspect Iran's uranium mines, and 3-
According to Iran's NPT agreement, Iran is required to inform the IAEA
of the centrifuges sites 180-days PRIOR TO THE RECEIPT OF FISSILE
MATERIAL and not when the site was under construction.
But then again, you're just a sheep who probably believed there was
WMD in Iraq too.
who's side are you on?
The side that has a brain! :>
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| User: "Cuan" |
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15 Aug 2004 03:17:06 AM |
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On 14 Aug 2004 15:56:37 -0700, (Michael
Johnathan McDonald) wrote:
Cuan <an@nymous.co.za> wrote in message news:<efnsh0tehunuvi3fqp5trlpd776j5c3c2j@4ax.com>...
On 13 Aug 2004 22:43:29 -0700, (Thelasian) wrote:
Actually, if you had bothered actually KNOWING something about this
other than what you're fed, you'd know that 1- building centrifuges is
perfectly legal, and 2- Iran had already informed the IAEA of the fact
that it intended to enrich uranium, which is why the IAEA sent
inspectors MANY YEARS AGO to inspect Iran's uranium mines, and 3-
According to Iran's NPT agreement, Iran is required to inform the IAEA
of the centrifuges sites 180-days PRIOR TO THE RECEIPT OF FISSILE
MATERIAL and not when the site was under construction.
But then again, you're just a sheep who probably believed there was
WMD in Iraq too.
who's side are you on?
The side that has a brain! :>
Only one? Gee...I take it it's not yours.
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| User: "//The Commentator" |
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15 Aug 2004 02:15:22 PM |
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Cuan wrote:
On 14 Aug 2004 15:56:37 -0700, (Michael
Johnathan McDonald) wrote:
Cuan <an@nymous.co.za> wrote in message news:<efnsh0tehunuvi3fqp5trlpd776j5c3c2j@4ax.com>...
On 13 Aug 2004 22:43:29 -0700, (Thelasian) wrote:
Actually, if you had bothered actually KNOWING something about this
other than what you're fed, you'd know that 1- building centrifuges is
perfectly legal, and 2- Iran had already informed the IAEA of the fact
that it intended to enrich uranium, which is why the IAEA sent
inspectors MANY YEARS AGO to inspect Iran's uranium mines, and 3-
According to Iran's NPT agreement, Iran is required to inform the IAEA
of the centrifuges sites 180-days PRIOR TO THE RECEIPT OF FISSILE
MATERIAL and not when the site was under construction.
But then again, you're just a sheep who probably believed there was
WMD in Iraq too.
who's side are you on?
The side that has a brain! :>
Only one? Gee...I take it it's not yours.
You really are utterly clueless.
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| User: "Cuan" |
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| Title: Re: Liberals HATE Fox News |
17 Aug 2004 04:40:21 AM |
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On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 12:15:22 -0700, //The Commentator\\
<guess@who.net> wrote:
Cuan wrote:
On 14 Aug 2004 15:56:37 -0700, (Michael
Johnathan McDonald) wrote:
Cuan <an@nymous.co.za> wrote in message news:<efnsh0tehunuvi3fqp5trlpd776j5c3c2j@4ax.com>...
On 13 Aug 2004 22:43:29 -0700, (Thelasian) wrote:
Actually, if you had bothered actually KNOWING something about this
other than what you're fed, you'd know that 1- building centrifuges is
perfectly legal, and 2- Iran had already informed the IAEA of the fact
that it intended to enrich uranium, which is why the IAEA sent
inspectors MANY YEARS AGO to inspect Iran's uranium mines, and 3-
According to Iran's NPT agreement, Iran is required to inform the IAEA
of the centrifuges sites 180-days PRIOR TO THE RECEIPT OF FISSILE
MATERIAL and not when the site was under construction.
But then again, you're just a sheep who probably believed there was
WMD in Iraq too.
who's side are you on?
The side that has a brain! :>
Only one? Gee...I take it it's not yours.
You really are utterly clueless.
What the?! WTF did you get spawned? It's not my fault if Ronald
McDonald says Thelasian is on the side that has a brain, when he's
actually of the opposing view to his own. Perhaps you should call
*him* clueless. At least you'd be right about something.
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| User: "The Independent of Clackamas County" |
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14 Aug 2004 02:33:25 PM |
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Cuan wrote:
On 13 Aug 2004 22:43:29 -0700, (Thelasian) wrote:
Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message news:<fOUPc.20992892$Id.3472029@news.easynews.com>...
Thelasian a écrit:
"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<VIadnSUwPKLov5LcRVn-hw@comcast.com>...
"Thelasian" < > wrote
Are you just making this up as you go along? Where are
you pretending that I said the U.N. made any direct
claims? The U.N. is definitely reporting Iran's total lack
of cooperation & dishonesty. However, the U.N. itself
draws no conclusions from these facts.
Ah, see how you fall for the guilt-by-innuendo again by reading
facts into reports that arent there?
Cut to the chase: Are you admitting that you were wrong, or do
you always have difficulty following conversations?
Now read the report. Skip to section B, page 5, if you're only
interested in the naughty bits:
http://www.iaea.org/Publications/Documents/Board/2004/gov2004-34.pdf
Read it. Sorry, no mention of a nuclear weapons program.<
No of courrrrse, they keep building centrigufes and other activities
which they don't declare until they get busted, just for kids
merrygorounds, of courrrrrrrrse.
LOL
J.
Actually, if you had bothered actually KNOWING something about this
other than what you're fed, you'd know that 1- building centrifuges is
perfectly legal, and 2- Iran had already informed the IAEA of the fact
that it intended to enrich uranium, which is why the IAEA sent
inspectors MANY YEARS AGO to inspect Iran's uranium mines, and 3-
According to Iran's NPT agreement, Iran is required to inform the IAEA
of the centrifuges sites 180-days PRIOR TO THE RECEIPT OF FISSILE
MATERIAL and not when the site was under construction.
But then again, you're just a sheep who probably believed there was
WMD in Iraq too.
who's side are you on?
May I ask one very small question?
If Iran is not planning on building Nuclear Weapons then why are the
spending so much money on their long range missile program, specifically
the Shahab-3, the Shahab-4 and the Shahab-5 missiles??
hint (long range missiles are only usable when they have nuclear war
heads, has they don't carry enough weight for chemical explosives.)
Here are the Specs for the Iranian Missiles
Shahab-3 Range 865 miles war head weight 2553 lbs
Possible Target Israel
Shahab-4 ( A flexible missile system)
Two Stage War Head weight 2205 lbs Range 1243 miles
Possible targets Israel, West India, Balkans)
War Head weight 1654 lbs Range 1367 miles
Possible targets Israel, Western India, Balkans)
War head Weight 1103 lbs Range 1538 miles
Possible targets Israel, central India, central Europe
Three Stage War head weight 838 lbs Range 1660 miles
Possible targets Israel, India, Central and western Europe
War head weight 640 lbs Range 1800 miles
Possible targets Israel, India, all of Europe
Shahab-5 War head weight 2690 lbs Range 3399 miles
War head weight 1080 lbs Range 3500 miles
The Iranians have started preliminary design work on the Shahab-7
missile system that has the estimated design parameters
War Head weight 1786 lbs Range 6214 miles
War head weight 1054 lbs Range 7457 miles
This missiles can hit the Eastern United States
The Independent
"Pilot to Gunner: Bandits at 9 O'Clock."
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