On Mon, 16 Jan 2006, Steve <steve@eliasberg.org> wrote:
OK maybe this is so obvious that everyone else already knows it, but
am I the only one that noticed the way the opening assassination scene
echoes history, ie, assassination of MLK back in the late 60s? MLK
was shot with a rifle by a man in a building opposite his
while he was standing on a balcony. Palmer was in a hotel also, with
a balcony,
although evidently he was shot through the window......by a man with
a rifle in a nearby building as was MLK.....
Another history echo: Richard Nixon - who looks a lot like
President Logan - had an Attorney General named Mitchell....whose
wife MARTHA was famously nutty and a loose cannon, just like Logan's
wife Martha.......Steve
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Very interesting comparisons. Some obvious differences,
of course, but there are some *striking* similarities.
And you're right, "President Logan" has some notable
Nixonesque qualities. But Martha Mitchell? Hmm...
We do know that Palmer dies instantly, but King wasn't
pronounced dead until a full hour after he was shot.
But did King die instantly and merely get "pronounced"
dead an hour later? Maybe someone who knows detailed
medical COD accounts in King's case can chime in here?
The weapon used to kill Palmer was a quote, ".308"
(NATO 7.62x51mm) but M.Luther King was killed by a
Remington ".30-'06", caliber rifle. Very close, but
not quite identical. Close enough, identical results!
Notably, both are shot once only and both shots are
lethal kills to the THROAT. But of course, "Palmer"-
actor Dennis Haysbert (b. born June 2, 1954 San Mateo,
CA) gets to continue stumping for Allstate Insurance,
whereas King's life got cut short almost four decades
ago, on the evening of April 4, 1968, in Memphis, TN.
This raises the much broader question, of course, and
that is how much else of FOX's blockbuster '24' series
can be correlated to real-world characters and politics?
There's no doubt that '24' has been viciously criticized
since its November 2001 debut by the far-left, anti-Xian
anti-American liberal A.C.L.U. and other radical criminal
terrorist-supporting organizations.
No matter, since '24' has irrefutably earned its place as
one of the very finest series in the history of television,
as its stellar ratings attest... much kudos to FOX & Co.! :-D
HIP-HIP-HURRAH! Here comes U.S. Supreme Court Justice Alito!
Daniel Joseph Min
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x2B1CCFE7
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| Title: Re: MLK, 24, and Martha Mitchell |
16 Jan 2006 04:52:08 PM |
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On Mon, 16 Jan 2006, Steve <steve@eliasberg.org> wrote:
On 16 Jan 2006 20:23:59 -0000, Daniel Joseph Min
<Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jan 2006, Steve <steve@eliasberg.org> wrote:
OK maybe this is so obvious that everyone else already knows it, but
am I the only one that noticed the way the opening assassination scene
echoes history, ie, assassination of MLK back in the late 60s? MLK
<snips for clarity>
Tell me if this doesn't sound quite a lot like the fictional 'Martha'
the 24 writers are beginning to construct for us:
"Things began to fall apart for Martha when the Watergate scandal
exploded in October, 1972. The Washington Post reported that her
husband, John, had authorized $250,000 to pay for bail and to hush up
the Watergate burglars. Martha was apoplectic, believing the White
house was using her husband as a scapegoat to protect Richard Nixon.
Martha called Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein, the two young reporters
at the Post, to make her case that John was nothing but a puppet being
manipulated by Nixon. Then she began to call other reporters,
sometimes in the middle of the night. John Mitchell knew of his wife's
actions, and at first defended her, accusing the press of exploiting a
na<ve Southern girl. Soon Nixon was on his case, however,
and John reportedly went so far as to lock Martha in a closet to keep
her from phoning the press. "
(from a bio of Martha Mitchell)
http://homepage.mac.com/davidmeyer/MarthaMitchellMusical/page5/page5.html
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Yes. I see your point about the "Martha-to-Martha" connection;
probably true by the looks of it. But then I guess we'll have to
wait and see how it all plays out, given the mole, the Russian
terrorists, and all the other Hell that's breaking loose!
Why make President Palmer die so very much like MLK, and do
so in such immediate proximity to MLK Day? It's obviously not
just because President Palmer was black... it's obviously a
whole lot more than just that. It's equality versus inequality,
at least. How's that translate into modern American politics?
And why these bizarre "Martha" comparisons? Also, I'm guessing
that Jack Bauer is the personification of the Republican party,
who in essence "returned from the dead" with the election and
reelection of Bush & Co., and the return of party control over
the Supreme Court--and how this all ties into the war on terror
in the wake of 9/11/2001, given the debut of '24' within just
*two months* thereafter. And overall, who does CTU politically
represent?, the RNC? And the moles, DNC operatives?
And remember the A.C.L.U.-esque lawyers trying to free those
terrorists last season? Obviously the writers of '24' are NO
big fans of the perniciously anti-American anti-Xian far-left!
NO ONE can dispute that the American political landscape has
become a bloody, take-no-prisoners, no-holds-barred, winner-
take-all WAR zone in which the liberal left have as a matter
of record self-destructed. And how '24' has thus far dealt
with the Islamic Jihad, the Chinese, Russians et al, strongly
suggests *very* conservative views on the subject matter. You
know, torture, kill, do WHATEVER it takes to defeat the enemy
and simply tell the A.C.L.U. they can all go phuck themselves.
That's the diametric opposite of the views of the liberal left,
who prefer appeasement and surrender to insanely anti-American
anti-Christian socialists, communists and the genocidal Islamo-
fascist "Hitler-in-a-Headscarf" regimes who want to kill us all.
Also, I've seen other threads suggesting that Chloe's fling
could turn out to be a mole, too? We all know that '24' is
*always* full of surprises, with bullets, bombs, missiles,
viruses, double agents ad infinitum around every corner! :-D
Surely, more and more '24' real-world comparisons will be made
and talked about as the much-lauded fifth season progresses, and
in hind-sight over the last four seasons... '24' is a GREAT show!
Enjoy Life! (here comes U.S. Supreme Court Justice Sam Alito!)
Daniel Joseph Min
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| Title: Re: MLK, 24, and Martha Mitchell |
16 Jan 2006 08:15:56 PM |
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On Mon, 16 Jan 2006, Steve <steve@eliasberg.org> wrote:
On 16 Jan 2006 22:25:33 -0000, Daniel Joseph Min
<Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jan 2006, Steve <steve@eliasberg.org> wrote:
On 16 Jan 2006 20:23:59 -0000, Daniel Joseph Min
<Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jan 2006, Steve <steve@eliasberg.org> wrote:
OK maybe this is so obvious that everyone else already knows it, but
am I the only one that noticed the way the opening assassination scene
echoes history, ie, assassination of MLK back in the late 60s? MLK
<more snippage>
Whoa, DJ Min, you are a prolific poster! Thanks for your thoughts,
very interesting throughout.....I think we might be in danger of
making too much of these historical comparisons......agree with you
the writers are fairly conservative politically, that's really what
makes drama on Fox so refreshing compared to ABC/NBC/CBS.....there are
two real keye to the popularity of 24......one, the writers and
producers have been the ONLY ones - since 9/11 - who are NOT afraid
to make Arabs/Muslims/Islamofascists the bad guys. Try to name
another movie or tv series that has done that, since 9/11.... The
other thing is Jack Bauer's torture of recalcitrant
terrorists...literally makes the show....Steve
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Thanks for your kind and thoughtful reply, Steve. I've read that
the notoroiusly liberal Showtime's 'Sleeper Cell' is pretty much
the opposite of '24' in practically every way; you know, like in
porytraying America as the "evil zionist neocons" and terrorists
as the poor, hapless "freedom fighters" ad nauseam. I've noticed
some posts from far-left liberal-sympathizers lauding Showtime's
Sleeper Cell as "very smart, intelligent...way way better...more
realistic..doesn't have implausibility and ridiculousness of 24",
etc. (Message ID <ssCrf.117592$1g6.34075@fe08.news.easynews.com>).
No matter. Since Sleeper's ratings are about 1/1000th that of 24. :-D
I know it's easy to want to perhaps "over-politicize" television
entertainment. But, like you say, what other television networks
are taking the high road against terrorism, especially since the
World Trade Center was destroyed by genocidal Islamic militants?
And I suppose viewers can dissect each '24' character--and group
they belong to--under the political microscope and speculatively
attribute real-life comparisons to timely reports on the FOXNEWS
channel if we really wanted to. It's all good publicity for '24'.
But again as you point out, Jack Bauer's unwavering patriotism,
and his audaciously relentless and unhesitant pursuit of enemy
terrorist threats makes his character steadfastly conservative,
as does pretty much the whole premise of the show from day one.
It's just an hour or so until 'Day 5:9am-10am/10am-11am', here
in the central mountains of Colorado where I live (7-9 pm MST).
Gotta go! I hope that the mole in the White House gets busted,
and that we find out what the "Martha Logan" deal is all about...
Enjoy Life! (here comes U.S. Supreme Court Justice Sam Alito!)
Daniel Joseph Min
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| Title: Re: MLK, 24, and Martha Mitchell |
16 Jan 2006 11:47:06 PM |
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You left out the part about the Palmer assassination having 'tyes' to someone within The White
House.
Just An Observation.
:-(]
"Daniel Joseph Min" wrote in message
On Mon, 16 Jan 2006, Steve <steve@eliasberg.org> wrote:
OK maybe this is so obvious that everyone else already knows it, but
am I the only one that noticed the way the opening assassination scene
echoes history, ie, assassination of MLK back in the late 60s? MLK
was shot with a rifle by a man in a building opposite his
while he was standing on a balcony. Palmer was in a hotel also, with
a balcony,
although evidently he was shot through the window......by a man with
a rifle in a nearby building as was MLK.....
Another history echo: Richard Nixon - who looks a lot like
President Logan - had an Attorney General named Mitchell....whose
wife MARTHA was famously nutty and a loose cannon, just like Logan's
wife Martha.......Steve
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Very interesting comparisons. Some obvious differences,
of course, but there are some *striking* similarities.
And you're right, "President Logan" has some notable
Nixonesque qualities. But Martha Mitchell? Hmm...
We do know that Palmer dies instantly, but King wasn't
pronounced dead until a full hour after he was shot.
But did King die instantly and merely get "pronounced"
dead an hour later? Maybe someone who knows detailed
medical COD accounts in King's case can chime in here?
The weapon used to kill Palmer was a quote, ".308"
(NATO 7.62x51mm) but M.Luther King was killed by a
Remington ".30-'06", caliber rifle. Very close, but
not quite identical. Close enough, identical results!
Notably, both are shot once only and both shots are
lethal kills to the THROAT. But of course, "Palmer"-
actor Dennis Haysbert (b. born June 2, 1954 San Mateo,
CA) gets to continue stumping for Allstate Insurance,
whereas King's life got cut short almost four decades
ago, on the evening of April 4, 1968, in Memphis, TN.
This raises the much broader question, of course, and
that is how much else of FOX's blockbuster '24' series
can be correlated to real-world characters and politics?
There's no doubt that '24' has been viciously criticized
since its November 2001 debut by the far-left, anti-Xian
anti-American liberal A.C.L.U. and other radical criminal
terrorist-supporting organizations.
No matter, since '24' has irrefutably earned its place as
one of the very finest series in the history of television,
as its stellar ratings attest... much kudos to FOX & Co.! :-D
HIP-HIP-HURRAH! Here comes U.S. Supreme Court Justice Alito!
Daniel Joseph Min
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x2B1CCFE7
*Download Min's Banned (Freeware) Books:
http://www.2hot2cool.com/11/danieljosephmin/
*Min's Google-Archived Home Page On The WWW:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=XJBDEJF138262.9022453704@anonymous.poster
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