Not the start, but the beginning of the end.....
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"Thaddeus" <nojmail@zxf.com> wrote in message news:<c5noes$676$1@terabinaries.xmission.com>...
This is a very good interpretation in my opinion and similar to what I have
uncovered in my studies of Nostradamus, the Book of revelations, the book of
Daniel, and modern day and ancient prophesies.
I used to be a big fan of Nosty, but recently have been questioning his
character. He was a very interesting man to say the least. After reading
about religious prophets before Nosty's time that prophesied similar events
enigmatically described by Nosty got me thinking. What if Nosty got his
material from the prophesies of the saints before him?
It makes a lot of sense that he actually spent time in his secret room
studying true prophets before him instead of all the hocus pocus stuff. He
was very secretive of his methods and claimed to take his secret to his
grave. He was also purported to have burned some of his work, and maybe his
sources. Such a source could have been the Mirabilis liber published in
1524, which is a collection of prophesies of religious people before Nosty
originally written in Latin.
I do not believe in astrology, being a scientist and all, and also do not
believe in magic clairvoyance by looking at a black mirror or bowl of water.
I do believe in the Holy Spirit however, and so accept Nosty not as a
prophet, but more as a scholar.
Anyway, some of the differences that I understand is that of the listed
Popes by Malachy, that the Popes listed are true Popes. That is, they are
the Vicars of Christ and not Anti-Popes that are specifically fallible. So,
the last two popes are not necessarily the next two Popes. The next Pope
could possibly be very Liberal and cause a huge problem that leads to
apostasy and schism.
From what I understand, JPII is supposed to be the fleeing Pope from this
attack, possibly a large scale terrorist attack from a large terrorist cell
in Italy. He will then be martyred and filmed because the whole world will
see it. JPII will dedicate his martyrdom to Mary, and surprise the
terrorists with a divine vigor and defiance to the terrorists.
I would think that this would have to happen soon though, because the Pope
definitely does not have much time left. He did do well this Easter with
the tough schedule and never ceases to amaze me with spurts of good health.
The next Pope seems more likely, but improbable is not necessarily
impossible. It is very unlikely the Pope will live for another decade or
five years for that matter, but it is not impossible.
Time will tell.
God bless,
Thaddeus
"Johnny Diva" <johnnydiva@aol.com> wrote in message
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From: snowflake
I thought this (jpII) was supposed to be the last pope according to
Nostradamus?
No. Some people believe that the Papal lineage is almost finished because
of
prophecies by an Irish saint named Malachy. While on a pilgrimage to
Rome, he
saw a vision of the next 112 popes and attributed a short enigmatic latin
phrase to describe them. According to his list, we're on Pope #110. For
example, the first on the list was "castle on the Tiber River" and that
first
Pope was born on the Tiber and his Italian surname was "Castle." Pope
John
Paul I was named "of the half-moon" He was coronated & died on a
half-moon.
Pope John Paul II's epigram is "of the solar eclipse" and he was born on a
solar eclipse. It is believed by some he will die on an eclipse too.
Now here is where the legends of Nostradamus comes into play. The next
Pope on
Malachy's list (#111) is called "Gloria Olivæ" which means "Glory of the
Olive
[Branch]" Some people believe this means that 1) this Pope will be
coronated
during a time of peace 2) this Pope will hearld in a short time of peace
3)
The Olive Branch will be on his Coat of Arms but sugguest something ironic
of
his reign (which was the case with many of Malachy's slogans).
According to Nostradamus during the final Popes -- there will be a
conflict in
the Conclave over whom to elect. Half the Cardinals will support a
Spanish
[speaking] Cardinal, the other half a French one. There is another
quatrain
which says the winning Pope will be French & suggests this Pope will be a
Catholic convert. Then, because of the election -- there will be a
schism.
Other quatrains sugguest that Muslims (in a "metal fish") will sack Rome
during
this Pope's reign and this [French?] Pope will flee back to France - like
back
in the days of the Avignon Exile. This sacking of Rome will be one of the
starting causes of a world war -- perhaps World War III.
If you look at the current demographics of the Church, this is a very
plausible
situation. Many Catholic "experts" believe that since the largest
populations
of Catholics are from Latin American, there is a strong possiblity for a
Spanish [speaking] Cardinal to win the nomination. And these same
"experts"
all have potential lists which contain Latin American Cardinals.
However, there is one current French Cardinal which could fit both
criteria.
Cardinal Lustiger of Paris was a Jewish convert who hid in Benedictine
monestaries durning WWII. The Benedictine's symbol is the Olive Branch.
Some people also believe the 3rd "Secret" from Fátima has yet to be
fulfilled.
Fátima is a little town in Portugal, where the Virgin Mary appeared to 3
children back in the 1913-14. She told the children 3 future events, 2 of
which were told at the time of the vision; but She warned them to keep the
third secret until the right time (She had Lucinda write them down then
seal
the envelop and give it to the local bishop to pass on to the Pope). It
was
supposed to be released in the 1960s, but the sole survivor Lucinda said
she
was informed to wait [It is said when Pope Paul VI read the prophecy, he
wept
for a few days]. On the 50th Anniversary of Fátima, Pope John Paul II had
Lucinda read the last "secret" at the Beatification of her cousins (the
fellow
visionaries).
Many believe it described the assassination [attempt] of Pope John Paul
II.
When an arab tried to kill him on the Oct. 13 (the anniversary of the
Fátima
visions) the only reason he wasn't killed was due to him kneeling down to
kiss
an image of Our Lady of Fátima at the very instant the bullet was fired.
After
this, John Paul always had a very deep devotion (for obvious reasons) to
the
Queen of the Rosary (Mary's title from Fátima).
This secret says a "bishop in white" will be ambushed by arabs while
fleeing
Rome then killed while kneeling to help a wounded man.
A lot of the faithful believe that since the other 2 Prophecies from
Fátima
were very specific (1 - that Germany would rise up 2x to lose a war & 2 -
Russia would convert to communism and "spread her errors" around the
world),
the fact that John Paul II wasn't ambushed as described in the vision
sugguests
a future Pope is to suffer this fate.
Oh, the last Pope on on Malachy's list (#112) is "Petrus Romanus" or
"Peter the
Roman" No other pope has ever used the name "Peter" -- so it's believed
the
last Pope would take that title. It is also believed he will either 1)
bring
the Papacy back to Rome after its exile (per Nostradamus's quatrains) or
2)
born in Rome.
Not that I totally believe in all this, but this is a very likely scenerio
I
have formulated from my studies of Nostradamus & Catholic mysticism. Each
mystic tradition is like a puzzle piece -- and it's not until you place
all the
pieces together you can see the full panoramic view.
JohnnyDiva
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