Peter Lemesurier a écrit:
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:08:02 +0100, Peter Lemesurier
<lemesur@bengalwipeyethisoutvillas.demon.co.uk> either wrote or (if so
marked) quoted:
On 14 Oct 2003 04:45:27 -0700, (Leigh_Bee)
either wrote or (if so marked) quoted:
Only AFTER they had been published did I discover that that was
precisely the scenario outlined in the Mirabilis Liber, which had
clearly been his major source -- and which it looks as if you haven't
even bothered to look at yet.
Similarities did Nostradamus really flog the Mirablis Liber or was he
telling a similar story with more detail?
He never mentioned it -- but the latter seems to be very much the
case.
Though I should add that he never mentioned *Savonarola* either --
notwithstanding the fact that (as Mario's research has recently
revealed) he borrowed no less than 23 (twenty-three!) passages from
him in his Preface to Cesar alone, almost certainly from the reprint
of Savonarola's 'Compendium Revelationum' that is included... in the
Mirabilis Liber!
...Which, incidentally, would be rather remarkable if they were also
Nostradamian 'anagrams' for the destruction of Paris in 2017, wouldn't
it?! [Oh, I get it... Nostradamus must have written Savonarola as
well!! ;) ]
Strange. I thought that Mario demonstrated that none of these was exactly the
same... But who is going to check, hey Peter.
J.
--
Peter
http://www.nostradamus500.com
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14 Oct 2003 07:26:23 PM |
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On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:16:10 GMT, Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net>
wrote about what
*
Peter Lemesurier a écrit:
*
Though I should add that he never mentioned *Savonarola* either --
notwithstanding the fact that (as Mario's research has recently
revealed) he borrowed no less than 23 (twenty-three!) passages from
him in his Preface to Cesar alone, almost certainly from the reprint
of Savonarola's 'Compendium Revelationum' that is included... in the
Mirabilis Liber!
...Which, incidentally, would be rather remarkable if they were also
Nostradamian 'anagrams' for the destruction of Paris in 2017, wouldn't
it?! [Oh, I get it... Nostradamus must have written Savonarola as
well!! ;) ]
Strange. I thought that Mario demonstrated that none of these was exactly
the same... But who is going to check, hey Peter.
J.
*
Not only that, but the books which contain these texts are
themselves different from one copy of the same edition to
another.
*
If you can imagine Nostradamus' printers fooling around with the
text while the books were being printed (as is evidenced by the
two different copies of the Bonhomme 1555 edition, the one in
Albi, the other in Vienna), it becomes quite obvious that these
two books could not have been printed on the same day, and yet
they bear the same date of printing, May 4, 1555; not to mention
the November 3, 1557, Du Rosne edition which served as a model
for the September 6, 1557, Du Rosne edition, thereby showing
beyond the shadow of a doubt that these printing dates are highly
fictitious, as it is impossible for a November book to be used as
a model for a September book of the same year.
*
And the cherry on top of that cake is the so-called 1568 Benoist
Rigaud edition, whose second 'front page' does not even bear a
date, a book which does not bear a precise date of printing
(contrary to the three other original editions), and which also
has its own many printing variations.
*
All in all, a hornet's nest for anyone attempting to make sense
of that nonsense, unless one finally realizes that the whole
bloody thing is encyphered, these phoney dates being part of the
encyphered text, which in turn would explain why they make
absolutely no sense at all.
*
Even assuming the Lemesurier theory (plagiarized from Benazra)
that the November 1557 edition is pirated, it would then follow
that his 'legitimate' September 1557 edition copied exactly in
some cases some of the peculiarities of that 'pirated' November
edition, another piece of Brittish nonsense.
*
That British author having absolutely no clue as to why the texts
lifted by Nostradamus from other well-known authors were changed
by Nostradamus (he needed to make these changes to encypher his
texts), he now has to explain why the 'Legis Cantio' in the
September 1557 edition has "attrestato", whereas the most often
quoted Rigaud copy has "attrectato", and whereas the Rigaud copy
recently placed by Mario on his website has... "attrestato" yet
again!
*
And the pompous ***** pretends to be able to distinguish amongst
the four original editions *which* is superior to the others!
*
They all are equal in the eyes of Nostradamus, but are all...
different! And they all serve a purpose.
*
Happy 500th, Nosty!
*
Claude Latrémouille
*
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14 Oct 2003 07:52:47 PM |
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Claude Latremouille a écrit:
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:16:10 GMT, Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net>
wrote about what
*
Peter Lemesurier a écrit:
*
Though I should add that he never mentioned *Savonarola* either --
notwithstanding the fact that (as Mario's research has recently
revealed) he borrowed no less than 23 (twenty-three!) passages from
him in his Preface to Cesar alone, almost certainly from the reprint
of Savonarola's 'Compendium Revelationum' that is included... in the
Mirabilis Liber!
...Which, incidentally, would be rather remarkable if they were also
Nostradamian 'anagrams' for the destruction of Paris in 2017, wouldn't
it?! [Oh, I get it... Nostradamus must have written Savonarola as
well!! ;) ]
Strange. I thought that Mario demonstrated that none of these was exactly
the same... But who is going to check, hey Peter.
J.
Peter and I are talking about the biblical quotes used by Nostradamus, Claude,
not the differences between editions of the Centuries. Savonarola.
J.
*
Not only that, but the books which contain these texts are
themselves different from one copy of the same edition to
another.
*
If you can imagine Nostradamus' printers fooling around with the
text while the books were being printed (as is evidenced by the
two different copies of the Bonhomme 1555 edition, the one in
Albi, the other in Vienna), it becomes quite obvious that these
two books could not have been printed on the same day, and yet
they bear the same date of printing, May 4, 1555; not to mention
the November 3, 1557, Du Rosne edition which served as a model
for the September 6, 1557, Du Rosne edition, thereby showing
beyond the shadow of a doubt that these printing dates are highly
fictitious, as it is impossible for a November book to be used as
a model for a September book of the same year.
*
And the cherry on top of that cake is the so-called 1568 Benoist
Rigaud edition, whose second 'front page' does not even bear a
date, a book which does not bear a precise date of printing
(contrary to the three other original editions), and which also
has its own many printing variations.
*
All in all, a hornet's nest for anyone attempting to make sense
of that nonsense, unless one finally realizes that the whole
bloody thing is encyphered, these phoney dates being part of the
encyphered text, which in turn would explain why they make
absolutely no sense at all.
*
Even assuming the Lemesurier theory (plagiarized from Benazra)
that the November 1557 edition is pirated, it would then follow
that his 'legitimate' September 1557 edition copied exactly in
some cases some of the peculiarities of that 'pirated' November
edition, another piece of Brittish nonsense.
*
That British author having absolutely no clue as to why the texts
lifted by Nostradamus from other well-known authors were changed
by Nostradamus (he needed to make these changes to encypher his
texts), he now has to explain why the 'Legis Cantio' in the
September 1557 edition has "attrestato", whereas the most often
quoted Rigaud copy has "attrectato", and whereas the Rigaud copy
recently placed by Mario on his website has... "attrestato" yet
again!
*
And the pompous ***** pretends to be able to distinguish amongst
the four original editions *which* is superior to the others!
*
They all are equal in the eyes of Nostradamus, but are all...
different! And they all serve a purpose.
*
Happy 500th, Nosty!
*
Claude Latrémouille
*
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14 Oct 2003 09:41:32 PM |
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On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:52:47 GMT, Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net>
wrote about what
*
Peter Lemesurier a écrit:
*
Though I should add that he never mentioned *Savonarola* either --
notwithstanding the fact that (as Mario's research has recently
revealed) he borrowed no less than 23 (twenty-three!) passages from
him in his Preface to Cesar alone, almost certainly from the reprint
of Savonarola's 'Compendium Revelationum' that is included... in the
Mirabilis Liber!
...Which, incidentally, would be rather remarkable if they were also
Nostradamian 'anagrams' for the destruction of Paris in 2017, wouldn't
it?! [Oh, I get it... Nostradamus must have written Savonarola as
well!! ;) ]
Strange. I thought that Mario demonstrated that none of these was exactly
the same... But who is going to check, hey Peter.
J.
Peter and I are talking about the biblical quotes used by Nostradamus,
Claude, not the differences between editions of the Centuries. Savonarola.
J.
*
First, Peter isn't talking to you anymore because, like anybody
who might have had the misfortune of discussing anything with you
over the past five years, he has known this to be a hopeless
undertaking.
*
Second, I know perfectly well that Peter has painted himself into
yet another corner: He has to admit (because Mario has shown it)
that Nostradamus did lift many quotes from many sources, while at
the same time having to explain *why* Nostradamus did not take
these quotes and print them *as is*.
*
Having denied that Nostradamus encyphered his texts using these
very quotes, he is left with egg on his face, as he knows full
well that Nostradamus' quotes are different from the ones found
in the books he found them in, something consistent with the
encyphering by Nostradamus of his texts, as the quotes he is
using do not 'fit' the text he is attempting to encypher. So, he
had to change them to make them fit. And he did.
*
What was Nostradamus attempting to encypher? His prophecy about
the unintended destruction of Paris on Sunday, August 13, 2017,
at 3:53 a.m., a prophecy decyphered in 1998 and published in the
beautiful city of Toronto, far from dear France, in the year One
Thousand Nine Hundred and Ninety Nine! :-)
*
Happy 500th, Nosty!
*
Claude Latrémouille
*
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=== CLAUDE LATRÉMOUILLE ===
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C L A U D E L A T R E M O U I L L E
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16 Oct 2003 11:30:15 AM |
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Claude Latremouille a écrit:
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:52:47 GMT, Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net>
wrote about what
*
Peter Lemesurier a écrit:
*
Though I should add that he never mentioned *Savonarola* either --
notwithstanding the fact that (as Mario's research has recently
revealed) he borrowed no less than 23 (twenty-three!) passages from
him in his Preface to Cesar alone, almost certainly from the reprint
of Savonarola's 'Compendium Revelationum' that is included... in the
Mirabilis Liber!
...Which, incidentally, would be rather remarkable if they were also
Nostradamian 'anagrams' for the destruction of Paris in 2017, wouldn't
it?! [Oh, I get it... Nostradamus must have written Savonarola as
well!! ;) ]
Strange. I thought that Mario demonstrated that none of these was exactly
the same... But who is going to check, hey Peter.
J.
Peter and I are talking about the biblical quotes used by Nostradamus,
Claude, not the differences between editions of the Centuries. Savonarola.
J.
*
First, Peter isn't talking to you anymore because, like anybody
who might have had the misfortune of discussing anything with you
over the past five years, he has known this to be a hopeless
undertaking.
He is like you, can only discuss with those that he can bamboozle. He can't
admit it when he is debunked.
If you mean it is the same with all the anti-Semite, anti-American people here,
who have no clue about the Seer but are debunked anyway and react like you, sure.
But there are others.
*
Second, I know perfectly well that Peter has painted himself into
yet another corner: He has to admit (because Mario has shown it)
Ha you knew. Good.
that Nostradamus did lift many quotes from many sources, while at
the same time having to explain *why* Nostradamus did not take
these quotes and print them *as is*.
Obviously knew the bible by heart having studied it continually and quoted these
from memory (as he wasn't going to go back to the Scriptures each time to verify
the accurateness of the exact wording of his quotes which he was sure anyone
could figure out, especially that in those days the available bibles with
comprehensive numbering were scarce as there was only one very recent edition
then which he didn't have IMO).
*
Having denied that Nostradamus encyphered his texts using these
very quotes, he is left with egg on his face, as he knows full
This explanation is only held by you Claude.
J.
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16 Oct 2003 10:08:29 PM |
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Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message news:<rIzjb.6165569$mA4.877229@news.easynews.com>...
Claude Latremouille a écrit:
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:52:47 GMT, Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net>
wrote about what
*
Peter Lemesurier a écrit:
almost certainly from the reprint
of Savonarola's 'Compendium Revelationum' that is included... in the
Mirabilis Liber!
*
Though I should add that he never mentioned *Savonarola* either --
notwithstanding the fact that (as Mario's research has recently
revealed) he borrowed no less than 23 (twenty-three!) passages from
him in his Preface to Cesar alone,
...Which, incidentally, would be rather remarkable if they were also
Nostradamian 'anagrams' for the destruction of Paris in 2017, wouldn't
it?! [Oh, I get it... Nostradamus must have written Savonarola as
well!! ;) ]
Strange. I thought that Mario demonstrated that none of these was exactly
the same... But who is going to check, hey Peter.
J.
Peter and I are talking about the biblical quotes used by Nostradamus,
Claude, not the differences between editions of the Centuries. Savonarola.
J.
*
First, Peter isn't talking to you anymore because, like anybody
who might have had the misfortune of discussing anything with you
over the past five years, he has known this to be a hopeless
undertaking.
He is like you, can only discuss with those that he can bamboozle. He can't
admit it when he is debunked.
If you mean it is the same with all the anti-Semite, anti-American people here,
who have no clue about the Seer but are debunked anyway and react like you, sure.
But there are others.
*
Second, I know perfectly well that Peter has painted himself into
yet another corner: He has to admit (because Mario has shown it)
Ha you knew. Good.
that Nostradamus did lift many quotes from many sources, while at
the same time having to explain *why* Nostradamus did not take
these quotes and print them *as is*.
Obviously knew the bible by heart having studied it continually and quoted these
from memory
non, Il a écrirait.
As far as my investigation goes Bible was available to many in the
time of the renaissance period Nostradamus was living in and he would
have access to them. The papers and books and material he had burnt
were probably self copied sections of the Bible he got from Italy or
elsewhere.
My investigation goes to 1200s in Provence France where
Pre-Protestants had translated the Bible and circulated copies.
Although they were harassed by the Churches claws they manage to get
some people who could read Latin the material in the text ( Bible).
This was again 1200s. Documented. My history Professor gave me the
evidence of this and I'm putting to gether the info. As I'm attending
class full time it is hard for extra curricular activities.
(as he wasn't going to go back to the Scriptures each time to verify
the accurateness of the exact wording of his quotes which he was sure anyone
could figure out, especially that in those days the available bibles with
comprehensive numbering were scarce as there was only one very recent edition
then which he didn't have IMO).
*
Having denied that Nostradamus encyphered his texts using these
very quotes, he is left with egg on his face, as he knows full
This explanation is only held by you Claude.
J.
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17 Oct 2003 11:36:01 AM |
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Michael Johnathan McDonald a écrit:
Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message news:<rIzjb.6165569$mA4.877229@news.easynews.com>...
Claude Latremouille a écrit:
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:52:47 GMT, Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net>
wrote about what
*
Peter Lemesurier a écrit:
almost certainly from the reprint
of Savonarola's 'Compendium Revelationum' that is included... in the
Mirabilis Liber!
*
Though I should add that he never mentioned *Savonarola* either --
notwithstanding the fact that (as Mario's research has recently
revealed) he borrowed no less than 23 (twenty-three!) passages from
him in his Preface to Cesar alone,
...Which, incidentally, would be rather remarkable if they were also
Nostradamian 'anagrams' for the destruction of Paris in 2017, wouldn't
it?! [Oh, I get it... Nostradamus must have written Savonarola as
well!! ;) ]
Strange. I thought that Mario demonstrated that none of these was exactly
the same... But who is going to check, hey Peter.
J.
Peter and I are talking about the biblical quotes used by Nostradamus,
Claude, not the differences between editions of the Centuries. Savonarola.
J.
*
First, Peter isn't talking to you anymore because, like anybody
who might have had the misfortune of discussing anything with you
over the past five years, he has known this to be a hopeless
undertaking.
He is like you, can only discuss with those that he can bamboozle. He can't
admit it when he is debunked.
If you mean it is the same with all the anti-Semite, anti-American people here,
who have no clue about the Seer but are debunked anyway and react like you, sure.
But there are others.
*
Second, I know perfectly well that Peter has painted himself into
yet another corner: He has to admit (because Mario has shown it)
Ha you knew. Good.
that Nostradamus did lift many quotes from many sources, while at
the same time having to explain *why* Nostradamus did not take
these quotes and print them *as is*.
Obviously knew the bible by heart having studied it continually and quoted these
from memory
non, Il a écrirait.
As far as my investigation goes Bible was available to many in the
time of the renaissance period Nostradamus was living in and he would
have access to them. The papers and books and material he had burnt
were probably self copied sections of the Bible he got from Italy or
elsewhere.
Nope, he says it himself, those books were related to foreign astrological
doctrines, probably arabic.
http://www.michelnostradamus.org/cesar_e.html#e29
"And although this occult philosophy is not outcast, I have not wanted to
elaborate on its tremendous power of persuasion, even though many revealing
books, hidden during long centuries, have fallen into my hands. But fearing what
would become, after the reading, I offered them as a present to Vulcan, and
while he was devouring them, the flame licking them, the air took an unwonted
brightness, brighter than the normal flame, like the light of the flashing
thunder lighting suddenly the house, as if it had been at the center of a
conflagration."
My investigation goes to 1200s in Provence France where
Pre-Protestants had translated the Bible and circulated copies.
Although they were harassed by the Churches claws they manage to get
some people who could read Latin the material in the text ( Bible).
This was again 1200s. Documented. My history Professor gave me the
evidence of this and I'm putting to gether the info. As I'm attending
class full time it is hard for extra curricular activities.
Geez! You will get nowhere with that theory. Nostradamus was a full time totally
devoted Catholic. Get that in your head.
Don't try to identify with him just becaue you didn't get A Catholic education.
J.
(as he wasn't going to go back to the Scriptures each time to verify
the accurateness of the exact wording of his quotes which he was sure anyone
could figure out, especially that in those days the available bibles with
comprehensive numbering were scarce as there was only one very recent edition
then which he didn't have IMO).
*
Having denied that Nostradamus encyphered his texts using these
very quotes, he is left with egg on his face, as he knows full
This explanation is only held by you Claude.
J.
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17 Oct 2003 04:54:29 PM |
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Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message news:<RTUjb.6241729$cI2.885560@news.easynews.com>...
Michael Johnathan McDonald a écrit:
Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message news:<rIzjb.6165569$mA4.877229@news.easynews.com>...
Claude Latremouille a écrit:
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:52:47 GMT, Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net>
wrote about what
*
Peter Lemesurier a écrit:
almost certainly from the reprint
of Savonarola's 'Compendium Revelationum' that is included... in the
Mirabilis Liber!
*
Though I should add that he never mentioned *Savonarola* either --
notwithstanding the fact that (as Mario's research has recently
revealed) he borrowed no less than 23 (twenty-three!) passages from
him in his Preface to Cesar alone,
...Which, incidentally, would be rather remarkable if they were also
Nostradamian 'anagrams' for the destruction of Paris in 2017, wouldn't
it?! [Oh, I get it... Nostradamus must have written Savonarola as
well!! ;) ]
Strange. I thought that Mario demonstrated that none of these was exactly
the same... But who is going to check, hey Peter.
J.
Peter and I are talking about the biblical quotes used by Nostradamus,
Claude, not the differences between editions of the Centuries. Savonarola.
J.
*
First, Peter isn't talking to you anymore because, like anybody
who might have had the misfortune of discussing anything with you
over the past five years, he has known this to be a hopeless
undertaking.
He is like you, can only discuss with those that he can bamboozle. He can't
admit it when he is debunked.
If you mean it is the same with all the anti-Semite, anti-American people here,
who have no clue about the Seer but are debunked anyway and react like you, sure.
But there are others.
*
Second, I know perfectly well that Peter has painted himself into
yet another corner: He has to admit (because Mario has shown it)
Ha you knew. Good.
that Nostradamus did lift many quotes from many sources, while at
the same time having to explain *why* Nostradamus did not take
these quotes and print them *as is*.
Obviously knew the bible by heart having studied it continually and quoted these
from memory
non, Il a écrirait.
As far as my investigation goes Bible was available to many in the
time of the renaissance period Nostradamus was living in and he would
have access to them. The papers and books and material he had burnt
were probably self copied sections of the Bible he got from Italy or
elsewhere.
Nope, he says it himself, those books were related to foreign astrological
doctrines, probably arabic.
http://www.michelnostradamus.org/cesar_e.html#e29
"And although this occult philosophy is not outcast, I have not wanted to
elaborate on its tremendous power of persuasion, even though many revealing
books, hidden during long centuries, have fallen into my hands. But fearing what
would become, after the reading, I offered them as a present to Vulcan, and
while he was devouring them, the flame licking them, the air took an unwonted
brightness, brighter than the normal flame, like the light of the flashing
thunder lighting suddenly the house, as if it had been at the center of a
conflagration."
Mais Qui.
My investigation goes to 1200s in Provence France where
Pre-Protestants had translated the Bible and circulated copies.
Although they were harassed by the Churches claws they manage to get
some people who could read Latin the material in the text ( Bible).
This was again 1200s. Documented. My history Professor gave me the
evidence of this and I'm putting to gether the info. As I'm attending
class full time it is hard for extra curricular activities.
Geez! You will get nowhere with that theory.
It is not a theory!
Nostradamus was a full time totally
devoted Catholic.
Non, He was Candide. (Volteric - without the exaggeration)
Although he loved religion, in the pure spiritual form, he detested (
Il Deteste)the politics of destruction. At that time the Church was
loosing power, mais still influenced the political spectrum of all of
Europe.
Get that in your head.
Don't try to identify with him just becaue you didn't get A Catholic education.
What you mean Jean is that you are Catholic, and therefore Nostradamus
must identify with you.
Do not give me Chavigny notes: I seen him change texts before
(Possibly for safty reasons).
If he contributed to the Catholic coffers, he did it to help humanity
- not their politics.
J.
(as he wasn't going to go back to the Scriptures each time to verify
the accurateness of the exact wording of his quotes which he was sure anyone
could figure out, especially that in those days the available bibles with
comprehensive numbering were scarce as there was only one very recent edition
then which he didn't have IMO).
*
Having denied that Nostradamus encyphered his texts using these
very quotes, he is left with egg on his face, as he knows full
This explanation is only held by you Claude.
J.
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| Title: Re: Nostradamus's prophecies on the black pope? |
18 Oct 2003 12:14:46 PM |
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Bah, keep your delusions if you wish. So many have theirs.
J.
Michael Johnathan McDonald a écrit:
Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message news:<RTUjb.6241729$cI2.885560@news.easynews.com>...
Michael Johnathan McDonald a écrit:
Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message news:<rIzjb.6165569$mA4.877229@news.easynews.com>...
Claude Latremouille a écrit:
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:52:47 GMT, Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net>
wrote about what
*
Peter Lemesurier a écrit:
almost certainly from the reprint
of Savonarola's 'Compendium Revelationum' that is included... in the
Mirabilis Liber!
*
Though I should add that he never mentioned *Savonarola* either --
notwithstanding the fact that (as Mario's research has recently
revealed) he borrowed no less than 23 (twenty-three!) passages from
him in his Preface to Cesar alone,
...Which, incidentally, would be rather remarkable if they were also
Nostradamian 'anagrams' for the destruction of Paris in 2017, wouldn't
it?! [Oh, I get it... Nostradamus must have written Savonarola as
well!! ;) ]
Strange. I thought that Mario demonstrated that none of these was exactly
the same... But who is going to check, hey Peter.
J.
Peter and I are talking about the biblical quotes used by Nostradamus,
Claude, not the differences between editions of the Centuries. Savonarola.
J.
*
First, Peter isn't talking to you anymore because, like anybody
who might have had the misfortune of discussing anything with you
over the past five years, he has known this to be a hopeless
undertaking.
He is like you, can only discuss with those that he can bamboozle. He can't
admit it when he is debunked.
If you mean it is the same with all the anti-Semite, anti-American people here,
who have no clue about the Seer but are debunked anyway and react like you, sure.
But there are others.
*
Second, I know perfectly well that Peter has painted himself into
yet another corner: He has to admit (because Mario has shown it)
Ha you knew. Good.
that Nostradamus did lift many quotes from many sources, while at
the same time having to explain *why* Nostradamus did not take
these quotes and print them *as is*.
Obviously knew the bible by heart having studied it continually and quoted these
from memory
non, Il a écrirait.
As far as my investigation goes Bible was available to many in the
time of the renaissance period Nostradamus was living in and he would
have access to them. The papers and books and material he had burnt
were probably self copied sections of the Bible he got from Italy or
elsewhere.
Nope, he says it himself, those books were related to foreign astrological
doctrines, probably arabic.
http://www.michelnostradamus.org/cesar_e.html#e29
"And although this occult philosophy is not outcast, I have not wanted to
elaborate on its tremendous power of persuasion, even though many revealing
books, hidden during long centuries, have fallen into my hands. But fearing what
would become, after the reading, I offered them as a present to Vulcan, and
while he was devouring them, the flame licking them, the air took an unwonted
brightness, brighter than the normal flame, like the light of the flashing
thunder lighting suddenly the house, as if it had been at the center of a
conflagration."
Mais Qui.
My investigation goes to 1200s in Provence France where
Pre-Protestants had translated the Bible and circulated copies.
Although they were harassed by the Churches claws they manage to get
some people who could read Latin the material in the text ( Bible).
This was again 1200s. Documented. My history Professor gave me the
evidence of this and I'm putting to gether the info. As I'm attending
class full time it is hard for extra curricular activities.
Geez! You will get nowhere with that theory.
It is not a theory!
Nostradamus was a full time totally
devoted Catholic.
Non, He was Candide. (Volteric - without the exaggeration)
Although he loved religion, in the pure spiritual form, he detested (
Il Deteste)the politics of destruction. At that time the Church was
loosing power, mais still influenced the political spectrum of all of
Europe.
Get that in your head.
Don't try to identify with him just becaue you didn't get A Catholic education.
What you mean Jean is that you are Catholic, and therefore Nostradamus
must identify with you.
Do not give me Chavigny notes: I seen him change texts before
(Possibly for safty reasons).
If he contributed to the Catholic coffers, he did it to help humanity
- not their politics.
J.
(as he wasn't going to go back to the Scriptures each time to verify
the accurateness of the exact wording of his quotes which he was sure anyone
could figure out, especially that in those days the available bibles with
comprehensive numbering were scarce as there was only one very recent edition
then which he didn't have IMO).
*
Having denied that Nostradamus encyphered his texts using these
very quotes, he is left with egg on his face, as he knows full
This explanation is only held by you Claude.
J.
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