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"Marvin The Paranoid Android" |
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29 Sep 2006 09:31:46 AM |
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Re: OH MY GOSH! -- Retired Officers To Criticize Rumsfeld |
Steven Douglas wrote:
John Lemke wrote:
Ronald Reagan introduced Cut and Run as an example to Muslims after the
Marine barracks bombing in Beirut in October 1983. The subsequent
precipitous withdrawal of American troops from Lebanon taught the Muslim
world a lesson they've been employing with growing skill and determination.
It's a method used by people that see themselves as freedom fighters trying
to remove invading infidels from their lands.
Just curious -- did you favor keeping the Marines in Lebanon after the
barracks bombing in 1983? Did you, at the time, think it was a mistake
for Reagan to pull them out of there? Were you, at the time, unhappy
with Reagan for pulling them out of there?
I suppose the real question is this -- Did you favour the marines going
IN to Lebanon? If they never went in, they'd never pull out.
Sticking one's nose where it doesn't belong can often bring unpleasant
results, as in Iraq.
Still trying to find a credible Democratic plan of any sort. What is
your plan?
Phased withdrawal. A recent poll shows a definite majority of Iraqi's
want U.S. troops out of their country. As I mentioned above, sticking
your nose where it doesn't belong ...
Cheers!
-- Marvie
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| User: "John Lemke" |
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| Title: Re: OH MY GOSH! -- Retired Officers To Criticize Rumsfeld |
29 Sep 2006 04:54:22 PM |
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"Marvin The Paranoid Android" <marvinparanoidandroid@hotmail.com> wrote in
message news:1159540306.247203.52370@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
Phased withdrawal. A recent poll shows a definite majority of Iraqi's
want U.S. troops out of their country. As I mentioned above, sticking
your nose where it doesn't belong ...
Cheers!
-- Marvie
It's out of our hands and in the hands of the Iraqis. The American war in
Iraq is lost.
It's now a civil war and it's either going to end with a Shiite military
victory or a stalemate and partition.
We'll be leaving there with our tails between our legs because some dumbass
lead us in there. Phased withdrawal, balls out evacuation, or what? Let's
hope the neocons are more adept at cutting and running than they were at
handling an invasion.
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: OH MY GOSH! -- Retired Officers To Criticize Rumsfeld |
29 Sep 2006 09:47:45 AM |
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Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
John Lemke wrote:
Ronald Reagan introduced Cut and Run as an example to Muslims after the
Marine barracks bombing in Beirut in October 1983. The subsequent
precipitous withdrawal of American troops from Lebanon taught the Muslim
world a lesson they've been employing with growing skill and determination.
It's a method used by people that see themselves as freedom fighters trying
to remove invading infidels from their lands.
Just curious -- did you favor keeping the Marines in Lebanon after the
barracks bombing in 1983? Did you, at the time, think it was a mistake
for Reagan to pull them out of there? Were you, at the time, unhappy
with Reagan for pulling them out of there?
I suppose the real question is this -- Did you favour the marines going
IN to Lebanon? If they never went in, they'd never pull out.
It was a muti-national peacekeeping force. Yes, at the time I thought
it was a good idea, just as I thought sending peacekeeping forces for
the Bosnia and Kosovo conflicts were good ideas. Did you not think
those peacekeeping forces were good ideas?
Sticking one's nose where it doesn't belong can often bring unpleasant
results, as in Iraq.
I see. So we probably shouldn't have gotten involved in World War II
then either, should we? After all, a lot of guys got killed in that
war. On D-Day alone, 3000 Americans were killed -- just in one day. And
then there was the Battle of the Bulge, in which 16,000 Americans were
killed in six weeks. With today's media and today's Democrats, all we'd
have been hearing is that we need to get out of there because it's just
not worth it.
Still trying to find a credible Democratic plan of any sort. What is
your plan?
Phased withdrawal. A recent poll shows a definite majority of Iraqi's
want U.S. troops out of their country.
Yes, didn't you say they want us out of there "now?" Could you please
cite the poll that says they want us out of there now? If that's true,
and the Iraqi government changes its mind and says it wants us out of
there "now," I'll favor respecting their decision.
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| User: "Charly the Bastard" |
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| Title: Re: OH MY GOSH! -- Retired Officers To Criticize Rumsfeld |
29 Sep 2006 11:36:11 AM |
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Steven Douglas wrote:
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
John Lemke wrote:
Ronald Reagan introduced Cut and Run as an example to Muslims after the
Marine barracks bombing in Beirut in October 1983. The subsequent
precipitous withdrawal of American troops from Lebanon taught the Muslim
world a lesson they've been employing with growing skill and determination.
It's a method used by people that see themselves as freedom fighters trying
to remove invading infidels from their lands.
Just curious -- did you favor keeping the Marines in Lebanon after the
barracks bombing in 1983? Did you, at the time, think it was a mistake
for Reagan to pull them out of there? Were you, at the time, unhappy
with Reagan for pulling them out of there?
I suppose the real question is this -- Did you favour the marines going
IN to Lebanon? If they never went in, they'd never pull out.
It was a muti-national peacekeeping force. Yes, at the time I thought
it was a good idea, just as I thought sending peacekeeping forces for
the Bosnia and Kosovo conflicts were good ideas. Did you not think
those peacekeeping forces were good ideas?
Sticking one's nose where it doesn't belong can often bring unpleasant
results, as in Iraq.
I see. So we probably shouldn't have gotten involved in World War II
then either, should we? After all, a lot of guys got killed in that
war. On D-Day alone, 3000 Americans were killed -- just in one day. And
then there was the Battle of the Bulge, in which 16,000 Americans were
killed in six weeks. With today's media and today's Democrats, all we'd
have been hearing is that we need to get out of there because it's just
not worth it.
Still trying to find a credible Democratic plan of any sort. What is
your plan?
Phased withdrawal. A recent poll shows a definite majority of Iraqi's
want U.S. troops out of their country.
Yes, didn't you say they want us out of there "now?" Could you please
cite the poll that says they want us out of there now? If that's true,
and the Iraqi government changes its mind and says it wants us out of
there "now," I'll favor respecting their decision.
It was on Lou Dobbs last night. The majority of Iraqis want us gone, and right now.
There are other news outlets besides Faux Nooz, you might want to try one sometime.
Charly
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| User: "John Lemke" |
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| Title: Re: OH MY GOSH! -- Retired Officers To Criticize Rumsfeld |
29 Sep 2006 04:25:33 PM |
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"Charly the *****" <nitecrawler7@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:451D4B76.97093D11@worldnet.att.net...
It was on Lou Dobbs last night. The majority of Iraqis want us gone, and
right now.
There are other news outlets besides Faux Nooz, you might want to try one
sometime.
Charly
If they want us gone they want us gone. Seeing how the Republicans have
taken the lead in the Arab world in terms of "Cut and Run" I'd say we're in
pretty good hands.
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| User: "Perseid" |
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| Title: Re: OH MY GOSH! -- Retired Officers To Criticize Rumsfeld |
29 Sep 2006 07:29:09 PM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "John Lemke"
<jflemke@locallink.net> Spat the Words
"Charly the *****" <nitecrawler7@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:451D4B76.97093D11@worldnet.att.net...
It was on Lou Dobbs last night. The majority of Iraqis want us gone,
and right now.
There are other news outlets besides Faux Nooz, you might want to try
one sometime.
Charly
If they want us gone they want us gone. Seeing how the Republicans have
taken the lead in the Arab world in terms of "Cut and Run" I'd say we're
in pretty good hands.
Stephen himself has said many times that once Iraqis decide they want
us gone, then we'll leave. Since their gov't is democratically
elected, the peoples' will automatically translates into the
gov't asking us to leave. I'd say we should have the boys and
girls home by Turkey-Day.
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| User: "John Lemke" |
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| Title: Re: OH MY GOSH! -- Retired Officers To Criticize Rumsfeld |
30 Sep 2006 06:51:46 PM |
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"Perseid" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns984DBC0CD6A75rrfkwrantispamattbic@216.196.97.136...
Stephen himself has said many times that once Iraqis decide they want
us gone, then we'll leave. Since their gov't is democratically
elected, the peoples' will automatically translates into the
gov't asking us to leave. I'd say we should have the boys and
girls home by Turkey-Day.
I think that's a spectacular goal. I'm certain we're going to be asked to
leave but I don't think it's going to be the "democratically elected"
government in Iraq that's going to be asking us to leave.
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: OH MY GOSH! -- Retired Officers To Criticize Rumsfeld |
29 Sep 2006 12:43:38 PM |
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Charly the ***** wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
John Lemke wrote:
Ronald Reagan introduced Cut and Run as an example to Muslims after the
Marine barracks bombing in Beirut in October 1983. The subsequent
precipitous withdrawal of American troops from Lebanon taught the Muslim
world a lesson they've been employing with growing skill and determination.
It's a method used by people that see themselves as freedom fighters trying
to remove invading infidels from their lands.
Just curious -- did you favor keeping the Marines in Lebanon after the
barracks bombing in 1983? Did you, at the time, think it was a mistake
for Reagan to pull them out of there? Were you, at the time, unhappy
with Reagan for pulling them out of there?
I suppose the real question is this -- Did you favour the marines going
IN to Lebanon? If they never went in, they'd never pull out.
It was a muti-national peacekeeping force. Yes, at the time I thought
it was a good idea, just as I thought sending peacekeeping forces for
the Bosnia and Kosovo conflicts were good ideas. Did you not think
those peacekeeping forces were good ideas?
Sticking one's nose where it doesn't belong can often bring unpleasant
results, as in Iraq.
I see. So we probably shouldn't have gotten involved in World War II
then either, should we? After all, a lot of guys got killed in that
war. On D-Day alone, 3000 Americans were killed -- just in one day. And
then there was the Battle of the Bulge, in which 16,000 Americans were
killed in six weeks. With today's media and today's Democrats, all we'd
have been hearing is that we need to get out of there because it's just
not worth it.
Still trying to find a credible Democratic plan of any sort. What is
your plan?
Phased withdrawal. A recent poll shows a definite majority of Iraqi's
want U.S. troops out of their country.
Yes, didn't you say they want us out of there "now?" Could you please
cite the poll that says they want us out of there now? If that's true,
and the Iraqi government changes its mind and says it wants us out of
there "now," I'll favor respecting their decision.
It was on Lou Dobbs last night. The majority of Iraqis want us gone, and right now.
Then it shouldn't be too difficult for you to post a cite, and show
where it says a majority of the Iraqi people want us gone "right now."
There are other news outlets besides Faux Nooz, you might want to try one sometime.
Hmm, that's what I've heard -- about a million times. Have you ever
seen me use Fox News as a source? You may have seen me post articles as
sources, but they're usually the New York Times, or Washington Post, or
CNN, or BBC, or various other sources. I purposely avoid using Fox News
just so I won't get the false criticism you gave me anyway.
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| User: "Charly the Bastard" |
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| Title: Re: OH MY GOSH! -- Retired Officers To Criticize Rumsfeld |
30 Sep 2006 05:32:30 AM |
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Steven Douglas wrote:
Charly the ***** wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
John Lemke wrote:
Ronald Reagan introduced Cut and Run as an example to Muslims after the
Marine barracks bombing in Beirut in October 1983. The subsequent
precipitous withdrawal of American troops from Lebanon taught the Muslim
world a lesson they've been employing with growing skill and determination.
It's a method used by people that see themselves as freedom fighters trying
to remove invading infidels from their lands.
Just curious -- did you favor keeping the Marines in Lebanon after the
barracks bombing in 1983? Did you, at the time, think it was a mistake
for Reagan to pull them out of there? Were you, at the time, unhappy
with Reagan for pulling them out of there?
I suppose the real question is this -- Did you favour the marines going
IN to Lebanon? If they never went in, they'd never pull out.
It was a muti-national peacekeeping force. Yes, at the time I thought
it was a good idea, just as I thought sending peacekeeping forces for
the Bosnia and Kosovo conflicts were good ideas. Did you not think
those peacekeeping forces were good ideas?
Sticking one's nose where it doesn't belong can often bring unpleasant
results, as in Iraq.
I see. So we probably shouldn't have gotten involved in World War II
then either, should we? After all, a lot of guys got killed in that
war. On D-Day alone, 3000 Americans were killed -- just in one day. And
then there was the Battle of the Bulge, in which 16,000 Americans were
killed in six weeks. With today's media and today's Democrats, all we'd
have been hearing is that we need to get out of there because it's just
not worth it.
Still trying to find a credible Democratic plan of any sort. What is
your plan?
Phased withdrawal. A recent poll shows a definite majority of Iraqi's
want U.S. troops out of their country.
Yes, didn't you say they want us out of there "now?" Could you please
cite the poll that says they want us out of there now? If that's true,
and the Iraqi government changes its mind and says it wants us out of
there "now," I'll favor respecting their decision.
It was on Lou Dobbs last night. The majority of Iraqis want us gone, and right now.
Then it shouldn't be too difficult for you to post a cite, and show
where it says a majority of the Iraqi people want us gone "right now."
There are other news outlets besides Faux Nooz, you might want to try one sometime.
Hmm, that's what I've heard -- about a million times. Have you ever
seen me use Fox News as a source? You may have seen me post articles as
sources, but they're usually the New York Times, or Washington Post, or
CNN, or BBC, or various other sources. I purposely avoid using Fox News
just so I won't get the false criticism you gave me anyway.
The address is www.cnn.com/loudobbs. I really don't see the need to repost something
that was broadcast worldwide, just to satisfy you. Personally, I never use user-supplied
links; too many bad experiences with viruses, trojan horses, attempted ID theft, etc.
You're losing credibility Steve. The more you cite the Bush party line, the less I listen
to you. I'm not the least bit interested in what some lying politician has to say, and I
can tell that it's a lie... his lips move. Why don't you answer your own question and
tell me what you'd do in Iraq if you had the authority.
Charly
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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30 Sep 2006 02:15:54 PM |
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Charly the ***** wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Charly the ***** wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
John Lemke wrote:
Ronald Reagan introduced Cut and Run as an example to Muslims after the
Marine barracks bombing in Beirut in October 1983. The subsequent
precipitous withdrawal of American troops from Lebanon taught the Muslim
world a lesson they've been employing with growing skill and determination.
It's a method used by people that see themselves as freedom fighters trying
to remove invading infidels from their lands.
Just curious -- did you favor keeping the Marines in Lebanon after the
barracks bombing in 1983? Did you, at the time, think it was a mistake
for Reagan to pull them out of there? Were you, at the time, unhappy
with Reagan for pulling them out of there?
I suppose the real question is this -- Did you favour the marines going
IN to Lebanon? If they never went in, they'd never pull out.
It was a muti-national peacekeeping force. Yes, at the time I thought
it was a good idea, just as I thought sending peacekeeping forces for
the Bosnia and Kosovo conflicts were good ideas. Did you not think
those peacekeeping forces were good ideas?
Sticking one's nose where it doesn't belong can often bring unpleasant
results, as in Iraq.
I see. So we probably shouldn't have gotten involved in World War II
then either, should we? After all, a lot of guys got killed in that
war. On D-Day alone, 3000 Americans were killed -- just in one day. And
then there was the Battle of the Bulge, in which 16,000 Americans were
killed in six weeks. With today's media and today's Democrats, all we'd
have been hearing is that we need to get out of there because it's just
not worth it.
Still trying to find a credible Democratic plan of any sort. What is
your plan?
Phased withdrawal. A recent poll shows a definite majority of Iraqi's
want U.S. troops out of their country.
Yes, didn't you say they want us out of there "now?" Could you please
cite the poll that says they want us out of there now? If that's true,
and the Iraqi government changes its mind and says it wants us out of
there "now," I'll favor respecting their decision.
It was on Lou Dobbs last night. The majority of Iraqis want us gone, and right now.
Then it shouldn't be too difficult for you to post a cite, and show
where it says a majority of the Iraqi people want us gone "right now."
There are other news outlets besides Faux Nooz, you might want to try one sometime.
Hmm, that's what I've heard -- about a million times. Have you ever
seen me use Fox News as a source? You may have seen me post articles as
sources, but they're usually the New York Times, or Washington Post, or
CNN, or BBC, or various other sources. I purposely avoid using Fox News
just so I won't get the false criticism you gave me anyway.
The address is www.cnn.com/loudobbs. I really don't see the need to repost something
that was broadcast worldwide, just to satisfy you. Personally, I never use user-supplied
links; too many bad experiences with viruses, trojan horses, attempted ID theft, etc.
I already found the article in the Washington Post. Apparently it was a
poll conducted for the State Department, though they don't cite the
actual poll. Other polls show a percentage of Iraqis wanting us to
leave within the next six months, with an additional percentage who
want us to leave within a year; the total comprising a majority who
want us to leave sometime within the next year. So, as I've said
already, if the Iraqi government changes its current position and
decides it wants us to leave at some point, I'll favor respecting that
decision.
You're losing credibility Steve. The more you cite the Bush party line, the less I listen
to you. I'm not the least bit interested in what some lying politician has to say, and I
can tell that it's a lie... his lips move. Why don't you answer your own question and
tell me what you'd do in Iraq if you had the authority.
I'd do what's being done -- try to get the Iraqi government to stand up
and take over security. But with the election coming up, everyone
already knows what's already happening. The question for Democrats, who
want to take over Congress, is "What policy for Iraq will you implement
if you take over Congress?"
[quoting] The Big Question Democrats Are Ducking
By David Ignatius
Washington Post Op-ed Columnist
Wednesday, September 27, 2006
[excerpt] Here's a reality check for the Democrats: There is not a
single government in the Middle East, with the possible exceptions of
Iran and Syria, that favors a rapid U.S. pullout from Iraq. Why? The
consensus in the region is that a retreat now would have disastrous
consequences for America and its allies. Yet withdrawal is the Iraq
strategy you hear from most congressional Democrats, whether they call
it "strategic redeployment" or something else.
I wish Democrats (and Republicans, for that matter) were asking this
question: How do we prevent Iraq from becoming a failed state? Many
critics of the war would argue that the worst has already happened --
Iraq has unraveled. Unfortunately, as bad as things are, they could get
considerably worse. Following a rapid American pullout, Iraq could
descend into a full-blown civil war, with Sunni-Shiite violence
spreading throughout the region. In this chaos, oil supplies could be
threatened, sending prices well above $100 a barrel. Turkey, Iran and
Jordan would intervene to protect their interests. James Fallows titled
his collection of prescient essays warning about the Iraq war "Blind
Into Baghdad." We shouldn't compound the error by being "blind out of
Baghdad," too.
The Democrat who has tried hardest to think through these problems is
Sen. Joseph Biden. He argues that the current government of national
unity isn't succeeding in holding Iraq together and that America should
instead embrace a policy of "federalism plus" that will devolve power
to the Shiite, Sunni and Kurdish regions. Iraqis are already voting for
sectarian solutions, Biden argues, and America won't stabilize Iraq
unless it aligns its policy with this reality. I disagree with some of
the senator's conclusions, but he's asking the right question: How do
we fix Iraq?
America needs to reckon with the message of the National Intelligence
Estimate. Iraq has compounded Muslim rage and created a dangerous
crisis for the United States. The Democrats understandably want to
treat Iraq as George Bush's war and wash their hands of it. But the
damage of Iraq can be mitigated only if it again becomes the nation's
war -- with the whole country invested in finding a way out of the
morass that doesn't leave us permanently in greater peril. If the
Democrats could lead that kind of debate about security, they would
become the nation's governing party. But what you hear from most
Democrats these days is: Gotcha. [end quoting]
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/26/AR2006092601137.html
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| User: "Perseid" |
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| Title: Re: OH MY GOSH! -- Retired Officers To Criticize Rumsfeld |
01 Oct 2006 04:04:52 AM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
I wish Democrats (and Republicans, for that matter) were asking this
question: How do we prevent Iraq from becoming a failed state?
You can rest assured about 10,000 neocon wannabe's are writing
papers on 'Barriers to Democracy in Iraq'. I know because one
of them lives next door to me. He was writing a paper for a class
recently on, guess what, 'Barriers to Democracy in Iraq'.
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| User: "John Lemke" |
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| Title: Re: OH MY GOSH! -- Retired Officers To Criticize Rumsfeld |
01 Oct 2006 06:04:58 AM |
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"Perseid" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns984F1F583C346rrfkwrantispamattbic@216.196.97.136...
You can rest assured about 10,000 neocon wannabe's are writing
papers on 'Barriers to Democracy in Iraq'. I know because one
of them lives next door to me. He was writing a paper for a class
recently on, guess what, 'Barriers to Democracy in Iraq'.
All they can do is write papers. It's all over with over there. All but the
murder and carnage.
Bush isn't going to send the additional 400,000 troops it would take to
bring security to Iraq. He's blown the job from the beginning.
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