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Is it really necessary for you left-wing losers to continue
whining all the time? As in this case, some ***** stated
that he had a phucking BOMB on board a commercial airliner:
GUESS WHAT? HE'S DEADER THAN JULIUS CAESAR!
Thank God: Congress just extended the Patriot Act, ensuring
that left-wing lunatics like you and your now-dead hero are
guaranteed to intercept the business end of a bullet OR TWO
if you even THINK about threatening innocent people who are
simply going about their business minding their own business.
As for your rabidly-insane dead terrorist hero, good riddance.
And you can kiss that inhuman gangster "Tookie" Williams' *****
goodbye, too. It would be great for ratings if they'd televise
the merciful euthanization process of that mass-murdering scumbag. :-D
Enjoy!
Daniel Joseph Min
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x2B1CCFE7
*Download Min's Banned (Freeware) Books:
http://www.2hot2cool.com/11/danieljosephmin/
*Min's Google-Archived Home Page On The WWW:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=XJBDEJF138262.9022453704@anonymous.poster
Some sniveling liberal lout pissed and whined as usual:
<snipped for clarity>
"There's nothing like a good, clean kill!"
--Peter Sellers, 'The Magic Christian'
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08 Dec 2005 11:06:01 PM |
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Is it really necessary for you left-wing losers to continue
whining all the time?
roflmao
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| User: "Johnny Asia poki_pongo at yahoo.com" |
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09 Dec 2005 05:10:13 AM |
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The cops overreacted and killed an innocent man who was
afrad to fly. They made up the bomb story to cover their asses.
"The wife was telling him, 'Calm down. Let other people get on the
plane. It will be all right,'" said Alan Tirpak.
"I thought maybe he's afraid of flying," Tirpak said.
Other passengers have said Alpizar's wife, Anne Buechner, said he was
bipolar, a disorder also known as manic-depression.
She was yelling "That's my husband, that's my husband — I need to get
to my husband!" Mary Gardner said. "She said, 'My husband is bipolar.
He didn't take his medicine.'"
Mike Beshears heard her say, "'My husband is sick. I've got to get my
bags.'" Then the shots rang out, and a flight attendant stopped her
and guided her to a seat, he said.
"She was very apologetic," Beshears said of Alpizar's wife. "She was
explaining to us as we sat there in the row. She felt it was her
fault, that she had convinced him to get on board, that he wasn't
ready."
Passenger: Alpizar Was Agitated at Gate
By CURT ANDERSON, Associated Press Writer
MIAMI - The passenger shot to death by air marshals in Miami had been
agitated before boarding the plane and was singing "Go Down Moses" as
his wife tried to calm him, a fellow passenger said Thursday.
"The wife was telling him, 'Calm down. Let other people get on the
plane. It will be all right,'" said Alan Tirpak.
"I thought maybe he's afraid of flying," Tirpak said.
Tirpak took his seat, and Rigoberto Alpizar, 44, and his wife
eventually boarded the plane. Then, a few minutes before the plane was
to pull away, Alpizar bolted up the aisle and onto the jetway, where
two air marshals confronted him.
Alpizar's sister-in-law, Jeanne Jentsch, read a short statement from
the family Thursday describing him as "a loving, gentle and caring
husband, uncle, son and friend." He was from Costa Rica but became a
U.S. citizen several years ago, she said.
The statement did not address Alpizar's mental condition. Other
passengers have said Alpizar's wife, Anne Buechner, said he was
bipolar, a disorder also known as manic-depression.
She was yelling "That's my husband, that's my husband — I need to get
to my husband!" Mary Gardner said. "She said, 'My husband is bipolar.
He didn't take his medicine.'"
Mike Beshears heard her say, "'My husband is sick. I've got to get my
bags.'" Then the shots rang out, and a flight attendant stopped her
and guided her to a seat, he said.
"She was very apologetic," Beshears said of Alpizar's wife. "She was
explaining to us as we sat there in the row. She felt it was her
fault, that she had convinced him to get on board, that he wasn't
ready."
Buechner did not speak publicly Thursday. She works for the Council on
Quality and Leadership based in Towson, Md., a nonprofit organization
focused on improving life for people with disabilities and mental
illness, the organization said in a statement.
Neighbors said the couple had been returning to their home in the
Orlando suburb of Maitland from a missionary trip to Ecuador.
Charles Baez, manager of the MAB Paints store in Orlando where Alpizar
worked for 12 years until taking a job at Home Depot, described him as
a health enthusiast who was always calm and patient with customers. He
said he never saw evidence of any mental problems.
+
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Ignorance is an evil weed, which dictators may cultivate among their
dupes, but which no democracy can afford among its citizens."
- William H. Beveridge, 1944
"The power of accurate observation is called cynicism
by those who have not got it." - G. B. Shaw
Want to know what's really going on in Iraq?
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/wakeup.html
The Rise and Fall of the Holy Roller Empire
The God-Awful Truth about Christian Zionism
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/armageddon.html
Listen to some neo-Flamenco guitar by Johnny Asia:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/songInfo.cfm?bandID=78840&songID=2126299
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09 Dec 2005 06:09:34 AM |
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"Johnny Asia" <poki_pongo at yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bepip1d2djplmr6p0e0l9bsdh74trl8q4d@4ax.com...
The cops overreacted and killed an innocent man who was
afrad to fly. They made up the bomb story to cover their asses.
They aren't "cops". They are Federal Marshals, and they have a lot more
authority than just about anyone else in law enforcement. Federal Marshals
can search your home without a warrant, for instance. They don't even need
probable cause. And they could do this long before the Patriot Act ever
became law. As for your assertion that they made up the bomb story, do you
have any evidence to demonstrate that this was the case, or are you just
blowing milk bubbles?
"The wife was telling him, 'Calm down. Let other people get on the
plane. It will be all right,'" said Alan Tirpak.
"I thought maybe he's afraid of flying," Tirpak said.
So what? What makes you think these Marshals knew about his ealier
problem? Hell, he had just flown all the way from Columbia to Miami. If
he had been having such terrible problems, don't you think they would have
been aware of it before they landed at the airport?
Other passengers have said Alpizar's wife, Anne Buechner, said he was
bipolar, a disorder also known as manic-depression.
Ditto. No evidence that the Marshals were aware of it. And even if they
had known, they would likely have still done their job.
She was yelling "That's my husband, that's my husband - I need to get
to my husband!" Mary Gardner said. "She said, 'My husband is bipolar.
He didn't take his medicine.'"
She was yelling from within the airplane. The guy had already run out onto
the jetway with the Marshal in pursuit. There is no way he could have
heard conversation emanating from the airplane.
Mike Beshears heard her say, "'My husband is sick. I've got to get my
bags.'" Then the shots rang out, and a flight attendant stopped her
and guided her to a seat, he said.
"She was very apologetic," Beshears said of Alpizar's wife. "She was
explaining to us as we sat there in the row. She felt it was her
fault, that she had convinced him to get on board, that he wasn't
ready."
No, it was the guy's fault. If he had bi-polar disorder, and was not on
his medication, and got shot because he had an episode, there is no one
else to blame but him.
George
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| User: "2135 Dead, 49 since Hunter resolution" |
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09 Dec 2005 07:41:22 AM |
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On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 12:09:34 GMT, "George"
<george@wtfiswrongwithyou.com> wrote:
"Johnny Asia" <poki_pongo at yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bepip1d2djplmr6p0e0l9bsdh74trl8q4d@4ax.com...
The cops overreacted and killed an innocent man who was
afrad to fly. They made up the bomb story to cover their asses.
They aren't "cops". They are Federal Marshals, and they have a lot more
authority than just about anyone else in law enforcement. Federal Marshals
can search your home without a warrant, for instance. They don't even need
probable cause. And they could do this long before the Patriot Act ever
became law. As for your assertion that they made up the bomb story, do you
have any evidence to demonstrate that this was the case, or are you just
blowing milk bubbles?
"The wife was telling him, 'Calm down. Let other people get on the
plane. It will be all right,'" said Alan Tirpak.
"I thought maybe he's afraid of flying," Tirpak said.
So what? What makes you think these Marshals knew about his ealier
problem? Hell, he had just flown all the way from Columbia to Miami. If
he had been having such terrible problems, don't you think they would have
been aware of it before they landed at the airport?
Other passengers have said Alpizar's wife, Anne Buechner, said he was
bipolar, a disorder also known as manic-depression.
Ditto. No evidence that the Marshals were aware of it. And even if they
had known, they would likely have still done their job.
She was yelling "That's my husband, that's my husband - I need to get
to my husband!" Mary Gardner said. "She said, 'My husband is bipolar.
He didn't take his medicine.'"
She was yelling from within the airplane. The guy had already run out onto
the jetway with the Marshal in pursuit. There is no way he could have
heard conversation emanating from the airplane.
Mike Beshears heard her say, "'My husband is sick. I've got to get my
bags.'" Then the shots rang out, and a flight attendant stopped her
and guided her to a seat, he said.
"She was very apologetic," Beshears said of Alpizar's wife. "She was
explaining to us as we sat there in the row. She felt it was her
fault, that she had convinced him to get on board, that he wasn't
ready."
No, it was the guy's fault. If he had bi-polar disorder, and was not on
his medication, and got shot because he had an episode, there is no one
else to blame but him.
Don't you love the way these servile little lickspittles of the far
right line up to insist that government agents have the right to shoot
anyone who appears agitated, and they can do so so weak, brittle
little right wingers like George can pretend they are safe from the
boogyman?
George
--
"'I’m not meeting with that goddamned *****,' Bush screamed at aides
who suggested he meet with Cindy Sheehan, the war-protesting mother
whose son died in Iraq. 'She can go to hell as far as I’m concerned!'"
--Putsch, a decompensating drunk
"Grover Norquist couldn't drown the government, so he drowned New Orleans instead."
Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal!
Pay your taxes so the rich don't have to.
For the finest in liberal/leftist commentary,
http://www.zeppscommentaries.com
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| User: "George" |
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09 Dec 2005 01:27:47 PM |
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"2135 Dead, 49 since Hunter resolution" <zepp2135#2211finestplanet.com@>
wrote in message news:g92jp195j1r39ghk0h6p7nckt5mtggp28h@4ax.com...
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 12:09:34 GMT, "George"
<george@wtfiswrongwithyou.com> wrote:
"Johnny Asia" <poki_pongo at yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bepip1d2djplmr6p0e0l9bsdh74trl8q4d@4ax.com...
The cops overreacted and killed an innocent man who was
afrad to fly. They made up the bomb story to cover their asses.
They aren't "cops". They are Federal Marshals, and they have a lot more
authority than just about anyone else in law enforcement. Federal
Marshals
can search your home without a warrant, for instance. They don't even
need
probable cause. And they could do this long before the Patriot Act ever
became law. As for your assertion that they made up the bomb story, do
you
have any evidence to demonstrate that this was the case, or are you just
blowing milk bubbles?
"The wife was telling him, 'Calm down. Let other people get on the
plane. It will be all right,'" said Alan Tirpak.
"I thought maybe he's afraid of flying," Tirpak said.
So what? What makes you think these Marshals knew about his ealier
problem? Hell, he had just flown all the way from Columbia to Miami. If
he had been having such terrible problems, don't you think they would
have
been aware of it before they landed at the airport?
Other passengers have said Alpizar's wife, Anne Buechner, said he was
bipolar, a disorder also known as manic-depression.
Ditto. No evidence that the Marshals were aware of it. And even if they
had known, they would likely have still done their job.
She was yelling "That's my husband, that's my husband - I need to get
to my husband!" Mary Gardner said. "She said, 'My husband is bipolar.
He didn't take his medicine.'"
She was yelling from within the airplane. The guy had already run out
onto
the jetway with the Marshal in pursuit. There is no way he could have
heard conversation emanating from the airplane.
Mike Beshears heard her say, "'My husband is sick. I've got to get my
bags.'" Then the shots rang out, and a flight attendant stopped her
and guided her to a seat, he said.
"She was very apologetic," Beshears said of Alpizar's wife. "She was
explaining to us as we sat there in the row. She felt it was her
fault, that she had convinced him to get on board, that he wasn't
ready."
No, it was the guy's fault. If he had bi-polar disorder, and was not on
his medication, and got shot because he had an episode, there is no one
else to blame but him.
Don't you love the way these servile little lickspittles of the far
right line up to insist that government agents have the right to shoot
anyone who appears agitated, and they can do so so weak, brittle
little right wingers like George can pretend they are safe from the
boogyman?
George
Umm, Democrats are "far right" are they? In what universe are Democrats
(such as myself) considered to be "far right"? Please let us know what
drug you are taking that can make you so delusional.
George
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| User: "nevermore" |
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09 Dec 2005 08:51:32 AM |
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On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 05:41:22 -0800, "2135 Dead, 49 since Hunter
resolution" <zepp2135#2211finestplanet.com@> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 12:09:34 GMT, "George"
<george@wtfiswrongwithyou.com> wrote:
"Johnny Asia" <poki_pongo at yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bepip1d2djplmr6p0e0l9bsdh74trl8q4d@4ax.com...
The cops overreacted and killed an innocent man who was
afrad to fly. They made up the bomb story to cover their asses.
They aren't "cops". They are Federal Marshals, and they have a lot more
authority than just about anyone else in law enforcement. Federal Marshals
can search your home without a warrant, for instance. They don't even need
probable cause. And they could do this long before the Patriot Act ever
became law. As for your assertion that they made up the bomb story, do you
have any evidence to demonstrate that this was the case, or are you just
blowing milk bubbles?
"The wife was telling him, 'Calm down. Let other people get on the
plane. It will be all right,'" said Alan Tirpak.
"I thought maybe he's afraid of flying," Tirpak said.
So what? What makes you think these Marshals knew about his ealier
problem? Hell, he had just flown all the way from Columbia to Miami. If
he had been having such terrible problems, don't you think they would have
been aware of it before they landed at the airport?
Other passengers have said Alpizar's wife, Anne Buechner, said he was
bipolar, a disorder also known as manic-depression.
Ditto. No evidence that the Marshals were aware of it. And even if they
had known, they would likely have still done their job.
She was yelling "That's my husband, that's my husband - I need to get
to my husband!" Mary Gardner said. "She said, 'My husband is bipolar.
He didn't take his medicine.'"
She was yelling from within the airplane. The guy had already run out onto
the jetway with the Marshal in pursuit. There is no way he could have
heard conversation emanating from the airplane.
Mike Beshears heard her say, "'My husband is sick. I've got to get my
bags.'" Then the shots rang out, and a flight attendant stopped her
and guided her to a seat, he said.
"She was very apologetic," Beshears said of Alpizar's wife. "She was
explaining to us as we sat there in the row. She felt it was her
fault, that she had convinced him to get on board, that he wasn't
ready."
No, it was the guy's fault. If he had bi-polar disorder, and was not on
his medication, and got shot because he had an episode, there is no one
else to blame but him.
Don't you love the way these servile little lickspittles of the far
right line up to insist that government agents have the right to shoot
anyone who appears agitated,
<LOL> Zepp is concerned because he generally appears to be
agitated...
--
If Nevermore tries paying cap gains with a 1040, he'll
be in jail soon enough.
--Zepp Jamieson, Dec 3, 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/30fdaff423e2029b?hl=en&
Jamieson, obviously never had any cap gains to report, because
<LOL> line 13 on the 1040 form, under income, as shown below, is clearly where
you report your capital gains.
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1040.pdf
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| User: "2135 Dead, 49 since Hunter resolution" |
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09 Dec 2005 07:31:29 AM |
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On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 12:09:34 GMT, "George"
<george@wtfiswrongwithyou.com> wrote:
"Johnny Asia" <poki_pongo at yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bepip1d2djplmr6p0e0l9bsdh74trl8q4d@4ax.com...
The cops overreacted and killed an innocent man who was
afrad to fly. They made up the bomb story to cover their asses.
They aren't "cops". They are Federal Marshals, and they have a lot more
authority than just about anyone else in law enforcement. Federal Marshals
can search your home without a warrant, for instance. They don't even need
probable cause. And they could do this long before the Patriot Act ever
became law. As for your assertion that they made up the bomb story, do you
have any evidence to demonstrate that this was the case, or are you just
blowing milk bubbles?
I wonder if "George" is Tasmanian Devil. These whoppers sound like
something Tassie might have come up with.
How about it, George? You a senior partner in an Ohio law firm?
"The wife was telling him, 'Calm down. Let other people get on the
plane. It will be all right,'" said Alan Tirpak.
"I thought maybe he's afraid of flying," Tirpak said.
So what? What makes you think these Marshals knew about his ealier
problem? Hell, he had just flown all the way from Columbia to Miami. If
he had been having such terrible problems, don't you think they would have
been aware of it before they landed at the airport?
Other passengers have said Alpizar's wife, Anne Buechner, said he was
bipolar, a disorder also known as manic-depression.
Ditto. No evidence that the Marshals were aware of it. And even if they
had known, they would likely have still done their job.
She was yelling "That's my husband, that's my husband - I need to get
to my husband!" Mary Gardner said. "She said, 'My husband is bipolar.
He didn't take his medicine.'"
She was yelling from within the airplane. The guy had already run out onto
the jetway with the Marshal in pursuit. There is no way he could have
heard conversation emanating from the airplane.
Mike Beshears heard her say, "'My husband is sick. I've got to get my
bags.'" Then the shots rang out, and a flight attendant stopped her
and guided her to a seat, he said.
"She was very apologetic," Beshears said of Alpizar's wife. "She was
explaining to us as we sat there in the row. She felt it was her
fault, that she had convinced him to get on board, that he wasn't
ready."
No, it was the guy's fault. If he had bi-polar disorder, and was not on
his medication, and got shot because he had an episode, there is no one
else to blame but him.
George
--
"'I’m not meeting with that goddamned *****,' Bush screamed at aides
who suggested he meet with Cindy Sheehan, the war-protesting mother
whose son died in Iraq. 'She can go to hell as far as I’m concerned!'"
--Putsch, a decompensating drunk
"Grover Norquist couldn't drown the government, so he drowned New Orleans instead."
Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal!
Pay your taxes so the rich don't have to.
For the finest in liberal/leftist commentary,
http://www.zeppscommentaries.com
For news feed (free, 10-20 articles a day)
http://groups.yahoo.com/subscribe/zepps_news
For essays (donations accepted, 2 articles/week)
http://groups.yahoo.com/subscribe/zepps_essays
a.a. #2211 -- Bryan Zepp Jamieson
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| User: "George" |
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| Title: Re: Outrage over Wednesday's shooting |
09 Dec 2005 01:25:42 PM |
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"2135 Dead, 49 since Hunter resolution" <zepp2135#2211finestplanet.com@>
wrote in message news:0o1jp11ed88bjs5udtjacfedfuv9n7l7bl@4ax.com...
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 12:09:34 GMT, "George"
<george@wtfiswrongwithyou.com> wrote:
"Johnny Asia" <poki_pongo at yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bepip1d2djplmr6p0e0l9bsdh74trl8q4d@4ax.com...
The cops overreacted and killed an innocent man who was
afrad to fly. They made up the bomb story to cover their asses.
They aren't "cops". They are Federal Marshals, and they have a lot more
authority than just about anyone else in law enforcement. Federal
Marshals
can search your home without a warrant, for instance. They don't even
need
probable cause. And they could do this long before the Patriot Act ever
became law. As for your assertion that they made up the bomb story, do
you
have any evidence to demonstrate that this was the case, or are you just
blowing milk bubbles?
I wonder if "George" is Tasmanian Devil. These whoppers sound like
something Tassie might have come up with.
How about it, George? You a senior partner in an Ohio law firm?
WTF are you babbling about?
George
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| User: "nevermore" |
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09 Dec 2005 05:13:53 AM |
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On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 06:10:13 -0500, Johnny Asia <poki_pongo at
yahoo.com> wrote:
The cops overreacted and killed an innocent man who was
afrad to fly. They made up the bomb story to cover their asses.
*****! anyone claiming to have a bomb in a public place is going
to get shot.
--
If Nevermore tries paying cap gains with a 1040, he'll
be in jail soon enough.
--Zepp Jamieson, Dec 3, 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/30fdaff423e2029b?hl=en&
Jamieson, obviously never had any cap gains to report, because
<LOL> line 13 on the 1040 form, under income, as shown below, is clearly where
you report your capital gains.
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1040.pdf
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| User: "Martin McPhillips" |
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| Title: Re: Outrage over Wednesday's shooting |
09 Dec 2005 08:10:25 AM |
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"nevermore" <stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> wrote in message
news:tkpip1hb4gq7diekifno5qffvijjl5siae@4ax.com...
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 06:10:13 -0500, Johnny Asia
<poki_pongo at
yahoo.com> wrote:
The cops overreacted and killed an innocent man who was
afrad to fly. They made up the bomb story to cover their
asses.
*****! anyone claiming to have a bomb in a public
place is going
to get shot.
--
If Nevermore tries paying cap gains with a 1040, he'll
be in jail soon enough.
--Zepp Jamieson, Dec 3, 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/30fdaff423e2029b?hl=en&
Jamieson, obviously never had any cap gains to report,
because
<LOL> line 13 on the 1040 form, under income, as shown
below, is clearly where
you report your capital gains.
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1040.pdf
That is true. The protocol appears to be to
shoot the person in the head before they can
detonate the bomb they claim to have. This
man might have been crazy, but he might also
have been determined to commit suicide by
cop. No one will ever know, but I'm sure
that the ACLU will be ready to take the
side of declared bombers in any case.
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| User: "Lynette Warren" |
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12 Dec 2005 02:32:43 AM |
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The protocol appears to be to shoot the person
in the head before they can detonate the bomb
they claim to have.
Early second and probably third hand accounts via government
spokespersons suggest that Alpizar "uttered threatening words that
included a sentence to the effect that he had a bomb," was confronted
by air marshals, but ran off the aircraft. Later in the week, after
several witnesses who were aboard the plane said Alpizar made no such
threatening statements, the police spokepersons are backing off and
saying that Alpizar made the threatening statements in the jetway, not
aboard the aircraft.
It appears to me, that since the information being disseminated by
Homeland Security spokepersons has been conveniently vague and
unattributed, it gives the air marshals almost unlimited opportunity to
change the details of it as the situation demands in order to fit and
retrofit their version of the incident into whatever it needs to be to
keep them out of hot water for an unjustifiable shooting.
So I question the credibility of the air marshals. Martin, I can see
why you give more weight to the police in this case, but I can't see
how you can know what Alpizar might have said at this point. One good
way to determine whether what the spokespersons has said has been true
or not would be to actually look at the statements that the air
marshals most certainly would have made. The reports would have been
written immediately after the shooting. Homeland Security may not want
to release those statements, but they should to cough them up or admit
that this is a police state and that the citizens need to move along
because there is nothing to see here.
Lynette
" The passenger, identified as Rigoberto Alpizar, 'uttered threatening
words that included a sentence to the effect that he had a bomb,' said
James E. Bauer, agent in charge of the Federal Air Marshals field
office in Miami. He was confronted by air marshals but ran off the
aircraft. Doyle said the marshals went after him and ordered him to get
down on the ground, but he did not comply and was shot when he
apparently reached into the bag. "
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"Lynette Warren" <areswarren@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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The protocol appears to be to shoot the person
in the head before they can detonate the bomb
they claim to have.
Early second and probably third hand accounts via government
spokespersons suggest that Alpizar "uttered threatening words that
included a sentence to the effect that he had a bomb," was confronted
by air marshals, but ran off the aircraft. Later in the week, after
several witnesses who were aboard the plane said Alpizar made no such
threatening statements, the police spokepersons are backing off and
saying that Alpizar made the threatening statements in the jetway, not
aboard the aircraft.
It appears to me, that since the information being disseminated by
Homeland Security spokepersons has been conveniently vague and
unattributed, it gives the air marshals almost unlimited opportunity to
change the details of it as the situation demands in order to fit and
retrofit their version of the incident into whatever it needs to be to
keep them out of hot water for an unjustifiable shooting.
So I question the credibility of the air marshals. Martin, I can see
why you give more weight to the police in this case, but I can't see
how you can know what Alpizar might have said at this point. One good
way to determine whether what the spokespersons has said has been true
or not would be to actually look at the statements that the air
marshals most certainly would have made. The reports would have been
written immediately after the shooting. Homeland Security may not want
to release those statements, but they should to cough them up or admit
that this is a police state and that the citizens need to move along
because there is nothing to see here.
The shooting of one mentally-ill man does not make a police state!
Mentally-ill men have unfortunately been shot here in Toronto, too, when
police felt they posed a threat. In all cases, the police were exonerated
in the investigation, because they are not omniscient. They have to put the
safety of the public at large ahead of one individual who may be dangerous.
What if they had let him be and he DID hurt people? (Bipolar individuals who
are off their meds have been known to).
At least wait for the investigation before you condemn the police and get
all paranoid about a "police state". If such incidents were happening
frequently, you might have cause for concern. ASFAIK, this is the first
case since 9-11.
Jane
Lynette
" The passenger, identified as Rigoberto Alpizar, 'uttered threatening
words that included a sentence to the effect that he had a bomb,' said
James E. Bauer, agent in charge of the Federal Air Marshals field
office in Miami. He was confronted by air marshals but ran off the
aircraft. Doyle said the marshals went after him and ordered him to get
down on the ground, but he did not comply and was shot when he
apparently reached into the bag. "
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12 Dec 2005 05:44:06 AM |
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On 12 Dec 2005 00:32:43 -0800, "Lynette Warren" <areswarren@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Lynette
" The passenger, identified as Rigoberto Alpizar, 'uttered threatening
words that included a sentence to the effect that he had a bomb,' said
James E. Bauer, agent in charge of the Federal Air Marshals field
office in Miami. He was confronted by air marshals but ran off the
aircraft. Doyle said the marshals went after him and ordered him to get
down on the ground, but he did not comply and was shot when he
apparently reached into the bag. "
An eyewitness said that Alpizar was wearing a fanny pack on his
abdomen, when he was told to lie down on his face, he was moving
the fanny pack to the side, so that he could lie down on his face.
The marshalls overreacted and shot him several times.
Citizens who blindly believe anything they are told, and who
demonize the victims of police and military violence, are the worst
cowards of all. They are like the children who hang out
with the playground bully and cheer him on when he beats up
other little kids.
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"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Ignorance is an evil weed, which dictators may cultivate among their
dupes, but which no democracy can afford among its citizens."
- William H. Beveridge, 1944
"The power of accurate observation is called cynicism
by those who have not got it." - G. B. Shaw
Want to know what's really going on in Iraq?
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/wakeup.html
The Rise and Fall of the Holy Roller Empire
The God-Awful Truth about Christian Zionism
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/armageddon.html
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12 Dec 2005 06:21:46 AM |
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On 12 Dec 2005 00:32:43 -0800, "Lynette Warren" <areswarren@yahoo.com>
wrote:
So I question the credibility of the air marshals.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1209/p02s02-uspo.html
Air marshal program: Is training adequate?
The shooting of a passenger in Miami followed protocol, but worries
rise about 'mission creep.'
But many question the training itself - as well as the way the federal
government has handled the Federal Air Marshals Service (FAMS) since
9/11, when the small security agency with fewer than three dozen
marshals was ramped up to several thousand in a matter of months.
"All of this was created under tremendous pressure, as fast as they
could, and the fact is that there are holes all over it," says Rich
Gritta, an aviation expert at the University of Portland in Oregon.
"There's a lot of stuff that they really never had the time to think
through, so they're always trying to tweak it. When you do that, it
can cause confusion, morale problems, and some people to lose faith in
the system."
Since 9/11, the service has been bumped from agency to agency within
the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). The Inspector General and
the General Accountability Office have issued reports critical of
initial screening and training of new federal air marshals, as well as
of the DHS response to concerns of air marshals themselves - about
things such as how dress codes and other mandates might interfere with
their mission by exposing their identities. Low morale remains a
problem, some experts say.
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"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Ignorance is an evil weed, which dictators may cultivate among their
dupes, but which no democracy can afford among its citizens."
- William H. Beveridge, 1944
"The power of accurate observation is called cynicism
by those who have not got it." - G. B. Shaw
Want to know what's really going on in Iraq?
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/wakeup.html
The Rise and Fall of the Holy Roller Empire
The God-Awful Truth about Christian Zionism
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/armageddon.html
Listen to some neo-Flamenco guitar by Johnny Asia:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/songInfo.cfm?bandID=78840&songID=2126299
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always been authorized by the copyright owner. I am making such material
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12 Dec 2005 07:17:05 AM |
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Violent, controlling men are drawn to police and military work.
Most cops and soldiers don't abuse their wives, children and
citizens, but they cover up for the abusers in their ranks.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/153537_cops22.html
Monday, December 22, 2003
Policing domestic violence in the ranks
Proposed law -- nation's first -- would close gaping policy holes
By RUTH TEICHROEB
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTER
A year ago, most Washington police officials didn't have a domestic
violence policy for abusive cops -- and didn't think they needed one.
Today, law enforcement leaders across the nation are watching how this
state plugs gaping holes in police accountability exposed by Tacoma
Police Chief David Brame's fatal shooting of his estranged wife,
Crystal, and himself.
"How can you defend your department once a whole state acknowledges
this is an issue?" asked Wynn.
"If anything, we've seen an increase in calls from the girlfriends and
wives of police officers in recent months," said Terri Kimball,
executive director of the Domestic Abuse Women's Network in South King
County. "The abusive tactics are lethal and scary."
Victims who seek help from police still aren't taken seriously enough
and have trouble getting clear information about department
procedures, Kimball said.
"They're not getting the kind of response that we would hope they'd
receive from police," said Kimball, whose organization works with 17
police agencies. "It's hard to change values and attitudes overnight."
http://www.abuseofpower.info/Book_Survive.htm
Surviving Police Domestic Violence
from: Police Domestic Violence A Handbook for Victims by Diane
Wetendorf, Copyright 2000, 2002 All rights reserved.
Police officers abuse their intimate partners because of their sense
of entitlement to control. In both their personal and professional
roles, an abuser is obsessed with maintaining control until he
voluntarily relinquishes it, and not a moment sooner.
Military Child Abuse and Spouse Abuse
http://www.military.com/spouse/fs/0,,fs_Eckhart_080505,00.html
Jacey Eckhart: Child Abuse
A group of researchers presented a study in June that said military
kids in North Carolina are twice as likely to die of severe abuse than
their civilian counterparts. Appalling, I thought. But that figure
made me wonder whether are kids are really at risk, or was this
another one of those studies drummed up because military families are
in the news?
So I called the author of the study, Marcia Herman-Giddens, an
associate professor at the University of North Carolina. For over 20
years, she has treated and worked with children who have been abused.
She told me that the study came about because some medical
professionals suspected that child abuse is disproportionately high in
military families.
The research was funded by the North Carolina Governor's Crime
Commission and the North Carolina Child Advocacy Institute.
Herman-Giddens and her group studied state medical examiner reports
from 1985 and 2000. They found 26 counties had no child abuse murders
for children age ten and under. In contrast, the two counties in which
Fort Bragg, Pope Air Force Base, Camp LeJeune and New River Air
Station are located had the highest rates of child abuse murders in
the state.
The rate was about five deaths per 100,000 children, more than double
the state average. Of 378 abuse murders, 35 occurred in military
families.
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http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Jul1996/n07301996_9607301.html
DoD Targets Domestic Violence
By Linda D. Kozaryn
American Forces Press Service
WASHINGTON -- A Navy petty officer died violently this summer
in her quarters at Andrews Air Force Base, Md. The 28-year-old mother
of two toddlers was murdered by her estranged husband, who then killed
himself.
About 135 family advocacy specialists recently looked at
service efforts to prevent domestic violence, particularly spousal
abuse. A DoD conference in Alexandria, Va., July 23-24, focused on
recommending ways to prevent abuse, to intervene when it occurs, to
treat victims and to deal with abusers. A second conference later in
the year will use the recommendations in further developing DoD's
policy for combating domestic violence.
Out of a population of 855,940 married couples, DoD officials
said, about 16,200 reports of spousal abuse were confirmed in 1995.
About 60 percent of the active duty force is married, according to
Defense Manpower Data Center figures. Of the total, about 49,700
couples are dual active duty service members; the other 806,200
service members -- 757,200 active duty men and 49,000 active duty
women -- are married to civilians.
"The vast majority of abusers are male, and the vast majority
of victims are female," said Carolyn Becraft, deputy assistant defense
secretary of defense for family support. "But in DoD, for at least
three years, about 30 percent of our cases involve wives abusing their
husbands.
The prevalence rate of spousal abuse in the military has
increased steadily since 1990, according to DoD statistics. Throughout
DoD in 1990, there were 14.5 confirmed reports of abuse per 1,000
spouses. The DoD rate for 1995 was 19 confirmed reports per 1,000
spouses. Officials attribute the higher rate to greater public and
command awareness and concern, an increase in the number of self
reports by victims and more funding for family advocacy programs.
A comparison of 1995 domestic violence rates among the
services shows the Army and Marine Corps with the highest rate of 24
confirmed reports of abuse per 1,000 spouses. The Navy had a rate of
15 confirmed reports per 1,000, and the Air Force had a rate of 14
confirmed reports per 1,000.
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"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Ignorance is an evil weed, which dictators may cultivate among their
dupes, but which no democracy can afford among its citizens."
- William H. Beveridge, 1944
"The power of accurate observation is called cynicism
by those who have not got it." - G. B. Shaw
Want to know what's really going on in Iraq?
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/wakeup.html
The Rise and Fall of the Holy Roller Empire
The God-Awful Truth about Christian Zionism
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/armageddon.html
Listen to some neo-Flamenco guitar by Johnny Asia:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/songInfo.cfm?bandID=78840&songID=2126299
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12 Dec 2005 06:38:03 AM |
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http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1209/p02s02-uspo.html
Air marshal program: Is training adequate?
"All of this was created under tremendous pressure, as fast as they
could, and the fact is that there are holes all over it," says Rich
Gritta, an aviation expert at the University of Portland in Oregon.
http://www.newswithviews.com/Ryter/jon69.htm
SEXUALLY ABUSING PASSENGERS IN THE NAME OF SECURITY
By Jon Christian Ryter
November 28, 2004
NewsWithViews.com
Jen McSkimming, the manager of a domestic airline, was attending an
industry meeting on the subject of airport security when those in
attendance began discussing the pat-down policy. "Well," the TSA
official said, "I only get about 15 complaints a week on this."
McSkimming told the New York Times that she looked around the room at
the 30-or so people in attendance and noticed that about half of them
were women. She asked how many of the women had a bad experience with
the TSA's new pat-down policy. "Every single woman," she said, "raised
their hand. So, I told him, 'Well, you'd better add 15 to this week's
total.'"
Most of the women interviewed by the New York Times for a feature
article on pat-downs said they didn't lodge any formal complaints
believing it would be an effort in futility to do so. Heather Maurer,
a Washington, DC business executive received her "cheap feel" at Logan
International Airport in Boston. Although she and several other women
with whom Mauer said she had spoken were very offended by the
pat-downs, all of them were reluctant to go on the record by filing a
written complaint for fear that they would end up on a TSA suspect
list and would be singled out whenever they traveled by air. A male
screener gave her a full body pat-down, lifted her shirt and looked
down the back of her pants. When he did it, she said: "I'm not
comfortable having you feel me up." Like most of the women who fly,
Mauer was convinced she didn't have a choice—except to give up flying,
which was something she can't afford to do.
Nancy Jackson, the president of a global company headquartered in New
York said she has also learned not to express her objections to the
pat-down. "If you do," she said, "they really feel you up. And then
[they] check every section of your wallet and every item in your
carryon, including your makeup and toiletries. It's disgusting."
Lu Chekowsky, an advertising executive from Portland, Oregon is
another reluctant flyer now. She's been felt up so many times she now
wears baggy trousers, flip-flops, and an oversized sweat shirt when
she travels to make the pat-down get over quicker. "Routinely," she
said, "my breasts are being cupped and my behind is being felt. I feel
I can't fight it. If I say anything, I picture myself being shipped
off to Guantanamo."
Tony Award winning actress and singer Patti LuPone claims she was also
the victim of an airport screener who went too far. Like Mauer,
Chekowsky and thousands of other men and women, LuPone was flagged for
special attention at the Fort Lauderdale, Florida airport. The male
screener asked her to remove articles of clothing. LuPone said she
removed her leather jacket, her belt and her shoes because they
contained metal which could have triggered the metal detector. The
screener told her to take off her shirt.
"If I take off my shirt," she explained, "I'm going to be exposed."
Since LuPone was wearing a see-through camisole, she knew if she took
off her shirt, she would be concealing absolutely nothing. The
screener seemed to understand. He nodded, saying, "Okay." When she
passed through the metal detector without incident, he flagged her for
a secondary screening. "What am I doing here?" she asked him.
"You said you wouldn't take your shirt off," he replied. LuPone said
she told the New York Times, at that point, she wondered—am I in the
time-out chair?
Still in view of the other air travelers who were checking in, she
removed her shirt and asked the screener what he wanted next. He did
not reply. Instead, a female screener appeared and began to pat her
down. According to LuPone, " ...this woman comes and starts to give me
a breast exam—not using the back of her hands, using the palm of her
hands." LuPone said she was shocked by what was happening to her. "I
was not in a private environment. I was out there in the public and
totally taken by surprise, humiliated and shocked." LuPone, whose
breasts were deliberately exposed by the screener because of his
orders—backed up by his badge, has grounds to sue because the female
screener touched her breasts with the palms of her hands and her
fingers.
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"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Ignorance is an evil weed, which dictators may cultivate among their
dupes, but which no democracy can afford among its citizens."
- William H. Beveridge, 1944
"The power of accurate observation is called cynicism
by those who have not got it." - G. B. Shaw
Want to know what's really going on in Iraq?
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/wakeup.html
The Rise and Fall of the Holy Roller Empire
The God-Awful Truth about Christian Zionism
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/armageddon.html
Listen to some neo-Flamenco guitar by Johnny Asia:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/songInfo.cfm?bandID=78840&songID=2126299
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On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 14:10:25 GMT, "Martin McPhillips"
<nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
"nevermore" <stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> wrote in message
news:tkpip1hb4gq7diekifno5qffvijjl5siae@4ax.com...
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 06:10:13 -0500, Johnny Asia
<poki_pongo at
yahoo.com> wrote:
The cops overreacted and killed an innocent man who was
afrad to fly. They made up the bomb story to cover their
asses.
*****! anyone claiming to have a bomb in a public
place is going
to get shot.
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If Nevermore tries paying cap gains with a 1040, he'll
be in jail soon enough.
--Zepp Jamieson, Dec 3, 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/30fdaff423e2029b?hl=en&
Jamieson, obviously never had any cap gains to report,
because
<LOL> line 13 on the 1040 form, under income, as shown
below, is clearly where
you report your capital gains.
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1040.pdf
That is true. The protocol appears to be to
shoot the person in the head before they can
detonate the bomb they claim to have. This
man might have been crazy, but he might also
have been determined to commit suicide by
cop. No one will ever know, but I'm sure
that the ACLU will be ready to take the
side of declared bombers in any case.
Sure,... and once again the American people will get to see the ACLU
for the anti-american force they are.
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If Nevermore tries paying cap gains with a 1040, he'll
be in jail soon enough.
--Zepp Jamieson, Dec 3, 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/30fdaff423e2029b?hl=en&
Jamieson, obviously never had any cap gains to report, because
<LOL> line 13 on the 1040 form, under income, as shown below, is clearly where
you report your capital gains.
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1040.pdf
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09 Dec 2005 06:14:24 AM |
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nevermore wrote:
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 06:10:13 -0500, Johnny Asia <poki_pongo at
yahoo.com> wrote:
The cops overreacted and killed an innocent man who was
afrad to fly. They made up the bomb story to cover their asses.
*****! anyone claiming to have a bomb in a public place is going
to get shot.
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God damned paranoid triggerhappy americans!
/bg
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09 Dec 2005 08:51:29 AM |
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On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 13:14:24 +0100, 616 <brains@trolley.net> wrote:
nevermore wrote:
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 06:10:13 -0500, Johnny Asia <poki_pongo at
yahoo.com> wrote:
The cops overreacted and killed an innocent man who was
afrad to fly. They made up the bomb story to cover their asses.
*****! anyone claiming to have a bomb in a public place is going
to get shot.
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God damned paranoid triggerhappy americans!
/bg
My, my, how delightful it is to see you fussing and fuming over this..
Thanks, and Merry Christmas.
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If Nevermore tries paying cap gains with a 1040, he'll
be in jail soon enough.
--Zepp Jamieson, Dec 3, 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/30fdaff423e2029b?hl=en&
Jamieson, obviously never had any cap gains to report, because
<LOL> line 13 on the 1040 form, under income, as shown below, is clearly where
you report your capital gains.
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1040.pdf
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09 Dec 2005 05:31:38 AM |
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On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 06:10:13 -0500, Johnny Asia <poki_pongo at yahoo.com>
wrote:
The cops overreacted and killed an innocent man who was
afrad to fly.
*****. And you're a moron.
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09 Dec 2005 06:11:00 AM |
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"Never anonymous Bud" <newskat@katxyzkave.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 06:10:13 -0500, Johnny Asia <poki_pongo at yahoo.com>
wrote:
The cops overreacted and killed an innocent man who was
afrad to fly.
*****. And you're a moron.
Lumber Cartel (tinlc) #2063. Spam this account at your own risk.
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Yeah, he was so afraid to fly that he flew all the way from Columbia to
Miami. Get a clue, Johnny.
George.
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09 Dec 2005 06:43:30 AM |
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On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 11:31:38 GMT, Never anonymous Bud
<newskat@katxyzkave.net> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 06:10:13 -0500, Johnny Asia <poki_pongo at yahoo.com>
wrote:
The cops overreacted and killed an innocent man who was
afrad to fly.
*****. And you're a moron.
"The wife was telling him, 'Calm down. Let other people get on the
plane. It will be all right,'" said Alan Tirpak.
"I thought maybe he's afraid of flying," Tirpak said.
Other passengers have said Alpizar's wife, Anne Buechner, said he was
bipolar, a disorder also known as manic-depression.
She was yelling "That's my husband, that's my husband — I need to get
to my husband!" Mary Gardner said. "She said, 'My husband is bipolar.
He didn't take his medicine.'"
Mike Beshears heard her say, "'My husband is sick. I've got to get my
bags.'" Then the shots rang out, and a flight attendant stopped her
and guided her to a seat, he said.
"She was very apologetic," Beshears said of Alpizar's wife. "She was
explaining to us as we sat there in the row. She felt it was her
fault, that she had convinced him to get on board, that he wasn't
ready."
Passenger: Alpizar Was Agitated at Gate
By CURT ANDERSON, Associated Press Writer
MIAMI - The passenger shot to death by air marshals in Miami had been
agitated before boarding the plane and was singing "Go Down Moses" as
his wife tried to calm him, a fellow passenger said Thursday.
"The wife was telling him, 'Calm down. Let other people get on the
plane. It will be all right,'" said Alan Tirpak.
"I thought maybe he's afraid of flying," Tirpak said.
Tirpak took his seat, and Rigoberto Alpizar, 44, and his wife
eventually boarded the plane. Then, a few minutes before the plane was
to pull away, Alpizar bolted up the aisle and onto the jetway, where
two air marshals confronted him.
Alpizar's sister-in-law, Jeanne Jentsch, read a short statement from
the family Thursday describing him as "a loving, gentle and caring
husband, uncle, son and friend." He was from Costa Rica but became a
U.S. citizen several years ago, she said.
The statement did not address Alpizar's mental condition. Other
passengers have said Alpizar's wife, Anne Buechner, said he was
bipolar, a disorder also known as manic-depression.
She was yelling "That's my husband, that's my husband — I need to get
to my husband!" Mary Gardner said. "She said, 'My husband is bipolar.
He didn't take his medicine.'"
Mike Beshears heard her say, "'My husband is sick. I've got to get my
bags.'" Then the shots rang out, and a flight attendant stopped her
and guided her to a seat, he said.
"She was very apologetic," Beshears said of Alpizar's wife. "She was
explaining to us as we sat there in the row. She felt it was her
fault, that she had convinced him to get on board, that he wasn't
ready."
Buechner did not speak publicly Thursday. She works for the Council on
Quality and Leadership based in Towson, Md., a nonprofit organization
focused on improving life for people with disabilities and mental
illness, the organization said in a statement.
Neighbors said the couple had been returning to their home in the
Orlando suburb of Maitland from a missionary trip to Ecuador.
Charles Baez, manager of the MAB Paints store in Orlando where Alpizar
worked for 12 years until taking a job at Home Depot, described him as
a health enthusiast who was always calm and patient with customers. He
said he never saw evidence of any mental problems.
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"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Ignorance is an evil weed, which dictators may cultivate among their
dupes, but which no democracy can afford among its citizens."
- William H. Beveridge, 1944
"The power of accurate observation is called cynicism
by those who have not got it." - G. B. Shaw
Want to know what's really going on in Iraq?
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/wakeup.html
The Rise and Fall of the Holy Roller Empire
The God-Awful Truth about Christian Zionism
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/armageddon.html
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09 Dec 2005 08:51:31 AM |
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On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 07:43:30 -0500, Johnny Asia <poki_pongo at
yahoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 11:31:38 GMT, Never anonymous Bud
<newskat@katxyzkave.net> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 06:10:13 -0500, Johnny Asia <poki_pongo at yahoo.com>
wrote:
The cops overreacted and killed an innocent man who was
afrad to fly.
*****. And you're a moron.
"The wife was telling him, 'Calm down. Let other people get on the
plane. It will be all right,'" said Alan Tirpak.
It's too bad if he didn't really have a bomb, but I still want the
Marshalls to shoot anyone that is threatening to set off a bomb in a
crowded place.
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If Nevermore tries paying cap gains with a 1040, he'll
be in jail soon enough.
--Zepp Jamieson, Dec 3, 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/30fdaff423e2029b?hl=en&
Jamieson, obviously never had any cap gains to report, because
<LOL> line 13 on the 1040 form, under income, as shown below, is clearly where
you report your capital gains.
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1040.pdf
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| User: "2135 Dead, 49 since Hunter resolution" |
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09 Dec 2005 07:45:50 AM |
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On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 11:31:38 GMT, Never anonymous Bud
<newskat@katxyzkave.net> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 06:10:13 -0500, Johnny Asia <poki_pongo at yahoo.com>
wrote:
The cops overreacted and killed an innocent man who was
afrad to fly.
*****. And you're a moron.
Actually, it's looking more and more like that's exactly what did
happen.
The people on the plane said the guy never said he had a bomb, or
acted like he had any kind of weapon, or wanted to hurt anyone.
Southern Sherriffs had "shoot while trying to escape"
Air pigs have "he said he had a bomb"
Lumber Cartel (tinlc) #2063. Spam this account at your own risk.
This sig censored by the Office of Home and Land Insecurity...
Remove XYZ to email me
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"'I’m not meeting with that goddamned *****,' Bush screamed at aides
who suggested he meet with Cindy Sheehan, the war-protesting mother
whose son died in Iraq. 'She can go to hell as far as I’m concerned!'"
--Putsch, a decompensating drunk
"Grover Norquist couldn't drown the government, so he drowned New Orleans instead."
Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal!
Pay your taxes so the rich don't have to.
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http://www.zeppscommentaries.com
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| User: "nevermore" |
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09 Dec 2005 08:51:31 AM |
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On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 05:45:50 -0800, "2135 Dead, 49 since Hunter
resolution" <zepp2135#2211finestplanet.com@> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 11:31:38 GMT, Never anonymous Bud
<newskat@katxyzkave.net> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 06:10:13 -0500, Johnny Asia <poki_pongo at yahoo.com>
wrote:
The cops overreacted and killed an innocent man who was
afrad to fly.
*****. And you're a moron.
Actually, it's looking more and more like that's exactly what did
happen.
Nobody cares what it looks like to you, dumbass...
--
If Nevermore tries paying cap gains with a 1040, he'll
be in jail soon enough.
--Zepp Jamieson, Dec 3, 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/30fdaff423e2029b?hl=en&
Jamieson, obviously never had any cap gains to report, because
<LOL> line 13 on the 1040 form, under income, as shown below, is clearly where
you report your capital gains.
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1040.pdf
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| User: "eric" |
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09 Dec 2005 01:38:36 PM |
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Wrong, Bud, you loser. This guy didn't have a bomb, and never claimed
to have a bomb. Other passengers have corroborated this.
Obviously you Bud, are the Moron.
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| User: "Jane" |
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09 Dec 2005 03:36:13 PM |
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"eric" <ericdavis500@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1134157116.195267.263180@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Wrong, Bud, you loser. This guy didn't have a bomb, and never claimed
to have a bomb. Other passengers have corroborated this.
Cite, please. that's not what I read.
Jane
Obviously you Bud, are the Moron.
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| User: "Johnny Asia poki_pongo at yahoo.com" |
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09 Dec 2005 04:35:51 PM |
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"eric" <ericdavis500@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1134157116.195267.263180@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Wrong, Bud, you loser. This guy didn't have a bomb, and never claimed
to have a bomb. Other passengers have corroborated this.
Cite, please. that's not what I read.
Jane
What did you read, and where did you read it?
From AP yesterday:
"The wife was telling him, 'Calm down. Let other people get on the
plane. It will be all right,'" said Alan Tirpak.
"I thought maybe he's afraid of flying," Tirpak said.
Other passengers have said Alpizar's wife, Anne Buechner, said he was
bipolar, a disorder also known as manic-depression.
She was yelling "That's my husband, that's my husband — I need to get
to my husband!" Mary Gardner said. "She said, 'My husband is bipolar.
He didn't take his medicine.'"
Mike Beshears heard her say, "'My husband is sick. I've got to get my
bags.'" Then the shots rang out, and a flight attendant stopped her
and guided her to a seat, he said.
"She was very apologetic," Beshears said of Alpizar's wife. "She was
explaining to us as we sat there in the row. She felt it was her
fault, that she had convinced him to get on board, that he wasn't
ready."
Passenger: Alpizar Was Agitated at Gate
By CURT ANDERSON, Associated Press Writer
MIAMI - The passenger shot to death by air marshals in Miami had been
agitated before boarding the plane and was singing "Go Down Moses" as
his wife tried to calm him, a fellow passenger said Thursday.
"The wife was telling him, 'Calm down. Let other people get on the
plane. It will be all right,'" said Alan Tirpak.
"I thought maybe he's afraid of flying," Tirpak said.
Tirpak took his seat, and Rigoberto Alpizar, 44, and his wife
eventually boarded the plane. Then, a few minutes before the plane was
to pull away, Alpizar bolted up the aisle and onto the jetway, where
two air marshals confronted him.
Alpizar's sister-in-law, Jeanne Jentsch, read a short statement from
the family Thursday describing him as "a loving, gentle and caring
husband, uncle, son and friend." He was from Costa Rica but became a
U.S. citizen several years ago, she said.
The statement did not address Alpizar's mental condition. Other
passengers have said Alpizar's wife, Anne Buechner, said he was
bipolar, a disorder also known as manic-depression.
She was yelling "That's my husband, that's my husband — I need to get
to my husband!" Mary Gardner said. "She said, 'My husband is bipolar.
He didn't take his medicine.'"
Mike Beshears heard her say, "'My husband is sick. I've got to get my
bags.'" Then the shots rang out, and a flight attendant stopped her
and guided her to a seat, he said.
"She was very apologetic," Beshears said of Alpizar's wife. "She was
explaining to us as we sat there in the row. She felt it was her
fault, that she had convinced him to get on board, that he wasn't
ready."
Buechner did not speak publicly Thursday. She works for the Council on
Quality and Leadership based in Towson, Md., a nonprofit organization
focused on improving life for people with disabilities and mental
illness, the organization said in a statement.
Neighbors said the couple had been returning to their home in the
Orlando suburb of Maitland from a missionary trip to Ecuador.
Charles Baez, manager of the MAB Paints store in Orlando where Alpizar
worked for 12 years until taking a job at Home Depot, described him as
a health enthusiast who was always calm and patient with customers. He
said he never saw evidence of any mental problems.
+
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Ignorance is an evil weed, which dictators may cultivate among their
dupes, but which no democracy can afford among its citizens."
- William H. Beveridge, 1944
"The power of accurate observation is called cynicism
by those who have not got it." - G. B. Shaw
Want to know what's really going on in Iraq?
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/wakeup.html
The Rise and Fall of the Holy Roller Empire
The God-Awful Truth about Christian Zionism
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/armageddon.html
Listen to some neo-Flamenco guitar by Johnny Asia:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/songInfo.cfm?bandID=78840&songID=2126299
NOTICE: This post contains copyrighted material the use of which has not
always been authorized by the copyright owner. I am making such material
available to advance understanding of political, human rights, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues. I
believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of such copyrighted material as
provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright
Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107
.
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| User: "Jane" |
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| Title: Re: Outrage over Wednesday's shooting |
09 Dec 2005 07:25:47 PM |
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"Johnny Asia" <poki_pongo at yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3k1kp1d0p1q14m3stl0ukldfrbqd7qmn4n@4ax.com...
"eric" <ericdavis500@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1134157116.195267.263180@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Wrong, Bud, you loser. This guy didn't have a bomb, and never claimed
to have a bomb. Other passengers have corroborated this.
Cite, please. that's not what I read.
Jane
What did you read, and where did you read it?
I read the Toronto Star everyday, sometimes other news sources online (time
permitting). The bomb threat was noted. Even without it, you can't have a
nut job behaving in a threatening manner on an airplane.
Sorry, the marshals were justified. There have been cases in Toronto of
cops shooting the mentally ill because they believed they were under threat.
In all cases, the investigation exonerated the cops. Unfortunately, cops
are not clairvoyant...they perceive a threat, they must act on it.
What if they had let him get away and he WAS carrying a bomb? Do we just
let people do as they please and cross our fingers that it is nothing more
than some harmless psycho off his meds?
Jane
From AP yesterday:
"The wife was telling him, 'Calm down. Let other people get on the
plane. It will be all right,'" said Alan Tirpak.
"I thought maybe he's afraid of flying," Tirpak said.
Other passengers have said Alpizar's wife, Anne Buechner, said he was
bipolar, a disorder also known as manic-depression.
She was yelling "That's my husband, that's my husband - I need to get
to my husband!" Mary Gardner said. "She said, 'My husband is bipolar.
He didn't take his medicine.'"
Mike Beshears heard her say, "'My husband is sick. I've got to get my
bags.'" Then the shots rang out, and a flight attendant stopped her
and guided her to a seat, he said.
"She was very apologetic," Beshears said of Alpizar's wife. "She was
explaining to us as we sat there in the row. She felt it was her
fault, that she had convinced him to get on board, that he wasn't
ready."
Passenger: Alpizar Was Agitated at Gate
By CURT ANDERSON, Associated Press Writer
MIAMI - The passenger shot to death by air marshals in Miami had been
agitated before boarding the plane and was singing "Go Down Moses" as
his wife tried to calm him, a fellow passenger said Thursday.
"The wife was telling him, 'Calm down. Let other people get on the
plane. It will be all right,'" said Alan Tirpak.
"I thought maybe he's afraid of flying," Tirpak said.
Tirpak took his seat, and Rigoberto Alpizar, 44, and his wife
eventually boarded the plane. Then, a few minutes before the plane was
to pull away, Alpizar bolted up the aisle and onto the jetway, where
two air marshals confronted him.
Alpizar's sister-in-law, Jeanne Jentsch, read a short statement from
the family Thursday describing him as "a loving, gentle and caring
husband, uncle, son and friend." He was from Costa Rica but became a
U.S. citizen several years ago, she said.
The statement did not address Alpizar's mental condition. Other
passengers have said Alpizar's wife, Anne Buechner, said he was
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