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Date: 11 Feb 2004 10:48:59 PM
Object: Re: President Kerry
Predisent Kerry !!!!!
I like the sound of that ;-)
Best,,,,,,,,
Uncle Wally
============================
"Gandalf Grey" <gandalfgrey@infectedmail.com> wrote in message news:<402a867a$0$210$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>...

President Kerry
Geov Parrish - WorkingForChange.com

02.11.04 - Two weeks ago, I wrote -- in assessing the then-probable,
now-all-but-certain nomination of John Kerry as the Democratic presidential
nominee, that "Bush would cream Kerry."

I was wrong. Sort of. Come next January, John Kerry will be the new
President of the United States.

My mistake was in assessing the ability of George W. Bush to run,
successfully, against John Kerry. That hasn't changed. But what I left out
of the equation is that Bush must also run against himself. That is the race
that will define November. And, as we've seen in these last few days, when
Bush confronts himself, it's his prospects for a second term that lose.

Bush's unprecedented appearance on Meet the Press last Sunday was a
revelation to the political junkies who watch Sunday morning TV. We now
understand why this president has avoided news conferences that aren't
pre-scripted, or any other environments where hard questions might be asked.
Put simply, he can't answer them.

The White House's best chances for November are to keep the president under
wraps at all times. That won't be possible. The spectacle of a defensive,
evasive Dubya -- somewhere between the village idiot and a stubborn child
refusing to acknowledge a very big fib -- will be a revelation to a lot more
Americans between now and November.

At this point, Bush's record leaves him vulnerable on countless fronts: job
losses in the economy; the catastrophe that is our national health care
system (made far worse by his Medicare "fix"); the green light for
environmental rapaciousness and other forms of corporate malfeasance
(remember Enron, the one corporation most closely tied to Bush in 2000?);
and, always, tax cuts and handouts for his friends who least need them. But
the steady drip, drip, drips that will undo this presidency are Iraq and
9-11 -- the very things that, a year ago, the White House was certain would
guarantee its second term.

On Sunday, George Bush could not answer the question of why the United
States invaded Iraq, and why thousand have subsequently died, when there was
no clear threat to U.S. security and when any number of other countries are
also ruled by vile people. All he could do was fall back, time and again, on
"context" and the fact that "terrorists with airplanes attacked us."

This is remarkably thin gruel. Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11. While the
White House has had, finally, to awkwardly back down from its WMD claim, it
also sold America on the ludicrous idea that Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda
were allies. Those questions are still to come -- and what Bush's dubious
Iraq/9-11 link brings up now is only that Osama bin Laden is still out
there. And that America's actions since 9-11 have inspired far more
anti-American hatred, and therefore far more fertile recruiting grounds for
prospective anti-American terrorists, than ever existed pre-9-11. Bush not
only declared this war; he lost it.

By excusing everything under the mantle of being a "wartime president," Bush
not only begs the question of where he was in the last war, but of who
declared this one. In literal terms, the United States has declared war not
against any countries per se, but against a particular type of crime -- and
against 19 hijackers who are now, by definition, dead. We have been given no
idea who we're fighting, no idea what victory would look like or when it
might ever come -- only self-serving assurances that the next several
decades' worth of U.S. leaders will be "wartime presidents." And, so, Bush's
serving in that context ceases to be an excuse for his actions. If Bush's
definition of the situation is to be taken at face value, we will be judging
all of our future leaders by these same "wartime" standards. And nobody in
this country is about to give our political leaders a free pass for the next
50 or 100 years (or four years) now that George Bush says we're at war.
Maybe Bush doesn't think America is a democracy any longer, but most of the
rest of us do; we haven't decided, any of us, to set aside our Constitution
or our common sense for a few generations just because ***** Cheney told us
to.

In the immediate aftermath of 9/11 there is very little Bush did that Al
Gore, or John Kerry, or any Democratic president would not also have done.
Domestic security would have been tightened; Afghanistan would almost
certainly have been invaded. At its leadership level, Democrats as well as
Republicans are committed to notions of U.S. foreign policy that smack of
empire. Where Bush has diverged from that consensus is in the doctrine of
preemptive attack, his grandiose visions of redrawing maps to our liking,
and in manufacturing the case for an aggressive war almost unanimously
opposed by the rest of the world. What's worse, that war is subsequently
proving to have been a disaster for all but the stockholders of a few
well-connected companies and some newly enriched Iraqi exiles.

All this was written about, endlessly, here and in many other places, in the
months leading up to the invasion. The huge number of Americans that opposed
Bush's war may have despaired that their actions, their protests and
protestations, had no impact. But they did. They were the first squalls in a
steady drip, drip, drip that has eroded and is still eroding George Bush's
stature.

Monday, we got the latest: the key pre-war U.S. intelligence assessment of
Iraq's WMD capability was filled with qualifiers and doubts in the
classified version presented to Bush, White House officials, and the
Republican-led Congress, but those doubts were all stripped out of the
version that was made public. Blame that on the CIA. Drip, drip, drip. Among
other things, the arrogance of this White House has incensed so many
long-time Beltway hands in intelligence, the State Department, and other key
agencies that we've already had an unprecedented number of leaks the past
two years. There will be more and more of them, damning ones, as the
election draws near. There's much that we still don't know, and that the
White House has struggled mightily to prevent our finding out. But there are
people who know, people who were there, and we'll hear from more of them.

The Bush that ran in 2000 -- confident, charming -- would have an easy time
with the stoic and weathered Kerry. But in not only calling himself a
president of war, but using that mantle as his excuse for everything from
budgets running amok to drilling in ANWR, Bush is setting himself up for a
John Kerry buzzsaw. All Kerry needs do is be himself: a man who is not a
boat-rocker but does have a conscience, a man who took great personal risks
in time of war, a man whose decisions in the thick of battle turned out to
be heroic. Voters will see that John Kerry, and then look back at the
diminished, dissembling Dubya, a man loathed by many Americans and viewed
with rapidly growing skepticism or outright distrust by many others, a man
who has predicated the most radical and ethically corrupt administration in
memory on a thin tissue of rationalizations. And, with Colin Powell likely
gone, a man whose plans for the next four years could be even more radical
and unsettling than his last four.

Kerry is a wash. He neither inspires nor repulses. Bush is primarily running
against Bush. He'll lose.

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"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so
long as I'm the dictator." - GW Bush 12/18/2000.

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that
we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic
and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."
---Theodore Roosevelt

"I think all foreigners should stop interfering in the internal affairs of
Iraq."
-- Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz,

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User: "disciple"

Title: Re: President Kerry 24 Feb 2004 08:09:00 PM
Kerry was also a member of the secret society skull and bones, like Bush;
deaths head symbol on the SS caps in World war 2.
Kerry, I suspect, will just take orders from the same man that I suspect
Bush takes orders from - the Jesuit general.
Vatican spies are infiltrated throughout the Govt. and legal system.
Read about it in online book at this website:
http://www.chick.com/reading/books/153/153cont.asp
Antichrist system is rising up and taking hold, getting ready for the
antichrist coming to power.
The following quotes show just how far the churches of today have strayed
from the wisdom of their founding fathers.
Martin Luther
(1483-1546) (Lutheran)
"We here are of the conviction that the papacy is the seat of the true and
real Antichrist...personally I declare that I owe the Pope no other
obedience than that to Antichrist." (Aug. 18, 1520) Taken from "The
Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers," Vol. 2, pg. 121 by Froom.
John Calvin
(1509-1564) (Presbyterian)
"Some persons think us too severe and censorious when we call the Roman
pontiff Antichrist. But those who are of this opinion do not consider that
they bring the same charge of presumption against Paul himself, after whom
we speak and whose language we adopt...I shall briefly show that (Paul's
words in II Thess. 2) are not capable of any other interpretation than that
which applies them to the Papacy." Taken from "Institutes" by John Calvin.
Cotton Mather
(1663-1728) (Congregational Theologian)
"The oracles of God foretold the rising of an Antichrist in the Christian
Church; and in the Pope of Rome, all the characteristics of that Antichrist
are so marvelously answered that if any who read the Scriptures do not see
it, there is a marvelous blindness upon them." Taken from "The Fall of
Babylon" by Cotton Mather in Froom's book "The Prophetic Faith of Our
Fathers," Vol. 3, pg. 113.
John Knox
(1505-1572) (Scotch Presbyterian)
Knox wrote to abolish "that tyranny which the pope himself has for so many
ages exercised over the church" and that the pope should be recognized as
"the very antichrist, and son of perdition, of whom Paul speaks." Taken from
"The Zurich Letters" pg. 199 by John Knox.
Thomas Cranmer
(1489-1556) (Anglican)
"Whereof it followeth Rome to be the seat of antichrist, and the pope to be
very antichrist himself. I could prove the same by many other scriptures,
old writers, and strong reasons." (Referring to prophecies in Revelation and
Daniel.) Taken from "Works" by Cranmer, Vol. 1, pp. 6-7.
John Wesley
(1703-1791) (Methodist)
Speaking of the Papacy he said, "He is in an emphatical sense, the Man of
Sin, as he increases all manner of sin above measure. And he is, too,
properly styled the Son of Perdition, as he has caused the death of
numberless multitudes, both of his opposers and followers...He it is...that
exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is
worshiped...claiming the highest power, and highest honor...claiming the
prerogatives which belong to God alone." Taken from "Antichrist and His Ten
Kingdoms" by John Wesley, pg. 110.
Roger William
(1603-1683) (First Baptist Pastor in America)
He spoke of the Pope as "the pretended Vicar of Christ on earth, who sits as
God over the Temple of God, exalting himself not only above all that is
called God, but over the souls and consciences of all his vessals, yea over
the Spirit of Christ, over the Holy Spirit, yea, and God himself...speaking
against the God of heaven, thinking to changed times and laws: but he is the
son of perdition (II Thess. 2)." Taken from "The Prophetic Faith of Our
Fathers" by Froom, Vol. 3, pg. 52.
Quoted from GREAT PROPHECIES OF THE BIBLE by Woodrow.
©1984-2001 Chick Publications, Inc. All rights reserved
wacko jacko 2004 wrote in message
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Predisent Kerry !!!!!

I like the sound of that ;-)

Best,,,,,,,,

Uncle Wally

============================



"Gandalf Grey" <gandalfgrey@infectedmail.com> wrote in message

news:<402a867a$0$210$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>...

President Kerry
Geov Parrish - WorkingForChange.com

02.11.04 - Two weeks ago, I wrote -- in assessing the then-probable,
now-all-but-certain nomination of John Kerry as the Democratic

presidential

nominee, that "Bush would cream Kerry."

I was wrong. Sort of. Come next January, John Kerry will be the new
President of the United States.

My mistake was in assessing the ability of George W. Bush to run,
successfully, against John Kerry. That hasn't changed. But what I left

out

of the equation is that Bush must also run against himself. That is the

race

that will define November. And, as we've seen in these last few days,

when

Bush confronts himself, it's his prospects for a second term that lose.

Bush's unprecedented appearance on Meet the Press last Sunday was a
revelation to the political junkies who watch Sunday morning TV. We now
understand why this president has avoided news conferences that aren't
pre-scripted, or any other environments where hard questions might be

asked.

Put simply, he can't answer them.

The White House's best chances for November are to keep the president

under

wraps at all times. That won't be possible. The spectacle of a defensive,
evasive Dubya -- somewhere between the village idiot and a stubborn child
refusing to acknowledge a very big fib -- will be a revelation to a lot

more

Americans between now and November.

At this point, Bush's record leaves him vulnerable on countless fronts:

job

losses in the economy; the catastrophe that is our national health care
system (made far worse by his Medicare "fix"); the green light for
environmental rapaciousness and other forms of corporate malfeasance
(remember Enron, the one corporation most closely tied to Bush in 2000?);
and, always, tax cuts and handouts for his friends who least need them.

But

the steady drip, drip, drips that will undo this presidency are Iraq and
9-11 -- the very things that, a year ago, the White House was certain

would

guarantee its second term.

On Sunday, George Bush could not answer the question of why the United
States invaded Iraq, and why thousand have subsequently died, when there

was

no clear threat to U.S. security and when any number of other countries

are

also ruled by vile people. All he could do was fall back, time and again,

on

"context" and the fact that "terrorists with airplanes attacked us."

This is remarkably thin gruel. Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11. While

the

White House has had, finally, to awkwardly back down from its WMD claim,

it

also sold America on the ludicrous idea that Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda
were allies. Those questions are still to come -- and what Bush's dubious
Iraq/9-11 link brings up now is only that Osama bin Laden is still out
there. And that America's actions since 9-11 have inspired far more
anti-American hatred, and therefore far more fertile recruiting grounds

for

prospective anti-American terrorists, than ever existed pre-9-11. Bush

not

only declared this war; he lost it.

By excusing everything under the mantle of being a "wartime president,"

Bush

not only begs the question of where he was in the last war, but of who
declared this one. In literal terms, the United States has declared war

not

against any countries per se, but against a particular type of crime --

and

against 19 hijackers who are now, by definition, dead. We have been given

no

idea who we're fighting, no idea what victory would look like or when it
might ever come -- only self-serving assurances that the next several
decades' worth of U.S. leaders will be "wartime presidents." And, so,

Bush's

serving in that context ceases to be an excuse for his actions. If Bush's
definition of the situation is to be taken at face value, we will be

judging

all of our future leaders by these same "wartime" standards. And nobody

in

this country is about to give our political leaders a free pass for the

next

50 or 100 years (or four years) now that George Bush says we're at war.
Maybe Bush doesn't think America is a democracy any longer, but most of

the

rest of us do; we haven't decided, any of us, to set aside our

Constitution

or our common sense for a few generations just because ***** Cheney told

us

to.

In the immediate aftermath of 9/11 there is very little Bush did that Al
Gore, or John Kerry, or any Democratic president would not also have

done.

Domestic security would have been tightened; Afghanistan would almost
certainly have been invaded. At its leadership level, Democrats as well

as

Republicans are committed to notions of U.S. foreign policy that smack of
empire. Where Bush has diverged from that consensus is in the doctrine of
preemptive attack, his grandiose visions of redrawing maps to our liking,
and in manufacturing the case for an aggressive war almost unanimously
opposed by the rest of the world. What's worse, that war is subsequently
proving to have been a disaster for all but the stockholders of a few
well-connected companies and some newly enriched Iraqi exiles.

All this was written about, endlessly, here and in many other places, in

the

months leading up to the invasion. The huge number of Americans that

opposed

Bush's war may have despaired that their actions, their protests and
protestations, had no impact. But they did. They were the first squalls

in a

steady drip, drip, drip that has eroded and is still eroding George

Bush's

stature.

Monday, we got the latest: the key pre-war U.S. intelligence assessment

of

Iraq's WMD capability was filled with qualifiers and doubts in the
classified version presented to Bush, White House officials, and the
Republican-led Congress, but those doubts were all stripped out of the
version that was made public. Blame that on the CIA. Drip, drip, drip.

Among

other things, the arrogance of this White House has incensed so many
long-time Beltway hands in intelligence, the State Department, and other

key

agencies that we've already had an unprecedented number of leaks the past
two years. There will be more and more of them, damning ones, as the
election draws near. There's much that we still don't know, and that the
White House has struggled mightily to prevent our finding out. But there

are

people who know, people who were there, and we'll hear from more of them.

The Bush that ran in 2000 -- confident, charming -- would have an easy

time

with the stoic and weathered Kerry. But in not only calling himself a
president of war, but using that mantle as his excuse for everything from
budgets running amok to drilling in ANWR, Bush is setting himself up for

a

John Kerry buzzsaw. All Kerry needs do is be himself: a man who is not a
boat-rocker but does have a conscience, a man who took great personal

risks

in time of war, a man whose decisions in the thick of battle turned out

to

be heroic. Voters will see that John Kerry, and then look back at the
diminished, dissembling Dubya, a man loathed by many Americans and viewed
with rapidly growing skepticism or outright distrust by many others, a

man

who has predicated the most radical and ethically corrupt administration

in

memory on a thin tissue of rationalizations. And, with Colin Powell

likely

gone, a man whose plans for the next four years could be even more

radical

and unsettling than his last four.

Kerry is a wash. He neither inspires nor repulses. Bush is primarily

running

against Bush. He'll lose.

(c) Working Assets Online. All rights reserved.


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"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so
long as I'm the dictator." - GW Bush 12/18/2000.

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that
we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic
and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."
---Theodore Roosevelt

"I think all foreigners should stop interfering in the internal affairs

of

Iraq."
-- Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz,

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User: "Dan"

Title: Re: President Kerry 24 Feb 2004 11:08:06 PM
"disciple" wrote;
Kerry was also a member of the secret society skull and bones,
like Bush;

deaths head symbol on the SS caps in World war 2.
Kerry, I suspect, will just take orders from the same man that

I suspect

Bush takes orders from - the Jesuit general.
Vatican spies are infiltrated throughout the Govt. and legal

system.

Read about it in online book at this website:
http://www.chick.com/reading/books/153/153cont.asp
Antichrist system is rising up and taking hold, getting ready

for the

antichrist coming to power.

I think you're right, overall. Not too sure about exactly how the
said Jesuit general fits in with both Bush and Kerry at the same
time while Vatican spies are all over the place, as you esteem it
quite correctly. Maybe, just maybe, the Pope himself, Vicarius
Vicelllius Lucifierus, St. Malachy's final Pope, will be able to
prevent that horrible abomination, that heresy, that big pustule
of oozing pusbag of Antichrist coming. We gonna put that
sonofabitch on ice and bag his mofo ***** to Boston.
But, we can only pray, brother. Amen? Keep writing, I'm
listening, dude.
Dan


The following quotes show just how far the churches of today

have strayed

from the wisdom of their founding fathers.
Martin Luther
(1483-1546) (Lutheran)

"We here are of the conviction that the papacy is the seat of

the true and

real Antichrist...personally I declare that I owe the Pope no

other

obedience than that to Antichrist." (Aug. 18, 1520) Taken from

"The

Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers," Vol. 2, pg. 121 by Froom.
John Calvin
(1509-1564) (Presbyterian)

"Some persons think us too severe and censorious when we call

the Roman

pontiff Antichrist. But those who are of this opinion do not

consider that

they bring the same charge of presumption against Paul himself,

after whom

we speak and whose language we adopt...I shall briefly show

that (Paul's

words in II Thess. 2) are not capable of any other

interpretation than that

which applies them to the Papacy." Taken from "Institutes" by

John Calvin.

Cotton Mather
(1663-1728) (Congregational Theologian)

"The oracles of God foretold the rising of an Antichrist in the

Christian

Church; and in the Pope of Rome, all the characteristics of

that Antichrist

are so marvelously answered that if any who read the Scriptures

do not see

it, there is a marvelous blindness upon them." Taken from "The

Fall of

Babylon" by Cotton Mather in Froom's book "The Prophetic Faith

of Our

Fathers," Vol. 3, pg. 113.
John Knox
(1505-1572) (Scotch Presbyterian)

Knox wrote to abolish "that tyranny which the pope himself has

for so many

ages exercised over the church" and that the pope should be

recognized as

"the very antichrist, and son of perdition, of whom Paul

speaks." Taken from

"The Zurich Letters" pg. 199 by John Knox.
Thomas Cranmer
(1489-1556) (Anglican)

"Whereof it followeth Rome to be the seat of antichrist, and

the pope to be

very antichrist himself. I could prove the same by many other

scriptures,

old writers, and strong reasons." (Referring to prophecies in

Revelation and

Daniel.) Taken from "Works" by Cranmer, Vol. 1, pp. 6-7.
John Wesley
(1703-1791) (Methodist)

Speaking of the Papacy he said, "He is in an emphatical sense,

the Man of

Sin, as he increases all manner of sin above measure. And he

is, too,

properly styled the Son of Perdition, as he has caused the

death of

numberless multitudes, both of his opposers and followers...He

it is...that

exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is
worshiped...claiming the highest power, and highest

honor...claiming the

prerogatives which belong to God alone." Taken from "Antichrist

and His Ten

Kingdoms" by John Wesley, pg. 110.
Roger William
(1603-1683) (First Baptist Pastor in America)

He spoke of the Pope as "the pretended Vicar of Christ on

earth, who sits as

God over the Temple of God, exalting himself not only above all

that is

called God, but over the souls and consciences of all his

vessals, yea over

the Spirit of Christ, over the Holy Spirit, yea, and God

himself...speaking

against the God of heaven, thinking to changed times and laws:

but he is the

son of perdition (II Thess. 2)." Taken from "The Prophetic

Faith of Our

Fathers" by Froom, Vol. 3, pg. 52.
Quoted from GREAT PROPHECIES OF THE BIBLE by Woodrow.
©1984-2001 Chick Publications, Inc. All rights reserved


wacko jacko 2004 wrote in message
<4ef6e559.0402112048.45afddf4@posting.google.com>...

Predisent Kerry !!!!!

I like the sound of that ;-)

Best,,,,,,,,

Uncle Wally

============================



"Gandalf Grey" <gandalfgrey@infectedmail.com> wrote in message

news:<402a867a$0$210$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>...

President Kerry
Geov Parrish - WorkingForChange.com

02.11.04 - Two weeks ago, I wrote -- in assessing the

then-probable,

now-all-but-certain nomination of John Kerry as the

Democratic

presidential

nominee, that "Bush would cream Kerry."

I was wrong. Sort of. Come next January, John Kerry will be

the new

President of the United States.

My mistake was in assessing the ability of George W. Bush to

run,

successfully, against John Kerry. That hasn't changed. But

what I left

out

of the equation is that Bush must also run against himself.

That is the

race

that will define November. And, as we've seen in these last

few days,

when

Bush confronts himself, it's his prospects for a second term

that lose.


Bush's unprecedented appearance on Meet the Press last

Sunday was a

revelation to the political junkies who watch Sunday morning

TV. We now

understand why this president has avoided news conferences

that aren't

pre-scripted, or any other environments where hard questions

might be

asked.

Put simply, he can't answer them.

The White House's best chances for November are to keep the

president

under

wraps at all times. That won't be possible. The spectacle of

a defensive,

evasive Dubya -- somewhere between the village idiot and a

stubborn child

refusing to acknowledge a very big fib -- will be a

revelation to a lot

more

Americans between now and November.

At this point, Bush's record leaves him vulnerable on

countless fronts:

job

losses in the economy; the catastrophe that is our national

health care

system (made far worse by his Medicare "fix"); the green

light for

environmental rapaciousness and other forms of corporate

malfeasance

(remember Enron, the one corporation most closely tied to

Bush in 2000?);

and, always, tax cuts and handouts for his friends who least

need them.

But

the steady drip, drip, drips that will undo this presidency

are Iraq and

9-11 -- the very things that, a year ago, the White House

was certain

would

guarantee its second term.

On Sunday, George Bush could not answer the question of why

the United

States invaded Iraq, and why thousand have subsequently

died, when there

was

no clear threat to U.S. security and when any number of

other countries

are

also ruled by vile people. All he could do was fall back,

time and again,

on

"context" and the fact that "terrorists with airplanes

attacked us."


This is remarkably thin gruel. Iraq had nothing to do with

9-11. While

the

White House has had, finally, to awkwardly back down from

its WMD claim,

it

also sold America on the ludicrous idea that Saddam Hussein

and al-Qaeda

were allies. Those questions are still to come -- and what

Bush's dubious

Iraq/9-11 link brings up now is only that Osama bin Laden is

still out

there. And that America's actions since 9-11 have inspired

far more

anti-American hatred, and therefore far more fertile

recruiting grounds

for

prospective anti-American terrorists, than ever existed

pre-9-11. Bush

not

only declared this war; he lost it.

By excusing everything under the mantle of being a "wartime

president,"

Bush

not only begs the question of where he was in the last war,

but of who

declared this one. In literal terms, the United States has

declared war

not

against any countries per se, but against a particular type

of crime --

and

against 19 hijackers who are now, by definition, dead. We

have been given

no

idea who we're fighting, no idea what victory would look

like or when it

might ever come -- only self-serving assurances that the

next several

decades' worth of U.S. leaders will be "wartime presidents."

And, so,

Bush's

serving in that context ceases to be an excuse for his

actions. If Bush's

definition of the situation is to be taken at face value, we

will be

judging

all of our future leaders by these same "wartime" standards.

And nobody

in

this country is about to give our political leaders a free

pass for the

next

50 or 100 years (or four years) now that George Bush says

we're at war.

Maybe Bush doesn't think America is a democracy any longer,

but most of

the

rest of us do; we haven't decided, any of us, to set aside

our

Constitution

or our common sense for a few generations just because *****

Cheney told

us

to.

In the immediate aftermath of 9/11 there is very little Bush

did that Al

Gore, or John Kerry, or any Democratic president would not

also have

done.

Domestic security would have been tightened; Afghanistan

would almost

certainly have been invaded. At its leadership level,

Democrats as well

as

Republicans are committed to notions of U.S. foreign policy

that smack of

empire. Where Bush has diverged from that consensus is in

the doctrine of

preemptive attack, his grandiose visions of redrawing maps

to our liking,

and in manufacturing the case for an aggressive war almost

unanimously

opposed by the rest of the world. What's worse, that war is

subsequently

proving to have been a disaster for all but the stockholders

of a few

well-connected companies and some newly enriched Iraqi

exiles.


All this was written about, endlessly, here and in many

other places, in

the

months leading up to the invasion. The huge number of

Americans that

opposed

Bush's war may have despaired that their actions, their

protests and

protestations, had no impact. But they did. They were the

first squalls

in a

steady drip, drip, drip that has eroded and is still eroding

George

Bush's

stature.

Monday, we got the latest: the key pre-war U.S. intelligence

assessment

of

Iraq's WMD capability was filled with qualifiers and doubts

in the

classified version presented to Bush, White House officials,

and the

Republican-led Congress, but those doubts were all stripped

out of the

version that was made public. Blame that on the CIA. Drip,

drip, drip.

Among

other things, the arrogance of this White House has incensed

so many

long-time Beltway hands in intelligence, the State

Department, and other

key

agencies that we've already had an unprecedented number of

leaks the past

two years. There will be more and more of them, damning

ones, as the

election draws near. There's much that we still don't know,

and that the

White House has struggled mightily to prevent our finding

out. But there

are

people who know, people who were there, and we'll hear from

more of them.


The Bush that ran in 2000 -- confident, charming -- would

have an easy

time

with the stoic and weathered Kerry. But in not only calling

himself a

president of war, but using that mantle as his excuse for

everything from

budgets running amok to drilling in ANWR, Bush is setting

himself up for

a

John Kerry buzzsaw. All Kerry needs do is be himself: a man

who is not a

boat-rocker but does have a conscience, a man who took great

personal

risks

in time of war, a man whose decisions in the thick of battle

turned out

to

be heroic. Voters will see that John Kerry, and then look

back at the

diminished, dissembling Dubya, a man loathed by many

Americans and viewed

with rapidly growing skepticism or outright distrust by many

others, a

man

who has predicated the most radical and ethically corrupt

administration

in

memory on a thin tissue of rationalizations. And, with Colin

Powell

likely

gone, a man whose plans for the next four years could be

even more

radical

and unsettling than his last four.

Kerry is a wash. He neither inspires nor repulses. Bush is

primarily

running

against Bush. He'll lose.

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User: "Ray Michael OKeeffe"

Title: Re: President Kerry 25 Feb 2004 09:07:28 PM
"Dan" <twotrickpony@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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"disciple" wrote;

Kerry was also a member of the secret society skull and bones,
like Bush;

deaths head symbol on the SS caps in World war 2.
Kerry, I suspect, will just take orders from the same man that

I suspect

Bush takes orders from - the Jesuit general.
Vatican spies are infiltrated throughout the Govt. and legal

system.

Read about it in online book at this website:
http://www.chick.com/reading/books/153/153cont.asp
Antichrist system is rising up and taking hold, getting ready

for the

antichrist coming to power.


I think you're right, overall. Not too sure about exactly how the
said Jesuit general fits in with both Bush and Kerry at the same
time while Vatican spies are all over the place, as you esteem it
quite correctly. Maybe, just maybe, the Pope himself, Vicarius
Vicelllius Lucifierus, St. Malachy's final Pope, will be able to
prevent that horrible abomination, that heresy, that big pustule
of oozing pusbag of Antichrist coming. We gonna put that
sonofabitch on ice and bag his mofo ***** to Boston.

But, we can only pray, brother. Amen? Keep writing, I'm
listening, dude.

Dan

Why do you want to try and stop the prophecy of God about the Anti Christ?
For it all must happen as has been foretold as God's word. I personally
would vote the anti christ into power, precisely because I knew he was the
anti christ, in order to get it over and done with. But I won't get a vote,
for Australia will not have the "beasts" (there is more than one) here, it
will be in Europe and America.
However, many will vote for him thinking he is a man of God doing God's
will. Until all the murder he does becomes self evident to not be of God.
The difference between the Anti Christ and the True Christ in dealing with
their enemies, will be that the breath of Jesus will slay His enemies. The
Anti Christ will use the physical tools.
--
Peace and Love
Jesus is Lord
The signs of the beast are here now!
Pointing to Jesus return!
www.id-chip.4t.com
God foreknew I would do these things from curiosity to know more.
www.id-chip.4t.com/personalsummary.htm
Ray Michael O'Keeffe
raymokeeffe@888hotmail.com
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User: "Anonymoose Ihatespam"

Title: Re: President Kerry 26 Feb 2004 12:21:48 PM
Wow, so many nuts in such a small bag.
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User: "Saint Isidore of Laytonville"

Title: Re: President Kerry 24 Feb 2004 10:00:16 PM
How many hits do you need there dude?
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