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"Jean Guernon" |
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04 Jul 2004 07:42:06 PM |
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Re: Re : Critics denounce Army's involuntary troop call-up plan |
That's the sort of outcome they had to expect in times of war, that is
what they were engaging to when they signed. ***** the critics.
J.
grub@internet.charitydays.uk.co a écrit:
Critics denounce Army's involuntary troop call-up plan
By Will Dunham, Reuters | June 30, 2004
WASHINGTON -- The US Army defended its plan yesterday to mobilize
involuntarily 5,600 retired or discharged soldiers as nothing "new or
unusual," but critics said it undermines the concept of an
all-volunteer military.
The soldiers -- about 300 of whom come from New England -- will be
summoned from the Individual Ready Reserve, a seldom-tapped pool of
111,000 people who remain eligible to be called to active duty for
eight years after completing their voluntary Army service commitment.
Army officials said these soldiers will be deployed this year to Iraq
and Afghanistan to fill shortages in specific jobs such as military
police and civil affairs.
"It's a management tool which we've always had available to augment
our forces when we need additional personnel in a time of war," said
Lieutenant Colonel Pamela Hart, an Army spokeswoman at the Pentagon.
"This is nothing that's new or unusual."
The move is the latest sign of the strain on the military as the
Pentagon struggles to maintain a larger-than-expected force of 138,000
in Iraq through the end of 2005 amid a fierce insurgency.
Hart said the last such involuntary mobilization came during the 1991
Gulf War. Such a deployment also occurred in 1968 during the Vietnam
War.
The Army has previously said it would prohibit tens of thousands of
soldiers designated to serve in Iraq and Afghanistan from leaving the
service when their volunteer commitment ends.
This "stop-loss" order means soldiers who otherwise could have
retired, starting 90 days before being sent, will be compelled to
remain to the end of a yearlong deployment and up to another 90 days
after returning to their home base. Some may remain in the Army up to
18 months beyond their original departure date.
Rand Beers, national security adviser to Democratic presidential
candidate John Kerry, said: "The fact is that this involuntary call-up
is a direct result of the Bush administration's diplomatic failure to
get real international help in Iraq." Kerry has called the stop-loss
order a "backdoor draft."
Retired Army Colonel Andrew Bacevich, a Boston University
international relations professor, worried about damage to the concept
of a volunteer military.
"These are people who used to be soldiers and no longer are," Bacevich
said of those called from the Individual Ready Reserve. "The informal
contract -- the one as understood by soldiers regardless of what they
actually signed -- is that I have volunteered for a certain period of
time. And once that time is up, then the choice returns to me to
decide either to continue my service or to opt out. What the Bush
administration is doing is just shredding that informal contract."
Bacevich said current service members may feel as though they have
been treated unfairly and potential volunteers may have second
thoughts.
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| User: "Zippy the Pinhead" |
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| Title: Re: Re : Critics denounce Army's involuntary troop call-up plan |
07 Jul 2004 03:40:21 PM |
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On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 00:42:06 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
That's the sort of outcome they had to expect in times of war, that is
what they were engaging to when they signed.
I was always amazed by my fellow Reservists who joined for the bonus,
or for "money for college", who didn't believe that they got called up
in '90-91. One moron actually was making a case that the Navy
couldn't possibly send him to the desert because he had fair skin.
They didn't read their Oath very carefully.
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| User: "Jean Guernon" |
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| Title: Re: Re : Critics denounce Army's involuntary troop call-up plan |
08 Jul 2004 05:48:53 PM |
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Zippy the Pinhead a écrit:
On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 00:42:06 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
That's the sort of outcome they had to expect in times of war, that is
what they were engaging to when they signed.
I was always amazed by my fellow Reservists who joined for the bonus,
or for "money for college", who didn't believe that they got called up
in '90-91. One moron actually was making a case that the Navy
couldn't possibly send him to the desert because he had fair skin.
They didn't read their Oath very carefully.
What? No provision for fair skinned recruits? LOL
J.
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| User: "tw" |
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| Title: Re: Re : Critics denounce Army's involuntary troop call-up plan |
09 Jul 2004 02:04:43 AM |
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"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:pbkHc.19233241$Id.3173712@news.easynews.com...
Zippy the Pinhead a écrit:
On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 00:42:06 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
That's the sort of outcome they had to expect in times of war, that is
what they were engaging to when they signed.
I was always amazed by my fellow Reservists who joined for the bonus,
or for "money for college", who didn't believe that they got called up
in '90-91. One moron actually was making a case that the Navy
couldn't possibly send him to the desert because he had fair skin.
They didn't read their Oath very carefully.
What? No provision for fair skinned recruits? LOL
J.
Hey Jean! Tell us how you served the Marines by running out of the
recruiters office at the first opportunity again! That's always good for a
laugh..
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| User: "Jean Guernon" |
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| Title: Re: Re : Critics denounce Army's involuntary troop call-up plan |
09 Jul 2004 02:51:57 AM |
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I never said I served the Marines. That you and your butt buddy twisted
what I was saying is typical only of one thing, your utter dishonesty
and irrelevancy on a prophecies NG.
J.
tw a écrit:
"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:pbkHc.19233241$Id.3173712@news.easynews.com...
Zippy the Pinhead a écrit:
On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 00:42:06 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
That's the sort of outcome they had to expect in times of war, that is
what they were engaging to when they signed.
I was always amazed by my fellow Reservists who joined for the bonus,
or for "money for college", who didn't believe that they got called up
in '90-91. One moron actually was making a case that the Navy
couldn't possibly send him to the desert because he had fair skin.
They didn't read their Oath very carefully.
What? No provision for fair skinned recruits? LOL
J.
Hey Jean! Tell us how you served the Marines by running out of the
recruiters office at the first opportunity again! That's always good for a
laugh..
.
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| User: "tw" |
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| Title: Re: Re : Critics denounce Army's involuntary troop call-up plan |
09 Jul 2004 08:12:10 AM |
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"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:x8sHc.323524$ef4.37930@news.easynews.com...
I never said I served the Marines.
Ah, but you did - claimed you "served by not serving" (which I agree with,
having an incompetent bigot like you in the ranks wouldn't have helped them
much) Unlike you, I can back this up with a cite:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl984171863d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&c2c
off=1&selm=3EC6E716.9AA20EC4%40globetrotter.net&rnum=41
"Me I went voluntarily and that was in the days of
Vietnam. Everybody else there was drafted. By the time I was accepted in
the Marines, everyone who was there had convinced me I was crazy to
volunteer, it was obvious for those who fought themselves that this
wasn't a legit defense of the US. ***So I served by not serving****"
That you and your butt buddy
Who's that then?
twisted
what I was saying is typical only of one thing, your utter dishonesty
But Jean! I can back up MY accusations with quotes, you have never been able
to do that yourself. Which of us is the dishonest one again? LOL
and irrelevancy on a prophecies NG.
J.
tw a écrit:
"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:pbkHc.19233241$Id.3173712@news.easynews.com...
Zippy the Pinhead a écrit:
On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 00:42:06 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
That's the sort of outcome they had to expect in times of war, that is
what they were engaging to when they signed.
I was always amazed by my fellow Reservists who joined for the bonus,
or for "money for college", who didn't believe that they got called up
in '90-91. One moron actually was making a case that the Navy
couldn't possibly send him to the desert because he had fair skin.
They didn't read their Oath very carefully.
What? No provision for fair skinned recruits? LOL
J.
Hey Jean! Tell us how you served the Marines by running out of the
recruiters office at the first opportunity again! That's always good for
a
laugh..
.
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| User: "Jean Guernon" |
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| Title: Re: Re : Critics denounce Army's involuntary troop call-up plan |
09 Jul 2004 09:26:35 PM |
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YOU!
Again I never said I served the Marines. I clearly don't say that I
served the marines. I went back and stayed in Canada. I am a Canadian,
not an American. I may have served the Americans by not serving, becasue
it is what the majority of them were thinking. Even Kerry.
J.
tw a écrit:
"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:x8sHc.323524$ef4.37930@news.easynews.com...
I never said I served the Marines.
Ah, but you did - claimed you "served by not serving" (which I agree with,
having an incompetent bigot like you in the ranks wouldn't have helped them
much) Unlike you, I can back this up with a cite:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl984171863d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&c2c
off=1&selm=3EC6E716.9AA20EC4%40globetrotter.net&rnum=41
"Me I went voluntarily and that was in the days of
Vietnam. Everybody else there was drafted. By the time I was accepted in
the Marines, everyone who was there had convinced me I was crazy to
volunteer, it was obvious for those who fought themselves that this
wasn't a legit defense of the US. ***So I served by not serving****"
That you and your butt buddy
Who's that then?
twisted
what I was saying is typical only of one thing, your utter dishonesty
But Jean! I can back up MY accusations with quotes, you have never been able
to do that yourself. Which of us is the dishonest one again? LOL
and irrelevancy on a prophecies NG.
J.
tw a écrit:
"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:pbkHc.19233241$Id.3173712@news.easynews.com...
Zippy the Pinhead a écrit:
On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 00:42:06 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
That's the sort of outcome they had to expect in times of war, that is
what they were engaging to when they signed.
I was always amazed by my fellow Reservists who joined for the bonus,
or for "money for college", who didn't believe that they got called up
in '90-91. One moron actually was making a case that the Navy
couldn't possibly send him to the desert because he had fair skin.
They didn't read their Oath very carefully.
What? No provision for fair skinned recruits? LOL
J.
Hey Jean! Tell us how you served the Marines by running out of the
recruiters office at the first opportunity again! That's always good for
a
laugh..
.
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| User: "Jean Guernon" |
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| Title: Re: Re : Critics denounce Army's involuntary troop call-up plan |
09 Jul 2004 09:10:44 PM |
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YOU!
J.
tw a écrit:
"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:x8sHc.323524$ef4.37930@news.easynews.com...
I never said I served the Marines.
Ah, but you did - claimed you "served by not serving" (which I agree with,
having an incompetent bigot like you in the ranks wouldn't have helped them
much) Unlike you, I can back this up with a cite:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl984171863d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&c2c
off=1&selm=3EC6E716.9AA20EC4%40globetrotter.net&rnum=41
"Me I went voluntarily and that was in the days of
Vietnam. Everybody else there was drafted. By the time I was accepted in
the Marines, everyone who was there had convinced me I was crazy to
volunteer, it was obvious for those who fought themselves that this
wasn't a legit defense of the US. ***So I served by not serving****"
That you and your butt buddy
Who's that then?
twisted
what I was saying is typical only of one thing, your utter dishonesty
But Jean! I can back up MY accusations with quotes, you have never been able
to do that yourself. Which of us is the dishonest one again? LOL
and irrelevancy on a prophecies NG.
J.
tw a écrit:
"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:pbkHc.19233241$Id.3173712@news.easynews.com...
Zippy the Pinhead a écrit:
On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 00:42:06 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
That's the sort of outcome they had to expect in times of war, that is
what they were engaging to when they signed.
I was always amazed by my fellow Reservists who joined for the bonus,
or for "money for college", who didn't believe that they got called up
in '90-91. One moron actually was making a case that the Navy
couldn't possibly send him to the desert because he had fair skin.
They didn't read their Oath very carefully.
What? No provision for fair skinned recruits? LOL
J.
Hey Jean! Tell us how you served the Marines by running out of the
recruiters office at the first opportunity again! That's always good for
a
laugh..
.
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