On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 21:36:54 +0000, Don Swayser <swayser@optonline.net>
wrote in message news:<40E726BA.8050706@optonline.net>:
Much of this is outright lies. Warrants are still required for almost
all activities such as monitoring communications and searches. Many of
these criticisms were also made against the RICO statute and to date
there have been so few abuses of the statute I've never personally heard
of one. The opposition to the Patriot Act come from those who oppose
America defending itself, mostly idiot liberals and ACLU types
attempting to discredit the Bush administration.
"Naturally, the common people don't want war, but after all, it is
the leaders of a country who determine the policy and it is always a
simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy or a
fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice
or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the
leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being
attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing
the country to danger. It works the same in every country."
--Hermann Goering, Hitler's Reich-Marshall
at the Nuremberg Trials after WWII
--
Lurlean Lie #2:
you're evil and go to orgy's [sic] all the time.
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03 Jul 2004 11:37:13 PM |
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"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.07.04.00.22.36.672849@postini.spamcon.org...
On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 21:36:54 +0000, Don Swayser <swayser@optonline.net>
wrote in message news:<40E726BA.8050706@optonline.net>:
Much of this is outright lies. Warrants are still required for almost
all activities such as monitoring communications and searches. Many of
these criticisms were also made against the RICO statute and to date
there have been so few abuses of the statute I've never personally heard
of one. The opposition to the Patriot Act come from those who oppose
America defending itself, mostly idiot liberals and ACLU types
attempting to discredit the Bush administration.
"Naturally, the common people don't want war, but after all, it is
the leaders of a country who determine the policy and it is always a
simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy or a
fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice
or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the
leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being
attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing
the country to danger. It works the same in every country."
What is also true in every country, if appeasers are allowed to have there
way you end up the way most of Europe did in the early 1940's. At that point
in time someone has to stand up and stop appeasment and come to the rescue
of the weak and cowardly. Unfortunately more people seem to die then would
have if aggressors had been stopped early on.
Let me futher point out that while we stopprd Hitler, old JOe Stalin was
allowed to go on his murderous way killing close to thirty million
people.You may not think so but their are evil people in the world and like
it or not they have to be stopped. Otherwise you will live under their boot
heel as eastern europe did for close to forty years.
--Hermann Goering, Hitler's Reich-Marshall
at the Nuremberg Trials after WWII
--
Lurlean Lie #2:
you're evil and go to orgy's [sic] all the time.
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| User: "Bill Baker" |
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04 Jul 2004 06:40:50 AM |
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On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 23:37:13 -0500, "E.E.Bud Keith" <budk101@comcast.net>
wrote in message news:<n62dnUHc8MHeF3rdRVn-jA@comcast.com>:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.07.04.00.22.36.672849@postini.spamcon.org...
On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 21:36:54 +0000, Don Swayser <swayser@optonline.net>
wrote in message news:<40E726BA.8050706@optonline.net>:
Much of this is outright lies. Warrants are still required for almost
all activities such as monitoring communications and searches. Many of
these criticisms were also made against the RICO statute and to date
there have been so few abuses of the statute I've never personally heard
of one. The opposition to the Patriot Act come from those who oppose
America defending itself, mostly idiot liberals and ACLU types
attempting to discredit the Bush administration.
"Naturally, the common people don't want war, but after all, it is
the leaders of a country who determine the policy and it is always a
simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy or a
fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice
or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the
leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being
attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing
the country to danger. It works the same in every country."
What is also true in every country, if appeasers are allowed to have there
way you end up the way most of Europe did in the early 1940's. At that point
in time someone has to stand up and stop appeasment and come to the rescue
of the weak and cowardly. Unfortunately more people seem to die then would
have if aggressors had been stopped early on.
Let me futher point out that while we stopprd Hitler, old JOe Stalin was
allowed to go on his murderous way killing close to thirty million
people.You may not think so but their are evil people in the world and like
it or not they have to be stopped. Otherwise you will live under their boot
heel as eastern europe did for close to forty years.
That's true, but Iraq was never a threat to us. No WMDs were ever found,
and I'll bet none ever will be. Let's face it, if Bush had put as much
effort into finding Osama bin Laden as he did in finding Saddam Hussein,
he would have found him at least a year ago.
--
"You'd KILL me if you could - I know it."
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04 Jul 2004 08:36:39 AM |
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"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.07.04.11.41.28.307244@postini.spamcon.org...
On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 23:37:13 -0500, "E.E.Bud Keith" <budk101@comcast.net>
wrote in message news:<n62dnUHc8MHeF3rdRVn-jA@comcast.com>:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.07.04.00.22.36.672849@postini.spamcon.org...
On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 21:36:54 +0000, Don Swayser <swayser@optonline.net>
wrote in message news:<40E726BA.8050706@optonline.net>:
Much of this is outright lies. Warrants are still required for almost
all activities such as monitoring communications and searches. Many
of
these criticisms were also made against the RICO statute and to date
there have been so few abuses of the statute I've never personally
heard
of one. The opposition to the Patriot Act come from those who oppose
America defending itself, mostly idiot liberals and ACLU types
attempting to discredit the Bush administration.
"Naturally, the common people don't want war, but after all, it is
the leaders of a country who determine the policy and it is always a
simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy or a
fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.
Voice
or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the
leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being
attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and
exposing
the country to danger. It works the same in every country."
What is also true in every country, if appeasers are allowed to have
there
way you end up the way most of Europe did in the early 1940's. At that
point
in time someone has to stand up and stop appeasment and come to the
rescue
of the weak and cowardly. Unfortunately more people seem to die then
would
have if aggressors had been stopped early on.
Let me futher point out that while we stopprd Hitler, old JOe Stalin was
allowed to go on his murderous way killing close to thirty million
people.You may not think so but their are evil people in the world and
like
it or not they have to be stopped. Otherwise you will live under their
boot
heel as eastern europe did for close to forty years.
That's true, but Iraq was never a threat to us.
True the average citizen of Iraq was no threat to us. But Saddam was. And
the war was about getting Saddam.
No WMDs were ever found,
Caches of chemical weapons are slowly being found.
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04 Jul 2004 04:39:05 PM |
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"Dana" <#$%@%$#.com> wrote in message news:<df94d36e2cb46d9b7934ce2b5df2c35f@news.meganetnews.com>...
True the average citizen of Iraq was no threat to us. But Saddam was. And
the war was about getting Saddam.
Nope. Bin Laden was/still is the threat.
No WMDs were ever found,
Caches of chemical weapons are slowly being found.
Nope again. Squat, nada:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A24403-2004Jul2.html
If there any real WMD's found, they will all turn out
to be a few -- at best -- random leftover/forgotten
shells from Iraq's fights with Iran and the Kurds.
And as far as the Patriot Act goes, good old Ben
Franklin once said something very applicable:
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase
a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor
safety."
-BC
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04 Jul 2004 04:54:25 PM |
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"BC" <bconneely@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Dana" <#$%@%$#.com> wrote in message
news:<df94d36e2cb46d9b7934ce2b5df2c35f@news.meganetnews.com>...
True the average citizen of Iraq was no threat to us. But Saddam was.
And
the war was about getting Saddam.
Nope.
Yep.
No WMDs were ever found,
Caches of chemical weapons are slowly being found.
Nope
Yep.
Slap a leftist for freedom and liberty.
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| User: "Find Jesus" |
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04 Jul 2004 05:48:55 PM |
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"Dana" <#$%@%$#.com> wrote
Slap a leftist for freedom and liberty.
Jesus: "Ouch!"
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04 Jul 2004 05:58:50 PM |
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"Dana" <#$%@%$#.com> wrote in message
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"BC" <bconneely@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Dana" <#$%@%$#.com> wrote in message
news:<df94d36e2cb46d9b7934ce2b5df2c35f@news.meganetnews.com>...
True the average citizen of Iraq was no threat to us. But Saddam was.
And
the war was about getting Saddam.
Nope.
Yep.
No WMDs were ever found,
Caches of chemical weapons are slowly being found.
Nope
Yep.
Slap a leftist for freedom and liberty.
Slap this one for a black eye and a little nappy.
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| User: "Dana" |
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04 Jul 2004 08:32:48 PM |
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"David Galehouse" <AndyG@cinci.rr.com> wrote in message
news:KY%Fc.184193$DG4.161392@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
"Dana" <#$%@%$#.com> wrote in message
news:17ad6102e65a5baf9adb93d67cd2d3a6@news.meganetnews.com...
"BC" <bconneely@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:dba7d68e.0407041339.4d25530a@posting.google.com...
"Dana" <#$%@%$#.com> wrote in message
news:<df94d36e2cb46d9b7934ce2b5df2c35f@news.meganetnews.com>...
True the average citizen of Iraq was no threat to us. But Saddam
was.
And
the war was about getting Saddam.
Nope.
Yep.
No WMDs were ever found,
Caches of chemical weapons are slowly being found.
Nope
Yep.
Slap a leftist for freedom and liberty.
Slap this one for a black eye and a little nappy.
Highly unlikely that you can do anything like that. More than likely you
would go running home to Mom. Leftists are incapable of taking care of
themselves, which is why they need and crave government, especially
socialist/fascist forms of government.
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| User: "Bill Baker" |
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05 Jul 2004 04:39:50 AM |
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"Dana" <#$%@%$#.com> wrote in message
news:<02ca7db54e77c4a4c863d6bcc95477c6@news.meganetnews.com>...
"David Galehouse" <AndyG@cinci.rr.com> wrote in message
news:KY%Fc.184193$DG4.161392@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
"Dana" <#$%@%$#.com> wrote in message
news:17ad6102e65a5baf9adb93d67cd2d3a6@news.meganetnews.com...
"BC" <bconneely@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:dba7d68e.0407041339.4d25530a@posting.google.com...
"Dana" <#$%@%$#.com> wrote in message
news:<df94d36e2cb46d9b7934ce2b5df2c35f@news.meganetnews.com>...
True the average citizen of Iraq was no threat to us. But Saddam was.
And the war was about getting Saddam.
Nope.
Yep.
No WMDs were ever found,
Caches of chemical weapons are slowly being found.
Nope
Yep.
Slap a leftist for freedom and liberty.
Slap this one for a black eye and a little nappy.
Highly unlikely that you can do anything like that. More than likely you
would go running home to Mom. Leftists are incapable of taking care of
themselves, which is why they need and crave government, especially
socialist/fascist forms of government.
You just keep telling yourself that.
"Naturally, the common people don't want war, but after all, it is
the leaders of a country who determine the policy and it is always a
simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy or a
fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice
or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the
leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being
attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing
the country to danger. It works the same in every country."
--Hermann Goering, Hitler's Reich-Marshall
at the Nuremberg Trials after WWII
--
Funny Sister Lurlean quote #22:
"Only the devil's get any, and their old spunk is red hot and stinky!"
--Lurlean's report on the sexual habits of the Prince of Darkness
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05 Jul 2004 06:16:29 AM |
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"Dana" <#$%@%$#.com> wrote in message
news:02ca7db54e77c4a4c863d6bcc95477c6@news.meganetnews.com...
"David Galehouse" <AndyG@cinci.rr.com> wrote in message
news:KY%Fc.184193$DG4.161392@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
"Dana" <#$%@%$#.com> wrote in message
news:17ad6102e65a5baf9adb93d67cd2d3a6@news.meganetnews.com...
"BC" <bconneely@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:dba7d68e.0407041339.4d25530a@posting.google.com...
"Dana" <#$%@%$#.com> wrote in message
news:<df94d36e2cb46d9b7934ce2b5df2c35f@news.meganetnews.com>...
True the average citizen of Iraq was no threat to us. But Saddam
was.
And
the war was about getting Saddam.
Nope.
Yep.
No WMDs were ever found,
Caches of chemical weapons are slowly being found.
Nope
Yep.
Slap a leftist for freedom and liberty.
Slap this one for a black eye and a little nappy.
Highly unlikely that you can do anything like that. More than likely you
would go running home to Mom. Leftists are incapable of taking care of
themselves, which is why they need and crave government, especially
socialist/fascist forms of government.
Unlike you, my real name is attached to all of my posts. I shouldn't be hard
to find. Stop by and try it sometime, *****.
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| User: "BC" |
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04 Jul 2004 11:30:56 PM |
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"Dana" <#$%@%$#.com> wrote in message news:<17ad6102e65a5baf9adb93d67cd2d3a6@news.meganetnews.com>...
"BC" <bconneely@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:dba7d68e.0407041339.4d25530a@posting.google.com...
"Dana" <#$%@%$#.com> wrote in message
news:<df94d36e2cb46d9b7934ce2b5df2c35f@news.meganetnews.com>...
True the average citizen of Iraq was no threat to us. But Saddam was.
And
the war was about getting Saddam.
Nope.
Yep.
Nope, you dope. Say "bin Laden." Hussein was just some
dopy bloodthirsty dictator who supported only
Palestinian terrorists, and who fell out of favor with
the US (FYI -- he was just as brutal a leader when
Reagan sent Rumsfeld over to shake hands with him.)
No WMDs were ever found,
Caches of chemical weapons are slowly being found.
Nope
Yep.
Nope. You have no cites because there aren't any. The
recent Polish "find" turned out yet again to be false.
The closest thing -- maybe -- was that roadside bomb
apparently made from an old Iran/Kurdish war era shell.
But even there the US admits that apparently the bombers
had no idea that it wasn't a normal shell they had
converted to a roadside bomb.
Slap a leftist for freedom and liberty.
Nope, yet again. But maybe you right wingers should be
spanked and sent your rooms for telling such big, stupid
lies.
-BC
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| User: "Bill Baker" |
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04 Jul 2004 08:11:48 PM |
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On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 21:54:25 +0000, "Dana" <#$%@%$#.com> wrote in message
news:<17ad6102e65a5baf9adb93d67cd2d3a6@news.meganetnews.com>:
"BC" <bconneely@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:dba7d68e.0407041339.4d25530a@posting.google.com...
"Dana" <#$%@%$#.com> wrote in message
news:<df94d36e2cb46d9b7934ce2b5df2c35f@news.meganetnews.com>...
True the average citizen of Iraq was no threat to us. But Saddam was.
And
the war was about getting Saddam.
Nope.
Yep.
No WMDs were ever found,
Caches of chemical weapons are slowly being found.
Nope
Yep.
Slap a leftist for freedom and liberty.
"Naturally, the common people don't want war, but after all, it is
the leaders of a country who determine the policy and it is always a
simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy or a
fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice
or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the
leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being
attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing
the country to danger. It works the same in every country."
--Hermann Goering, Hitler's Reich-Marshall
at the Nuremberg Trials after WWII
--
Peter: Hey, Brian, there's a message in my Alpha-Bits! It says, "Oooooo."
Brian: Those are Cheerios.
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| User: "Dana" |
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04 Jul 2004 08:35:39 PM |
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"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.07.05.01.12.35.945241@postini.spamcon.org...
On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 21:54:25 +0000, "Dana" <#$%@%$#.com> wrote in message
news:<17ad6102e65a5baf9adb93d67cd2d3a6@news.meganetnews.com>:
"BC" <bconneely@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:dba7d68e.0407041339.4d25530a@posting.google.com...
"Dana" <#$%@%$#.com> wrote in message
news:<df94d36e2cb46d9b7934ce2b5df2c35f@news.meganetnews.com>...
True the average citizen of Iraq was no threat to us. But Saddam was.
And
the war was about getting Saddam.
Nope.
Yep.
No WMDs were ever found,
Caches of chemical weapons are slowly being found.
Nope
Yep.
Slap a leftist for freedom and liberty.
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| User: "Bill Baker" |
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| Title: Re: Re : The U.S. Patriot Act |
05 Jul 2004 03:55:59 AM |
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"Dana" <#$%@%$#.com> wrote in message news:<6c36c29e784787000f60a68d4b29e76a@news.meganetnews.com>...
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.07.05.01.12.35.945241@postini.spamcon.org...
On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 21:54:25 +0000, "Dana" <#$%@%$#.com> wrote in message
news:<17ad6102e65a5baf9adb93d67cd2d3a6@news.meganetnews.com>:
"BC" <bconneely@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:dba7d68e.0407041339.4d25530a@posting.google.com...
"Dana" <#$%@%$#.com> wrote in message
news:<df94d36e2cb46d9b7934ce2b5df2c35f@news.meganetnews.com>...
True the average citizen of Iraq was no threat to us. But Saddam was.
And
the war was about getting Saddam.
Nope.
Yep.
No WMDs were ever found,
Caches of chemical weapons are slowly being found.
Nope
Yep.
Slap a leftist for freedom and liberty.
"Naturally, the common people don't want war, but after all, it is
the leaders of a country who determine the policy and it is always a
simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy or a
fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice
or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the
leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being
attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing
the country to danger. It works the same in every country."
--Hermann Goering, Hitler's Reich-Marshall
at the Nuremberg Trials after WWII
Note: no response. The truth hurts, doesn't it?
--
Q. How many people with ADD does it take to change a light bulb?
A. Let's go ride a bike.
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| User: "Never anonymous Bud" |
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04 Jul 2004 07:28:31 PM |
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Fresh from an Iraqi prisoner interrogation (BC) smirked:
Nope. Bin Laden was/still is the threat.
bin Laden was never the threat,
people who WORSHIP bin Laden are the threat.
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| User: "Tempest" |
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04 Jul 2004 07:55:06 PM |
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Never anonymous Bud wrote:
Fresh from an Iraqi prisoner interrogation (BC) smirked:
Nope. Bin Laden was/still is the threat.
bin Laden was never the threat,
people who WORSHIP bin Laden are the threat.
And since bin Laden is still around, they continue to have their source
of worship.
Which makes them more dangerous than if bin Laden wasn't around.
Thanks George!
--
"The true axis of evil in America is the brilliance of our marketing
combined with the stupidity of our people."
- Bill Maher
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| User: "Never anonymous Bud" |
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04 Jul 2004 07:59:16 PM |
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Fresh from an Iraqi prisoner interrogation Tempest <tempest@hotmail.com> smirked:
bin Laden was never the threat,
people who WORSHIP bin Laden are the threat.
And since bin Laden is still around, they continue to have their source
of worship.
Which makes them more dangerous than if bin Laden wasn't around.
Capturing and displaying the pathetic shell of a man
that bin Laden is would defuse most of his followers.
Killing him would just make him a martyr.
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| User: "Bill Baker" |
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04 Jul 2004 10:47:43 AM |
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On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 13:36:39 +0000, "Dana" <#$%@%$#.com> wrote in message
news:<df94d36e2cb46d9b7934ce2b5df2c35f@news.meganetnews.com>:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.07.04.11.41.28.307244@postini.spamcon.org...
On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 23:37:13 -0500, "E.E.Bud Keith"
<budk101@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:<n62dnUHc8MHeF3rdRVn-jA@comcast.com>:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.07.04.00.22.36.672849@postini.spamcon.org...
On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 21:36:54 +0000, Don Swayser
<swayser@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:<40E726BA.8050706@optonline.net>:
Much of this is outright lies. Warrants are still required for
almost all activities such as monitoring communications and
searches. Many of these criticisms were also made against the RICO
statute and to date there have been so few abuses of the statute
I've never personally heard of one. The opposition to the Patriot
Act come from those who oppose America defending itself, mostly
idiot liberals and ACLU types attempting to discredit the Bush
administration.
"Naturally, the common people don't want war, but after all, it is
the leaders of a country who determine the policy and it is always a
simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy or a
fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.
Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding
of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they
are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of
patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in
every country."
What is also true in every country, if appeasers are allowed to have
there way you end up the way most of Europe did in the early 1940's.
At that point in time someone has to stand up and stop appeasment and
come to the rescue of the weak and cowardly. Unfortunately more
people seem to die then would have if aggressors had been stopped
early on. Let me futher point out that while we stopprd Hitler, old
JOe Stalin was allowed to go on his murderous way killing close to
thirty million people.You may not think so but their are evil people
in the world and like it or not they have to be stopped. Otherwise
you will live under their boot heel as eastern europe did for close
to forty years.
That's true, but Iraq was never a threat to us.
True the average citizen of Iraq was no threat to us. But Saddam was.
Prove it.
And the war was about getting Saddam.
The war should have been about getting Osama bin Laden. Remember him?
No WMDs were ever found,
Caches of chemical weapons are slowly being found.
Empty shells, from what I understand.
--
Lurlean Lie #6:
I am just posting stuff he claimed himself.
news:7908c278.0310191750.679ca7da@posting.google.com
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| User: "Dana" |
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04 Jul 2004 10:49:56 AM |
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"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.07.04.15.48.24.322534@postini.spamcon.org...
On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 13:36:39 +0000, "Dana" <#$%@%$#.com> wrote in message
news:<df94d36e2cb46d9b7934ce2b5df2c35f@news.meganetnews.com>:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.07.04.11.41.28.307244@postini.spamcon.org...
On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 23:37:13 -0500, "E.E.Bud Keith"
<budk101@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:<n62dnUHc8MHeF3rdRVn-jA@comcast.com>:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.07.04.00.22.36.672849@postini.spamcon.org...
On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 21:36:54 +0000, Don Swayser
<swayser@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:<40E726BA.8050706@optonline.net>:
Much of this is outright lies. Warrants are still required for
almost all activities such as monitoring communications and
searches. Many of these criticisms were also made against the RICO
statute and to date there have been so few abuses of the statute
I've never personally heard of one. The opposition to the Patriot
Act come from those who oppose America defending itself, mostly
idiot liberals and ACLU types attempting to discredit the Bush
administration.
"Naturally, the common people don't want war, but after all, it is
the leaders of a country who determine the policy and it is always a
simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy or a
fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.
Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding
of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they
are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of
patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in
every country."
What is also true in every country, if appeasers are allowed to have
there way you end up the way most of Europe did in the early 1940's.
At that point in time someone has to stand up and stop appeasment and
come to the rescue of the weak and cowardly. Unfortunately more
people seem to die then would have if aggressors had been stopped
early on. Let me futher point out that while we stopprd Hitler, old
JOe Stalin was allowed to go on his murderous way killing close to
thirty million people.You may not think so but their are evil people
in the world and like it or not they have to be stopped. Otherwise
you will live under their boot heel as eastern europe did for close
to forty years.
That's true, but Iraq was never a threat to us.
True the average citizen of Iraq was no threat to us. But Saddam was.
Prove it.
The UN already has.
And the war was about getting Saddam.
The war should have been about getting Osama bin Laden. Remember him?
That part of the war is still in progress.
Notice he has not shown himself to often lately, and every nation is affraid
to even let him in their country.
No WMDs were ever found,
Caches of chemical weapons are slowly being found.
Empty shells, from what I understand.
You understand little, but then that is why you are a leftist useful idiot.
--
Lurlean Lie #6:
I am just posting stuff he claimed himself.
news:7908c278.0310191750.679ca7da@posting.google.com
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| User: "Miles Long" |
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04 Jul 2004 10:15:18 PM |
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Dana wrote:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.07.04.15.48.24.322534@postini.spamcon.org...
On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 13:36:39 +0000, "Dana" <#$%@%$#.com> wrote in message
news:<df94d36e2cb46d9b7934ce2b5df2c35f@news.meganetnews.com>:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.07.04.11.41.28.307244@postini.spamcon.org...
On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 23:37:13 -0500, "E.E.Bud Keith"
<budk101@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:<n62dnUHc8MHeF3rdRVn-jA@comcast.com>:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.07.04.00.22.36.672849@postini.spamcon.org...
On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 21:36:54 +0000, Don Swayser
<swayser@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:<40E726BA.8050706@optonline.net>:
Much of this is outright lies. Warrants are still required for
almost all activities such as monitoring communications and
searches. Many of these criticisms were also made against the RICO
statute and to date there have been so few abuses of the statute
I've never personally heard of one. The opposition to the Patriot
Act come from those who oppose America defending itself, mostly
idiot liberals and ACLU types attempting to discredit the Bush
administration.
"Naturally, the common people don't want war, but after all, it is
the leaders of a country who determine the policy and it is always a
simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy or a
fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.
Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding
of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they
are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of
patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in
every country."
What is also true in every country, if appeasers are allowed to have
there way you end up the way most of Europe did in the early 1940's.
At that point in time someone has to stand up and stop appeasment and
come to the rescue of the weak and cowardly. Unfortunately more
people seem to die then would have if aggressors had been stopped
early on. Let me futher point out that while we stopprd Hitler, old
JOe Stalin was allowed to go on his murderous way killing close to
thirty million people.You may not think so but their are evil people
in the world and like it or not they have to be stopped. Otherwise
you will live under their boot heel as eastern europe did for close
to forty years.
That's true, but Iraq was never a threat to us.
True the average citizen of Iraq was no threat to us. But Saddam was.
Prove it.
The UN already has.
And the war was about getting Saddam.
The war should have been about getting Osama bin Laden. Remember him?
That part of the war is still in progress.
Notice he has not shown himself to often lately, and every nation is affraid
to even let him in their country.
That's because he's shaved his beard and is living in a retirement
community in San Diego with a new kidney. Given the CIA's and FBI's
records over the last ten years, they'll never find him.
Miles "Where's Waldo" Long
No WMDs were ever found,
Caches of chemical weapons are slowly being found.
Empty shells, from what I understand.
You understand little, but then that is why you are a leftist useful idiot.
--
Lurlean Lie #6:
I am just posting stuff he claimed himself.
news:7908c278.0310191750.679ca7da@posting.google.com
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| User: "Bill Baker" |
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| Title: Re: Re : The U.S. Patriot Act |
04 Jul 2004 01:05:50 PM |
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On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 15:49:56 +0000, "Dana" <#$%@%$#.com> wrote in message
news:<92a6b12c84f97c63520af379c3e4092f@news.meganetnews.com>:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.07.04.15.48.24.322534@postini.spamcon.org...
On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 13:36:39 +0000, "Dana" <#$%@%$#.com> wrote in message
news:<df94d36e2cb46d9b7934ce2b5df2c35f@news.meganetnews.com>:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.07.04.11.41.28.307244@postini.spamcon.org...
On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 23:37:13 -0500, "E.E.Bud Keith"
<budk101@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:<n62dnUHc8MHeF3rdRVn-jA@comcast.com>:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.07.04.00.22.36.672849@postini.spamcon.org...
On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 21:36:54 +0000, Don Swayser
<swayser@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:<40E726BA.8050706@optonline.net>:
Much of this is outright lies. Warrants are still required for
almost all activities such as monitoring communications and
searches. Many of these criticisms were also made against the RICO
statute and to date there have been so few abuses of the statute
I've never personally heard of one. The opposition to the Patriot
Act come from those who oppose America defending itself, mostly
idiot liberals and ACLU types attempting to discredit the Bush
administration.
"Naturally, the common people don't want war, but after all, it is
the leaders of a country who determine the policy and it is always a
simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy or a
fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.
Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding
of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they
are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of
patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in
every country."
What is also true in every country, if appeasers are allowed to have
there way you end up the way most of Europe did in the early 1940's.
At that point in time someone has to stand up and stop appeasment and
come to the rescue of the weak and cowardly. Unfortunately more
people seem to die then would have if aggressors had been stopped
early on. Let me futher point out that while we stopprd Hitler, old
JOe Stalin was allowed to go on his murderous way killing close to
thirty million people.You may not think so but their are evil people
in the world and like it or not they have to be stopped. Otherwise
you will live under their boot heel as eastern europe did for close
to forty years.
That's true, but Iraq was never a threat to us.
True the average citizen of Iraq was no threat to us. But Saddam was.
Prove it.
The UN already has.
Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.
And the war was about getting Saddam.
The war should have been about getting Osama bin Laden. Remember him?
That part of the war is still in progress.
Notice he has not shown himself to often lately, and every nation is affraid
to even let him in their country.
Yet he's still alive somewhere, eh?
No WMDs were ever found,
Caches of chemical weapons are slowly being found.
Empty shells, from what I understand.
You understand little, but then that is why you are a leftist useful idiot.
Classic invective, as expected from one who lacks a logical argument.
--
Peter: Let's not deny our heritages. You're Jewish, you're good with money.
I'm Irish, I drink and I ban homosexuals from marching in my parade.
--Family Guy, "When You Wish Upon A Weinstein"
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| User: "Dana" |
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| Title: Re: Re : The U.S. Patriot Act |
04 Jul 2004 02:33:19 PM |
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"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.07.04.18.06.30.909683@postini.spamcon.org...
On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 15:49:56 +0000, "Dana" <#$%@%$#.com> wrote in message
news:<92a6b12c84f97c63520af379c3e4092f@news.meganetnews.com>:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.07.04.15.48.24.322534@postini.spamcon.org...
On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 13:36:39 +0000, "Dana" <#$%@%$#.com> wrote in
message
news:<df94d36e2cb46d9b7934ce2b5df2c35f@news.meganetnews.com>:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.07.04.11.41.28.307244@postini.spamcon.org...
On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 23:37:13 -0500, "E.E.Bud Keith"
<budk101@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:<n62dnUHc8MHeF3rdRVn-jA@comcast.com>:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.07.04.00.22.36.672849@postini.spamcon.org...
On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 21:36:54 +0000, Don Swayser
<swayser@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:<40E726BA.8050706@optonline.net>:
Much of this is outright lies. Warrants are still required for
almost all activities such as monitoring communications and
searches. Many of these criticisms were also made against the
RICO
statute and to date there have been so few abuses of the
statute
I've never personally heard of one. The opposition to the
Patriot
Act come from those who oppose America defending itself, mostly
idiot liberals and ACLU types attempting to discredit the Bush
administration.
"Naturally, the common people don't want war, but after all, it
is
the leaders of a country who determine the policy and it is
always a
simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy or a
fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist
dictatorship.
Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the
bidding
of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them
they
are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of
patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same
in
every country."
What is also true in every country, if appeasers are allowed to
have
there way you end up the way most of Europe did in the early
1940's.
At that point in time someone has to stand up and stop appeasment
and
come to the rescue of the weak and cowardly. Unfortunately more
people seem to die then would have if aggressors had been stopped
early on. Let me futher point out that while we stopprd Hitler,
old
JOe Stalin was allowed to go on his murderous way killing close to
thirty million people.You may not think so but their are evil
people
in the world and like it or not they have to be stopped. Otherwise
you will live under their boot heel as eastern europe did for
close
to forty years.
That's true, but Iraq was never a threat to us.
True the average citizen of Iraq was no threat to us. But Saddam was.
Prove it.
The UN already has.
Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.
Not at all. Saddam was in violation of numerous UN resolutions.
That you prefer to be an idiot about the situation is your problem.
And the war was about getting Saddam.
The war should have been about getting Osama bin Laden. Remember him?
That part of the war is still in progress.
Notice he has not shown himself to often lately, and every nation is
affraid
to even let him in their country.
Yet he's still alive somewhere, eh?
And been very very quiet.
So much for him trying to ram some jets into buildings again.
And you think it must be pretty easy to find one person in the world.
No WMDs were ever found,
Caches of chemical weapons are slowly being found.
Empty shells, from what I understand.
You understand little, but then that is why you are a leftist useful
idiot.
Slap a liberal for Freedom and liberty.
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| User: "tw" |
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| Title: Re: Re : The U.S. Patriot Act |
05 Jul 2004 05:08:52 AM |
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"Dana" <#$%@%$#.com> wrote in message
news:09587d6f837cf8189c943e427ee0a4e2@news.meganetnews.com...
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.07.04.18.06.30.909683@postini.spamcon.org...
<snip>
True the average citizen of Iraq was no threat to us. But Saddam
was.
Prove it.
The UN already has.
Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.
Not at all. Saddam was in violation of numerous UN resolutions.
That you prefer to be an idiot about the situation is your problem.
So it is you contention that anyone who is in violation of UN resolutions is
a threat to the US?
<snip>
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| User: "Tempest" |
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| Title: Re: Re : The U.S. Patriot Act |
05 Jul 2004 10:42:07 AM |
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"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:<ccb96u$ok1$1@newstree.wise.edt.ericsson.se>...
"Dana" <#$%@%$#.com> wrote in message
news:09587d6f837cf8189c943e427ee0a4e2@news.meganetnews.com...
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.07.04.18.06.30.909683@postini.spamcon.org...
<snip>
True the average citizen of Iraq was no threat to us. But Saddam
was.
Prove it.
The UN already has.
Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.
Not at all. Saddam was in violation of numerous UN resolutions.
That you prefer to be an idiot about the situation is your problem.
So it is you contention that anyone who is in violation of UN resolutions is
a threat to the US?
Would that include Israel, who are in violation of at least 40 U.N. resolutions?
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| User: "Bill Baker" |
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| Title: Re: Re : The U.S. Patriot Act |
04 Jul 2004 08:10:12 PM |
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On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 19:33:19 +0000, "Dana" <#$%@%$#.com> wrote in message
news:<09587d6f837cf8189c943e427ee0a4e2@news.meganetnews.com>:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.07.04.18.06.30.909683@postini.spamcon.org...
On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 15:49:56 +0000, "Dana" <#$%@%$#.com> wrote in message
news:<92a6b12c84f97c63520af379c3e4092f@news.meganetnews.com>:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.07.04.15.48.24.322534@postini.spamcon.org...
On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 13:36:39 +0000, "Dana" <#$%@%$#.com> wrote in
message
news:<df94d36e2cb46d9b7934ce2b5df2c35f@news.meganetnews.com>:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.07.04.11.41.28.307244@postini.spamcon.org...
On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 23:37:13 -0500, "E.E.Bud Keith"
<budk101@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:<n62dnUHc8MHeF3rdRVn-jA@comcast.com>:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.07.04.00.22.36.672849@postini.spamcon.org...
On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 21:36:54 +0000, Don Swayser
<swayser@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:<40E726BA.8050706@optonline.net>:
Much of this is outright lies. Warrants are still required
for almost all activities such as monitoring communications
and searches. Many of these criticisms were also made
against the RICO statute and to date there have been so few
abuses of the statute I've never personally heard of one.
The opposition to the Patriot Act come from those who oppose
America defending itself, mostly idiot liberals and ACLU
types attempting to discredit the Bush administration.
"Naturally, the common people don't want war, but after all,
it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy and it
is always a simple matter to drag people along whether it is a
democracy or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a
communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can
always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy.
All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and
denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing
the country to danger. It works the same in every country."
What is also true in every country, if appeasers are allowed to
have there way you end up the way most of Europe did in the
early 1940's. At that point in time someone has to stand up
and stop appeasment and come to the rescue of the weak and
cowardly. Unfortunately more people seem to die then would have
if aggressors had been stopped early on. Let me futher point
out that while we stopprd Hitler, old JOe Stalin was allowed to
go on his murderous way killing close to thirty million
people.You may not think so but their are evil people in the
world and like it or not they have to be stopped. Otherwise you
will live under their boot heel as eastern europe did for close
to forty years.
That's true, but Iraq was never a threat to us.
True the average citizen of Iraq was no threat to us. But Saddam
was.
Prove it.
The UN already has.
Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.
Not at all. Saddam was in violation of numerous UN resolutions. That you
prefer to be an idiot about the situation is your problem.
Being in violation of UN resolutions does not necessarily constitute a
threat.
And the war was about getting Saddam.
The war should have been about getting Osama bin Laden. Remember
him?
That part of the war is still in progress. Notice he has not shown
himself to often lately, and every nation is affraid to even let him
in their country.
Yet he's still alive somewhere, eh?
And been very very quiet.
So much for him trying to ram some jets into buildings again.
He's not in custody anywhere, so he certainly could.
And you think it must be pretty easy to find one person in the world.
Absolutely. We found Saddam Hussein, didn't we?
No WMDs were ever found,
Caches of chemical weapons are slowly being found.
Empty shells, from what I understand.
You understand little, but then that is why you are a leftist useful
idiot.
Slap a liberal for Freedom and liberty.
You are just proving my quote right. The truth hurts, doesn't it?
"Naturally, the common people don't want war, but after all, it is
the leaders of a country who determine the policy and it is always a
simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy or a
fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice
or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the
leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being
attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing
the country to danger. It works the same in every country."
--Hermann Goering, Hitler's Reich-Marshall
at the Nuremberg Trials after WWII
--
Funny Sister Lurlean quote #173:
"But I don't hate nobody you *****!" --Lurlean causes everyone's irony meter
to simultaneously explode.
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| User: "Dana" |
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| Title: Re: Re : The U.S. Patriot Act |
04 Jul 2004 08:35:15 PM |
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"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.07.05.01.10.55.443547@postini.spamcon.org...
On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 19:33:19 +0000, "Dana" <#$%@%$#.com> wrote in message
news:<09587d6f837cf8189c943e427ee0a4e2@news.meganetnews.com>:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
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On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 15:49:56 +0000, "Dana" <#$%@%$#.com> wrote in
message
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"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
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On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 13:36:39 +0000, "Dana" <#$%@%$#.com> wrote in
message
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"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
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On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 23:37:13 -0500, "E.E.Bud Keith"
<budk101@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:<n62dnUHc8MHeF3rdRVn-jA@comcast.com>:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
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On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 21:36:54 +0000, Don Swayser
<swayser@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:<40E726BA.8050706@optonline.net>:
Much of this is outright lies. Warrants are still required
for almost all activities such as monitoring communications
and searches. Many of these criticisms were also made
against the RICO statute and to date there have been so few
abuses of the statute I've never personally heard of one.
The opposition to the Patriot Act come from those who oppose
America defending itself, mostly idiot liberals and ACLU
types attempting to discredit the Bush administration.
"Naturally, the common people don't want war, but after all,
it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy and it
is always a simple matter to drag people along whether it is a
democracy or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a
communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can
always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy.
All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and
denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing
the country to danger. It works the same in every country."
What is also true in every country, if appeasers are allowed to
have there way you end up the way most of Europe did in the
early 1940's. At that point in time someone has to stand up
and stop appeasment and come to the rescue of the weak and
cowardly. Unfortunately more people seem to die then would have
if aggressors had been stopped early on. Let me futher point
out that while we stopprd Hitler, old JOe Stalin was allowed to
go on his murderous way killing close to thirty million
people.You may not think so but their are evil people in the
world and like it or not they have to be stopped. Otherwise you
will live under their boot heel as eastern europe did for close
to forty years.
That's true, but Iraq was never a threat to us.
True the average citizen of Iraq was no threat to us. But Saddam
was.
Prove it.
The UN already has.
Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.
Not at all. Saddam was in violation of numerous UN resolutions. That you
prefer to be an idiot about the situation is your problem.
Being in violation of UN resolutions does not necessarily constitute a
threat.
The resolutions he was in violation of did constitute a threat.
And he has already engaged in crimes against humanity.
And the war was about getting Saddam.
The war should have been about getting Osama bin Laden. Remember
him?
That part of the war is still in progress. Notice he has not shown
himself to often lately, and every nation is affraid to even let him
in their country.
Yet he's still alive somewhere, eh?
And been very very quiet.
So much for him trying to ram some jets into buildings again.
And you think it must be pretty easy to find one person in the world.
No WMDs were ever found,
Caches of chemical weapons are slowly being found.
Empty shells, from what I understand.
You understand little, but then that is why you are a leftist useful
idiot.
Slap a liberal for Freedom and liberty.
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"Dana" <#$%@%$#.com> wrote in message
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"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
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On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 19:33:19 +0000, "Dana" <#$%@%$#.com> wrote in message
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"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
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On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 23:37:13 -0500, "E.E.Bud Keith"
<budk101@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:<n62dnUHc8MHeF3rdRVn-jA@comcast.com>:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.07.04.00.22.36.672849@postini.spamcon.org...
On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 21:36:54 +0000, Don Swayser
<swayser@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:<40E726BA.8050706@optonline.net>:
Much of this is outright lies. Warrants are still required
for almost all activities such as monitoring communications
and searches. Many of these criticisms were also made
against the RICO statute and to date there have been so few
abuses of the statute I've never personally heard of one.
The opposition to the Patriot Act come from those who oppose
America defending itself, mostly idiot liberals and ACLU
types attempting to discredit the Bush administration.
"Naturally, the common people don't want war, but after all,
it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy and it
is always a simple matter to drag people along whether it is a
democracy or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a
communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can
always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy.
All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and
denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing
the country to danger. It works the same in every country."
What is also true in every country, if appeasers are allowed to
have there way you end up the way most of Europe did in the
early 1940's. At that point in time someone has to stand up
and stop appeasment and come to the rescue of the weak and
cowardly. Unfortunately more people seem to die then would have
if aggressors had been stopped early on. Let me futher point
out that while we stopprd Hitler, old JOe Stalin was allowed to
go on his murderous way killing close to thirty million
people.You may not think so but their are evil people in the
world and like it or not they have to be stopped. Otherwise you
will live under their boot heel as eastern europe did for close
to forty years.
That's true, but Iraq was never a threat to us.
True the average citizen of Iraq was no threat to us. But Saddam
was.
Prove it.
The UN already has.
Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.
Not at all. Saddam was in violation of numerous UN resolutions. That you
prefer to be an idiot about the situation is your problem.
Being in violation of UN resolutions does not necessarily constitute a
threat.
The resolutions he was in violation of did constitute a threat.
Not to the U.S.
And he has already engaged in crimes against humanity.
Against his own people, not the U.S.
And the war was about getting Saddam.
The war should have been about getting Osama bin Laden. Remember
him?
That part of the war is still in progress. Notice he has not shown
himself to often lately, and every nation is affraid to even let him
in their country.
Yet he's still alive somewhere, eh?
And been very very quiet.
So much for him trying to ram some jets into buildings again.
He's not in custody anywhere, so he certainly could.
Note: no response.
And you think it must be pretty easy to find one person in the world.
Absolutely. We found Saddam Hussein, didn't we?
Note: no response.
No WMDs were ever found,
Caches of chemical weapons are slowly being found.
Empty shells, from what I understand.
You understand little, but then that is why you are a leftist useful
idiot.
Slap a liberal for Freedom and liberty.
You are just proving my quote right. The truth hurts, doesn't it?
"Naturally, the common people don't want war, but after all, it is
the leaders of a country who determine the policy and it is always a
simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy or a
fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice
or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the
leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being
attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing
the country to danger. It works the same in every country."
--Hermann Goering, Hitler's Reich-Marshall
at the Nuremberg Trials after WWII
Note: no response.
--
Lurlean lie #1:
He goes to one [orgy] every day I hear
news:7908c278.0310191123.4a2f2610@posting.google.com
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| User: "Tempest" |
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04 Jul 2004 11:43:53 AM |
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Bill Baker wrote:
On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 23:37:13 -0500, "E.E.Bud Keith" <budk101@comcast.net>
wrote in message news:<n62dnUHc8MHeF3rdRVn-jA@comcast.com>:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.07.04.00.22.36.672849@postini.spamcon.org...
On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 21:36:54 +0000, Don Swayser <swayser@optonline.net>
wrote in message news:<40E726BA.8050706@optonline.net>:
Much of this is outright lies. Warrants are still required for almost
all activities such as monitoring communications and searches. Many of
these criticisms were also made against the RICO statute and to date
there have been so few abuses of the statute I've never personally heard
of one. The opposition to the Patriot Act come from those who oppose
America defending itself, mostly idiot liberals and ACLU types
attempting to discredit the Bush administration.
"Naturally, the common people don't want war, but after all, it is
the leaders of a country who determine the policy and it is always a
simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy or a
fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice
or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the
leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being
attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing
the country to danger. It works the same in every country."
What is also true in every country, if appeasers are allowed to have there
way you end up the way most of Europe did in the early 1940's. At that point
in time someone has to stand up and stop appeasment and come to the rescue
of the weak and cowardly. Unfortunately more people seem to die then would
have if aggressors had been stopped early on.
Let me futher point out that while we stopprd Hitler, old JOe Stalin was
allowed to go on his murderous way killing close to thirty million
people.You may not think so but their are evil people in the world and like
it or not they have to be stopped. Otherwise you will live under their boot
heel as eastern europe did for close to forty years.
That's true, but Iraq was never a threat to us. No WMDs were ever found,
and I'll bet none ever will be. Let's face it, if Bush had put as much
effort into finding Osama bin Laden as he did in finding Saddam Hussein,
he would have found him at least a year ago.
If Bush put as much effort into finding bin Laden as he has Saddam, bin
Laden would have been found on September 12, 2001.
--
"The true axis of evil in America is the brilliance of our marketing
combined with the stupidity of our people."
- Bill Maher
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04 Jul 2004 11:56:23 AM |
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"Tempest" <tempest@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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[snip]
If Bush put as much effort into finding bin Laden as he has Saddam, bin
Laden would have been found on September 12, 2001.
Bin Laden's living in a posh ski resort in Aspen, paid for by the Bush
administration. He'll be 'found' sometime in mid-October. :)
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| User: "Gerrit Deppe" |
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05 Jul 2004 11:22:54 AM |
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"Dennis Kemmerer" <dk@suespammers.org> wrote in message news:<2kqrhaF5b31dU1@uni-berlin.de>...
"Tempest" <tempest@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:40E8346B.9070505@hotmail.com...
[snip]
If Bush put as much effort into finding bin Laden as he has Saddam, bin
Laden would have been found on September 12, 2001.
Bin Laden's living in a posh ski resort in Aspen, paid for by the Bush
administration. He'll be 'found' sometime in mid-October. :)
Bin Laden is located behind the 'fake moon landing' set in Hollywood.
He is paid by the Bush administration to attack the US so that an
ongoing Third World War can allow the US to waltz over the world and
pillage all the energy before it runs out.
G.
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