Why do you people idolize the famous and rich?
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www.dorewilliamson.com
"From: Wally Lorne?" <wallylorne@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
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Screen Legend Marlon Brando Dead at 80
LOS ANGELES (AFP) - Hollywood legend Marlon Brando, hailed as one of the
greatest actors of the 20th century in a career overshadowed by his
eccentric behaviour and personal tragedy, has died at the age of 80.
The reclusive and brooding two-time Oscar winner and star of such classics
as "On the Waterfront," "The Godfather" and "A Streetcar Named Desire"
died of lung failure in a Los Angeles hospital Thursday.
"The actor Marlon Brando passed away yesterday, July 1, at 6:30 pm (0130
GMT Friday) at the UCLA (University of California at Los Angeles) Medical
Center of lung failure, according to his doctors," hospital spokeswoman
Roxanne Moster told AFP. No further details were immediately available.
The reluctant star had lived for years as a recluse in his hilltop home in
Los Angeles and, despite his huge professional success, was in serious
debt when he died.
In a forthcoming biography called "Brando in Twilight," author Patricia
Ruiz said Brando, once the movie industry's highest-paid actor, was nearly
destitute with debts amounting to 20 million dollars.
Devastated by huge legal fees for his son Christian's murder trial, he was
reduced to surviving on welfare payments, a Screen Actors Guild pension
and small residuals, according to the manuscript.
The definitive champion "method" actor had been vastly overweight for
years and had reportedly been in ill health for almost a decade. He was
rarely seen in public.
The cinema world mourned the loss of the enigmatic superstar, one of its
last connections with Hollywood's Golden Age.
"Marlon would hate the idea of people chiming in to give their comments
about his death. All I'll say is that it makes me sad he's gone," said
Francis Ford Coppola, who directed him in 1979's "Apocalypse Now."
Brando had a dramatic life, marked by unparalleled highs and enormous
tragedy, notably the 1995 suicide of his daughter Cheyenne and the murder
trial and manslaughter conviction of Christian for killing Cheyenne's
abusive fiance in 1990.
Born in April 1924 in Omaha in the midwestern state of Nebraska, Brando
grew up in a broken and alcoholic household, spawning demons that would
plague him for the rest of his life.
He became an icon of his generation as a moody, raw and rough but touching
figure in "On the Waterfront" (1954), as Stanley Kowalski in "A Streetcar
Named Desire" (1951) and as a motorcycle rebel in "The Wild One" (1954).
He won best actor Oscars for "On the Waterfront" and for his role as the
mafia boss Don Corleone in 1972's "The Godfather" in a half-century in
which he made more than 40 films.
But in his later years, he lost his seductively chiselled looks and became
bloated by his gluttonous appetite and famed for his reclusive lifestyle
and legendary, and usually turbulent, liaisons with women.
He became known for his temper tantrums and often bizarre behaviour, which
famously culminated in his sending an actress disguised as a Native
American to refuse his "Godfather" Oscar because of the plight of Native
Americans.
Despite his huge talent and global acclaim, many felt Brando never
achieved his potential as an actor, preferring to dodge the spotlight and
work only when he needed the cash, whatever the artistic merit of the
film.
"He was one of the great, great movie actors of all time," said Hollywood
historian Robert Osborne.
"But I think he was also one of the biggest disappointments of all time
because he was given so much ... as an actor and so good, but he really
threw it away.
"I don't think he took the responsibility of his talent very seriously or
did with it what he could have done."
Faced with huge expectations for his work for more than half a century,
Brando dismissed critics who said he had wasted his talent, saying that
acting was simply a job to him.
In the 1970s, he took roles in major movies such as "Apocalypse Now" and
"Superman," but was slammed for his over-the-top, uneven performances.
Brando's house, which neighbours the home of fellow film star Jack
Nicholson, was famously bereft of any acting trophies or memorabilia,
according to some of the few people who were invited behind its gates.
The ultimate Hollywood rebel, the former stage actor had long despised the
glitter of Hollywood and the attention fame brought with it.
Brando told an interviewer in the 1990s that he had withdrawn from society
under the stress of being hounded by the media. "I've had so much misery
in my life, being famous and wealthy," he said.
In recent years, he made headlines for a series of lawsuits against him,
including one in which his longtime maid and lover sued him for 100
million dollars to support three children she claimed were his. The suit
was dismissed last year.
Brando had around 11 children with three ex-wives and various other women,
including his Guatemalan housekeeper.
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"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message news:<%BjKc.6017$lz2.2623@nwrddc03.gnilink.net>...
Why do you people idolize the famous and rich?
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www.dorewilliamson.com
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I could see Brando. I cannot see your God.
Pretty web pages Dore, but more doom and repent. In fact, you are very
much like Prince Lightwing. How many 'affected' people are there like
you?
Werewolfy
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Werewolfy" <RickyColeclough@aol.com> wrote in message
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I could see Brando. I cannot see your God.
I don't see any difference between YOU and Brando. The only difference is
that he was rich and famous and you are not, but you are both unbelievers
and sinners, nonetheless, which makes NO difference in the eyes of God, for
both are condemned.
cont
Pretty web pages Dore, but more doom and repent. In fact, you are very
much like Prince Lightwing. How many 'affected' people are there like
you?
"Affected"? By what? God, truths, righteousness, knowledge, holiness, spirit
and wisdom? Well, not as many as I would like to see, however, I see MANY
"affected" by darkness, ignorance, sins and evil, as yourself, for which I
see NO value to God, no more value than Brando was. All he did was entertain
us, whereas you probably provided some sort of productive element to
society, so I guess you both gave us something, but certainly NOT worth
honoring and posting about.
PS, who is Prince Lightwing?
--
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"Werewolfy" <RickyColeclough@aol.com> wrote in message
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"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Why do you people idolize the famous and rich?
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Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
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I could see Brando. I cannot see your God.
Pretty web pages Dore, but more doom and repent. In fact, you are very
much like Prince Lightwing. How many 'affected' people are there like
you?
Werewolfy
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"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message news:<VrGKc.5566$Iz3.4907@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>...
I don't see any difference between YOU and Brando
How kind. Why, thank you Dore.
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"Affected"? By what?
Brain tumour?
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you probably provided some sort of productive element to
society..
I certainly did. I locked people in dungeons and killed a few.
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PS, who is Prince Lightwing?
*YOU* Don't Know PRINCE LIGHTWING! *HE* Knows *YOU*. *HE* Knows
EVERYONE in *THE GARDEN*
YOU will see *DORE*. YOU *DORE* will SEE HIS WRATH at the JUDGEMENT IN
HIS GARDEN>><<*HIS GARDEN *DORE*. Your book of life will be EXAMINED
*DORE* and you will be CONDEMNED with all>>SINNERS<<> ALL WHO *BREAK*
HIS LAW<*DORE*, *YOU* will appear at HIS *DOOR, *DORE* and what is
*MORE* *DORE*, YOU will *SEE* What *HE* Has in *STORE*,*DORE*
Werewolfy. Delivered His *MESSAGE* of BEHALF OF *PRINCE LIGHTWING*
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On 18 Jul 2004 23:49:04 -0700, (Werewolfy)
wrote:
PS, who is Prince Lightwing?
*YOU* Don't Know PRINCE LIGHTWING! *HE* Knows *YOU*. *HE* Knows
EVERYONE in *THE GARDEN*
YOU will see *DORE*. YOU *DORE* will SEE HIS WRATH at the JUDGEMENT IN
HIS GARDEN>><<*HIS GARDEN *DORE*. Your book of life will be EXAMINED
*DORE* and you will be CONDEMNED with all>>SINNERS<<> ALL WHO *BREAK*
HIS LAW<*DORE*, *YOU* will appear at HIS *DOOR, *DORE* and what is
*MORE* *DORE*, YOU will *SEE* What *HE* Has in *STORE*,*DORE*
Werewolfy. Delivered His *MESSAGE* of BEHALF OF *PRINCE LIGHTWING*
LOL!
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Dani <dani7200@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<18tmf0tnatd6f2ogpoeae6h9cq8lm0jgi3@4ax.com>...
On 18 Jul 2004 23:49:04 -0700, (Werewolfy)
wrote:
PS, who is Prince Lightwing?
*YOU* Don't Know PRINCE LIGHTWING! *HE* Knows *YOU*. *HE* Knows
EVERYONE in *THE GARDEN*
YOU will see *DORE*. YOU *DORE* will SEE HIS WRATH at the JUDGEMENT IN
HIS GARDEN>><<*HIS GARDEN *DORE*. Your book of life will be EXAMINED
*DORE* and you will be CONDEMNED with all>>SINNERS<<> ALL WHO *BREAK*
HIS LAW<*DORE*, *YOU* will appear at HIS *DOOR, *DORE* and what is
*MORE* *DORE*, YOU will *SEE* What *HE* Has in *STORE*,*DORE*
Werewolfy. Delivered His *MESSAGE* of BEHALF OF *PRINCE LIGHTWING*
LOL!
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I couldn't help myself Dani ;)
The *Prince* is too appealing a character ;)
Ricky
Ricky
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On 19 Jul 2004 23:56:46 -0700, (Werewolfy)
wrote:
Dani <dani7200@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<18tmf0tnatd6f2ogpoeae6h9cq8lm0jgi3@4ax.com>...
On 18 Jul 2004 23:49:04 -0700, (Werewolfy)
wrote:
PS, who is Prince Lightwing?
*YOU* Don't Know PRINCE LIGHTWING! *HE* Knows *YOU*. *HE* Knows
EVERYONE in *THE GARDEN*
YOU will see *DORE*. YOU *DORE* will SEE HIS WRATH at the JUDGEMENT IN
HIS GARDEN>><<*HIS GARDEN *DORE*. Your book of life will be EXAMINED
*DORE* and you will be CONDEMNED with all>>SINNERS<<> ALL WHO *BREAK*
HIS LAW<*DORE*, *YOU* will appear at HIS *DOOR, *DORE* and what is
*MORE* *DORE*, YOU will *SEE* What *HE* Has in *STORE*,*DORE*
Werewolfy. Delivered His *MESSAGE* of BEHALF OF *PRINCE LIGHTWING*
LOL!
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I couldn't help myself Dani ;)
The *Prince* is too appealing a character ;)
I love it .. ;) *This* is the entertainment factor in him that I was
talking about to Susan.
{*t*} ~*!*~ Dani {*t*} ~*!*~ "Delivered" *MY* "Message"
Ricky
Ricky
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"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message news:<VrGKc.5566$Iz3.4907@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>...
Werewolfy" <RickyColeclough@aol.com> wrote in message
news:85ebfda0.0407181330.45bb91fb@posting.google.com...
I could see Brando. I cannot see your God.
I don't see any difference between YOU and Brando. The only difference is
that he was rich and famous and you are not, but you are both unbelievers
and sinners, nonetheless, which makes NO difference in the eyes of God, for
both are condemned.
cont
Pretty web pages Dore, but more doom and repent. In fact, you are very
much like Prince Lightwing. How many 'affected' people are there like
you?
"Affected"? By what? God, truths, righteousness, knowledge, holiness, spirit
and wisdom? Well, not as many as I would like to see, however, I see MANY
"affected" by darkness, ignorance, sins and evil, as yourself, for which I
see NO value to God, no more value than Brando was. All he did was entertain
us, whereas you probably provided some sort of productive element to
society, so I guess you both gave us something, but certainly NOT worth
honoring and posting about.
PS, who is Prince Lightwing?
--
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
Hey Dore,
Have you ever read the Davinci Code By Dan Brown? If so, what is your
opinion of it? Do you find the idea that Jesus was just some dude, and
Mary Magdalan was not a ho, but really the divine goddess incarnate at
all appealing? Would you like to pray at her bones and hear her
voice?
And, uh, Brando was a groundbreaking actor well worth a post or two.
O Draconian Devil! Oh Lame Saint!
Here are some real questions for ya...see how religious you really
are...
What ceremony were Christ and his pals celebrating at "the last
supper?"
What four cups are used in this ceremony, and which one would Christ
have "taken?" (hint, it's a cup that sits at an empty place at the
table and has a specific and meaningful name).
Given that information (which Dan didnt have when he wrote his book
justifying his own idea of "his" knighthood), would there or would
there not be a specific cup that we could call the Holy Grail
(language gymnastics regarding blood and symbols of feminine anatomy
notwithstanding)?
Good luck!
Shasta Crowley
666 to you and yours.
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"Anon Ymous" <shastaman@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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Have you ever read the Davinci Code By Dan Brown? If so, what is your
opinion of it? Do you find the idea that Jesus was just some dude, and
Mary Magdalan was not a ho, but really the divine goddess incarnate at
all appealing? Would you like to pray at her bones and hear her
voice?
The Davinci code is a made up bunch of lies by a imaginative evil person
attempting to pretend that Davinci had any clue to anything, when in fact,
Davinci, simply hated Christianity and through his work, made a
disrespectful mockery of it.
cont
And, uh, Brando was a groundbreaking actor well worth a post or two.
O Draconian Devil! Oh Lame Saint!
Well, then post Brando's illustrious career and honor in some other
newsgroup and leave it out of the Christian ones.
cont
Here are some real questions for ya...see how religious you really
are...
What ceremony were Christ and his pals celebrating at "the last
supper?"
The Passover.
cont
What four cups are used in this ceremony, and which one would Christ
have "taken?" (hint, it's a cup that sits at an empty place at the
table and has a specific and meaningful name).
Bringing out of Egypt
Deliverance from bondage
Redeemed with an outstretched arm
Take them to God for a people
All four are drank by all.
The cup of Elijah is the one set at an empty place, because they are
awaiting his return
cont
Given that information (which Dan didnt have when he wrote his book
justifying his own idea of "his" knighthood), would there or would
there not be a specific cup that we could call the Holy Grail
(language gymnastics regarding blood and symbols of feminine anatomy
notwithstanding)?
No, there would NOT be a specific cup to be called the Holy Grail. I am
certain that everyone was just a little too busy and upset, with Christ
getting arrested and all, to be concerned about who drank out of which cup
and then keeping it for posterity.
--
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"Anon Ymous" <shastaman@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Werewolfy" <RickyColeclough@aol.com> wrote in message
news:85ebfda0.0407181330.45bb91fb@posting.google.com...
I could see Brando. I cannot see your God.
I don't see any difference between YOU and Brando. The only difference
is
that he was rich and famous and you are not, but you are both
unbelievers
and sinners, nonetheless, which makes NO difference in the eyes of God,
for
both are condemned.
cont
Pretty web pages Dore, but more doom and repent. In fact, you are very
much like Prince Lightwing. How many 'affected' people are there like
you?
"Affected"? By what? God, truths, righteousness, knowledge, holiness,
spirit
and wisdom? Well, not as many as I would like to see, however, I see
MANY
"affected" by darkness, ignorance, sins and evil, as yourself, for which
I
see NO value to God, no more value than Brando was. All he did was
entertain
us, whereas you probably provided some sort of productive element to
society, so I guess you both gave us something, but certainly NOT worth
honoring and posting about.
PS, who is Prince Lightwing?
--
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
Hey Dore,
Have you ever read the Davinci Code By Dan Brown? If so, what is your
opinion of it? Do you find the idea that Jesus was just some dude, and
Mary Magdalan was not a ho, but really the divine goddess incarnate at
all appealing? Would you like to pray at her bones and hear her
voice?
And, uh, Brando was a groundbreaking actor well worth a post or two.
O Draconian Devil! Oh Lame Saint!
Here are some real questions for ya...see how religious you really
are...
What ceremony were Christ and his pals celebrating at "the last
supper?"
What four cups are used in this ceremony, and which one would Christ
have "taken?" (hint, it's a cup that sits at an empty place at the
table and has a specific and meaningful name).
Given that information (which Dan didnt have when he wrote his book
justifying his own idea of "his" knighthood), would there or would
there not be a specific cup that we could call the Holy Grail
(language gymnastics regarding blood and symbols of feminine anatomy
notwithstanding)?
Good luck!
Shasta Crowley
666 to you and yours.
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22 Jul 2004 02:37:24 AM |
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"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message news:<%9FLc.40492$lz2.40027@nwrddc03.gnilink.net>...
"Anon Ymous" <shastaman@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:5c2e70b2.0407182137.510f82a@posting.google.com...
Have you ever read the Davinci Code By Dan Brown? If so, what is your
opinion of it? Do you find the idea that Jesus was just some dude, and
Mary Magdalan was not a ho, but really the divine goddess incarnate at
all appealing? Would you like to pray at her bones and hear her
voice?
The Davinci code is a made up bunch of lies by a imaginative evil person
attempting to pretend that Davinci had any clue to anything, when in fact,
Davinci, simply hated Christianity and through his work, made a
disrespectful mockery of it.
So you think that there really is no female in his Last Supper
portrait and that the woman next to Jesus and Jesus himself were not
dressed in mirror image colors (may want to take a look at it). Have
you ever heard anything about Rosslyn Chapel?
I dont know about a bunch of "made up lies," but it is certainly at
very least seriously lacking in scholarship and accuracy. I would
call it a bunch of self-indulgent and convenient half truths. But I
did learn a few things from it, which was a pleasant surprise.
O Draconian Devil! Oh Lame Saint!
Well, then post Brando's illustrious career and honor in some other
newsgroup and leave it out of the Christian ones.
No.
Here are some real questions for ya...see how religious you really
are...
What ceremony were Christ and his pals celebrating at "the last
supper?"
The Passover.
Good, good.
What four cups are used in this ceremony, and which one would Christ
have "taken?" (hint, it's a cup that sits at an empty place at the
table and has a specific and meaningful name).
Bringing out of Egypt
Deliverance from bondage
Redeemed with an outstretched arm
Take them to God for a people
All four are drank by all.
The cup of Elijah is the one set at an empty place, because they are
awaiting his return
Depends how you look at it I guess...some think John the Baptist was
the Elijah that was to come.
cont
Given that information (which Dan didnt have when he wrote his book
justifying his own idea of "his" knighthood), would there or would
there not be a specific cup that we could call the Holy Grail
(language gymnastics regarding blood and symbols of feminine anatomy
notwithstanding)?
No, there would NOT be a specific cup to be called the Holy Grail. I am
certain that everyone was just a little too busy and upset, with Christ
getting arrested and all, to be concerned about who drank out of which cup
and then keeping it for posterity.
So you think they were so upset that they wouldnt have actually gone
through the celebration of Passover? Not so, Dore. In fact, not only
did they go through the ceremony, but Jesus explained it. And the cup
that he took was the cup of redemption--not just some cup that you
would see at a Goy dinner party, but a specific cup used for a
specific purpose. And since there was "A" specific cup, there would
have been a Holy Grail...though it may not exist today. Although Im
sure my Jewish, Catholic, Born Again, Masonic, et al. friends would
argue, Christ was explaining a tradition that, for generations,
pointed to his coming (along with celebrating the traditions of the
past--interesting little "code" eh?). And then as he explained the
symbolic and prophetic nature of the ceremony (Hafi Komen), he asked
that we continue the ceremony in his memory. So whether or not THE
cup was saved for posterity, there was a specific cup that Christ used
for that moment, and that, whether it exists today or has long been
dust, would be what we would call the holy grail (linguistics
gymnastics concerning blood or female anatomy notwithstanding).
S~
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So you think that there really is no female in his Last Supper
portrait and that the woman next to Jesus and Jesus himself were not
dressed in mirror image colors (may want to take a look at it). Have
you ever heard anything about Rosslyn Chapel?
I personally couldn't care less what Davinci painted, put of his own mockery
and distaste, for it means NOTHING to anyone but Davinci and maybe now to
the idiots who take this book seriously. .
cont
Well, then post Brando's illustrious career and honor in some other
newsgroup and leave it out of the Christian ones.
No.
Fine, reveal your idolatry openly in this day of judgment, for it makes my
job of condemning you that much easier.
The cup of Elijah is the one set at an empty place, because they are
awaiting his return
Depends how you look at it I guess...some think John the Baptist was
the Elijah that was to come.
Only the Christians believed that John the Baptist was Elijah, NOT the Jews.
If the Jews would have thought John the Baptist was Elijah, then they would
have BELIEVED what he said about Christ.
cont
So you think they were so upset that they wouldnt have actually gone
through the celebration of Passover? Not so, Dore. In fact, not only
did they go through the ceremony, but Jesus explained it. And the cup
that he took was the cup of redemption--not just some cup that you
would see at a Goy dinner party, but a specific cup used for a
specific purpose. And since there was "A" specific cup, there would
have been a Holy Grail...though it may not exist today. Although Im
sure my Jewish, Catholic, Born Again, Masonic, et al. friends would
argue, Christ was explaining a tradition that, for generations,
pointed to his coming (along with celebrating the traditions of the
past--interesting little "code" eh?). And then as he explained the
symbolic and prophetic nature of the ceremony (Hafi Komen), he asked
that we continue the ceremony in his memory. So whether or not THE
cup was saved for posterity, there was a specific cup that Christ used
for that moment, and that, whether it exists today or has long been
dust, would be what we would call the holy grail (linguistics
gymnastics concerning blood or female anatomy notwithstanding).
I didn't say they didn't continue with the celebration and complete the
Passover. Now think about this for a moment. The cup of redemption was a
SYMBOLIC cup, as are all of the others, as each held it's own meaning and
each person drank the "symbolic" cup of wine at the appropriate times
throughout the meal.
One is drank after the recital of the Kiddush, the second one is drank after
the story of Haggada, one for the grace after meals is recited and one at
the conclusion of the meal. So there is NO specific "cup". So when it came
time for the symbolic cup of redemption to be drank, Christ used that time
to state that it was the cup of His blood, shed for the remission of sins,
and then He passed it around and they ALL drank from it. As for whether
anyone wanted to save that particular cup, well consider this.
There are 12 MEN , and Christ having the Passover celebration. Cups and
dishes and food were set out on the table and they ate, drank and Christ
taught them using the symbolism of the event. They finished the Passover and
went outside to the mount of Olives to listen to more of what Christ had to
say, since they were obviously devastated as to the news that He gave them
during the meal, of His death and crucifixion and betrayal by Judas. Did any
of these "MEN" CLEAN UP the table and concern themselves who drank out of
which cup? NO, WOMEN cleaned up the room, and NO ONE who did the cleaning
KNEW which cup, was symbolic for which event, because they weren't even
there at the time of the teachings. The MEN (apostles) were in the garden
and Christ was arrested. Do you think any of them, thought to themselves, "I
had better run back and get the cup that symbolizes the redemption, because
it is special and people in the future will regard it as such before the
women clean up the room", or do you think that the FEAR enveloped them that
their master was arrested and the prophecies that He had just spoken about
were being fulfilled before their eyes, as well as being concerned that they
themselves may be arrested and crucified as well? The cup that Christ used
was just one of the set and at the time, used symbolically for a purpose. NO
ONE thought it as any different than any other cup that needed to be washed
after use, for material possessions and saving them for posterity, was NOT
on the minds of those who experienced the last Passover with Christ.
--
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
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"Anon Ymous" <shastaman@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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Have you ever read the Davinci Code By Dan Brown? If so, what is your
opinion of it? Do you find the idea that Jesus was just some dude, and
Mary Magdalan was not a ho, but really the divine goddess incarnate at
all appealing? Would you like to pray at her bones and hear her
voice?
The Davinci code is a made up bunch of lies by a imaginative evil person
attempting to pretend that Davinci had any clue to anything, when in
fact,
Davinci, simply hated Christianity and through his work, made a
disrespectful mockery of it.
So you think that there really is no female in his Last Supper
portrait and that the woman next to Jesus and Jesus himself were not
dressed in mirror image colors (may want to take a look at it). Have
you ever heard anything about Rosslyn Chapel?
I dont know about a bunch of "made up lies," but it is certainly at
very least seriously lacking in scholarship and accuracy. I would
call it a bunch of self-indulgent and convenient half truths. But I
did learn a few things from it, which was a pleasant surprise.
O Draconian Devil! Oh Lame Saint!
Well, then post Brando's illustrious career and honor in some other
newsgroup and leave it out of the Christian ones.
No.
Here are some real questions for ya...see how religious you really
are...
What ceremony were Christ and his pals celebrating at "the last
supper?"
The Passover.
Good, good.
What four cups are used in this ceremony, and which one would Christ
have "taken?" (hint, it's a cup that sits at an empty place at the
table and has a specific and meaningful name).
Bringing out of Egypt
Deliverance from bondage
Redeemed with an outstretched arm
Take them to God for a people
All four are drank by all.
The cup of Elijah is the one set at an empty place, because they are
awaiting his return
Depends how you look at it I guess...some think John the Baptist was
the Elijah that was to come.
cont
Given that information (which Dan didnt have when he wrote his book
justifying his own idea of "his" knighthood), would there or would
there not be a specific cup that we could call the Holy Grail
(language gymnastics regarding blood and symbols of feminine anatomy
notwithstanding)?
No, there would NOT be a specific cup to be called the Holy Grail. I am
certain that everyone was just a little too busy and upset, with Christ
getting arrested and all, to be concerned about who drank out of which
cup
and then keeping it for posterity.
So you think they were so upset that they wouldnt have actually gone
through the celebration of Passover? Not so, Dore. In fact, not only
did they go through the ceremony, but Jesus explained it. And the cup
that he took was the cup of redemption--not just some cup that you
would see at a Goy dinner party, but a specific cup used for a
specific purpose. And since there was "A" specific cup, there would
have been a Holy Grail...though it may not exist today. Although Im
sure my Jewish, Catholic, Born Again, Masonic, et al. friends would
argue, Christ was explaining a tradition that, for generations,
pointed to his coming (along with celebrating the traditions of the
past--interesting little "code" eh?). And then as he explained the
symbolic and prophetic nature of the ceremony (Hafi Komen), he asked
that we continue the ceremony in his memory. So whether or not THE
cup was saved for posterity, there was a specific cup that Christ used
for that moment, and that, whether it exists today or has long been
dust, would be what we would call the holy grail (linguistics
gymnastics concerning blood or female anatomy notwithstanding).
S~
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26 Jul 2004 07:06:47 AM |
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"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message news:<SEtMc.2756$jq1.2515@nwrdny02.gnilink.net>...
"Anon Ymous" <shastaman@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:5c2e70b2.0407212337.560ba22f@posting.google.com...
So you think that there really is no female in his Last Supper
portrait and that the woman next to Jesus and Jesus himself were not
dressed in mirror image colors (may want to take a look at it). Have
you ever heard anything about Rosslyn Chapel?
I personally couldn't care less what Davinci painted, put of his own mockery
and distaste, for it means NOTHING to anyone but Davinci and maybe now to
the idiots who take this book seriously. .
cont
Well, then post Brando's illustrious career and honor in some other
newsgroup and leave it out of the Christian ones.
No.
Fine, reveal your idolatry openly in this day of judgment, for it makes my
job of condemning you that much easier.
I hold ceremonies to Isis, Horus, Venus and Eris and I post about
Brando on alt.bible.prophecy. Blessed Be and Nyah nyah nyah. =P
Now as to your condemnation =) Christ was someone with a deep
understanding of every person he came in contact with (like the woman
at the well who said he told her everything she ever did). He had not
only understanding but mercy. He was not a pinhead who would condemn
someone over breached internet ettiquete. alt.bible.prophecy is not
"his Father's house" you ridiculous fake.
If there is any Christ consciousness left in you, its badly obscured
by ego and and probably insanity. Condemn all you want, you fake,
because by the flawed measure you apply to others (one bereft of
understanding and mercy) that same measure will be applied to you.
Will be interesting to see how you measure up. Maybe, if youre a good
little girl, Ill be there to bail you out, understanding that as an
ugly woman, whose expectations have been so completely thwarted all
through her life, she desperately needed something to show that she
was greater than those around her. So she convinced herself she was
Christ even though she had a glaring lack of the understanding and
love he so prominantly displayed. Forgive yourself, Dore. You dont
know what youre doing. Remember I said that. You want to talk about
idolatry? You have become your own idol.
The cup of Elijah is the one set at an empty place, because they are
awaiting his return
Depends how you look at it I guess...some think John the Baptist was
the Elijah that was to come.
Only the Christians believed that John the Baptist was Elijah, NOT the Jews.
If the Jews would have thought John the Baptist was Elijah, then they would
have BELIEVED what he said about Christ.
Uh, the Christians believe it because Christ said it...Matt 17:11-12
Christ was a Jew wasnt he?
cont
So you think they were so upset that they wouldnt have actually gone
through the celebration of Passover? Not so, Dore. In fact, not only
did they go through the ceremony, but Jesus explained it. And the cup
that he took was the cup of redemption--not just some cup that you
would see at a Goy dinner party, but a specific cup used for a
specific purpose. And since there was "A" specific cup, there would
have been a Holy Grail...though it may not exist today. Although Im
sure my Jewish, Catholic, Born Again, Masonic, et al. friends would
argue, Christ was explaining a tradition that, for generations,
pointed to his coming (along with celebrating the traditions of the
past--interesting little "code" eh?). And then as he explained the
symbolic and prophetic nature of the ceremony (Hafi Komen), he asked
that we continue the ceremony in his memory. So whether or not THE
cup was saved for posterity, there was a specific cup that Christ used
for that moment, and that, whether it exists today or has long been
dust, would be what we would call the holy grail (linguistics
gymnastics concerning blood or female anatomy notwithstanding).
I didn't say they didn't continue with the celebration and complete the
Passover. Now think about this for a moment. The cup of redemption was a
SYMBOLIC cup, as are all of the others,
Very symbolic, and also very MATERIAL. They are present at every
passover ceremony.
as each held it's own meaning and
each person drank the "symbolic" cup of wine at the appropriate times
throughout the meal.
One is drank after the recital of the Kiddush, the second one is drank after
the story of Haggada, one for the grace after meals is recited and one at
the conclusion of the meal. So there is NO specific "cup". So when it came
time for the symbolic cup of redemption to be drank, Christ used that time
to state that it was the cup of His blood, shed for the remission of sins,
and then He passed it around and they ALL drank from it.
So then there WAS a specific cup. Really not all that complicated.
As for whether
anyone wanted to save that particular cup, well consider this.
There are 12 MEN , and Christ having the Passover celebration. Cups and
dishes and food were set out on the table and they ate, drank and Christ
taught them using the symbolism of the event. They finished the Passover and
went outside to the mount of Olives to listen to more of what Christ had to
say, since they were obviously devastated as to the news that He gave them
during the meal, of His death and crucifixion and betrayal by Judas. Did any
of these "MEN" CLEAN UP the table and concern themselves who drank out of
which cup? NO, WOMEN cleaned up the room, and NO ONE who did the cleaning
KNEW which cup, was symbolic for which event, because they weren't even
there at the time of the teachings. The MEN (apostles) were in the garden
and Christ was arrested. Do you think any of them, thought to themselves, "I
had better run back and get the cup that symbolizes the redemption, because
it is special and people in the future will regard it as such before the
women clean up the room", or do you think that the FEAR enveloped them that
their master was arrested and the prophecies that He had just spoken about
were being fulfilled before their eyes, as well as being concerned that they
themselves may be arrested and crucified as well? The cup that Christ used
was just one of the set and at the time, used symbolically for a purpose. NO
ONE thought it as any different than any other cup that needed to be washed
after use, for material possessions and saving them for posterity, was NOT
on the minds of those who experienced the last Passover with Christ.
Those 4 cups are usually more than ordinary drinking glasses.
As to whether someone singled it out, maybe, maybe not. Do you think,
after the crucifixion, that they might have remembered those words he
said at that moment and their import? And if they did remember them
(enough to write them down), dont you think one might have been bright
enough to go back and fish that cup out of the dishwater? Really
doesnt matter. My point was that Brown's (and apparently Davinci's
according to the painting) assertion that the holy grail never existed
or never mattered was inaccurate. Thanks for supporting my claim.
There was a specific cup, that in every Passover ceremony Ive seen is
more than an ordinary drinking glass (as Davinci inaccurately
displayed) and was taken by Christ and drank from by him and his
disciples. That cup, whether it exists today or has long since been
ground into sand, could accurately be called the Holy Grail.
S~
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| User: "Dore" |
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26 Jul 2004 06:52:48 PM |
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"Anon Ymous" <shastaman@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:5c2e70b2.0407260406.3ddf5bab@posting.google.com...
I hold ceremonies to Isis, Horus, Venus and Eris and I post about
Brando on alt.bible.prophecy. Blessed Be and Nyah nyah nyah. =P
Ex 20:3
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
KJV
cont
Now as to your condemnation =) Christ was someone with a deep
understanding of every person he came in contact with (like the woman
at the well who said he told her everything she ever did). He had not
only understanding but mercy. He was not a pinhead who would condemn
someone over breached internet ettiquete. alt.bible.prophecy is not
"his Father's house" you ridiculous fake.
Well, maybe instead of honoring Isis, Horus, Venus and Eris, the false gods
that demons exalt, you should have read the Bible, regarding the prophecies
of the second coming of Christ, to discover what my job is in the return.
You have had 2000 years and certainly all of your life to seek the truths of
God, and obey His will and plan of salvation, but instead you chose to honor
false gods and deities that don't exist, therefore you know nothing of
Christ or what time it is, NOW, in JUDGMENT and the history of the earth.
Mal 3:18
18 Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked,
between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.
KJV
John 12:48
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth
him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
KJV
Matt 12:36-37
36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall
give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be
condemned.
KJV
cont
If there is any Christ consciousness left in you, its badly obscured
by ego and and probably insanity. Condemn all you want, you fake,
because by the flawed measure you apply to others (one bereft of
understanding and mercy) that same measure will be applied to you.
Will be interesting to see how you measure up. Maybe, if youre a good
little girl, Ill be there to bail you out, understanding that as an
ugly woman, whose expectations have been so completely thwarted all
through her life, she desperately needed something to show that she
was greater than those around her. So she convinced herself she was
Christ even though she had a glaring lack of the understanding and
love he so prominantly displayed. Forgive yourself, Dore. You dont
know what youre doing. Remember I said that. You want to talk about
idolatry? You have become your own idol.
Sins, evil, wickedness, disobedience, disrespect, idolatry, etc DESERVE NO
MERCY, for you have had 2000 years to repent of all sin, obey God and learn
of the plan of salvation and abide in it. Now JUDGMENT has come and you are
unprepared. I am the JUDGE and you don't know to whom you are speaking. And
instead of being mature, and responsible for your own choices of neglect,
disobedience, idolatry and sins you want to pretend to place the problem on
me, much to your dismay.
cont
Only the Christians believed that John the Baptist was Elijah, NOT the
Jews.
If the Jews would have thought John the Baptist was Elijah, then they
would
have BELIEVED what he said about Christ.
Uh, the Christians believe it because Christ said it...Matt 17:11-12
Christ was a Jew wasnt he?
Christ being a Jew has WHAT to do with what the Jews, who denied, rejected,
persecuted then murdered Christ and continued in their practices?
cont
So then there WAS a specific cup. Really not all that complicated.
That they ALL drank out of, and not specifically just Christ, which was your
point.
cont
Those 4 cups are usually more than ordinary drinking glasses.
Not really. They were special in the fact that they were not used normally,
because of the law of cleansing, but that is it.
cont
As to whether someone singled it out, maybe, maybe not. Do you think,
after the crucifixion, that they might have remembered those words he
said at that moment and their import? And if they did remember them
(enough to write them down), dont you think one might have been bright
enough to go back and fish that cup out of the dishwater? Really
doesnt matter. My point was that Brown's (and apparently Davinci's
according to the painting) assertion that the holy grail never existed
or never mattered was inaccurate. Thanks for supporting my claim.
There was a specific cup, that in every Passover ceremony Ive seen is
more than an ordinary drinking glass (as Davinci inaccurately
displayed) and was taken by Christ and drank from by him and his
disciples. That cup, whether it exists today or has long since been
ground into sand, could accurately be called the Holy Grail.
Sorry, when the scriptures were written, much later, at the time of the
Passover before the crucifixion, NO ONE was concerned about drinking
glasses, nor any material things, because they had their VERY LIVES to be
concerned about. As for ALL Jewish Passover meals, there are special cups
and dishes used, because of the leaven laws, but each family have their own,
and assign which cup symbolically means which reverence, and the ones that
Christ and the Apostles used were BORROWED from the owner of the room where
the last supper took place, so there is NO Holy Grail, NO special cup, saved
for posterity, no matter what Davinci, Brown or anyone else thinks.
The cup itself is MEANINGLESS, for the spirit, symbolism and meaning of the
matter is what is important. That ALL men share in the suffering, sacrifice,
obedience, faith and LIFE of Christ, being the body and the blood.
--
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"Anon Ymous" <shastaman@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Anon Ymous" <shastaman@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:5c2e70b2.0407212337.560ba22f@posting.google.com...
So you think that there really is no female in his Last Supper
portrait and that the woman next to Jesus and Jesus himself were not
dressed in mirror image colors (may want to take a look at it). Have
you ever heard anything about Rosslyn Chapel?
I personally couldn't care less what Davinci painted, put of his own
mockery
and distaste, for it means NOTHING to anyone but Davinci and maybe now
to
the idiots who take this book seriously. .
cont
Well, then post Brando's illustrious career and honor in some other
newsgroup and leave it out of the Christian ones.
No.
Fine, reveal your idolatry openly in this day of judgment, for it makes
my
job of condemning you that much easier.
I hold ceremonies to Isis, Horus, Venus and Eris and I post about
Brando on alt.bible.prophecy. Blessed Be and Nyah nyah nyah. =P
Now as to your condemnation =) Christ was someone with a deep
understanding of every person he came in contact with (like the woman
at the well who said he told her everything she ever did). He had not
only understanding but mercy. He was not a pinhead who would condemn
someone over breached internet ettiquete. alt.bible.prophecy is not
"his Father's house" you ridiculous fake.
If there is any Christ consciousness left in you, its badly obscured
by ego and and probably insanity. Condemn all you want, you fake,
because by the flawed measure you apply to others (one bereft of
understanding and mercy) that same measure will be applied to you.
Will be interesting to see how you measure up. Maybe, if youre a good
little girl, Ill be there to bail you out, understanding that as an
ugly woman, whose expectations have been so completely thwarted all
through her life, she desperately needed something to show that she
was greater than those around her. So she convinced herself she was
Christ even though she had a glaring lack of the understanding and
love he so prominantly displayed. Forgive yourself, Dore. You dont
know what youre doing. Remember I said that. You want to talk about
idolatry? You have become your own idol.
The cup of Elijah is the one set at an empty place, because they are
awaiting his return
Depends how you look at it I guess...some think John the Baptist was
the Elijah that was to come.
Only the Christians believed that John the Baptist was Elijah, NOT the
Jews.
If the Jews would have thought John the Baptist was Elijah, then they
would
have BELIEVED what he said about Christ.
Uh, the Christians believe it because Christ said it...Matt 17:11-12
Christ was a Jew wasnt he?
cont
So you think they were so upset that they wouldnt have actually gone
through the celebration of Passover? Not so, Dore. In fact, not only
did they go through the ceremony, but Jesus explained it. And the cup
that he took was the cup of redemption--not just some cup that you
would see at a Goy dinner party, but a specific cup used for a
specific purpose. And since there was "A" specific cup, there would
have been a Holy Grail...though it may not exist today. Although Im
sure my Jewish, Catholic, Born Again, Masonic, et al. friends would
argue, Christ was explaining a tradition that, for generations,
pointed to his coming (along with celebrating the traditions of the
past--interesting little "code" eh?). And then as he explained the
symbolic and prophetic nature of the ceremony (Hafi Komen), he asked
that we continue the ceremony in his memory. So whether or not THE
cup was saved for posterity, there was a specific cup that Christ used
for that moment, and that, whether it exists today or has long been
dust, would be what we would call the holy grail (linguistics
gymnastics concerning blood or female anatomy notwithstanding).
I didn't say they didn't continue with the celebration and complete the
Passover. Now think about this for a moment. The cup of redemption was a
SYMBOLIC cup, as are all of the others,
Very symbolic, and also very MATERIAL. They are present at every
passover ceremony.
as each held it's own meaning and
each person drank the "symbolic" cup of wine at the appropriate times
throughout the meal.
One is drank after the recital of the Kiddush, the second one is drank
after
the story of Haggada, one for the grace after meals is recited and one
at
the conclusion of the meal. So there is NO specific "cup". So when it
came
time for the symbolic cup of redemption to be drank, Christ used that
time
to state that it was the cup of His blood, shed for the remission of
sins,
and then He passed it around and they ALL drank from it.
So then there WAS a specific cup. Really not all that complicated.
As for whether
anyone wanted to save that particular cup, well consider this.
There are 12 MEN , and Christ having the Passover celebration. Cups and
dishes and food were set out on the table and they ate, drank and Christ
taught them using the symbolism of the event. They finished the Passover
and
went outside to the mount of Olives to listen to more of what Christ had
to
say, since they were obviously devastated as to the news that He gave
them
during the meal, of His death and crucifixion and betrayal by Judas. Did
any
of these "MEN" CLEAN UP the table and concern themselves who drank out
of
which cup? NO, WOMEN cleaned up the room, and NO ONE who did the
cleaning
KNEW which cup, was symbolic for which event, because they weren't
even
there at the time of the teachings. The MEN (apostles) were in the
garden
and Christ was arrested. Do you think any of them, thought to
themselves, "I
had better run back and get the cup that symbolizes the redemption,
because
it is special and people in the future will regard it as such before the
women clean up the room", or do you think that the FEAR enveloped them
that
their master was arrested and the prophecies that He had just spoken
about
were being fulfilled before their eyes, as well as being concerned that
they
themselves may be arrested and crucified as well? The cup that Christ
used
was just one of the set and at the time, used symbolically for a
purpose. NO
ONE thought it as any different than any other cup that needed to be
washed
after use, for material possessions and saving them for posterity, was
NOT
on the minds of those who experienced the last Passover with Christ.
Those 4 cups are usually more than ordinary drinking glasses.
As to whether someone singled it out, maybe, maybe not. Do you think,
after the crucifixion, that they might have remembered those words he
said at that moment and their import? And if they did remember them
(enough to write them down), dont you think one might have been bright
enough to go back and fish that cup out of the dishwater? Really
doesnt matter. My point was that Brown's (and apparently Davinci's
according to the painting) assertion that the holy grail never existed
or never mattered was inaccurate. Thanks for supporting my claim.
There was a specific cup, that in every Passover ceremony Ive seen is
more than an ordinary drinking glass (as Davinci inaccurately
displayed) and was taken by Christ and drank from by him and his
disciples. That cup, whether it exists today or has long since been
ground into sand, could accurately be called the Holy Grail.
S~
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| Title: Re: R*I*P* Marlon Brando............................. |
27 Jul 2004 02:51:47 AM |
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"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message news:<kPgNc.496$FZ5.215@trndny07>...
"Anon Ymous" <shastaman@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:5c2e70b2.0407260406.3ddf5bab@posting.google.com...
I hold ceremonies to Isis, Horus, Venus and Eris and I post about
Brando on alt.bible.prophecy. Blessed Be and Nyah nyah nyah. =P
Ex 20:3
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
KJV
That's very good, Door. But who said I hold them before Him?
cont
Now as to your condemnation =) Christ was someone with a deep
understanding of every person he came in contact with (like the woman
at the well who said he told her everything she ever did). He had not
only understanding but mercy. He was not a pinhead who would condemn
someone over breached internet ettiquete. alt.bible.prophecy is not
"his Father's house" you ridiculous fake.
Well, maybe instead of honoring Isis, Horus, Venus and Eris, the false gods
that demons exalt, you should have read the Bible, regarding the prophecies
of the second coming of Christ, to discover what my job is in the return.
You have had 2000 years and certainly all of your life to seek the truths of
God, and obey His will and plan of salvation, but instead you chose to honor
false gods and deities that don't exist, therefore you know nothing of
Christ or what time it is, NOW, in JUDGMENT and the history of the earth.
IVE had 2000 years? Im in my 30s. Are you Buddha now, too? And what
is this "instead" stuff? See, you just shouted to the world that you
dont know anything and assume everything that suits what you think
your job is. Besides, those gods do exist. Ive seen the pictures.
Mal 3:18
18 Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked,
between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.
KJV
John 12:48
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth
him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
KJV
Matt 12:36-37
36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall
give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be
condemned.
KJV
Dont forget the sheep and the goats...
If there is any Christ consciousness left in you, its badly obscured
by ego and and probably insanity. Condemn all you want, you fake,
because by the flawed measure you apply to others (one bereft of
understanding and mercy) that same measure will be applied to you.
Will be interesting to see how you measure up. Maybe, if youre a good
little girl, Ill be there to bail you out, understanding that as an
ugly woman, whose expectations have been so completely thwarted all
through her life, she desperately needed something to show that she
was greater than those around her. So she convinced herself she was
Christ even though she had a glaring lack of the understanding and
love he so prominantly displayed. Forgive yourself, Dore. You dont
know what youre doing. Remember I said that. You want to talk about
idolatry? You have become your own idol.
Sins, evil, wickedness, disobedience, disrespect, idolatry, etc DESERVE NO
Disrespect of who?
MERCY, for you have had 2000 years to repent of all sin, obey God and learn
of the plan of salvation and abide in it.
How do you know I havent?
Now JUDGMENT has come and you are
unprepared. I am the JUDGE and you don't know to whom you are speaking. And
instead of being mature, and responsible for your own choices of neglect,
disobedience, idolatry and sins you want to pretend to place the problem on
me, much to your dismay.
I know exactly to whom I am writing. You dont know to whom you are
speaking, nor do you know who you are.
Only the Christians believed that John the Baptist was Elijah, NOT the
Jews.
If the Jews would have thought John the Baptist was Elijah, then they
would
have BELIEVED what he said about Christ.
Uh, the Christians believe it because Christ said it...Matt 17:11-12
Christ was a Jew wasnt he?
Christ being a Jew has WHAT to do with what the Jews, who denied, rejected,
persecuted then murdered Christ and continued in their practices?
Uh well if you scroll up a bit, youll notice you mentioned that the
JEWS didnt believe that John was the Elijah that was to come. Christ
was a JEW. ergo...
And as to who murdered Christ, Im afraid youll find that was the
ROMANS. Christ came FIRST for the Jews then for the Gentiles.
So then there WAS a specific cup. Really not all that complicated.
That they ALL drank out of, and not specifically just Christ, which was your
point.
No that was NOT my point at any time anywhere ever. I know the Bible
very well, was brought up Catholic and have heard "take this and
drink" about 50 million times. I dont need a lecture from an obtuse
self-proclaimed fake-Jesus returned with the understanding and mercy
of your garden variety shrike.
cont
Those 4 cups are usually more than ordinary drinking glasses.
Not really. They were special in the fact that they were not used normally,
because of the law of cleansing, but that is it.
ARE special. They are also usually a good bit nice, from what Ive
seen usually gold. So, yes, really. They usually arent just everyday
tablewear.
As to whether someone singled it out, maybe, maybe not. Do you think,
after the crucifixion, that they might have remembered those words he
said at that moment and their import? And if they did remember them
(enough to write them down), dont you think one might have been bright
enough to go back and fish that cup out of the dishwater? Really
doesnt matter. My point was that Brown's (and apparently Davinci's
according to the painting) assertion that the holy grail never existed
or never mattered was inaccurate. Thanks for supporting my claim.
There was a specific cup, that in every Passover ceremony Ive seen is
more than an ordinary drinking glass (as Davinci inaccurately
displayed) and was taken by Christ and drank from by him and his
disciples. That cup, whether it exists today or has long since been
ground into sand, could accurately be called the Holy Grail.
Sorry,
Yes, you certainly are.
when the scriptures were written, much later, at the time of the
Passover before the crucifixion, NO ONE was concerned about drinking
glasses,
How do you know when the scriptures were written? As far as anyone
knows the sciptures were written the day after it happened. Mark
certainly didnt pen his gospel hundreds of years after the fact. They
realized what was going down three days after the Crucifixion (if the
Gospels are to be believed). So lets try not to pretend that you know
ANYTHING about what ANYBODY thought or did. Youre not even bright
enough to figure me out (and ANY manifestation of Christ certainly
would be), so youll just have to accept the fact that you dont have
the first clue what the apostles did after the last supper.
nor any material things, because they had their VERY LIVES to be
concerned about. As for ALL Jewish Passover meals, there are special cups
and dishes used, because of the leaven laws, but each family have their own,
and assign which cup symbolically means which reverence, and the ones that
Christ and the Apostles used were BORROWED from the owner of the room where
the last supper took place, so there is NO Holy Grail, NO special cup, saved
for posterity, no matter what Davinci, Brown or anyone else thinks.
ALL Of which support my claim. I realize you dont get that, but it
really doesnt matter because the average reader is far brighter than
you will EVER be.
The cup itself is MEANINGLESS, for the spirit, symbolism and meaning of the
matter is what is important.
The cup, each cup of redemption ever used at any passover ceremony is
a symbol. You cant say its a SYMBOL then turn around and say its
MEANINGLESS, you UNBELIEVEABLE DIMWITTED PINHEAD. You have limited
knowledge, no understanding and NO AUTHORITY and you prove it more and
more with each post.
Look, its one thing to come back poor. But I cant believe Christ
would return as a retard. YOU are a FAKE, dumby. Christ spoke as one
with ability and AUTHORITY. You, on the other hand, speak (or write,
because if you tried to speak somewhere publicly youd be laughed out
of the place..and you KNOW it) like a crazy, bitter old woman--a
complete FAKE with no authority to judge or condemn ANYONE because you
have no ABILITY or AUTHORITY. Sooner you figure that out, the better.
Matt 13:27 and HE (AS IN NOT SHE) will send his angels and gather his
elect...
Swallow that one whole there, nutcase.
That ALL men share in the suffering, sacrifice,
obedience, faith and LIFE of Christ, being the body and...
ALL men huh? Now its all men. How merciful you are. Youre a fake,
Door. And the best, most heartfelt and sincere advice I can give you
is to STFU.
www.dorewilliamson.com is fabricated horse *****.
S~
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Time to let Marlon rest in peace now, methinks, Doreen ;-)
He had a most unfortunate & tragic ending to an otherwise miraculous
wonderful life & career........
"Life is truly wondrous, then U die"
yes siree yes indeedy do !
HOOROO ;-)
Uncle Wally ;-)
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On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 02:35:33 GMT, "Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net>
wrote:
Werewolfy" <RickyColeclough@aol.com> wrote in message
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I could see Brando. I cannot see your God.
I don't see any difference between YOU and Brando. The only difference is
that he was rich and famous and you are not, but you are both unbelievers
and sinners, nonetheless, which makes NO difference in the eyes of God, for
both are condemned.
cont
I can pretty much count on one thing -- I'll bet Brando fucked fewer
little boys up the bunghole than many priests in your "religion". Oh,
what say? Those were Catholics and don't count? Yeah, true --
Christianity, the "cafeteria" religion -- pick and choose those parts
that you agree with, throw out all the rest.
Which cult do you belong to - Presbyterian, Methodist, Born Again?
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I can pretty much count on one thing -- I'll bet Brando fucked fewer
little boys up the bunghole than many priests in your "religion". Oh,
what say? Those were Catholics and don't count? Yeah, true --
Christianity, the "cafeteria" religion -- pick and choose those parts
that you agree with, throw out all the rest.
First of all the Catholic Church is NOT of My "religion" but a profanity and
blasphemy of it. Fact is, it is the Catholic Church that removed, twisted
and distorted the truths of Christianity, picking and choosing the
scriptures that they desire, and the modern Christian protestants, are also
guilty of the same.
cont
Which cult do you belong to - Presbyterian, Methodist, Born Again?
I am Christ. The faithful and true, the one and only.
--
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
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On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 02:35:33 GMT, "Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net>
wrote:
Werewolfy" <RickyColeclough@aol.com> wrote in message
news:85ebfda0.0407181330.45bb91fb@posting.google.com...
I could see Brando. I cannot see your God.
I don't see any difference between YOU and Brando. The only difference is
that he was rich and famous and you are not, but you are both
unbelievers
and sinners, nonetheless, which makes NO difference in the eyes of God,
for
both are condemned.
cont
I can pretty much count on one thing -- I'll bet Brando fucked fewer
little boys up the bunghole than many priests in your "religion". Oh,
what say? Those were Catholics and don't count? Yeah, true --
Christianity, the "cafeteria" religion -- pick and choose those parts
that you agree with, throw out all the rest.
Which cult do you belong to - Presbyterian, Methodist, Born Again?
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"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
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I am Christ. The faithful and true, the one and only.
Hey princess lightweight, here's your boss, another fruitcake with
more imagination than brains.
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dorewilliamson@verizon.net (Dore)
wrote:
Why do you people idolize the famous
and rich?
Well somebody should set you straight. I suppose I'm as good as any :)
First of all.......
Marlon Brando was not rich and he did not live the lavish and very
public Hollywood lifestyle as most of the stars do.
The last part of his life was very tragic with the suicide of his
daughter Cheyenne as a result of his son Christian having killed her
boyfriend Dag Drollet, in which he served 10 years in prison for.
None of this was easy for Mr. Brando if you can even imagine and
especially being the private person that he was and all of a sudden
thrown into the media frenzy for many months.
Very sad.
People admired him and respected him not just because of his great
contribution to films but because of the man he was aside from all that.
People who are perfect strangers in different parts of the world are
connecting by acknowledging his passing and I don't see why you should
have a problem with that.
There was no negativity about it until you popped in and now you have
brought out the worst in me and everybody else who has read your post.
Well, that's all the time you get from me. I must sleep now so I can get
up early and worship my God "The Sun" and my false idol "Harley Davidson
Sportster". It's as red as the devil and so chromed out it gleams in the
sunlight, almost blinding at times. }:D~>
SuZanne
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17 Jul 2004 10:56:55 PM |
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Whoes treating the late Mr Brando like a god?
"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Why do you people idolize the famous and rich?
--
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"From: Wally Lorne?" <wallylorne@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:29ab5835.0407021934.2d17d4d9@posting.google.com...
============================
http://www.abc.net.au/news/
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Screen Legend Marlon Brando Dead at 80
LOS ANGELES (AFP) - Hollywood legend Marlon Brando, hailed as one of the
greatest actors of the 20th century in a career overshadowed by his
eccentric behaviour and personal tragedy, has died at the age of 80.
The reclusive and brooding two-time Oscar winner and star of such
classics
as "On the Waterfront," "The Godfather" and "A Streetcar Named Desire"
died of lung failure in a Los Angeles hospital Thursday.
"The actor Marlon Brando passed away yesterday, July 1, at 6:30 pm (0130
GMT Friday) at the UCLA (University of California at Los Angeles)
Medical
Center of lung failure, according to his doctors," hospital spokeswoman
Roxanne Moster told AFP. No further details were immediately available.
The reluctant star had lived for years as a recluse in his hilltop home
in
Los Angeles and, despite his huge professional success, was in serious
debt when he died.
In a forthcoming biography called "Brando in Twilight," author Patricia
Ruiz said Brando, once the movie industry's highest-paid actor, was
nearly
destitute with debts amounting to 20 million dollars.
Devastated by huge legal fees for his son Christian's murder trial, he
was
reduced to surviving on welfare payments, a Screen Actors Guild pension
and small residuals, according to the manuscript.
The definitive champion "method" actor had been vastly overweight for
years and had reportedly been in ill health for almost a decade. He was
rarely seen in public.
The cinema world mourned the loss of the enigmatic superstar, one of its
last connections with Hollywood's Golden Age.
"Marlon would hate the idea of people chiming in to give their comments
about his death. All I'll say is that it makes me sad he's gone," said
Francis Ford Coppola, who directed him in 1979's "Apocalypse Now."
Brando had a dramatic life, marked by unparalleled highs and enormous
tragedy, notably the 1995 suicide of his daughter Cheyenne and the
murder
trial and manslaughter conviction of Christian for killing Cheyenne's
abusive fiance in 1990.
Born in April 1924 in Omaha in the midwestern state of Nebraska, Brando
grew up in a broken and alcoholic household, spawning demons that would
plague him for the rest of his life.
He became an icon of his generation as a moody, raw and rough but
touching
figure in "On the Waterfront" (1954), as Stanley Kowalski in "A
Streetcar
Named Desire" (1951) and as a motorcycle rebel in "The Wild One" (1954).
He won best actor Oscars for "On the Waterfront" and for his role as the
mafia boss Don Corleone in 1972's "The Godfather" in a half-century in
which he made more than 40 films.
But in his later years, he lost his seductively chiselled looks and
became
bloated by his gluttonous appetite and famed for his reclusive lifestyle
and legendary, and usually turbulent, liaisons with women.
He became known for his temper tantrums and often bizarre behaviour,
which
famously culminated in his sending an actress disguised as a Native
American to refuse his "Godfather" Oscar because of the plight of Native
Americans.
Despite his huge talent and global acclaim, many felt Brando never
achieved his potential as an actor, preferring to dodge the spotlight
and
work only when he needed the cash, whatever the artistic merit of the
film.
"He was one of the great, great movie actors of all time," said
Hollywood
historian Robert Osborne.
"But I think he was also one of the biggest disappointments of all time
because he was given so much ... as an actor and so good, but he really
threw it away.
"I don't think he took the responsibility of his talent very seriously
or
did with it what he could have done."
Faced with huge expectations for his work for more than half a century,
Brando dismissed critics who said he had wasted his talent, saying that
acting was simply a job to him.
In the 1970s, he took roles in major movies such as "Apocalypse Now" and
"Superman," but was slammed for his over-the-top, uneven performances.
Brando's house, which neighbours the home of fellow film star Jack
Nicholson, was famously bereft of any acting trophies or memorabilia,
according to some of the few people who were invited behind its gates.
The ultimate Hollywood rebel, the former stage actor had long despised
the
glitter of Hollywood and the attention fame brought with it.
Brando told an interviewer in the 1990s that he had withdrawn from
society
under the stress of being hounded by the media. "I've had so much misery
in my life, being famous and wealthy," he said.
In recent years, he made headlines for a series of lawsuits against him,
including one in which his longtime maid and lover sued him for 100
million dollars to support three children she claimed were his. The suit
was dismissed last year.
Brando had around 11 children with three ex-wives and various other
women,
including his Guatemalan housekeeper.
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"Rico" <hoganrj@bigpond.net.au.au> wrote in message
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Whoes treating the late Mr Brando like a god?
Marlon Brando is merely just one of the many wicked, evil, sinners that
plague the earth, as most famous and rich people are, so why be concerned so
much that this news be posted and honor him in his death?
No one posts that their grandmother has died, so why post that such as
Marlon Brando has? There is NO difference between all who die daily and the
famous so why HONOR these famous ones, like idols?
--
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"Rico" <hoganrj@bigpond.net.au.au> wrote in message
news:bymKc.5412$K53.5131@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Whoes treating the late Mr Brando like a god?
"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:%BjKc.6017$lz2.2623@nwrddc03.gnilink.net...
Why do you people idolize the famous and rich?
--
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"From: Wally Lorne?" <wallylorne@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:29ab5835.0407021934.2d17d4d9@posting.google.com...
============================
http://www.abc.net.au/news/
============================
Screen Legend Marlon Brando Dead at 80
LOS ANGELES (AFP) - Hollywood legend Marlon Brando, hailed as one of
the
greatest actors of the 20th century in a career overshadowed by his
eccentric behaviour and personal tragedy, has died at the age of 80.
The reclusive and brooding two-time Oscar winner and star of such
classics
as "On the Waterfront," "The Godfather" and "A Streetcar Named Desire"
died of lung failure in a Los Angeles hospital Thursday.
"The actor Marlon Brando passed away yesterday, July 1, at 6:30 pm
(0130
GMT Friday) at the UCLA (University of California at Los Angeles)
Medical
Center of lung failure, according to his doctors," hospital
spokeswoman
Roxanne Moster told AFP. No further details were immediately
available.
The reluctant star had lived for years as a recluse in his hilltop
home
in
Los Angeles and, despite his huge professional success, was in serious
debt when he died.
In a forthcoming biography called "Brando in Twilight," author
Patricia
Ruiz said Brando, once the movie industry's highest-paid actor, was
nearly
destitute with debts amounting to 20 million dollars.
Devastated by huge legal fees for his son Christian's murder trial, he
was
reduced to surviving on welfare payments, a Screen Actors Guild
pension
and small residuals, according to the manuscript.
The definitive champion "method" actor had been vastly overweight for
years and had reportedly been in ill health for almost a decade. He
was
rarely seen in public.
The cinema world mourned the loss of the enigmatic superstar, one of
its
last connections with Hollywood's Golden Age.
"Marlon would hate the idea of people chiming in to give their
comments
about his death. All I'll say is that it makes me sad he's gone," said
Francis Ford Coppola, who directed him in 1979's "Apocalypse Now."
Brando had a dramatic life, marked by unparalleled highs and enormous
tragedy, notably the 1995 suicide of his daughter Cheyenne and the
murder
trial and manslaughter conviction of Christian for killing Cheyenne's
abusive fiance in 1990.
Born in April 1924 in Omaha in the midwestern state of Nebraska,
Brando
grew up in a broken and alcoholic household, spawning demons that
would
plague him for the rest of his life.
He became an icon of his generation as a moody, raw and rough but
touching
figure in "On the Waterfront" (1954), as Stanley Kowalski in "A
Streetcar
Named Desire" (1951) and as a motorcycle rebel in "The Wild One"
(1954).
He won best actor Oscars for "On the Waterfront" and for his role as
the
mafia boss Don Corleone in 1972's "The Godfather" in a half-century in
which he made more than 40 films.
But in his later years, he lost his seductively chiselled looks and
became
bloated by his gluttonous appetite and famed for his reclusive
lifestyle
and legendary, and usually turbulent, liaisons with women.
He became known for his temper tantrums and often bizarre behaviour,
which
famously culminated in his sending an actress disguised as a Native
American to refuse his "Godfather" Oscar because of the plight of
Native
Americans.
Despite his huge talent and global acclaim, many felt Brando never
achieved his potential as an actor, preferring to dodge the spotlight
and
work only when he needed the cash, whatever the artistic merit of the
film.
"He was one of the great, great movie actors of all time," said
Hollywood
historian Robert Osborne.
"But I think he was also one of the biggest disappointments of all
time
because he was given so much ... as an actor and so good, but he
really
threw it away.
"I don't think he took the responsibility of his talent very seriously
or
did with it what he could have done."
Faced with huge expectations for his work for more than half a
century,
Brando dismissed critics who said he had wasted his talent, saying
that
acting was simply a job to him.
In the 1970s, he took roles in major movies such as "Apocalypse Now"
and
"Superman," but was slammed for his over-the-top, uneven performances.
Brando's house, which neighbours the home of fellow film star Jack
Nicholson, was famously bereft of any acting trophies or memorabilia,
according to some of the few people who were invited behind its gates.
The ultimate Hollywood rebel, the former stage actor had long despised
the
glitter of Hollywood and the attention fame brought with it.
Brando told an interviewer in the 1990s that he had withdrawn from
society
under the stress of being hounded by the media. "I've had so much
misery
in my life, being famous and wealthy," he said.
In recent years, he made headlines for a series of lawsuits against
him,
including one in which his longtime maid and lover sued him for 100
million dollars to support three children she claimed were his. The
suit
was dismissed last year.
Brando had around 11 children with three ex-wives and various other
women,
including his Guatemalan housekeeper.
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