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User:	"Reverend Dave"
Date:	01 Apr 2004 12:51:34 AM
Object:	Re: Sharon opens the Gates of Hell (Assassination of Hamas leader)

Jean Guernon wrote:

Reverend Dave a écrit:

Jean Guernon wrote:

Reverend Dave a écrit:

Jean Guernon wrote:

*snip*

What history are we talking about friend? One that suits your
perceptions or one that is accurate? Like this overview for example;

Which was snipped by you because it didn't agree with your notion of the
"Truth"

Nah, the true history. But what's the use. You obviously are an
anti-semite.

So what then is the "true" history? Stop being so vague and tell me this
"truth", otherwise I'll have to believe that you don't know!
Even the Jews know their history has been fudged as this article that
ran in the Jewish News Weekly of Northern California indicates. In the
article it is suggested that an archeological dig at the Gihon Spring in
Jerusalem provides evidence that "Jerusalem was a big and fortified city
already in 1,800 BCE, about 800 years before King David conquered the
city from the Jebusites. " and "Findings there show that the
sophisticated water system heretofore attributed to the conquering
Israelites pre-dated them by eight centuries and was even more
sophisticated than imagined."
http://www.jewishsf.com/content/2-0-/module/displaystory/story_id/9207/edition_id/175/format/html/displaystory.html
So come on Jean, bring on your "truth"!!!!
As for me being an anti-semite, I suggest you look the word semite up in
a dictionary. :)

Like most of anti-semites hee, you gang up on Nostradamian here and move
them out of their own NG. Do you all do the same on other NGs where you
have nothing relevant to contribute?

Once again you make the assinine, pompous assumption that I am an
anti-semite! Your ignorance is showing!
My advice to you is, if want your ***** to stay in the Nostradamus NG
don't crosspost it!

J.

[Antisemite lies snipped]

User: "Anon Ymous"
Title: Re: Sharon opens the Gates of Hell (Assassination of Hamas leader)	01 Apr 2004 03:35:46 PM

Reverend Dave <limolib@hotpantsmail.com> wrote in message news:<JKOac.62200$1A6.1548166@news20.bellglobal.com>...

Jean Guernon wrote:

Reverend Dave a écrit:

Jean Guernon wrote:

Reverend Dave a écrit:

Jean Guernon wrote:

*snip*

What history are we talking about friend? One that suits your
perceptions or one that is accurate? Like this overview for example;

Which was snipped by you because it didn't agree with your notion of the
"Truth"

Nah, the true history. But what's the use. You obviously are an
anti-semite.

So what then is the "true" history? Stop being so vague and tell me this
"truth", otherwise I'll have to believe that you don't know!

Even the Jews know their history has been fudged as this article that
ran in the Jewish News Weekly of Northern California indicates. In the
article it is suggested that an archeological dig at the Gihon Spring in
Jerusalem provides evidence that "Jerusalem was a big and fortified city
already in 1,800 BCE, about 800 years before King David conquered the
city from the Jebusites. " and "Findings there show that the
sophisticated water system heretofore attributed to the conquering
Israelites pre-dated them by eight centuries and was even more
sophisticated than imagined."

http://www.jewishsf.com/content/2-0-/module/displaystory/story_id/9207/edition_id/175/format/html/displaystory.html

So come on Jean, bring on your "truth"!!!!

As for me being an anti-semite, I suggest you look the word semite up in
a dictionary. :)

I have no idea whether or not you are an anti-semite, but here's the
dictionary definition on which Jean bases his claim (I think).
an·ti-Sem·ite n.
One who discriminates against or who is hostile toward or prejudiced
against Jews.
S~
.

User: "Reverend Dave"
Title: Re: Sharon opens the Gates of Hell (Assassination of Hamas leader)	02 Apr 2004 01:07:12 AM

Anon Ymous wrote:

Reverend Dave <limolib@hotpantsmail.com> wrote in message news:<JKOac.62200$1A6.1548166@news20.bellglobal.com>...

Jean Guernon wrote:

Reverend Dave a écrit:

Jean Guernon wrote:

Reverend Dave a écrit:

Jean Guernon wrote:

*snip*

What history are we talking about friend? One that suits your
perceptions or one that is accurate? Like this overview for example;

Which was snipped by you because it didn't agree with your notion of the
"Truth"

Nah, the true history. But what's the use. You obviously are an
anti-semite.

So what then is the "true" history? Stop being so vague and tell me this
"truth", otherwise I'll have to believe that you don't know!

Even the Jews know their history has been fudged as this article that
ran in the Jewish News Weekly of Northern California indicates. In the
article it is suggested that an archeological dig at the Gihon Spring in
Jerusalem provides evidence that "Jerusalem was a big and fortified city
already in 1,800 BCE, about 800 years before King David conquered the
city from the Jebusites. " and "Findings there show that the
sophisticated water system heretofore attributed to the conquering
Israelites pre-dated them by eight centuries and was even more
sophisticated than imagined."

http://www.jewishsf.com/content/2-0-/module/displaystory/story_id/9207/edition_id/175/format/html/displaystory.html

So come on Jean, bring on your "truth"!!!!

As for me being an anti-semite, I suggest you look the word semite up in
a dictionary. :)

I have no idea whether or not you are an anti-semite, but here's the
dictionary definition on which Jean bases his claim (I think).

an·ti-Sem·ite n.
One who discriminates against or who is hostile toward or prejudiced
against Jews.

S~

Sure, the word was coined to mean "anti-Jewish" however it is a
distortion considering the definition of the word semite which is as
follows;
semite -
1. A member of a group of Semitic-speaking peoples of the Near East and
northern Africa, including the Arabs, Arameans, Babylonians,
Carthaginians, Ethiopians, Hebrews, and Phoenicians.
2. A Jew.
3. Bible. A descendant of Shem.
So by the first definition Palestinians are semites as well.
Am I anti-semite? No. I'm just opposed to the notion that the Israelies
have the right to drive the Palestinians out. Here's a news flash,
there are Israelies who feel the same way I do.
.

User: "The Athiest"
Title: Re: Sharon opens the Gates of Hell (Assassination of Hamas leader)	03 Apr 2004 10:41:52 AM

"Reverend Dave" <limolib@hotpantsmail.com> wrote in message
news:l38bc.70716$1A6.1937555@news20.bellglobal.com...

Anon Ymous wrote:

Reverend Dave <limolib@hotpantsmail.com> wrote in message

news:<JKOac.62200$1A6.1548166@news20.bellglobal.com>...

Jean Guernon wrote:

Reverend Dave a écrit:

Jean Guernon wrote:

Reverend Dave a écrit:

Jean Guernon wrote:

*snip*

What history are we talking about friend? One that suits your
perceptions or one that is accurate? Like this overview for example;

Which was snipped by you because it didn't agree with your notion of the
"Truth"

Nah, the true history. But what's the use. You obviously are an
anti-semite.

So what then is the "true" history? Stop being so vague and tell me this
"truth", otherwise I'll have to believe that you don't know!

Even the Jews know their history has been fudged as this article that
ran in the Jewish News Weekly of Northern California indicates. In the
article it is suggested that an archeological dig at the Gihon Spring in
Jerusalem provides evidence that "Jerusalem was a big and fortified city
already in 1,800 BCE, about 800 years before King David conquered the
city from the Jebusites. " and "Findings there show that the
sophisticated water system heretofore attributed to the conquering
Israelites pre-dated them by eight centuries and was even more
sophisticated than imagined."

http://www.jewishsf.com/content/2-0-/module/displaystory/story_id/9207/edi

tion_id/175/format/html/displaystory.html

So come on Jean, bring on your "truth"!!!!

As for me being an anti-semite, I suggest you look the word semite up in
a dictionary. :)

I have no idea whether or not you are an anti-semite, but here's the
dictionary definition on which Jean bases his claim (I think).

an·ti-Sem·ite n.
One who discriminates against or who is hostile toward or prejudiced
against Jews.

S~

Sure, the word was coined to mean "anti-Jewish" however it is a
distortion considering the definition of the word semite which is as
follows;

semite -
1. A member of a group of Semitic-speaking peoples of the Near East and
northern Africa, including the Arabs, Arameans, Babylonians,
Carthaginians, Ethiopians, Hebrews, and Phoenicians.
2. A Jew.
3. Bible. A descendant of Shem.

So by the first definition Palestinians are semites as well.

Am I anti-semite? No. I'm just opposed to the notion that the Israelies
have the right to drive the Palestinians out. Here's a news flash,
there are Israelies who feel the same way I do.

Semites include Israelis and Arabs.
Are you referring to pre 1967 borders? Perhaps the bigger question is should
Israel have been given the right to exist when it did. If no, then I agree
with you. Otherwise, the Arabs gambled and lost.
.

User: "Reverend Dave"
Title: Re: Sharon opens the Gates of Hell (Assassination of Hamas leader)	04 Apr 2004 11:46:36 AM

"The Athiest" <athiest.nospam@nodomain.com> wrote in
news:kPBbc.14364$RTF1.7023@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com:

"Reverend Dave" <limolib@hotpantsmail.com> wrote in message
news:l38bc.70716$1A6.1937555@news20.bellglobal.com...

Anon Ymous wrote:

Reverend Dave <limolib@hotpantsmail.com> wrote in message

news:<JKOac.62200$1A6.1548166@news20.bellglobal.com>...

Jean Guernon wrote:

Reverend Dave a écrit:

Jean Guernon wrote:

Reverend Dave a écrit:

Jean Guernon wrote:

*snip*

What history are we talking about friend? One that suits your
perceptions or one that is accurate? Like this overview for
example;

Which was snipped by you because it didn't agree with your notion
of the "Truth"

Nah, the true history. But what's the use. You obviously are an
anti-semite.

So what then is the "true" history? Stop being so vague and tell me
this "truth", otherwise I'll have to believe that you don't know!

Even the Jews know their history has been fudged as this article
that ran in the Jewish News Weekly of Northern California
indicates. In the article it is suggested that an archeological dig
at the Gihon Spring in Jerusalem provides evidence that "Jerusalem
was a big and fortified city already in 1,800 BCE, about 800 years
before King David conquered the city from the Jebusites. " and
"Findings there show that the sophisticated water system heretofore
attributed to the conquering Israelites pre-dated them by eight
centuries and was even more sophisticated than imagined."

http://www.jewishsf.com/content/2-0-/module/displaystory/story_id/9207
/edi

tion_id/175/format/html/displaystory.html

So come on Jean, bring on your "truth"!!!!

As for me being an anti-semite, I suggest you look the word semite
up in a dictionary. :)

I have no idea whether or not you are an anti-semite, but here's
the dictionary definition on which Jean bases his claim (I think).

an·ti-Sem·ite n.
One who discriminates against or who is hostile toward or
prejudiced against Jews.

S~

Sure, the word was coined to mean "anti-Jewish" however it is a
distortion considering the definition of the word semite which is as
follows;

semite -
1. A member of a group of Semitic-speaking peoples of the Near East
and northern Africa, including the Arabs, Arameans, Babylonians,
Carthaginians, Ethiopians, Hebrews, and Phoenicians.
2. A Jew.
3. Bible. A descendant of Shem.

So by the first definition Palestinians are semites as well.

Am I anti-semite? No. I'm just opposed to the notion that the
Israelies
have the right to drive the Palestinians out. Here's a news flash,
there are Israelies who feel the same way I do.

Semites include Israelis and Arabs.

Yup. The dictinary definition indicates that however the term anti-semite
has almost exclusively come to mean anti-Jew to most people.

Are you referring to pre 1967 borders? Perhaps the bigger question is
should Israel have been given the right to exist when it did. If no,
then I agree with you. Otherwise, the Arabs gambled and lost.

There is no doubt in my mind that the creation of the State of Israel was
poorly handled, just as the division of India was. The notion that
Palestine was "a land without people for a people without land" is pure
crap and the rights of the indigenous population (the Palestinians)
weren't considered.
Of course the Muslim's have an anti-Israel outlook, of that there is no
doubt. I've met a few who believe that Israel should be totally and
utterly destroyed. The various wars including the Six Day War are a
testimony to that, and you're right - the Arabs gambled and lost which
only strengthened Israel's claims to legitimacy.
I can only speculate on Jean's notion of "the true history" but it no
doubt involves a notion of Israel's right to existence as a Jewish state
because God gave it to them. The Bible is full of God justified genocides
commited by the Israelites in pursuit of its promised land. All the same,
Jean hasn't bothered to come back with his notion of the truth.
I'm sure you're aware that Apocalyptic Christians believe that a Jewish
state of Israel must exist as a precursor to Christ's second coming and
while they feign support for Israel and the Jews, look forward to the day
when Christ returns and whups their sorry asses for not believing in him.
.

User: "Reverend Dave"
Title: Re: Sharon opens the Gates of Hell (Assassination of Hamas leader)	07 Apr 2004 11:17:26 PM

(Werewolfy) wrote in
news:85ebfda0.0404070814.2bc34085@posting.google.com:

Reverend Dave <limolib@hotpantsmail.com> wrote in message
news:<Xns94C446B21750rev@192.168.0.3>...
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Oh, who cares about the silly post. No, what is a matter of intrigue
is the address of Reverend Dave.

I don't know too many clergymen withan address such as, 'hotpant
mail'. Now, a vicarage would be more....suitable.

Innominus Patrus, et Spiritus, Sanctus.

Werewolfy

You mean hotpantsmail,com but let's not quibble. Actually I meant to change
it to hotsocksmail.com but I forgot. It is of course a spam blocker. I also
forgot to put the instructions in, which should read "drop pants to email
me".
:)
.

User: "Werewolfy"
Title: Re: Sharon opens the Gates of Hell (Assassination of Hamas leader)	08 Apr 2004 10:31:13 AM

Reverend Dave <limolib@hotpantsmail.com> wrote in message > You mean hotpantsmail,com but let's not quibble. Actually I meant to change

it to hotsocksmail.com but I forgot. It is of course a spam blocker. I also
forgot to put the instructions in, which should read "drop pants to email
me".

:)

================================================================================
I like ya rev ;)
Clergy with a sense of humour are a welcome relief ;)
Oh...exorcise Guernon for us if it's not too late for him :)
Take that Taffy Davies chap along too ;)
Both have demons.
Cya.. grins, Ricky
.

User: "Reverend Dave"
Title: Re: Sharon opens the Gates of Hell (Assassination of Hamas leader)	14 Apr 2004 10:55:20 PM

(Werewolfy) wrote in
news:85ebfda0.0404080731.2807495e@posting.google.com:

Reverend Dave <limolib@hotpantsmail.com> wrote in message > You mean
hotpantsmail,com but let's not quibble. Actually I meant to change

it to hotsocksmail.com but I forgot. It is of course a spam blocker.
I also forgot to put the instructions in, which should read "drop
pants to email me".

:)

========================================================================
========

I like ya rev ;)

Clergy with a sense of humour are a welcome relief ;)

Oh...exorcise Guernon for us if it's not too late for him :)
Take that Taffy Davies chap along too ;)

Both have demons.

Cya.. grins, Ricky

It appears to be too late for poor old Jean. He seems to get some sort of
sick pleasure from the Israelis thumping the crap out of the
Palestinians, kick 'em while they're down, so to speak.He also seems to
have his head wrapped around a prophesy that declares that the end times
cannot begin until the State of Israel is reborn.
Unfortunately there is another prophesy which states that Israel cannot
be reborn until the Messiah comes. This of course is the position held by
some orthodox Messianic Jews.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
So tell me Ricky, is this Taffy as daffy as Jean?
.

User: "cdap"
Title: Re: Sharon opens the Gates of Hell (Assassination of Hamas leader)	03 Apr 2004 01:15:18 AM

In article <l38bc.70716$1A6.1937555@news20.bellglobal.com>, Reverend
Dave <limolib@hotpantsmail.com> wrote:

Anon Ymous wrote:

Reverend Dave <limolib@hotpantsmail.com> wrote in message
news:<JKOac.62200$1A6.1548166@news20.bellglobal.com>...

Jean Guernon wrote:

Reverend Dave a écrit:

Jean Guernon wrote:

Reverend Dave a écrit:

Jean Guernon wrote:

*snip*

What history are we talking about friend? One that suits your
perceptions or one that is accurate? Like this overview for example;

Which was snipped by you because it didn't agree with your notion of the
"Truth"

Nah, the true history. But what's the use. You obviously are an
anti-semite.

So what then is the "true" history? Stop being so vague and tell me this
"truth", otherwise I'll have to believe that you don't know!

Even the Jews know their history has been fudged as this article that
ran in the Jewish News Weekly of Northern California indicates. In the
article it is suggested that an archeological dig at the Gihon Spring in
Jerusalem provides evidence that "Jerusalem was a big and fortified city
already in 1,800 BCE, about 800 years before King David conquered the
city from the Jebusites. " and "Findings there show that the
sophisticated water system heretofore attributed to the conquering
Israelites pre-dated them by eight centuries and was even more
sophisticated than imagined."

http://www.jewishsf.com/content/2-0-/module/displaystory/story_id/9207/edi

tion_id/175/format/html/displaystory.html

So come on Jean, bring on your "truth"!!!!

As for me being an anti-semite, I suggest you look the word semite up in
a dictionary. :)

I have no idea whether or not you are an anti-semite, but here's the
dictionary definition on which Jean bases his claim (I think).

an·ti-Sem·ite n.
One who discriminates against or who is hostile toward or prejudiced
against Jews.

S~

Sure, the word was coined to mean "anti-Jewish" however it is a
distortion considering the definition of the word semite which is as
follows;

semite -
1. A member of a group of Semitic-speaking peoples of the Near East and
northern Africa, including the Arabs, Arameans, Babylonians,
Carthaginians, Ethiopians, Hebrews, and Phoenicians.
2. A Jew.
3. Bible. A descendant of Shem.

So by the first definition Palestinians are semites as well.

Am I anti-semite? No. I'm just opposed to the notion that the Israelies

maybe you are anti-zionist like me eh?
sharon was a war criminal according to time magazine 1983 approximately.
he had a pacification policy towards the disgruntled natives of
palestine
through oppresion and massive arrests he would ***** off whoever and say
"look at the terrorists"
I do believe george washingtion was considered a terrorist by the
english
when we were talking about gary condit sharon was building many new
settlements. suicide bombings were picking up. people thought i was
crazy
I was ignored but i did see it coming 911
I said we would not talk about gary condit as soon as they blew us the
hell up. after all we support israel we give them billions each year.
bush ignored the hell out of the situation and it bley up in his face.
choke!!!
lets talk prevetion next time around.
I lived in an occupied west germany my father replaced one of the only
people killed by the bader meinhoff gang.
where there is an occupation there you will find so-called terrorists.
do you think there are irish americans funneling weapons to the ira?
should the british bomb all of america?
why do they call them jewish/christian SETTLERS HMMM....
What are they SETTLING ON!!!
There is a secret holy war going on right under americas nose.
my bet is most americans would not stand for it if they were even
partially informed.
you got two kids fighting over a toy what do you do.
you would ask who had it first? who owns it?
I hate to say it but the twin towers were seen as a legitimate target.
after all who gave israel its weapons?
israel even has nukes. america has got to put sanctions on israel
until they pull back to the pre 1967 borders.
anyhow it is funny to see how ignorant most amercans are.
we will get it right eventually i do have faith.
it happended on 911 flight 11 and close to 911 in the morning.
HMMM....
pick up a phone and dial 911 and see what you get.
it was no coincidence.
why were all the threats sayong death to israel AND death to america
I would consider myself a jew unorthodox of course
I think jesus said he was a rabbi many times did jesus tell you to be
a christian?
another can of worms.
sincerely
jc
p.s.
you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink
you can tell people facts but you cannot make them think
.

User: "Reverend Dave"
Title: Re: Sharon opens the Gates of Hell (Assassination of Hamas leader)	04 Apr 2004 09:34:51 AM

cdap <holy-cdap-lad@attbi.com> wrote in
news:020420042315190546%holy-cdap-lad@attbi.com:
*snip*

maybe you are anti-zionist like me eh?

I'm opposed to any sort of extreme nationalism.

sharon was a war criminal according to time magazine 1983
approximately.

he had a pacification policy towards the disgruntled natives of
palestine

through oppresion and massive arrests he would ***** off whoever and
say "look at the terrorists"

This is a very good point.

I do believe george washingtion was considered a terrorist by the
english

when we were talking about gary condit sharon was building many new
settlements. suicide bombings were picking up. people thought i was
crazy
I was ignored but i did see it coming 911

I said we would not talk about gary condit as soon as they blew us the
hell up. after all we support israel we give them billions each year.

bush ignored the hell out of the situation and it bley up in his face.

choke!!!

lets talk prevetion next time around.

I lived in an occupied west germany my father replaced one of the only
people killed by the bader meinhoff gang.

where there is an occupation there you will find so-called terrorists.

do you think there are irish americans funneling weapons to the ira?

should the british bomb all of america?

why do they call them jewish/christian SETTLERS HMMM....

What are they SETTLING ON!!!

There is a secret holy war going on right under americas nose.
my bet is most americans would not stand for it if they were even
partially informed.

you got two kids fighting over a toy what do you do.
you would ask who had it first? who owns it?

I hate to say it but the twin towers were seen as a legitimate target.
after all who gave israel its weapons?
israel even has nukes. america has got to put sanctions on israel
until they pull back to the pre 1967 borders.

anyhow it is funny to see how ignorant most amercans are.
we will get it right eventually i do have faith.

it happended on 911 flight 11 and close to 911 in the morning.
HMMM....

pick up a phone and dial 911 and see what you get.

it was no coincidence.

why were all the threats sayong death to israel AND death to america

America has done its utmost to suppress Muslim populations and not just
those of the states bordering Israel. It's done mostly through economic
means.

I would consider myself a jew unorthodox of course

I think jesus said he was a rabbi many times did jesus tell you to be
a christian?

Nobody told me to be a Christian. And just to set the record straight and
to avoid any deception, I'm not. The title "reverend" is not exclusively
Christian.

another can of worms.

sincerely
jc

p.s.

you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink

you can tell people facts but you cannot make them think

User: "Michael Johnathan McDonald"
Title: Re: Sharon opens the Gates of Hell (Assassination of Hamas leader)	07 Apr 2004 09:55:54 PM

Reverend Dave <limolib@hotpantsmail.com> wrote in message news:<Xns94C446B21750rev@192.168.0.3>...

Well that is and has been a bone of contention for a quite a while Jean.
Are the Palestinians really terrorists or are they "freedom fighters"?
Prior to 1947, who's land was it?

Prior to 1200 A.D.? Whos land was it prior to 200 AD? Whos land was it
prior to 900 BC? on..andon..and..on......
as far as who's land it was – it was neither ones.
"Land without people for a people without land"?
Ancient Palestine:
Semitic people. Neither one was a Jew or a Muslim.
Farming people were the Canaanites.
Boating people were the Phoenicians
http://michaelreport.com/history/west/westcivila.html
Anti-Semite Posters do not have objectivity:
Anti-Semite Posters do not have objectivity: Jean spots them as people
who complain endlessly about Jews – did- this…Jews did
that…Its all the Jews fault... Well no it is not! Complainers
about the Christians and the Bible and Jews cannot, or do not know the
Koran or the Ancient Arabs before their World Religion. So I wrote a
few notes so you can understand what Jean knows.
The Qu'ran has limitless future justifications for Genocide mandates
in it , so what is your point? that Palestinians do not adhere to the
Qu'ran? Or that other cultures are safe from Genocide - wrong! Allah
(their god) Mandated it!
Jean knows this, so when he comes across people who dedicate posts
complaining that it is all the Jews fault, he calls them anti-Semite.
Because they have no objectivity to what is really happening – a
war between two different cultures that do not want to adapt to the
other.
God (Allah) gave the rite for the Muslims to rule the world –
Not just Palestine. Don't you think that they are trying to get
Palestine because they can only take one piece at a time? What happens
after they get all of Palestine – their book doesn’t say
– Well that’s it? Nope.. then in on to Europe and
Americas and China.
If you do not want to be called a anti-Semite by Jean you will need to
back up your statements with logic and reason. Why, because he knows
this stuff – something that you do not give him credit for.
Like?
(a)What is the motive for the Palestinians (Muslims) to rule the world
according to their book? How does this give weight to the Jewish
plight for survival on a small slice of land?
(b) Jews believe that God gave them Palestine. Muslims believe God
(Allah) gave them the entire world? How does this affect now?
Now you can finish your argument with Jean with respect and he will
return it – trust me he will.
--
Total Arab Population Surrounding Israel = 271,056,560
Total Population of Israel = 5,186,367 (2004).
http://michaelreport.com/history/east/arabs/arabs.html
.

User: "Reverend Dave"
Title: Re: Sharon opens the Gates of Hell (Assassination of Hamas leader)	08 Apr 2004 01:52:04 AM

(Michael Johnathan McDonald) wrote in
news:dd3256f0.0404071855.354e0ceb@posting.google.com:

Reverend Dave <limolib@hotpantsmail.com> wrote in message
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Well that is and has been a bone of contention for a quite a while
Jean. Are the Palestinians really terrorists or are they "freedom
fighters"? Prior to 1947, who's land was it?

Prior to 1200 A.D.? Whos land was it prior to 200 AD? Whos land was it
prior to 900 BC? on..andon..and..on......

The big difference between 1947 and these other dates is that they were
conquests by one civlization or another. The creation of the State of
Israel in 1947 was mandated and provided no protection for the
Palestinians. They were treated as squatters on their own land and moved
off at gunpoint with only what they could carry, in much the same way the
Nazi's treated the Jews.

as far as who's land it was – it was neither ones.

Really? And you base this on what?

"Land without people for a people without land"?

Ancient Palestine:
Semitic people. Neither one was a Jew or a Muslim.
Farming people were the Canaanites.
Boating people were the Phoenicians

http://michaelreport.com/history/west/westcivila.html

OK, so you have a brief history which does point out that the Israelites
were not always in control.

Anti-Semite Posters do not have objectivity:
Anti-Semite Posters do not have objectivity: Jean spots them as people
who complain endlessly about Jews – did- this…Jews did
that…Its all the Jews fault... Well no it is not! Complainers
about the Christians and the Bible and Jews cannot, or do not know the
Koran or the Ancient Arabs before their World Religion. So I wrote a
few notes so you can understand what Jean knows.

Are you sure you know what Jean knows?

The Qu'ran has limitless future justifications for Genocide mandates
in it , so what is your point? that Palestinians do not adhere to the
Qu'ran? Or that other cultures are safe from Genocide - wrong! Allah
(their god) Mandated it!

Yes, what is your point? How does this relate to what happened in
Palestine in the 19th and early 20th centuries?

Jean knows this, so when he comes across people who dedicate posts
complaining that it is all the Jews fault, he calls them anti-Semite.
Because they have no objectivity to what is really happening – a
war between two different cultures that do not want to adapt to the
other.

You are absolutely correct, it is a war between two different cultures.
And any attempts to try to bring about peace are always undermined by one
side or the other.

God (Allah) gave the rite for the Muslims to rule the world –
Not just Palestine. Don't you think that they are trying to get
Palestine because they can only take one piece at a time? What happens
after they get all of Palestine – their book doesn’t say
– Well that’s it? Nope.. then in on to Europe and
Americas and China.

You seem to have gotten yourself hung up on the religious aspect of the
conflict. While it has become an important part of the issue it is not
the root cause. The root cause is the displacement of people who had
lived in Palestine for at least two millenia.

If you do not want to be called a anti-Semite by Jean you will need to
back up your statements with logic and reason. Why, because he knows
this stuff – something that you do not give him credit for.

Like?
(a)What is the motive for the Palestinians (Muslims) to rule the world
according to their book? How does this give weight to the Jewish
plight for survival on a small slice of land?

(b) Jews believe that God gave them Palestine. Muslims believe God
(Allah) gave them the entire world? How does this affect now?

I'm fully aware that there are Muslims who believe this but there are
many more Muslims who don't. There are Muslims who believe that Israel
should be wiped off the map and I cringe when I hear this. My stance is
that what's done is done but now that it is, let's try to work it out for
the benefit of everyone.

Now you can finish your argument with Jean with respect and he will
return it – trust me he will.

Based on the somewhat biased information you've provided of course.... I
think not!

--

Total Arab Population Surrounding Israel = 271,056,560
Total Population of Israel = 5,186,367 (2004).

http://michaelreport.com/history/east/arabs/arabs.html

Did you write this? It sounds terribly anti-Arab to me.
Your so called "logic and reason" appears to be rooted in a whole lot of
fear and emotion and. Is what you claim really as objective as you
profess it to be? I suspect not. And it seems you and Jean have still
managed to miss the root cause of the whole mess.
Rather than messing around with subjective crap, try reading these.....
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpa/ngo/history.html
See also: The Origins and Evolution of the Palestine Problem Part I on
the same page.

http://www.wrmea.com/jews_for_justice/
http://www.jfjfp.org/
.

User: "Michael Johnathan McDonald"
Title: Re: Sharon opens the Gates of Hell (Assassination of Hamas leader)	08 Apr 2004 12:59:17 PM

Reverend Dave <limolib@hotpantsmail.com> wrote in message news:<Xns94C52004160FDrev@192.168.0.3>...

abookoflife@yahoo.com (Michael Johnathan McDonald) wrote in
news:dd3256f0.0404071855.354e0ceb@posting.google.com:

Reverend Dave <limolib@hotpantsmail.com> wrote in message
news:<Xns94C446B21750rev@192.168.0.3>...

Well that is and has been a bone of contention for a quite a while
Jean. Are the Palestinians really terrorists or are they "freedom
fighters"? Prior to 1947, who's land was it?

Prior to 1200 A.D.? Whos land was it prior to 200 AD? Whos land was it
prior to 900 BC? on..andon..and..on......

as far as who's land it was – it was neither ones.

Really? And you base this on what?

OK, so you have a brief history which does point out that the Israelites
were not always in control.

Are you sure you know what Jean knows?

Yes, what is your point? How does this relate to what happened in
Palestine in the 19th and early 20th centuries?

You are absolutely correct, it is a war between two different cultures.
And any attempts to try to bring about peace are always undermined by one
side or the other.

Now you can finish your argument with Jean with respect and he will
return it – trust me he will.

Based on the somewhat biased information you've provided of course.... I
think not!

--

Total Arab Population Surrounding Israel = 271,056,560
Total Population of Israel = 5,186,367 (2004).

http://michaelreport.com/history/east/arabs/arabs.html

"The Palestine problem became an international issue towards the end
of the First World War ."
The opening line to your dear link, is a lie, and as you call it
subjective crap. If you cannot figure why this line is a bunch of
stupidity, then you deserve Jean calling you names. This opening
statement is a blatant falsity, when a historian looks at this
statement. If you cannot recognize it, then you cannot recognize why
Jean calls those names.
I think I have said enough on this subject.
.

User: "Reverend Dave"
Title: Re: Sharon opens the Gates of Hell (Assassination of Hamas leader)	14 Apr 2004 11:24:19 PM

(Michael Johnathan McDonald) spewed in
news:dd3256f0.0404080959.7e5c618f@posting.google.com:

Reverend Dave <limolib@hotpantsmail.com> wrote in message
news:<Xns94C52004160FDrev@192.168.0.3>...

*snip*

"The Palestine problem became an international issue towards the end
of the First World War ."

The opening line to your dear link, is a lie, and as you call it
subjective crap. If you cannot figure why this line is a bunch of
stupidity, then you deserve Jean calling you names. This opening
statement is a blatant falsity, when a historian looks at this
statement. If you cannot recognize it, then you cannot recognize why
Jean calls those names.

Actually, Jean mentioned the Balfour Declaration glowingly, which is what
this opening line refers to, so I'll have to conclude more subjectivity
on your part. As I said before, the Balfour Declaration did not protect
the rights of the people who were already living in Palestine prior to
the influx of Jewish settlers. And the poor bastards have been paying for
it ever since..

I think I have said enough on this subject.

Well as Mark Twain once said "It is better to keep your mouth shut and
let people think you are a fool than to open your mouth and remove all
doubt."

User: "Jean Guernon"
Title: Re: Sharon opens the Gates of Hell (Assassination of Hamas leader)	08 Apr 2004 03:05:13 PM

Reverend Dave a écrit:

abookoflife@yahoo.com (Michael Johnathan McDonald) wrote in
news:dd3256f0.0404071855.354e0ceb@posting.google.com:

Reverend Dave <limolib@hotpantsmail.com> wrote in message
news:<Xns94C446B21750rev@192.168.0.3>...
[snip]

Nah this also is a lie.
iN A NYUTSHELL Palestine was inhabited by both for millenia, and in 47 it was
shared between the two.
Period. Then there was a war agaisnt Israel. So Isarel has to put security
buffers from The barbarians.
Let's look at the truth about the people who lived there, surely not the
millions that flocked afterwards from neighboring arab countries:
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/myths/mf1.html
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The term "Palestine" is believed to be derived from the Philistines, an Aegean
people who, in the 12th Century B.C.E., settled along the Mediterranean coastal
plain of what are now Israel and the Gaza Strip. In the second century C.E.,
after crushing the last Jewish revolt, the Romans first applied the name
Palaestina to Judea (the southern portion of what is now called the West Bank)
in an attempt to minimize Jewish identification with the land of Israel. The
Arabic word "Filastin" is derived from this Latin name.3
The Hebrews entered the Land of Israel about 1300 B.C.E., living under a tribal
confederation until being united under the first monarch, King Saul. The second
king, David, established Jerusalem as the capital around 1000 B.C.E. David's
son, Solomon built the Temple soon thereafter and consolidated the military,
administrative and religious functions of the kingdom. The nation was divided
under Solomon's son, with the northern kingdom (Israel) lasting until 722
B.C.E., when the Assyrians destroyed it, and the southern kingdom (Judah)
surviving until the Babylonian conquest in 586 B.C.E. The Jewish people enjoyed
brief periods of sovereignty afterward before most Jews were finally driven from
their homeland in 135 C.E.
Jewish independence in the Land of Israel lasted for more than 400 years. This
is much longer than Americans have enjoyed independence in what has become known
as the United States.4 In fact, if not for foreign conquerors, Israel would be
3,000 years old today.
Palestine was never an exclusively Arab country, although Arabic gradually
became the language of most the population after the Muslim invasions of the
seventh century. No independent Arab or Palestinian state ever existed in
Palestine. When the distinguished Arab-American historian, Princeton University
Prof. Philip Hitti, testified against partition before the Anglo-American
Committee in 1946, he said: "There is no such thing as 'Palestine' in history,
absolutely not."5
Prior to partition, Palestinian Arabs did not view themselves as having a
separate identity. When the First Congress of Muslim-Christian Associations met
in Jerusalem in February 1919 to choose Palestinian representatives for the
Paris Peace Conference, the following resolution was adopted:
We consider Palestine as part of Arab Syria, as it has never been separated from
it at any time. We are connected with it by national, religious, linguistic,
natural, economic and geographical bonds.6
In 1937, a local Arab leader, Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, told the Peel Commission,
which ultimately suggested the partition of Palestine: "There is no such country
[as Palestine]! 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented! There is no
Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria."7
The representative of the Arab Higher Committee to the United Nations submitted
a statement to the General Assembly in May 1947 that said "Palestine was part of
the Province of Syria" and that, "politically, the Arabs of Palestine were not
independent in the sense of forming a separate political entity." A few years
later, Ahmed Shuqeiri, later the chairman of the PLO, told the Security Council:
"It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but southern Syria."8
Palestinian Arab nationalism is largely a post-World War I phenomenon that did
not become a significant political movement until after the 1967 Six-Day War and
Israel's capture of the West Bank.
Palestinian claims to be related to the Canaanites are a recent phenomenon and
contrary to historical evidence. The Canaanites disappeared from the face of the
earth three millennia ago, and no one knows if any of their descendants survived
or, if they did, who they would be.
Sherif Hussein, the guardian of the Islamic Holy Places in Arabia, said the
Palestinians' ancestors had only been in the area for 1,000 years.9 Even the
Palestinians themselves have acknowledged their association with the region came
long after the Jews. In testimony before the Anglo-American Committee in 1946,
for example, they claimed a connection to Palestine of more than 1,000 years,
dating back no further than the conquest of Muhammad's followers in the 7th
century.10 And that claim is also dubious. Over the last 2,000 years, there have
been massive invasions that killed off most of the local people (e.g., the
Crusades), migrations, the plague, and other manmade or natural disasters. The
entire local population was replaced many times over. During the British mandate
alone, more than 100,000 Arabs emigrated from neighboring countries and are
today considered Palestinians.
By contrast, no serious historian questions the more than 3,000-year-old Jewish
connection to the Land of Israel, or the modern Jewish people's relation to the
ancient Hebrews.
Quote:
“...[the Palestinian Arabs'] basic sense of corporate historic identity was, at
different levels, Muslim or Arab or - for some - Syrian; it is significant that
even by the end of the Mandate in 1948, after thirty years of separate
Palestinian political existence, there were virtually no books in Arabic on the
history of Palestine..”
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Yep. They are told that. I think that Muhamad didn't tell them that, just some
one else who was a later liar.
But yes, they want it all. What do they have right now? Why doN,t they integrate
the refugees witht eh huge amount of money they have taken from the wold
community for that in 20 years? What do they have to lose? Are they so short of
territories? The truth is that they are totally intolerant.

Now you can finish your argument with Jean with respect and he will
return it – trust me he will.

Based on the somewhat biased information you've provided of course.... I
think not!

--

Total Arab Population Surrounding Israel = 271,056,560
Total Population of Israel = 5,186,367 (2004).

http://michaelreport.com/history/east/arabs/arabs.html

You can add this Micchael:
Israel total: 20,770 sq km
(These are the people who gave them/us the book)
Territories from (some) Arab countries:
Algeria total: 2,381,740 sq km
Egypt total: 1,001,450 sq km
Iran total: 1.648 million sq km
Iraq total: 437,072 sq km
Jordan total: 92,300 sq km
Libya total: 1,759,540 sq km
Morocco total: 446,550 sq km
Saudi Arabia total: 1,960,582 sq km
Syria total: 185,180 sq km
Tunisia total: 163,610 sq km
United Arab Emirates : 82,880 sq km
Yemen total: 527,970 sq km
___________________________________________
Well over 10 millions sq km just for those above (10 686 874).
What is their beef with territories they legitimately shared (not lost, it
wasn't theirs to begin with)?
Why can't they accept the existence of Israel which is historical since the
beginning of history.
The Arabs have hegemony on more than 99.98% of the whole mid-east territory.
How come they feel threatened by those on less than 2/10 or 1% of the whole place?
Not religion. We know Jews don't try to convert Muslims, it's the other way
around...

Did you write this? It sounds terribly anti-Arab to me.

Your so called "logic and reason" appears to be rooted in a whole lot of
fear and emotion and. Is what you claim really as objective as you
profess it to be? I suspect not. And it seems you and Jean have still
managed to miss the root cause of the whole mess.

Rather than messing around with subjective crap, try reading these.....

http://www.un.org/Depts/dpa/ngo/history.html

Bah, that doesn't mean that the UN recognizes any saying in the matter by the
hammassholes terrorists. They, along with the kuillers of Arafat, need to be
eliminated first.

See also: The Origins and Evolution of the Palestine Problem Part I on
the same page.

http://www.wrmea.com/jews_for_justice/

I see you have ***** links full of propaganda and false representation.
BTW, the resolution about attackers must give back land doesn't mean Israel has
to give back anything. it was not an attacker. It can keep security buffers by
the very nature of this resolution.
And until the terrorists supporter Arafat is deceased, ther won't be much that
can be done there.

http://www.jfjfp.org/

Anpother ***** false representation link.
The assholes who express outrage for the killing of a mass murderers in your
latestr link can ALL KISS MY ROSIE *****.
THEY CAN ALL EAT *****.
As yiou,.
All the terroritsts m,ust be eliminated. Under the ground with killers of
innocent civilians. And no, this has niothing tpo do with colatteral dammage
while going after these pieces of *****. They are also the sole responsible for
this as well. Read the damn Geneva convention.
Terrorists ***** kisser!
J.
.

User: "Reverend Dave"
Title: Re: Sharon opens the Gates of Hell (Assassination of Hamas leader)	14 Apr 2004 11:54:40 PM

Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in
news:Zfidc.1776481$iA2.209633@news.easynews.com:

*snip*

You seem to have gotten yourself hung up on the religious aspect of
the conflict. While it has become an important part of the issue it
is not the root cause. The root cause is the displacement of people
who had lived in Palestine for at least two millenia.

Hey! You said "let's look at the truth" not "let's look at some Zionist
propaganda"!
*you snip mine, I'll snip your's!*

---------

*snip*

Rather than messing around with subjective crap, try reading
these.....

http://www.un.org/Depts/dpa/ngo/history.html

Bah, that doesn't mean that the UN recognizes any saying in the matter
by the hammassholes terrorists. They, along with the kuillers of
Arafat, need to be eliminated first.

See also: The Origins and Evolution of the Palestine Problem Part I
on the same page.

http://www.wrmea.com/jews_for_justice/

I see you have ***** links full of propaganda and false representation.

I see you are totally brain-washed by Zionist propanganda, It's OK for
you to use the Balfour Declaration and a 1947 UN declaration but when I
use something from "Jews for Justice" or a UN paper you declare them to
be "***** links"?

BTW, the resolution about attackers must give back land doesn't mean
Israel has to give back anything. it was not an attacker. It can keep
security buffers by the very nature of this resolution.

Your opinion.

And until the terrorists supporter Arafat is deceased, ther won't be
much that can be done there.

http://www.jfjfp.org/

Anpother ***** false representation link.

What's the matter Jean? Don't like what you see?

The assholes who express outrage for the killing of a mass murderers
in your latestr link can ALL KISS MY ROSIE *****.

THEY CAN ALL EAT *****.

Hey, there's this goat in my backyard, bleating away with a weird French
accent about anti-semites. I think it must be yours!

As yiou,.

Yiou?

All the terroritsts m,ust be eliminated. Under the ground with killers
of innocent civilians. And no, this has niothing tpo do with
colatteral dammage while going after these pieces of *****. They are
also the sole responsible for this as well. Read the damn Geneva
convention.

Yeah, there's something in there about armies killing and terrorizing
civilians too!!!!

Terrorists ***** kisser!

Why is it that you always resort to ad hominem? Do you think it makes
your position more credible?
Does your mind work only in black and white? I'm not anti-semite and I'm
not pro-terrorist. I'm opposed to the atrocities commited by both sides
whereas your sick twisted mind makes you squeal with pleasure anytime a
Palestinian is killed, or a house is bulldozed irregardless of whether
there is proof that the person killed or the occupants of the house were
linked to terrorism or not.
Not all Jews in Israel are as right-wing and Pro-Zionist as you think,
some went to the Holy Land expressly for the purpose of being in the Holy
Land and not to create a State of Israel. Many Jews are just as opposed
to what is going on in Israel as I am. Some Jews don't believe that the
State of Israel should exist as a creation of man, that's up to the
Messiah to do, and no I don't mean Jesus! The Jews in Israel who are not
ultra right wing Zionists are forced to be quiet, in fear of
repercussions, just as Germans who opposed Hitler in Nazi Germany were
forced to do!
.

User: "Jean Guernon"
Title: Re: Sharon opens the Gates of Hell (Assassination of Hamas leader)	18 Apr 2004 12:34:56 AM

Reverend Dave a écrit:

Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in
news:Zfidc.1776481$iA2.209633@news.easynews.com:

*snip*

You seem to have gotten yourself hung up on the religious aspect of
the conflict. While it has become an important part of the issue it
is not the root cause. The root cause is the displacement of people
who had lived in Palestine for at least two millenia.

Hey! You said "let's look at the truth" not "let's look at some Zionist
propaganda"!

*you snip mine, I'll snip your's!*

---------

*snip*

Terrorists ***** kisser!

Despite all the ignoramus of the world who are indeed stirred by anti-semite
propaganda, this is just fate of those who support terror. this is sanctioned by
the Geneva convention. no one shall use civilian dwellings to conduct military
operations, nor anyone willfully attack innocent civilians.
Now, getting those terrorists is legitimate, especially if they illegally hide
under the skirts of civilians, and especially if the provisional government of
these territories is protecting these pieces of *****.
This is basic Geneva Convention. It doesn't matter that there are many nations
support terrorists like Hamas, they still are legitimate targets, just low life
terrorists. And no, Israel is not a terrorist state. All your lies do not fly.
What iisrael is doing now is worthy of all praise. It doesn't' wait around for a
change in the leadership. Of course it won't deal with terrorists supporters.
Of course it will wait until Palies vote for someone who can be dealt with.
But they voluntarily retreat to where negotiations would likely bring them. They
let the losers wallow in t heir fartitude until they vote for a leadership that
will deliver them a nation, not the actual one that only deliver them ***** and
keeps the money it gets for improvement in Swiss bank accounts. Meanwhile the
fence will hopefully sealed the barbarians from the people of the cradle of
civilization who gave us the old testament.
israel has made all the concession so far and didn't need to make any. The UN
guarantees that only those who attack, the Arabs, must suffer the consequences.
it is black on white. Of course all the milestones of history are still up for
grab in future negotiations and likely more legitimate to the older religions
than they are to the newer. Jerusalem is certainly a contentious issue, with the
same special status for both it has always had, even if since the attack, the
real legitimacy is on the side of Israel. Still the conciliation of the Hebrew
state is legendary in the circumstances, despite the fact that the Palies and
other terrorists supporters never recognize any such legitimate circumstances.
It is easy to see who is truly anti-semite, we only have to look at the last
vote at the UN promoting the chief murderer of a terrorist organization that is
there only to destroy totally Israel and kill innocent civilians and never
respect any rule of engagement or even decency, against those who only always
just defend themselves in accordance to the rule of war.
Very easy to see who are the enemy of humanity. You, BTW, are part of them.
Anyway, when Arafat will be dead or of the palies wake up, what will remain to
be dealt with to get them some recognition will occur... Until then, they are by
themselves with almost everything they will ever get to built upon, not continue
to do nothing and destroy. As long as they want their terrorists, israel won't
let them in, and will get those who kill innocents as it is their absolute right
and duty to do, no matte what the antisemite losers everywhere, including you, say.
J.
.

User: "Reverend Dave"
Title: Re: Sharon opens the Gates of Hell (Assassination of Hamas leader)	22 Apr 2004 01:11:43 AM

Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in
news:4sogc.13303850$Id.2210215@news.easynews.com:

Reverend Dave a écrit:

*snip*

Does your mind work only in black and white? I'm not anti-semite and
I'm not pro-terrorist. I'm opposed to the atrocities commited by both
sides whereas your sick twisted mind makes you squeal with pleasure
anytime a Palestinian is killed, or a house is bulldozed irregardless
of whether there is proof that the person killed or the occupants of
the house were linked to terrorism or not.

Invoking the Geneva Convention to support your views is possibly the
worst thing you could possibly do Jean. Israeli soldiers have "willfully
attacked and killed innocent civilians".

Now, getting those terrorists is legitimate, especially if they
illegally hide under the skirts of civilians, and especially if the
provisional government of these territories is protecting these pieces
of *****.

This is basic Geneva Convention. It doesn't matter that there are many
nations support terrorists like Hamas, they still are legitimate
targets, just low life terrorists. And no, Israel is not a terrorist
state. All your lies do not fly.

Which lies are those Jean? My United Nations documents? The sworn
testimony of UN workers and soldiers? Are these the lies you refer to?

What iisrael is doing now is worthy of all praise. It doesn't' wait
around for a change in the leadership. Of course it won't deal with
terrorists supporters.

You are a sick man Jean. What Israel does is to inflame the Palestinians
in order to turn around and retaliate. Ten Palestinians die for every
Israeli and many of them are nothing more than rock throwing kids up
against armour clad warriors.

Of course it will wait until Palies vote for someone who can be dealt
with.

You mean once the Palestians have finally been beaten into the ground and
accept the terms as Israel lays them out.

But they voluntarily retreat to where negotiations would likely bring
them. They let the losers wallow in t heir fartitude until they vote
for a leadership that will deliver them a nation, not the actual one
that only deliver them ***** and keeps the money it gets for
improvement in Swiss bank accounts. Meanwhile the fence will hopefully
sealed the barbarians from the people of the cradle of civilization
who gave us the old testament.

Ah yes, the Old Testament, full of rape, murder, incest, fratricide and
genocide to name a few. The orginal source for the phrase "I was only
following orders".

israel has made all the concession so far and didn't need to make any.
The UN guarantees that only those who attack, the Arabs, must suffer
the consequences. it is black on white. Of course all the milestones
of history are still up for grab in future negotiations and likely
more legitimate to the older religions than they are to the newer.
Jerusalem is certainly a contentious issue, with the same special
status for both it has always had, even if since the attack, the real
legitimacy is on the side of Israel. Still the conciliation of the
Hebrew state is legendary in the circumstances, despite the fact that
the Palies and other terrorists supporters never recognize any such
legitimate circumstances. It is easy to see who is truly anti-semite,
we only have to look at the last vote at the UN promoting the chief
murderer of a terrorist organization that is there only to destroy
totally Israel and kill innocent civilians and never respect any rule
of engagement or even decency, against those who only always just
defend themselves in accordance to the rule of war.

Israel has made no concessions. Israel is in direct contravention of the
mandates of Resolution 181 Chapter 2 article 8
"No expropriation of land owned by an Arab in the Jewish State (by a Jew
in the Arab State) shall be allowed except for public purposes. In all
cases of expropriation full compensation as fixed by the Supreme Court
shall be paid previous to dispossession."
In most cases full compensation was never paid.
Israel is commiting a slow genocide of the Palestinian people and some of
Israel's highest ranking officials are war criminals as outlined in the
Geneva Convention.
Ariel Sharon was part of a "goon squad" (unit 101) which forced Arabs off
of their land and out of their villages. One incident occured at El-
Bureij
"According to the local UN officer Vagn Bennike, hand grenades were
thrown into houses while the inhabitants were sleeping, and those trying
to escape were mowed down with machine guns.
Only two months later, in October, a heavy shade was cast on the unit,
following its raid into the village of Qibya, in the northern West Bank
then a part of Jordan. The unit had received explicit orders to maximize
casualties and up to 70 innocent civilians were killed. The mode of
operation was similar to that of El-Bureig, but on a larger scale."
So you see Jean, the Israelis are far from innocent themselves. Prior to
the creation of the State of Israel, Jewish terrorists were murdering
Arabs as well as assasinating British on a regular basis. This
information is well documented and is considered a war crime under the
Geneva Convention. Even to this day the Mosad carries out assasinations
and kidnappings as part of its day to day operations. Here's a couple of
name you might want to consider - Gerald Bull & Mordecai Vanunu. While
you might argue that Vanunu was a traitor you might also want to ask why
Israel really needs atomic WMD considering the US had pretty much hobbled
the military capability of most of the Arab nations around Israel.

Very easy to see who are the enemy of humanity. You, BTW, are part of
them. Anyway, when Arafat will be dead or of the palies wake up, what
will remain to be dealt with to get them some recognition will
occur... Until then, they are by themselves with almost everything
they will ever get to built upon, not continue to do nothing and
destroy. As long as they want their terrorists, israel won't let them
in, and will get those who kill innocents as it is their absolute
right and duty to do, no matte what the antisemite losers everywhere,
including you, say.

This is all just so much subjective pap. Your notion that all
Palestinians are terrorists, the very young, the very old and the infirm
included just doesn't fly. It is an utter lie. That would be like saying
that all French Canadians are separatists and members of the FLQ and
therefore terrorists.
Hey, wait a minute, you're French Canadian aren't you Jean? Well aren't
you?
Fucking terrorist!
:)
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User: "Jean Guernon"
Title: Re: Sharon opens the Gates of Hell (Assassination of Hamas leader)	07 Apr 2004 05:54:20 PM

Reverend Dave a écrit:

Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in
news:1bHcc.12586476$Of.2101166@news.easynews.com:

Reverend Dave a écrit:

*snip*

semite -
1. A member of a group of Semitic-speaking peoples of the Near East
and northern Africa, including the Arabs, Arameans, Babylonians,
Carthaginians, Ethiopians, Hebrews, and Phoenicians.
2. A Jew.
3. Bible. A descendant of Shem.

So by the first definition Palestinians are semites as well.

Nobody dispute that, idiot anti-semite. Onklty anti-semite, BTW, have
such a discourse.

Repeatedly calling me an anti-semite doesn't make it so my friend. And
yes, we've already established that the term was originally coined to
describe people who harbour anti-Jewish sentiments.

What originally?
It never changed, dumbo.
Only those who promote anti-semite propaganda like you try to change it, it
still is that way in every modern dictionaries in 2004.
Wake the ***** up, damn anti-semite.
Shame.
J.
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User: "Reverend Dave"
Title: Re: Sharon opens the Gates of Hell (Assassination of Hamas leader)	07 Apr 2004 11:42:56 PM

Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in
news:wE%cc.12570931$Id.2096257@news.easynews.com:

Reverend Dave a écrit:

Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in
news:1bHcc.12586476$Of.2101166@news.easynews.com:

Reverend Dave a écrit:

*snip*

Nobody dispute that, idiot anti-semite. Onklty anti-semite, BTW, have
such a discourse.

Repeatedly calling me an anti-semite doesn't make it so my friend.
And yes, we've already established that the term was originally
coined to describe people who harbour anti-Jewish sentiments.

What originally?

It never changed, dumbo.

Perhaps the problem here is that English is a second language for you
Jean, or perhaps it is that you are just a stubborn jackass. You seem to
want to disagree merely for the sake of disagreeing. What I posted above
is correct however the term anti-semite as I pointed out in my analogy
(which you snipped) as referring specifically to Jews is actually
incorrect as there are numerous people in the Middle East who can be
categorized as Semites.

Only those who promote anti-semite propaganda like you try to change
it, it still is that way in every modern dictionaries in 2004.

Well Jean, things do change, and definitions change over time, depending
on usage. That's just the was language works. The more people who use
anti-semite to mean people who are anti-Arab as well as anti-Jew the more
it will come into popularity as an accepted definition.

Wake the ***** up, damn anti-semite.

As I pointed out before, your constant braying about me being an anti-
semite doesn't make it so.

Shame.

The real shame is that you never bothered to post a damned thing about
the true history of Israel that you so proudly proclaim to know. And
forget about trying to use the Bible as the "true" history because even
Israeli scholars are at odds to reconcile many of the events depicted in
the Bible with the archeological record.
.

User: "Jean Guernon"
Title: Re: Sharon opens the Gates of Hell (Assassination of Hamas leader)	08 Apr 2004 02:13:30 PM

Reverend Dave a écrit:

Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in
news:wE%cc.12570931$Id.2096257@news.easynews.com:

Reverend Dave a écrit:

Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in
news:1bHcc.12586476$Of.2101166@news.easynews.com:

Reverend Dave a écrit:

*snip*

Nobody dispute that, idiot anti-semite. Onklty anti-semite, BTW, have
such a discourse.

Repeatedly calling me an anti-semite doesn't make it so my friend.
And yes, we've already established that the term was originally
coined to describe people who harbour anti-Jewish sentiments.

What originally?

It never changed, dumbo.

Only those who promote anti-semite propaganda like you try to change
it, it still is that way in every modern dictionaries in 2004.

Wake the ***** up, damn anti-semite.

As I pointed out before, your constant braying about me being an anti-
semite doesn't make it so.

Shame.

So what? small details are trivialities. Overall they agree. I don't get you
anti-semites. Always try to confuse people with trivialities to make forget your
big lies.
If you, but like most people who have no clue about the Seer here but are here
only to spread hatred you don't, I should say, "anyone who", really wants to
know, who really wonders, about debunking (your) anti-semite lies and half
truth, should go to reliable sources. Not your usual anti-US or anti-Israel
propaganda lies which perpetuate myts. Thjese myths are debunked there:
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/myths/index.html
Now about the origin of the Iraelis, this site
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/myths/mf1.html will educate anyone as to their
pertinence, and it includes such lie as: “The Jews have no claim to the land
they call Israel.”
Answer:
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
FACT
A common misperception is that all the Jews were forced into the Diaspora by the
Romans after the destruction of the Second Temple in Jerusalem in the year 70
C.E. and then, 1,800 years later, suddenly returned to Palestine demanding their
country back. In reality, the Jewish people have maintained ties to their
historic homeland for more than 3,700 years.
The Jewish people base their claim to the Land of Israel on at least four
premises: 1) the Jewish people settled and developed the land; 2) the
international community granted political sovereignty in Palestine to the Jewish
people; 3) the territory was captured in defensive wars and 4) God promised the
land to the patriarch Abraham.
Even after the destruction of the Second Temple in Jerusalem and the beginning
of the exile, Jewish life in the Land of Israel continued and often flourished.
Large communities were reestablished in Jerusalem and Tiberias by the ninth
century. In the 11th century, Jewish communities grew in Rafah, Gaza, Ashkelon,
Jaffa and Caesarea.
The Crusaders massacred many Jews during the 12th century, but the community
rebounded in the next two centuries as large numbers of rabbis and Jewish
pilgrims immigrated to Jerusalem and the Galilee. Prominent rabbis established
communities in Safed, Jerusalem and elsewhere during the next 300 years. By the
early 19th century — years before the birth of the modern Zionist movement —
more than 10,000 Jews lived throughout what is today Israel.1 The 78 years of
nation-building, beginning in 1870, culminated in the reestablishment of the
Jewish State.
Israel's international "birth certificate" was validated by the promise of the
Bible; uninterrupted Jewish settlement from the time of Joshua onward; the
Balfour Declaration of 1917; the League of Nations Mandate, which incorporated
the Balfour Declaration; the United Nations partition resolution of 1947;
Israel's admission to the UN in 1949; the recognition of Israel by most other
states; and, most of all, the society created by Israel's people in decades of
thriving, dynamic national existence.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
If you want to know more you can go to these sites.
Please stop spreading your lies on prophetic NGs.
Thank you very much.
J.
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User: "Reverend Dave"
Title: Re: Sharon opens the Gates of Hell (Assassination of Hamas leader)	14 Apr 2004 11:16:47 PM

Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in
news:uvhdc.12719873$Of.2121342@news.easynews.com:

Reverend Dave a écrit:

*snip*

The real shame is that you never bothered to post a damned thing
about the true history of Israel that you so proudly proclaim to
know. And forget about trying to use the Bible as the "true" history
because even Israeli scholars are at odds to reconcile many of the
events depicted in the Bible with the archeological record.

So what? small details are trivialities. Overall they agree. I don't
get you anti-semites. Always try to confuse people with trivialities
to make forget your big lies.

All you're trying yo do is confuse people with your garbled attempt at
rhetoric, and I have to say that it's not working.

If you, but like most people who have no clue about the Seer here but
are here only to spread hatred you don't, I should say, "anyone who",
really wants to know, who really wonders, about debunking (your)
anti-semite lies and half truth, should go to reliable sources. Not
your usual anti-US or anti-Israel propaganda lies which perpetuate
myts. Thjese myths are debunked there:
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/myths/index.html

There's nothing like a good old pro-Israel Zionist website to set the
record straight. You go on about debunking and propaganda yet you post
this as proof?

Now about the origin of the Iraelis, this site
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/myths/mf1.html will educate anyone as
to their pertinence, and it includes such lie as: “The Jews have no
claim to the land they call Israel.”

Answer:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
------- FACT

A common misperception is that all the Jews were forced into the
Diaspora by the Romans after the destruction of the Second Temple in
Jerusalem in the year 70 C.E. and then, 1,800 years later, suddenly
returned to Palestine demanding their country back. In reality, the
Jewish people have maintained ties to their historic homeland for more
than 3,700 years.

This is true, however the Jews that remained in Palestine were never in
the majority nor were they ever in control of the affairs of the region.

The Jewish people base their claim to the Land of Israel on at least
four premises: 1) the Jewish people settled and developed the land; 2)
the international community granted political sovereignty in Palestine
to the Jewish people; 3) the territory was captured in defensive wars
and 4) God promised the land to the patriarch Abraham.

1) the land was already settled and developed by the Canaanites
2) this as stated was mishandled
3) Israel did as much to instigate the "defensive wars" as any of the
other combatants and the other combatants did not do it on behalf of the
people of Palestine but as a land grab for themselves
4) Don't the Muslims make the same claim?

Even after the destruction of the Second Temple in Jerusalem and the
beginning of the exile, Jewish life in the Land of Israel continued
and often flourished. Large communities were reestablished in
Jerusalem and Tiberias by the ninth century. In the 11th century,
Jewish communities grew in Rafah, Gaza, Ashkelon, Jaffa and Caesarea.

Yes, Orthodox Jews who wanted to live in the Holy Land, farm it, but had
no political will.

The Crusaders massacred many Jews during the 12th century, but the
community rebounded in the next two centuries as large numbers of
rabbis and Jewish pilgrims immigrated to Jerusalem and the Galilee.
Prominent rabbis established communities in Safed, Jerusalem and
elsewhere during the next 300 years. By the early 19th century — years
before the birth of the modern Zionist movement — more than 10,000
Jews lived throughout what is today Israel.1 The 78 years of
nation-building, beginning in 1870, culminated in the reestablishment
of the Jewish State.

Wow! 10,0