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The shuttles were certainly impressive back in
the 1980s, and JPL/NASA has plenty to be proud
of regarding 'em. But here in the 21st century,
what's left of that rusty old shuttle fleet is
like "flying garbage cans" in light of present
technologies. After all they never could "fly"
beyond low-earth orbit, not one ONE-THOUSANDTH
the distance to the Moon! And the lame excuses
like "they weren't designed to leave low-earth
orbit" are by now worn out. If man really went
to the Moon--back when "2001: A Space Odyssey"
was headlining marquees at your local theatres,
hippies and flower children were "grooving" to
the new Beatles white album, Jimi Hendrix, the
Doors, Janis Joplin, Jefferson Airplane, & all
those "heavy" and "far out" bands of the 1960s,
the great Richard "Tricky Dicky" Milhous Nixon
had just been inaugurated President of the USA,
cheap Japanese AM transistor radios & monaural
phonographs in every teenager's bedroom, those
psychedelic blacklight posters with lava lamps,
$10 5-finger lids of Mexican dirt weed & "J^B"
papers, "American Flag" joint-rolling machines,
hash pipes, blotter acid, windowpane, sunshine,
barrel, haze, microdot, powder/wafer chocolate
mescaline, brand-new Shelby GT350s, Hemi-Cudas,
Challengers, Chargers, Goats, "love-ins", make
love not war & free love, "what if they gave a
war and nobody came?", "when guns are outlawed
only outlaws will have guns" ad 60s ad nauseam,
and Sambos was still "Little Black Sambos" res-
taurant, Jack-in-the-Box was new, & "Cost-Plus"
imports was all the rage, children were buying
penny baseball cards & Bazooka bubble gum, and
newfangled radioremote control model airplanes
with the new joy-stick controls, bulky stereos
were RCA-Victor cabinet units with 78-speed on
the three-position selector, 45s had the rings
inserted to fit on the "new-style" turn-tables
with its elliptical stylus to capture that big
stereo sound off those shiny-new vinyl records
called "LPs" running at 33 1/3--and I could go
on and on about the 60s, but the point is made.
How about Herb Alpert & Tijuana Brass' Whipped
Cream & Other Delights. Can you dig it? Cool...
JPL/NASA's mothballed shuttle fleet is history.
Man never could venture more than one 1/1000th
the distance to the Moon. The shuttles are nix.
Give us a spacecraft that'll successfully take
living human beings to the Moon and back. Then
and only then will JPL/NASA gain my confidence.
Meanwhile they're doing great with the robotic
missions to outer space. Keep up the good work.
Made in America,
Daniel Joseph Min
*All Apollo Moon Missions Were Unmanned:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=VTKA4X1O37500.9704861111@Gilgamesh-frog.org
*Uncensored Apollo Moon Hoax Bookmarks:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=7RL5KJIX37499.1691435185@Gilgamesh-frog.org
*Min's Interlinear Translation of the Apocalypse:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=N8G8XLYW37986.0680439815@Gilgamesh-Frog.org
*Min's Newsgroup-Archived Home Page On The World Wide Web:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=5YTK57VH37948.6355092593@Gilgamesh-frog.org
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On 17 Jan 2004, (Ken S. Tucker) wrote:
The excellence of the shuttle system.
The orbiter part of the shuttle is a great machine
and has never failed (big time). The two catastophes
are from the SRB and the HO tank, and these appear
to be because of mismanaging risk, and ignoring
problems that are bound to show up in high
performance vehicles rather than any major flaw.
The basics physics of the shuttle system is ingenius.
The 2 stage craft consists of big dumb SRB's +
the 2nd stage engines useful in the first stage, and
then followed by a high ISP smart 2nd HO stage.
(A small 3rd impulse from the orbiter internal
propellant may be called a 3rd stage).
Suppose this system was scaled down to
one third size, so only one main HO engine
was on a Mini Orbiter, (or multiple smaller
engines). And this *man-rated* vehicle
(1/1000 failure rate) is used for shuttling
mainly crew (with some supply load) to LEO.
The scaled down cargo bay area would be
replaced by a crew/cargo compartment,
with the cargo bay doors replaced by a
docking airlock. I'm thinking something the
size of a business jet or so.(for some missions,
this compartment would contain extra propellant
- possibly permitting the craft to go to geosynch
or beyond if necessary, unmanned or lightly
manned, possibly for rescue).
This craft would be able to service the Hubble
and other space based scopes.
The 2 main SRB's, might be replaced by
six or eight mini SRB's on the HO tank.
Mini-SRB's are much easier to mass produce.
Reusablity economics might permit recovery
of SRB's and then refueling with a single grain each,
eliminating the tedium of "O" rings and segments,
something that does not scale safely or cheaply.
If economical, it may be possible to make the
HO tank recoverable, that's bean counting.
It would be practical to use a similiar system to
get big dumb payloads (like the space-ships)
that will ferry personel from Earth to the Moon
into orbit, although not necessarily man-rated,
(1/50 failure rate).
In this case, using the current shuttle components,
replace the orbiter with the payload, but make
the 3 main engines detach and re-enter (protected
by a heat shield) for re-use - unless mass production
makes it cheaper to make these disposable - again
a bean counting decision - but the bean counting
may ultimately permit or kill the program, so it
must be respected = need to watch the bottom line.
This respects the failure rate profiles vs economics.
It's not easy to fly heavy dumb payloads in man-rated
vehicles as the Shuttle system was expected to do.
It's safer to rely on the SOP of Earth Orbit rendevous,
to transfer crew to Moon bound Space-ships.
This plan broadly supports the Bush Space Initative,
in accord with NASA's experential profile, in away
that is probably palatable to the taxpayer's pleasure.
Regards
Ken S. Tucker
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17 Jan 2004 11:55:19 PM |
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"Advocate" <devoted.advocate@missions.to.the.moon> wrote in message
news:IQ6KGZGQ38004.2569328704@Gilgamesh-Frog.org...
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JPL/NASA's mothballed shuttle fleet is history.
Man never could venture more than one 1/1000th
the distance to the Moon. The shuttles are nix.
Give us a spacecraft that'll successfully take
living human beings to the Moon and back. Then
and only then will JPL/NASA gain my confidence.
Meanwhile they're doing great with the robotic
missions to outer space. Keep up the good work.
Since you won't accept the truth of the previous Apollo missions,
don't bother lying about any future Moon missions, Minny Mouse.
I predict that you'll call them 'hoaxes', too.
You can't handle the math involved for acceleration, orbital ballistics,
or force vectoring, so why should anyone buy your fake 'astrological'
math, bozo?
--
Bookman
Kazoo Konspirator #668 (The Neighbor of the Beast)
We're not laughing _with_ bRay!
Turi fears my predictions, so he censored me.
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| User: "sUSAn B Anthony" |
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19 Jan 2004 08:12:24 PM |
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reMINisced:
-snip-
bulky stereos were RCA-Victor cabinet
units with 78-speed on the
three-position selector, 45s had the
rings inserted to fit on the "new-style"
turn-tables with its elliptical stylus to
capture that big stereo sound off those
shiny-new vinyl records called "LPs"
running at 33 1/3--and I could go on and
on about the 60s, but the point is made.
At a very young age at the time, I was HEAVILY into the groovy band
"Alvin and the Chipmunks".
I used to take my 45's and play them at 78 and EVERYBODY sounded like
"Alvin and the Chipmunks".
moving up a bit to the 70's..
The first time I did acid.....my friends and I also used Murine in our
eyes for the first time. Of course we had the black light on.
heh heh!
*Not* a good time to look in the mirror and discover the glowing
krypton-like streaks that streamed down your face. AHHHHHhhhhh!!!!
sUSAn
Oh, come on!!!!
I only did it once and I didn't actually *swallow* the acid!
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| User: "yipee yahoo" |
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| Title: Re: The Obsolescence of the Shuttle System |
20 Jan 2004 10:50:46 PM |
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(sUSAn B Anthony) wrote in message news:<15314-400C8E88-272@storefull-3218.bay.webtv.net>...
reMINisced:
-snip-
bulky stereos were RCA-Victor cabinet
units with 78-speed on the
three-position selector, 45s had the
rings inserted to fit on the "new-style"
turn-tables with its elliptical stylus to
capture that big stereo sound off those
shiny-new vinyl records called "LPs"
running at 33 1/3--and I could go on and
on about the 60s, but the point is made.
At a very young age at the time, I was HEAVILY into the groovy band
"Alvin and the Chipmunks".
I used to take my 45's and play them at 78 and EVERYBODY sounded like
"Alvin and the Chipmunks".
moving up a bit to the 70's..
The first time I did acid.....my friends and I also used Murine in our
eyes for the first time. Of course we had the black light on.
heh heh!
*Not* a good time to look in the mirror and discover the glowing
krypton-like streaks that streamed down your face. AHHHHHhhhhh!!!!
sUSAn
Did U have "Consider Yourself" -- one of my favorites ?!?!?
I used to play that 45 every single day on my little portable !!!!
and the "Pushbike Song"
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
those were the best frickin' days ;-)
yes siree yes indeeeeeeeeeeedy do ;-)
Uncle Wally (the one and the original Wally-nator) ;-)
====================================================================
Oh, come on!!!!
I only did it once and I didn't actually *swallow* the acid!
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| User: "Leigh_Bee" |
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| Title: Re: The Obsolescence of the Shuttle System |
19 Jan 2004 06:09:03 AM |
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Advocate <devoted.advocate@missions.to.the.moon> wrote in message news:<IQ6KGZGQ38004.2569328704@Gilgamesh-Frog.org>...
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The shuttles were certainly impressive back in
the 1980s, and JPL/NASA has plenty to be proud
of regarding 'em. But here in the 21st century,
what's left of that rusty old shuttle fleet is
like "flying garbage cans" in light of present
technologies. After all they never could "fly"
beyond low-earth orbit, not one ONE-THOUSANDTH
the distance to the Moon! And the lame excuses
like "they weren't designed to leave low-earth
orbit" are by now worn out. If man really went
to the Moon--back when "2001: A Space Odyssey"
was headlining marquees at your local theatres,
hippies and flower children were "grooving" to
the new Beatles white album, Jimi Hendrix, the
Doors, Janis Joplin, Jefferson Airplane, & all
those "heavy" and "far out" bands of the 1960s,
the great Richard "Tricky Dicky" Milhous Nixon
had just been inaugurated President of the USA,
cheap Japanese AM transistor radios & monaural
phonographs in every teenager's bedroom, those
psychedelic blacklight posters with lava lamps,
$10 5-finger lids of Mexican dirt weed & "J^B"
papers, "American Flag" joint-rolling machines,
hash pipes, blotter acid, windowpane, sunshine,
barrel, haze, microdot, powder/wafer chocolate
mescaline, brand-new Shelby GT350s, Hemi-Cudas,
Challengers, Chargers, Goats, "love-ins", make
love not war & free love, "what if they gave a
war and nobody came?", "when guns are outlawed
only outlaws will have guns" ad 60s ad nauseam,
and Sambos was still "Little Black Sambos" res-
taurant, Jack-in-the-Box was new, & "Cost-Plus"
imports was all the rage, children were buying
penny baseball cards & Bazooka bubble gum, and
newfangled radioremote control model airplanes
with the new joy-stick controls, bulky stereos
were RCA-Victor cabinet units with 78-speed on
the three-position selector, 45s had the rings
inserted to fit on the "new-style" turn-tables
with its elliptical stylus to capture that big
stereo sound off those shiny-new vinyl records
called "LPs" running at 33 1/3--and I could go
on and on about the 60s, but the point is made.
How about Herb Alpert & Tijuana Brass' Whipped
Cream & Other Delights. Can you dig it? Cool...
SNIP
Well I guess you are a hopeless; Sentimental burned out.... Hippy.
@:}
LB
Purple Haze
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| User: "Grantland" |
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19 Jan 2004 08:57:41 AM |
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(Leigh_Bee) wrote:
Advocate <devoted.advocate@missions.to.the.moon> wrote in message news:<IQ6KGZGQ38004.2569328704@Gilgamesh-Frog.org>...
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The shuttles were certainly impressive back in
the 1980s, and JPL/NASA has plenty to be proud
of regarding 'em. But here in the 21st century,
what's left of that rusty old shuttle fleet is
like "flying garbage cans" in light of present
technologies. After all they never could "fly"
beyond low-earth orbit, not one ONE-THOUSANDTH
the distance to the Moon! And the lame excuses
like "they weren't designed to leave low-earth
orbit" are by now worn out. If man really went
to the Moon--back when "2001: A Space Odyssey"
was headlining marquees at your local theatres,
hippies and flower children were "grooving" to
the new Beatles white album, Jimi Hendrix, the
Doors, Janis Joplin, Jefferson Airplane, & all
those "heavy" and "far out" bands of the 1960s,
the great Richard "Tricky Dicky" Milhous Nixon
had just been inaugurated President of the USA,
cheap Japanese AM transistor radios & monaural
phonographs in every teenager's bedroom, those
psychedelic blacklight posters with lava lamps,
$10 5-finger lids of Mexican dirt weed & "J^B"
papers, "American Flag" joint-rolling machines,
hash pipes, blotter acid, windowpane, sunshine,
barrel, haze, microdot, powder/wafer chocolate
mescaline, brand-new Shelby GT350s, Hemi-Cudas,
Challengers, Chargers, Goats, "love-ins", make
love not war & free love, "what if they gave a
war and nobody came?", "when guns are outlawed
only outlaws will have guns" ad 60s ad nauseam,
and Sambos was still "Little Black Sambos" res-
taurant, Jack-in-the-Box was new, & "Cost-Plus"
imports was all the rage, children were buying
penny baseball cards & Bazooka bubble gum, and
newfangled radioremote control model airplanes
with the new joy-stick controls, bulky stereos
were RCA-Victor cabinet units with 78-speed on
the three-position selector, 45s had the rings
inserted to fit on the "new-style" turn-tables
with its elliptical stylus to capture that big
stereo sound off those shiny-new vinyl records
called "LPs" running at 33 1/3--and I could go
on and on about the 60s, but the point is made.
How about Herb Alpert & Tijuana Brass' Whipped
Cream & Other Delights. Can you dig it? Cool...
SNIP
Well I guess you are a hopeless; Sentimental burned out.... Hippy.
@:}
LB
Purple Haze
Very cool. Far out. Major heavy man. A better Min.
Grantland
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| User: "Carl R. Osterwald" |
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| Title: Re: The Obsolescence of the Shuttle System |
19 Jan 2004 08:44:42 AM |
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In article <39cd5fe.0401190409.4e6b34d4@posting.google.com>, Leigh_Bee
<leigh8bee@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
Advocate <devoted.advocate@missions.to.the.moon> wrote in message
news:<IQ6KGZGQ38004.2569328704@Gilgamesh-Frog.org>...
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Well I guess you are a hopeless; Sentimental burned out.... Hippy.
No, Min is just a self-absorbed kook.
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Official AFA-B Bully and Gummint Disinformation Agent
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| User: "Carl R. Osterwald" |
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18 Jan 2004 09:58:31 AM |
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In article <IQ6KGZGQ38004.2569328704@Gilgamesh-Frog.org>, Advocate
<devoted.advocate@missions.to.the.moon> wrote:
The shuttles FLUSH MIN SCREED
I am really, really, really sick of putting all your stupid nicks in
the killfile, Min. Is this your entire purpose in life?
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Official AFA-B Bully and Gummint Disinformation Agent
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