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User: "Professor Min"
Date: 29 Oct 2006 09:43:41 PM
Object: Re: Velikovsky/Neocatastrophism Sources
On Sun, 29 Oct 2006, bearAssistant <bigbear@bearfabrique.org> wrote:

This is being posted to a number of groups in which there have been recent
discussions of Immanuel Velikovsky and/or one or more versions of a
Saturn-based solar system theory such as you read about on:
http://www.thunderbolts.info
http://www.kronia.com
http://grazian-archive.com/Quantavol.htm
or
http://saturniancosmology.org/intro.php:
"...Earth, Mars, and Neptune all have their axes of rotation at 24 to
25
degrees from the rotational axis of the Sun, as does the giant planet
Saturn. This should not be. We would expect all the planets in the Solar
System to have their spin axes pointing in the same up and down direction
as the Sun. And, in fact, the spin axes of the rest of the planets, and all
of the 134 satellites of all the planets, point in the same direction as
their parent planet, with only a few rare exceptions. [note 1]

"The divergent and nearly identical inclination of the spin axes of
these
four planets was one of the first clues that our Solar System is a
composite of two systems....."
The Velikovsky controversy is still going on. What Charles Ginenthal and I
have done is to make a fairly large selection of reading materials on some
of these topics available on the web in the form of downloadable ebooks, at
prices below what people used to pay for communist literature in the old
CCCP. As Rush would say, for those of you in Loma Linda, that's cheap.
The download site is:
http://bearfabrique.org/books/books.html
Offerings include a two-volume collection of writings and essays
called "Cosmology Wars", and a little book dealing with the nature of
gravity and the question of whether the larger dinosaurs could live in
present gravity.
There are two elephant-in-the-living-room type problems with the accepted
idea of gravity as a property of mass and space.
One is that there is no way to start with that and believe that gravity near
the surface of our own planet could have ever undergone any sort of a
substantial change, but it is an easy demonstration that it has.
The second involves Einsteins claim that information cannot be transmitted
faster than the speed of light, while gravity is known to propagate
instantaneously to within our abiliity to measure it. Obviously, whenever
you take five steps, you are sending some sort of a gravitational message
out into the cosmos, a great deal faster than C.
There might be a third thing which doesn't jibe with Einstein's notion of
gravity if you count Eugene Podkletnov and the USAF/Boeing GRASP project.
The most recent thing which a cursory Google search turned up on Podkletnov
indicates at least a claim of having working models of a gravity beam
device which, conceivably, could be used as a defensive weapon to knock
down katyusha rockets and the like.
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/2004/08/04/6900035EugenePodkletnov/
In other words, it's at least possible that some of these seemingly
harebrained ideas might actually have real consequences. An idea of the
extent to which the Japanese are interested in these topics and their
ramifications can be glimpsed from a few slides from a program which was
shown on prime time on a Sunday in 04:
http://www.bearfabrique.org/Catastrophism/sauropods/japanscreens/index.htm

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While I'll avoid any kind of tacit "endorsement" of,
or "agreement" with, the above article or its links,
years ago I downloaded & thoroughly read Ginenthal's
very interesting and well-researched work on the ice-
core evidences, worldwide flood evidences, etc. Back
in the '70s, I read most of Velikovsky's famous books,
though not cover-to-cover. I subsequently read some of
Sagan's better-known books, too. I found both science-
icons had PLENTY of opinions! But I favored Velikovsky,
though I found his unrealistic "bible-time-compression"
and "solar-system-in-chaos" theories merely untenable.
And although I'm certain Edgar Cayce's chronology is the
world's foremost accurate (even for ancient epochs, and
C.H. Hapgood's in [independent] regard to Cayce's three
worldwide catastrophic upheavals...three "destructions"),
the evidence, which in Mr. Holden's words "pretty much
destroys" the "uniformitarian dogma" of fundamentalist-
types, as I call them ("fundie" Atheists, Xians, etc.),
mercurial intellects will benefit from perusing these:
http://www.bearfabrique.org/Catastrophism/floods/ice.html
http://www.bearfabrique.org/Catastrophism/floods/mfloods.html
That said...
Because I am reading this in the main astrology group
on the usenet, I will humbly remind the astute reader
that Shaitan, Saturn, a.k.a. the Scythe, (who's angel
is Satan, oft-depicted as the Grim Reaper, and whose
symbol is the so-called "inverted" Pentagram, albeit
it's -also- right-side up as the he-goat & exaltation
of Mars, ergo 10/5); Saturn has since time began also
been known as the "the sun of night", and rightly so.
The sun of day, Apollo, exalts in Aries, which is the
first house of morning, or day (Aries is made & ruled
by the inferior, or masculine, synodic aspect of Mars).
Aries is the house, gate, labor, etc. of the ego-self
in the minor arcana, and God-self of the major arcana;
hence the devil-incarnate, cf. the heavenly God-Devil.
Whereas at zodiacal opposition, in the balance, Kronos
exalts in the first house of evening, or night (Libra,
which is made & ruled by the superior, feminine aspect
of Venus). Libra is the house, gate, labor, etc. of the
other-self in the minor arcana, and Justice in the Major
Arcana; justice-incarnate, cf. the heavenly God-Justice.
Beyond that, astrologically-speaking, rest assured, all
sidereal (diatonic) orbits are made with respect to the
Sun, Helios, as observed and predicted against the 1000
& 2 distant suns Ouranos, Earth's caelestial firmament:
divided by the greater-light Day and lesser-light Night.
Whereas all synodic (chromatic) planetary orbits are made
with respect to the Earth, Gaea, and similarly measured:
but adjudicated from their positions to the Earth in her
meridian houses; i.e., to deduce their divine influence
upon the Earth, wholly, as with daily horoscopes, and for
longer term progressions & augurs, and for more particular
regions and places peculiar, events of birth, life & death.
In Vigilance,
Daniel Joseph Min
http://www.2hot2cool.com/11/danieljosephmin/
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User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Velikovsky/Neocatastrophism Sources 30 Oct 2006 12:30:19 PM
On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 03:43:41 +0000, Professor Min wrote:

Because I am reading this in the main astrology group
on the usenet,

How 'bout you post there and stop crapping on alt.atheism then?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"...otherwise, we're looking at the potential
of this kind of world:.... a world in which
oil reserves are controlled by radicals in order
to extract blackmail from the West..." [George Bush]
Wait... oil reserves?
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Title: Re: Velikovsky/Neocatastrophism Sources -- wtf ?!?!?!? 29 Oct 2006 09:56:53 PM
WTF ?!?!??!
HOOROO
UNCLE WALLY
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